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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:14:00 -
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I've been keeping track of Dust since Closed Beta, After sticking through the lack of balance, and addition of bugs You'd think it would get better, but with the state of PC this is a sinking ship...
A minority of gamers like myself, enjoy playing to earn what they have And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps I declined as I know that would ruin the enjoyment of gameplay for me
This is not the case for a lot of players, who have made themselves Unbelievably rich using exploits to get ahead
I have no issue with guys being richer than most, but to what extent? It's no secret how much is some of these players have... so what about their corps??
Billions would be an accurate number at this stage..... Enough that they will never be matched by the honest corps Never mind the newer players who will never have a chance to compete
As a playerbase are you happy CCP have let this continue?? From the perspective of a guy who has tried to encourage new players This has killed all chances of this game reaching it's potential 10% of the players would be close to holding 90% of in-game wealth
As time goes by these players will make the game un-playable I've no issue having my ass kicked by richer/skilled gamers But when these guys exploited/cheated to get the advantage Takes away all fun from playing this game....
And don't be fooled by CCP if they fix the ability to exploit PC As it is already too late because the damage has been done
Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly
Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2131
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:19:00 -
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This game will last as long as there are people who want to protostomp and so long as there are those who protostomp, or district lock or tank spam or whatever there will be people here who will seek to take that ability away with the meta game
Just make sure you are on the right side.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
878
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:22:00 -
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That's what I'm saying, all the guys not on that side will soon be sick of this game And do you think the Protostompers will have fun consistently fighting each other??
There isn't that many active Dust mercs, so CCP efforts to hand taco's to some While disregarding the others will lead to an even smaller playerbase....
Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly
Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2132
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:27:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:That's what I'm saying, all the guys not on that side will soon be sick of this game And do you think the Protostompers will have fun consistently fighting each other??
There isn't that many active Dust mercs, so CCP efforts to hand taco's to some While disregarding the others will lead to an even smaller playerbase....
From what I here they are redoing PC, so that we will have to wait and see on that front, as for players, the way I would deal with it. Give us the same rate of income as EvE make our proto cost the same as their capitals, then bump up those with less money via a conversion rate, while those over a certain threshold get no bonuses.
Effectively give to the poor and take from the rich, without actually taking from the rich.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
878
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:47:00 -
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Again I pointed out the issue with that already.... Even when CCP fix PC the damage has been done How long have guys made serious amounts of ISK via exploits???
Fixing PC still leaves these guys with heavy wallets That were filled while exploiting the mechanics of the game And caused more delay in game production
Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly
Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
632
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:00:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I've been keeping track of Dust since Closed Beta, After sticking through the lack of balance, and addition of bugs You'd think it would get better, but with the state of PC this is a sinking ship... A minority of gamers like myself, enjoy playing to earn what they have And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps I declined as I know that would ruin the enjoyment of gameplay for me This is not the case for a lot of players, who have made themselves Unbelievably rich using exploits to get ahead I have no issue with guys being richer than most, but to what extent? It's no secret how much is some of these players have... so what about their corps?? Billions would be an accurate number at this stage..... Enough that they will never be matched by the honest corps Never mind the newer players who will never have a chance to compete As a playerbase are you happy CCP have let this continue?? From the perspective of a guy who has tried to encourage new players This has killed all chances of this game reaching it's potential 10% of the players would be close to holding 90% of in-game wealth As time goes by these players will make the game un-playable I've no issue having my ass kicked by richer/skilled gamers But when these guys exploited/cheated to get the advantage Takes away all fun from playing this game.... And don't be fooled by CCP if they fix the ability to exploit PC As it is already too late because the damage has been done
Unfortunately CCP's stance to boosters and exploiters is well lets say harmless.
CCP will not punish them they prefer to punish the community by things like a limit of WP per time that can be earnes by removal of WP for vehicles repairs and so on. And instead of stopping this PCQ nonsense they talk about how terrible BPO's break the economy.
Sometimes it seems CCP want us to exploit the game with very possible way. The sad part is the honest players are left alone as well as new players and IMHO its just a matter of time till the exploiters get bored...
And lets be honest in PCQ not ISK is farmed WP and SP is farmed as well...All in All Dust is in a sad state currently those who exploit get rewarded those who don't get punished it is a shame and CCP should feel ashamed to let this happens for so long. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
878
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:08:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:
Unfortunately CCP's stance to boosters and exploiters is well lets say harmless.
CCP will not punish them they prefer to punish the community by things like a limit of WP per time that can be earnes by removal of WP for vehicles repairs and so on. And instead of stopping this PCQ nonsense they talk about how terrible BPO's break the economy.
Sometimes it seems CCP want us to exploit the game with very possible way. The sad part is the honest players are left alone as well as new players and IMHO its just a matter of time till the exploiters get bored...
And lets be honest in PCQ not ISK is farmed WP and SP is farmed as well...All in All Dust is in a sad state currently those who exploit get rewarded those who don't get punished it is a shame and CCP should feel ashamed to let this happens for so long.
Good to know I'm not the only one pointing this out, every point you make is spot on.... And LOL CCP...BPO's break the economy ??? uh-huh, so what does handing 10% of the playerbase unlimited ISK achieve other than smashing your already broken economy to pieces ???
Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly
Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
264
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:20:00 -
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17 years. No more, no less.
Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
451
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:22:00 -
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In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny.
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
887
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:03:00 -
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da GAND wrote:In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny.
Regardless of what CCP add that does not change the fact that too many players have exploited So no matter what they add (I'm sure it will be good) it is pointless to try compete with cheaters
There needs to be a full ISK reset for corps who farmed their advantage Maybe more severe reprimand for those who also farmed SP and padded their K/D Without this, the only guys left will be the 8-13 year olds who want a free game And the guys who have exploited the game for their set of crutches
CCP are on to something great with Dust514 but do they think other companies can't see that? By the end of this year, more games will be released with the same immersion as Dust And most likely by developers who will take action against exploiters no matter how much Cash they throw at the game, unlike CCP who farm $ before offering a balanced game The lore in New Eden is pretty awesome, but that will be the only unique feature SOONtm
Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly
Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
452
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:05:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:da GAND wrote:In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. Regardless of what CCP add that does not change the fact that too many players have exploited So no matter what they add (I'm sure it will be good) it is pointless to try compete with cheaters There needs to be a full ISK reset for corps who farmed their advantage Maybe more severe reprimand for those who also farmed SP and padded their K/D Without this, the only guys left will be the 8-13 year olds who want a free game And the guys who have exploited the game for their set of crutches CCP are on to something great with Dust514 but do they think other companies can't see that? By the end of this year, more games will be released with the same immersion as Dust And most likely by developers who will take action against exploiters no matter how much Cash they throw at the game, unlike CCP who farm $ before offering a balanced game
This year will be an interesting one for Dust 514
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
748
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:32:00 -
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This game will last as long as the die hard fanbois keeping spending real money on the game and as long as CCP continues to make a profit on the game. Even if they are not making a profit by now, I am sure they have an idea of when they would like to turn one. If they do not reach that profitability goal by their set deadline, then I can see them shutting it down. Most of us gamers, seem to forget that it is all about the cash. Developers are not here to make you happy. They are here to make bank. Period. |
da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
453
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:44:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:This game will last as long as the die hard fanbois keeping spending real money on the game and as long as CCP continues to make a profit on the game. Even if they are not making a profit by now, I am sure they have an idea of when they would like to turn one. If they do not reach that profitability goal by their set deadline, then I can see them shutting it down. Most of us gamers, seem to forget that it is all about the cash. Developers are not here to make you happy. They are here to make bank. Period.
True, I guess that knowing if they don't succeed soon ( this month, fanfest and next updates not soon tm) then they won't be making any money much longer. Which will push them to actually make this game onto what is long overdue an MMO-FPS.
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
140
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:03:00 -
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This game will last as long as the bunnys allow it except realy
With the whole pc thing I would say take take there money down to an average amount of isk but then people would start rage quiting and breaking there ps3 in two,and we dont want that.But on the other hand If we did this after we got most core gameplay downpat and advertise it hope that the Judges give us at least 5 stars and our playerbase should rise higher than it is now.
Caldari Loyalist
I speak for the rabbits
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
4743
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:06:00 -
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You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you?
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
140
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:08:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you? -_- okay......
Caldari Loyalist
I speak for the rabbits
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
2019
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:10:00 -
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why does it matter how much money anyone has?
I can't think of a single mmo ever created that doesn't maintain a population with haves and have nots.
no game where the older players have serious overwhelming advantages over new players, they may not be pitted against each other on regular basis, but if you ever attempt to pvp in those games you'll find out about that advantage first hand pretty quickly.
my suggestion....just play the game and stop concerning yourself with other players. I been running pubs for two weeks now in a 15k miltia heavy suit, and been turning over tons of isk and getting pretty decent kill scores. isk means **** you don't need alot of it currently. |
CRYPT3C W0LF
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
401
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:14:00 -
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Hey, Its just like real life
COOKIE MASTER RACE ^__^
Slayer Scout, I feast on you're proto remains (Nom Nom Nom)
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1870
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:19:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you?
Jerrmy and Atiim have him beat by a loooooong way.
But it looks like he's making a serious effort.
Forge on for great justice!
Defend the meek! Destroy the weak!
Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
140
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:24:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:why does it matter how much money anyone has?
I can't think of a single mmo ever created that doesn't maintain a population with haves and have nots.
no game where the older players have serious overwhelming advantages over new players, they may not be pitted against each other on regular basis, but if you ever attempt to pvp in those games you'll find out about that advantage first hand pretty quickly.
my suggestion....just play the game and stop concerning yourself with other players. I been running pubs for two weeks now in a 15k miltia heavy suit, and been turning over tons of isk and getting pretty decent kill scores. isk means **** you don't need alot of it currently. The Overwelming amount of isk allows them to prostomp giving new players no chance and leaving the game within a week if there a regular COD player like most newbs are
The enemy of intelligence is not ignorance but the illusion of intelligence Steven Hawkings
Caldari Loyalist
I speak for the rabbits
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
2293
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:37:00 -
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Nobody has infinite isk, not even CCP employees.
Introduce player market, officer weapon trading, and other ways for exceedingly wealthy mercs to trade with not wealthy mercs for goods and services and you can have these massive stockpiles of cash disseminate into the general community. More isk in the community will usually get burned rather fast.
for example... Add boring mining pve missions where you are rewarded with minerals used the production of proto gear. Now imagine you have to spam those missions like 20-30 times per week in order to stay all proto. People like me with 500 million isk would likely buy a lot of minerals from the people who enjoy running those missions and don't plan on using proto.
And that was just something off the top of my head.
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
479
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:42:00 -
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The game isn't going anywhere. CCP will use EVE revenue to keep building the game up until it's absolutely not financially feasible to do so. However, I dare say CCP is doing just fine off of DUST 514. I also dare say the old saying that 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers rings true here. Just about every random I have squaded with uses boosters.
Some people won't be able to handle the work in progress nature of the game and will leave because they want it finished NOW which is unfortunate because that goes completely against the premise laid down by CCP on May 14th when they launched the game when they said that it was just the beginning of development. More people will take their place as word of mouth spreads the new advances of the game by those who stuck it out and stayed in the game.
It's been a rough 6 months internally at CCP with clearly a lot of staff changes, in particular an EP who wasn't able to deliver. People who can manage their expectations should probably wait till FF to start standing on the street corner wailing "the end is nigh!"
PC sucks for sure and CCP's lack of response has screwed over the economy but I don't really feel too much of the blow back other than the odd pub or FW match where I come across a proto squad. For the most part I'm still enjoying my time in game despite the bugs. I think I'm A LOT more laid back than most people here; I'm a visionary type myself, more interested in the big picture/end result than the necessity for everything to be perfect right now because I know that making anything massive and worthwhile isn't going to be done over night...just like Rome.
I'm going to wait till Fanfest, see if the communication improves, see what Rogue has to say and see what the evolution entails. Till then I'm going to enjoy playing with my friends, being a Matari and levelling up my precioussssss COVERT SUBTERFUGE pride n joy into a scout badass. I can understand other people's frustrations, I just don't sweat the small stuff over obstacles that lay before the grand design...
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Roll with the punches instead of QQing
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
314
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:57:00 -
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they cant make suits more expensive. if they bring in the player market and everyone is earning silly ammounts of isk. what do you think it will do to eve's plex market. or the market as a whole. (this is why we dont have a market they cant figure it out.
ive said it before and ill say it again. what NEEDS to happen is there is a place for the proto's to go play with there toys.
new players need pve. as a place to earn isk to be able to buy that nice stuff and as a place to learn.
why dont we even have a trade window yet =(
my name is boba and im a hoarder.
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
699
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:59:00 -
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What would be nice to know is what team internally within the Shanghai studio will work on fixing PC considering team true grit has been "redeployed" on the EVE side. |
Atiim
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:01:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you? He better not.
I just earned that trophy FFS. Can't I enjoy it for a while?
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
[s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
453
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:33:00 -
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote:The game isn't going anywhere. CCP will use EVE revenue to keep building the game up until it's absolutely not financially feasible to do so. However, I dare say CCP is doing just fine off of DUST 514. I also dare say the old saying that 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers rings true here. Just about every random I have squaded with uses boosters. Some people won't be able to handle the work in progress nature of the game and will leave because they want it finished NOW which is unfortunate because that goes completely against the premise laid down by CCP on May 14th when they launched the game when they said that it was just the beginning of development. More people will take their place as word of mouth spreads the new advances of the game by those who stuck it out and stayed in the game. It's been a rough 6 months internally at CCP with clearly a lot of staff changes, in particular an EP who wasn't able to deliver. People who can manage their expectations should probably wait till FF to start standing on the street corner wailing "the end is nigh!" PC sucks for sure and CCP's lack of response has screwed over the economy but I don't really feel too much of the blow back other than the odd pub or FW match where I come across a proto squad. For the most part I'm still enjoying my time in game despite the bugs. I think I'm A LOT more laid back than most people here; I'm a visionary type myself, more interested in the big picture/end result than the necessity for everything to be perfect right now because I know that making anything massive and worthwhile isn't going to be done over night...just like Rome. I'm going to wait till Fanfest, see if the communication improves, see what Rogue has to say and see what the evolution entails. Till then I'm going to enjoy playing with my friends, being a Matari and levelling up my precioussssss COVERT SUBTERFUGE pride n joy into a scout badass. I can understand other people's frustrations, I just don't sweat the small stuff over obstacles that lay before the grand design...
Also waiting till fanfest to know if this game is going to die this year or not. I don't find much enjoyment in this game anymore but ya have fun dude.
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
1408
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:34:00 -
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73 minutes. fact.
Who wants some?
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shadow drake35
Mocking Bird Inc.
68
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:40:00 -
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da GAND wrote:In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. When Planetside 2 comes out dust will die for good fact destiny will kill it as well
The Mercenary Way
Who careswhat i use as long as the job is done and i get paid.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
2021
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:45:00 -
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please quantify the difference between a player with 200 million isk and 200 billion isk, both player can run as much proto as they want non-stop. imo at this point you can effectively say that anything over 200 million isk is effectively no different except you can drive AD's into the side of enemy mcc's for a laugh.
so let's use 200 million as the mark, how long does it take to hit 200 million isk? at 200k isk per game you'd be looking at 1000 games in free suits, you could hit it much faster with a player market.
anyway, since I don't have a large sample for this next part I will use myself as the example, when I run full proto all month, never switch to free suits, and never ever stop pushing until the game is over, I lose about 8-10 mil a month, I suspect others can do better.
so how long does it take to get 8-10 mil? 50 games, that seems much more reasonable, I can actually make that much in 1-2 days.
so what's the point? on average if you are experienced you can run 28 days of proto-stomping for just 2 days of grinding of isk, in other words even if players didn't have a ton of isk they would still be proto stomping because it's not very hard at all to do it, thus why it's been going on for ever, even before uprising, before the pc abuse, players have always been proto-stomping, if you took everyones isk away tonight in 2 days they'd be proto-stomping you again..
the only difference between now and a year ago is that now players have a new thing to point their finger at and blame it for why they are getting their asses kicked in pubs. |
ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
2378
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Posted - 2014.03.03 15:54:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps
This is an incorrect statement to the general public. You will never hold land in any PC(Gamemode)...ever. 6 months down the line when PC is fun and functional, you can be the one to explain to your members why they can't play Dust 514's EndGame.
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I Slay, for thy Empress
Do you even PC... Brah
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