Just dropped a rail tank with a neutron blaster. Text book, kept something between us, lost his hardener and rushed him. Pop.

OP it is not. If they hide in the Red Line (which is their decision) I bring out the PC +damage and get them sooner or later. 9 out of 10 times they get popped. Just planning, although having a high sniper doing over watch is very helpful.

Most if not all of the QQ Kittens on these forums are just rage kitties that cannot think for themselves. Constant whining and wanting to have a Push To Win button that only works For Them! Then when someone else kills them three times in one match they never shut up about again. If that is a rail gun tank or a proto sniper it really doesn't matter.

It doesn't help that Cannot Comprehend Programming only balances by swinging abilities to the extremes.

No this time its not a troll, this is my response to "Judge Rhadamanthus" and his call for nerfs on the rail tank which I believe he has unfairly focused on, when the real issues are the Red Line and Map Design , here I suggest another alternative that would solve the red line and map design issues he is facing .... and we can leave that nerf hammer alone, I really HATE NERFS and I believe nerfing breaks the mechanics of the game further .

My Rebuttal

DUST 514 : Tanks are NOT OP

The redline is the only thing helping a new player survive against a 30mil SP vet with 5 different proto suits and enough ISK to run them all day.
You may not notice, but new players aren't falling all over themselves to come here. Even with Sony putting the DUST demo in with the PS3.
There are so many things that need to be fixed before any discussion to remove the redline could begin in earnest. These things will not be though. Someone thinks they can (foolishly) copy EVE, which is a computer game that had no competition at launch 10 years ago. Now that there are better games on the horizon, the only players sticking up for EVE are the ones way up on top of the pile.
Which is exactly what's going on with DUST. The only problem is this is a console game, and console gamers don't have to wait 10 years for a game to get better, because by then they will have a drivers license, figure out what girls are, and stop gaming until they're 40.

I have not read your rebuttal yet I will, and I also hate nerfs, but the judges video is solid, and maps shouldnt need changing to make a vehicle less powerful, Im not saying you couldnt fix the problem by changing map contour near the redline as I have advocated for this for other reasons, but rails are broken beyond the redline I think..... Most dropship pilots would agree I think, we dont need a hard nerf though because they do keep dropships in check which I like but they need some help against 1 shot or 2 shots from rails and that exists in and out of the redline....

this while it is a good idea causes another problem.

right now the redline rails arnt truly invulnerable and can still be damaged and while they oftin duck behind cover they can technically still be damaged even though its not really all that likely.

with the introduction of true invulnerability you will see people start to take advantage and poke their heads out shoot then return to the bubble before any possable return fire and have TRUE invulnerability rather then the psudo invulnerability they have now.

meaning redline rails will simply be stuck inside small bubbles and will come out for just enough time to take pot shots then return to their invulnerable palace where absolutly nothing you can do outside of a tank blockade around the bubble will stop them.

so while it is an interesting idea i dont think that replacing psudo-invulnerability with ACTUAL invulnerability is a good idea as it opens up the situation for even more blantant and dangerous abuses then we currently have to deal with. especially concidering it alows a rail tank to remain completly invulnerable from dropships while still giving the railtank every advantage in the fight it currently has.

your solution doesnt actually solve the problem it intends to solve and instead keeps the problem the exact same while potentially creating new problems along the way.

depending on how its done it could also prevent you from being able to orbital redline rails, removing one of our only real ways to get rid of redline rail infestations.

TL:DR the cure is worse then the disease

Its a difficult topic, when it comes to rails v anything, the redline is indeed the problem, but I don't think takes away from the disproportionate amount of effort required to kill a tank, with or without a redline.

Removing or fixing the redline is the first step, but we need to consider more over the ramifications of stacked or cycled hardners.
As I said in a post before .7 dropped the hardners stack to easily to give MASSIVE EHP, with very few drawbacks.

Until we look at hardners tanks will not be balanced by infantry.

No this time its not a troll, this is my response to "Judge Rhadamanthus" and his call for nerfs on the rail tank which I believe he has unfairly focused on, when the real issues are the Red Line and Map Design , here I suggest another alternative that would solve the red line and map design issues he is facing .... and we can leave that nerf hammer alone, I really HATE NERFS and I believe nerfing breaks the mechanics of the game further .

My Rebuttal

DUST 514 : Tanks are NOT OP

No this time its not a troll, this is my response to "Judge Rhadamanthus" and his call for nerfs on the rail tank which I believe he has unfairly focused on, when the real issues are the Red Line and Map Design , here I suggest another alternative that would solve the red line and map design issues he is facing .... and we can leave that nerf hammer alone, I really HATE NERFS and I believe nerfing breaks the mechanics of the game further .

My Rebuttal

DUST 514 : Tanks are NOT OP

Cycled hardeners shouldn't be nerfed. You have to really work your butt off to earn enough SP to be able to cycle hardeners with no delay, and that effort should be rewarded.

Stacked hardeners however I can agree that they are op. I only just recently learned that you can actually get even more damage resistance by activating two or three hardeners at once. Im not a noob, it's just that in my folly I honestly didn't believe that ccp would be stupid enough to let hardener bonuses to be able to stack. That decision was pretty insane honestly.

Yeah, but by stacking the timers, you effectively make yourself far more vulnerable at the end of said cycles. Where using one and then the other prolongs your active time, and mitigaties any down time. Problem with one hardener (and understand you are talkling gunnlogi here, not madrudger.) is that it just won't give enough to make a push on anything fortified.

Gunnlogis already have very low HP compared to a madrudger, and one hardener often doesn't cut it. What will happen, the madrudger will once again, become king of the tanks.

ANY CHANGES YOU DO TO HARDENERS, WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT GUNNLOGIS, AND HARDLY TOUCH MADRUDGERS. You can't go about generalizing tanks like this!

I agree this idea does have its faults and its not the instant cure that we all want, it is just an idea, but I think you have missed the point of what I was trying to express in this video.... I loath nerfs and I don't want the rail tank to be nerfed im trying to provide a different solution to nerfing and this idea is one such solution. There are many others and im sure a combination of these ideas will see the change in tactics which has a knock on effect to the loadout of the tank and therefore lowers the DPS, no need for nerfs.... wipe out the source of the disease and there wont be a need for a cure

Fair statement, I also agree that really cycled hardners are more of a problem than stacked, it removes the waves of opportunity philosophy that CCP were going for.
Shield tanks can easily assault fortified positions the much higher resistance per mod allows them to push much faster than the armour counterparts.
Remember as a tank you goal is not charge slaughter everything, loose hardners keep killing.

You are designed to punch a hole through enemy positions, as soon as you do that you retreat to alow MTV, MTACs and Infantry to come streaming and fight insode the fortified position, where its an even fight.

No this time its not a troll, this is my response to "Judge Rhadamanthus" and his call for nerfs on the rail tank which I believe he has unfairly focused on, when the real issues are the Red Line and Map Design , here I suggest another alternative that would solve the red line and map design issues he is facing .... and we can leave that nerf hammer alone, I really HATE NERFS and I believe nerfing breaks the mechanics of the game further .

My Rebuttal

DUST 514 : Tanks are NOT OP

I agree this idea does have its faults and its not the instant cure that we all want, it is just an idea, but I think you have missed the point of what I was trying to express in this video.... I loath nerfs and I don't want the rail tank to be nerfed im trying to provide a different solution to nerfing and this idea is one such solution. There are many others and im sure a combination of these ideas will see the change in tactics which has a knock on effect to the loadout of the tank and therefore lowers the DPS, no need for nerfs.... wipe out the source of the disease and there wont be a need for a cure

The rail turret is OP. It has an ungodly RoF now that has caused every non-tanker and his mother to call one out as an easy counter to any tank that comes on the field. My skill investment in twnks doesn't matter, my missiles have no real use. Just pull out a mil rail and fit. Sick of it.

The redline is the only thing helping a new player survive against a 30mil SP vet with 5 different proto suits and enough ISK to run them all day.
You may not notice, but new players aren't falling all over themselves to come here. Even with Sony putting the DUST demo in with the PS3.
There are so many things that need to be fixed before any discussion to remove the redline could begin in earnest. These things will not be though. Someone thinks they can (foolishly) copy EVE, which is a computer game that had no competition at launch 10 years ago. Now that there are better games on the horizon, the only players sticking up for EVE are the ones way up on top of the pile.
Which is exactly what's going on with DUST. The only problem is this is a console game, and console gamers don't have to wait 10 years for a game to get better, because by then they will have a drivers license, figure out what girls are, and stop gaming until they're 40.

Move back both spawns about 1000m

Job done

Tanks are Op and undervalued. When a tank can outrun an Lav, that's Op. Slow the freaking things down and that would fix a lot of problems, raise the value and that would fix many more problems. Yeah it's fair to spec into tanks and be a tanker and get a group and run a tank squad, although a craptacular tactic, it's legit.

However, when a op tank costs less than a leveled logi setup, it's pretty clear that it's not balanced.

Or 600m, the rails range

Cant really agree here because your creating to much of a pitched battle scenario, tanks to have the freedom to play as they see fit.... Even if it means sitting on top of the spire at Alpha on Line Harvest Skirm raining rail shells down on my head at tabletop..... If we nerf the gun, or change the map I could accept that though I hate nerfs, but I hate things being implemented to tell the tanker he cant ohk with his rail gun while doing a solo 'yolo', " <---- nerf this word", 360 noscope spin with his turret off that damn spire even more, its like telling heavies they cant use rifles, or you cant forge people only vehicles, or scouts should only shotgun and scan and hack, or massdrivers are for noobs, logis aint supposed to kill, etc etc etc.... Same road cant go down it.

So what are a of you going to do when a HAV gets five logi to constantly rep them? That is about 500 HP per second, is that op? People don't try to destroy them and the few that do usually do it. The people trying to say the HAV is over powered want to solo a HAV but it doesn't and shouldn't be. They are fine, try harder.

No this time its not a troll, this is my response to "Judge Rhadamanthus" and his call for nerfs on the rail tank which I believe he has unfairly focused on, when the real issues are the Red Line and Map Design , here I suggest another alternative that would solve the red line and map design issues he is facing .... and we can leave that nerf hammer alone, I really HATE NERFS and I believe nerfing breaks the mechanics of the game further .

My Rebuttal

DUST 514 : Tanks are NOT OP

This is pure opinion, just a "nu-uh!". It doesn't present new facts, it doesn't analyze and dismantle previous arguments, and it doesn't present any new reasoning of its own. It's opinion with no backup.

This is supposed to be a refutation of Judge's presentation?

It would be nice to see the redline go; so I can freely fly off into the distance in my derpship and go explore those massive Loldari and Faillente cities we often see in the far distance!

I have not read your rebuttal yet I will, and I also hate nerfs, but the judges video is solid, and maps shouldnt need changing to make a vehicle less powerful, Im not saying you couldnt fix the problem by changing map contour near the redline as I have advocated for this for other reasons, but rails are broken beyond the redline I think..... Most dropship pilots would agree I think, we dont need a hard nerf though because they do keep dropships in check which I like but they need some help against 1 shot or 2 shots from rails and that exists in and out of the redline....

The most powerful railgun in the world is a 33 MJ device that spits out projectiles at 20 km/s. The 80 GJ railgun is thusly 2400 times more powerful than that, and I still have to lead shots to hit a ******* dropship only 300 metres away.

No, I will not stop reminding people of the fact that it hits like nineteen tonnes of TNT. No, I don't think it should be anything other than a hitscan gun that does tremendous damage. Find another way to balance it.

The rail turret is OP. It has an ungodly RoF now that has caused every non-tanker and his mother to call one out as an easy counter to any tank that comes on the field. My skill investment in tanks doesn't matter, my missiles have no real use. Just pull out a mil rail and fit. Sick of it.

Its called balance, scrub

Indeed, and the non-idiotic way to achieve that is by making it a hitscan weapon that does tremendous damage and has some other drawback, like a low rate of fire, or a long spool-up.

EDIT: Or stop pretending it's a railgun.

The most powerful railgun in the world is a 33 MJ device that spits out projectiles at 20 km/s. The 80 GJ railgun is thusly 2400 times more powerful than that, and I still have to lead shots to hit a ******* dropship only 300 metres away.

No, I will not stop reminding people of the fact that it hits like nineteen tonnes of TNT. No, I don't think it should be anything other than a hitscan gun that does tremendous damage. Find another way to balance it.

You think a modern-day rail comparison looks bad? None of the weapons are sensible in a real-life context.

M-16 (made in 1962): effective range > 500m
Gallente AR: 250m (absolute, it will do 0 damage past that)

Uzi (made in 1954): effective range - 200m
SMG: 125m (absolute)

M40 (1966 U.S. sniper rifle): effective range > 1200m
Sniper Rifle: 600m (absolute)

So, all the super sci-fi weapons have max possible ranges frequently that are less than HALF of the "effective" range of equivalents made five decades ago.

All the in-game ranges are totally made up and tweaked for game reasons, there is no realism attached to it.

i see more std tanks in the redzone than anything else. even glass cannon sicas are braver than std tanks.

ive found it to be a large waste of ammo to try and shoot down a moving dropship. and since it can stay on the tank and fire upon it for an eternity till the tank dies. the only chance the tank has at survival is to drive under low open buildings or run to a position that can give the tank a chance to fire back.

i would like to remove the hardener cycling by idea is to make activating one hardener of the same type activate all others at the same time. so in short a tank with 3 armor hardeners wont be able to cycle them as activating one armor hardener will activate the other 2. they could also be given a penalty of slowing the vehicle down when activated. yesterday during a dom in a one sided match. there was this one gunlogi. most likely 2 rail damage mods and a shield hardener no armor reps over in the redzone area. a pulled up on a high hill top with my armor rail and single damage mod. was a pretty long range range im thinking around 400-500 meters. we were both position so far apart that we just both just out of range of each other yet can still see. me having a decently high ground advantage with the gunlogi using the hill line on his side as cover.

with the single rail damage mod active it took over 4 rounds to nearly take down the shields of the tank with the single shield hardener active. it survived for the simple fact that it was at the end of the rail guns range and that hill. if i could have gotten in closer i would have but for the simple fact of the other sicas roaming about in the objective i would have trouble getting across. so if shield hardeners are brought down to 40% they could become better for the over all high alpha damage with the loss in a little tank ability least it wont take 4 rounds just to barely hit through the hardener. thats just my thoughts.

ive found it largely easier to shoot down a dropship thats not moving. but when it starts moving it becomes a large waste of ammo. due to the fact that the rail guns projectile seems to have a crappy travel time or lagg of some sort. ull more than likely have more success hitting a slow moving heavy or rail rifle user. which tend to stay still while shooting.

plus the bugs where the gun shows the firing animation and over heat increase yet the ammo count isnt registering shots being fired so im not getting hits. its been happening to me on a lot of guns and turrets.
asides from that. its the std tanks i see more than mlt. i can handle mlt tank and such no problem. id consider it free wp. although when im going up against a std tank or something higher tierd than me in general i have to take major precautions or i risk not getting the kill. im not a hardener user as i tend to go for passive stuff like armor plating and such dont like active tanking just not a fan of all the modules. so my tanks are generally weaker than most others. the shield hardener seems to give shields a major advantage of armor though. that extra 20% resistance is massive when concerning a brawl.i kinda see shield tanks as more of the hit and run type tanks.

Oh great, now I have four more things to ***** about.

Indeed, and the non-idiotic way to achieve that is by making it a hitscan weapon that does tremendous damage and has some other drawback, like a low rate of fire, or a long spool-up.

EDIT: Or stop pretending it's a railgun.

Its a difficult topic, when it comes to rails v anything, the redline is indeed the problem, but I don't think takes away from the disproportionate amount of effort required to kill a tank, with or without a redline.

Removing or fixing the redline is the first step, but we need to consider more over the ramifications of stacked or cycled hardners.
As I said in a post before .7 dropped the hardners stack to easily to give MASSIVE EHP, with very few drawbacks.

Until we look at hardners tanks will not be balanced by infantry.

No this time its not a troll, this is my response to "Judge Rhadamanthus" and his call for nerfs on the rail tank which I believe he has unfairly focused on, when the real issues are the Red Line and Map Design , here I suggest another alternative that would solve the red line and map design issues he is facing .... and we can leave that nerf hammer alone, I really HATE NERFS and I believe nerfing breaks the mechanics of the game further .

My Rebuttal

DUST 514 : Tanks are NOT OP

The real issue is the blaster turret, remove that and tanks would be balanced.

Hmmmm quite a few interesting comments, I think I'll stick my oar in as well.

Overall I agree with Bamm's comments made in his video, which I believe is more of an outline for a fix to some of the current problems we face in Dust rather than a set in stone approach such as the proposed Rail tank nerf or infantry deployment being moved way back.

I will not suggest that there is not an issue with the balance between Infantry and vehicles but stat wise things are pretty good right now. The current Tankbush and Tankspam pales in comparison to the Missile tank crisis back in Closed Beta but we can't look to the same methods used to fix that incident to fix this one or we will see Tanks set back to 1.6 levels and we will get nowhere.

As much as I dislike Tanks without them I would lead a somewhat lacklustre time in Dust and they do provide a much needed service on the battlefield. Got a Protobear team tearing up your Militia gear team call in a Soma it might not last long but it'll give you some breathing room or maybe Duna corp is on the rampage with 4 Madrugars, get those Sica's inbound. Everyone can use them and they provide New or Skill impaired players a viable option to engage with players who are way ahead of them.

Now most people just say get your AV gear out but I do not see it that way, at least not anymore. Yes we have militia Forge guns and Swarms however without a lot of SP invested they will always require a team of mercs equipped to down even a half decent Tank. And this is where you will find the true AV specialists cutting their teeth, since they will have to use harsh tactics and quick decision making to achieve a result thus giving them the rewarding experience of their first Solo Tank kill.

However some folks are not cut out for AV, the lack of mobility, the vulnerability, low KDR, minimal ISK, low WP. And for these players I see a real use for the Railgun tank, it is a vehicle destroyer and occasional uber heavy sniper for bursting rooftop Forgers!!! Also in the hands of a skilled user it is pretty much the only hard 1 for 1 counter to a Proto Baster Maddy so before we go all Nerfhammer on it's ass let's look at some of the possible outcomes of a Railgun tank nerf.

Even some so called light nerf options like reducing it's elevation could really hurt it's ability to engage ground targets while driving over rough terrain or down a slope. My opinion is if you reduce it's turret angles it will drive them further into the redline so they can pick and choose their shots or cause a proliferation of another fit.

This is the sort of knock on effect nerfing has in my experience, just look at the tower forging phase we recently went through. Why did all the heavies suddenly take the Forge gun up too the roof? Well actually most of the old hands had been at it for a while but it was the FOTM players who caused the raging by cottoning on to what we were doing since the HMG had been nerfed into the stone age after Codex hit. So we saw tower forging because the HMG was nerfed and Heavies had to look for a way to stay competitive.

Still don't believe me, Suicide Lav's have always been about but only recently became highly popular due to the Swarm nerf and the nice addition of sticky RE's. So players with and without high skills in swarms looked for a quick and easy way to stem the proliferation of Tanks.

If Tanks are forced into the fight they can be destroyed by any weapon capable of a high enough damage output. Right now I have beef with all vehicles abusing the redline by running back and waiting for their modules to recharge be it LAV, DS or HAV I see all pilots do it. If a Redline Rail tank where to set up at the back of a map where a system similar to the one Bamm suggests it could be countered by loading a DS with Forgunners and flying like a maniac then dumping the mercs right at it's doorstep.

Yes you may die maybe even quite a few times but it could be done, I have to accept that I will most likely die multiple times while engaging a HAV or ADS that's just the way it is. Even if it where to run inside the shield and hide while recharging it's modules it would still need to come out again and this window would give the rest of your team time to win objectives or call in some long range firepower of your own.

I still move for Meta level locked matches being made available for Newberries or those looking for a change away from the Protobear swarms. We have the Metalevel system so why not use it? Then at least we won't have people stuck using Militia Swarms against Gunnlogis and rage quitting.

Both Judge and Bamm make good points in their respective Railgun tank vids, I have spoken to both of them about their various views however I tend to err away from nerfs having been at the sharp end of far to many to be happy seeing it happen to other players. I would like to look at altering the environment of play by encouraging AV amongst players and making HAV's come out into the open while keeping their unique features i.e Rails=Hard counter to vehicles, Blaster=Beach head gun emplacement. Certainly if you got a cool 500 WP for destroying an HAV people would sit up and take notice of that delicious freshly ground flavourGǪGǪ.

Heavy Attack Vehicle....
By that name to be fair you expect it to be OP...
If tanks were not the hardest hitting weapon in Dust, they would be useless

I have posted a thread, discussing a limit to total HAV's per team
HAV V AV
I think that may be a decent solution , but thats my opinion

Bamm makes some good points here, and it is necessary
As before CCP can listen to player feedback, they need to see a perspective from all roles ....

No this time its not a troll, this is my response to "Judge Rhadamanthus" and his call for nerfs on the rail tank which I believe he has unfairly focused on, when the real issues are the Red Line and Map Design , here I suggest another alternative that would solve the red line and map design issues he is facing .... and we can leave that nerf hammer alone, I really HATE NERFS and I believe nerfing breaks the mechanics of the game further .

My Rebuttal

DUST 514 : Tanks are NOT OP

Or... one could simply retune the redline instead of removing it in entirety...
First by extending the area of all prior redline areas back a ways, and then designating it with an orange border to differentiate the regions.

However, if you travel into the enemy orange line the further you go the LESS your maximum armor and shield become, and if you exit the orange, they restore to normal.

If you've ever played Runescape and tried the "Wilderness" before you'd know how these advancing regions work, but instead of going up a wilderness level, the affected party looses max HP relative to the tier they enter... so..
Outside of orange 100% all stats,
Area 1 --90% shield and armor (largest region mainly for deployment)
Area 2 (within handheld range of spawn) -50% shield and armor and -10% weapon damage
Area 3 (inside spawn proximity regions) -80% shield and armor and - 30% weapon damage

Defenses would be indestructible very-short-range manual turret systems that can target things within the orange region only, but loose power if the target is in a lower ranked region.

This way the complainers could run into the orange line to deal with troops/tanks they feel to be problematic. Would probably promote heavily dampened scouts.

Example,
If I had 100 shield and 100 armor, and ran into area 3, I would be left with 20 shield and 20 armor, and would not be able to heal over that until I left into area 2, then I would be able to heal back up to 50/50... and upon leaving all zones would be back to 100/100 maximum possible healing.
Zone auras are unable to kill players.

A simple fix we been promoting since the start is to remove all kills and warpoint gains from redline kills. Problem solved. No more stat padding, no more warpoint gains, no reason to stay in the redline cause you aren't going to get paid for it. Problem solved.

I'll just add to this by saying HMG, heavy machine gun, a name by which you would be forgiven for thinking similarly to your above post on the name HAV, but unfortunately needs massive eHP and a nice friendly logi to be effective in just spitting distance So many naming issues with gear in this game, but fortunately(I hope) CCP don't balance by name.

I'll check the video later Bamm, and I'm expecting/hoping there to have been loads of crayons used. Or really bad Paintbrushing And the only pie chart had better be made out of a good pork pie.

The Epicness of those illustrations would make even the ninja turtles Jelly

Here is another idea...

If you want to limit the HAV spam without having a hard cap on them.... why not link all vehicles to the War Points if a player doesn't acquire War Points he doesn't get the opportunity to call in LAVs, HAVs and Dropships this then forces a ground game at first and because its linked to the squads War Points not everyone can spam them and it forces them to join a squad and get involved with the Team Effort and contributing towards the win, abit like the Orbital Strikes only with vehicles ... again this is only an idea (and before I get flamed) I know its probably not the right one, but as I have said before in this thread a few times now... at least it offers No Nerfs and is an alternative to them . Which is ultimately my main aim here with this thread and video and I will say it again calling for Nerfs and raging about equipment that's supposedly "game breaking" under the premise of " He/She shot me " is not reason or justification enough to Nerf Anything.

Tanks are not a problem if you have some Mercs helping you take them out they should of not nerfed the forge and swarm launchers after the last tank update.Tanks are like bullies hit them a couple of times and they go running.

What I think CCP should do and does not affect the mechanics is increase HP of installations to something like 80000 HP on the redline and when they yellow (unhacked). Each time they are hacked, they loose half HP.
And I mean of everything, turrets, supply depots, CRUs, etc. Then place numerous turrets near home base in such that even if a squad of tanks/vehicles comes into the redline they will be automatically targeted by all turrets. This would also solve problems with ambush: end normal Ambush and leave only OMS Ambush.

It is no use to put so many turrets, the first thing tanks do is destroy them and collect 100WP.

Tanks are op. All hail the Judge. Love that dudes vids. Your just QQ because your 3 month reign is coming to an end. If your not using a tank to take out other vehicles and turrets your a *****, no talent scrub that has help to ruin the player population. Wish CCP had the balls to remove HAV and ADS.

Tanks are op. All hail the Judge. Love that dudes vids. Your just QQ because your 3 month reign is coming to an end. If your not using a tank to take out other vehicles and turrets your a *****, no talent scrub that has help to ruin the player population. Wish CCP had the balls to remove HAV and ADS.

Which one?

The one with the 500m redline Rail tank kill. Or maybe the one that shows the imbalance between proto forge v soma rail. Or maybe your talking about all the neato flight trainers, no I guess I haven't seen the vid?

Just get over it. Tank and ADS are *** ass tactics that only little wiener no talents use to win pub matches. I've seen enough BS in this game that would make most gamers quit a 100 times over bit these pilots really take the cake.

Which one?

The one with the 500m redline Rail tank kill. Or maybe the one that shows the imbalance between proto forge v soma rail. Or maybe your talking about all the neato flight trainers, no I guess I haven't seen the vid?

Just get over it. Tank and ADS are *** ass tactics that only little wiener no talents use to win pub matches. I've seen enough BS in this game that would make most gamers quit a 100 times over bit these pilots really take the cake.