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CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 816	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:53:00 - [1] - Quote Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate their own or control another people to create some sort of empire. The war with the Gallente is personal and has a lot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal). There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari at war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr. The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted. All things considered, it would seem the more prudent course of action that the Caldari should have been alligned with the Minmatar. Add to the fact that the Amarr are the biggest threat in the universe being the largest empire by far. The Caldari being the smallest would find the Minmatars war against the Amarr to be beneficial from an economical standpoint. I assume the Minmatar allied with the Gallente based on notions of freedom and democracy. Humm... just thinking out loud here.... Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 237	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:58:00 - [2] - Quote There i agree, basicaly both were slaves under supresing agresor (Galenteans tried to take Caldari tradition, their Mercitocratic system,on what they had builded whole culture and they desecrated their monuments. Minmatars was basicaly fully enslaved by Amarr). There is too many events and ations basicaly similar. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5093	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:00:00 - [3] - Quote The Caldari and Minmatar are a lot closer than many would like to believe. I forgot the story, but the leader of a Caldari corporation (Ishukone?) was a very close friend to one of the a Republic's leaders, and even gave him a Vitoc antidote. Another example of this: The Ishukone Assault Sub-Machine Gun inb4 The Amarrican't brigade Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2366	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:02:00 - [4] - Quote Simple answer we have a **** load of money we loned to the caldri "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 583	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:03:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Caldari and Minmatar are a lot closer than many would like to believe. I forgot the story, but the leader of a Caldari corporation (Ishukone?) was a very close friend to one of the a Republic's leaders, and even gave him a Vitoc antidote. Another example of this: The Ishukone Assault Sub-Machine Gun inb4 The Amarrican't brigade ^This, Not only that, but a lot of Minmatar ex-slaves moved there after the Amarr Empress freed the 9th Gen's and above. So we're closer to neutral than hostile. Who says you can't kill in style? When CCP plays Dust514
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 818	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:05:00 - [6] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: There i agree, basicaly both were slaves under supresing agresor (Galenteans tried to take Caldaris tradition, their Mercitocratic system,on what they had builded whole culture and they desecrated their monuments. Minmatars was basicaly fully enslaved by Amarr). There is too many events and ations basicaly similar. That's just it. However after further investigation it seems as if 2 other important factors come into play that I was unaware of. 1. All of the empires have some sort of connection to the Jove (Those mysterious uber powerful beings) except the Amarr [Who were brutally crushed by the Jove in a huge war] 2. The Amarr are sort of using the Caldari to keep the Gallente in check as the Amarr see the huge economical might of the Gallente as a very potent threat to their own equally large empire. The Gallente have a near limitless supply of Minmatar fighters they can train. However it seems to me all the more reason the Caldari should ditch the Amarr and take up arms with the Minmatar. The problem would be that the Minmatar are allies of our most hated enemy - the Gallente. Also the Caldari do share a very close bond with the Khanids, specifically Khanid II - IIRC. Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 238	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:05:00 - [7] - Quote Basicaly both the Caldari and Minmatars have same ideal. The prosperity through lore and its benefits in progress. Im DEFO for MERGE with MINMATARS. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2605	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:06:00 - [8] - Quote The Caldari are less inclined toward moral outrage. The Minmatar played the victom card to gain Gallente support. Once the Minmatar allied with the Gallente the Caldari had little choice by to join with the Amarr. If the Minmatar had not joined the Gallente the Caldari might have allied with them, but the reasons would have been economic or tactical. The Caldari are not so easily manipulated through righteous indignation. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 818	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:08:00 - [9] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Basicaly both the Caldari and Minmatars have same ideal. The prosperity through lore and its benefits in progress. Im DEFO for MERGE with MINMATARS. We need to become shield brethren in arms! We can fight the armour scum! Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1349	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:08:00 - [10] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: There i agree, basicaly both were slaves under supresing agresor (Galenteans tried to take Caldaris tradition, their Mercitocratic system,on what they had builded whole culture and they desecrated their monuments. Minmatars was basicaly fully enslaved by Amarr). There is too many events and ations basicaly similar. What?..... Gallente and Caldari where close.. They even jointly discovered the Jump gate technology... Even Caldari and Gallente Prime planets where in the same solar system... The Caldari Corporations where secretly colonizing Solar systems and military bases and building private armies of ships. When a gallente Exploration ship wondered into a secret Caldari colonization a Federation wide investigation went on and the caldari secret colonies and military strength where quickly brought into question.. The Caldari Corporations didn't want to operate under a democratic governing business body and made a stand... meh let me just find a link... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_(Chronicle)

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4419	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:09:00 - [11] - Quote The Caldari are aligned with just about everybody else. Even though there is tension between the Gallante and Caldari, their economies are very closely linked and they each have stakes in eachothers economies. Also the reason the Amarr are aligned more closely with the Caldari is because they have an implied military alliance; the Caldari help the Amarr from fighting the Minmatar and Gallante in a 2 v. 1 situation. The Caldari are also the greatest exploiters of Minmatar assets and also sell weapons to the Ammatar in exchange for resource rights. So if you think the Gallante are using the Minmatar, then you haven't considered how bad the Caldari would be. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 583	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:10:00 - [12] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The Caldari are less inclined toward moral outrage. The Minmatar played the victom card to gain Gallente support. Once the Minmatar allied with the Gallente the Caldari had little choice by to join with the Amarr. If the Minmatar had not joined the Gallente the Caldari might have allied with them, but the reasons would have been economic or tactical. The Caldari are not so easily manipulated through righteous indignation. Unlikely, it was Gallente intervention/Battle of Vak'Atoith that allowed the the Minmatar to break free. So the Gallente got to play the benevolent savior card. Who says you can't kill in style? When CCP plays Dust514
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 819	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:12:00 - [13] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: There i agree, basicaly both were slaves under supresing agresor (Galenteans tried to take Caldaris tradition, their Mercitocratic system,on what they had builded whole culture and they desecrated their monuments. Minmatars was basicaly fully enslaved by Amarr). There is too many events and ations basicaly similar. What?..... Gallente and Caldari where close.. They even jointly discovered the Jump gate technology... Even Caldari and Gallente Prime planets where in the same solar system... The Caldari Corporations where secretly colonizing Solar systems and military bases and building private armies of ships. When a gallente Exploration ship wondered into a secret Caldari colonization a Federation wide investigation went on and the caldari secret colonies and military strength where quickly brought into question.. The Caldari Corporations didn't want to operate under a democratic governing business body and made a stand... meh let me just find a link... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_(Chronicle) Awesome link Bethhy! That makes me love the Caldari even more. Secretive, steadfast in their response! Its great to shed a little more light on the whole subject. Wow I wish CCP pushed this st into DUST! Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB**
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1329	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:13:00 - [14] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The Caldari are less inclined toward moral outrage. The Minmatar played the victom card to gain Gallente support. Once the Minmatar allied with the Gallente the Caldari had little choice by to join with the Amarr. If the Minmatar had not joined the Gallente the Caldari might have allied with them, but the reasons would have been economic or tactical. The Caldari are not so easily manipulated through righteous indignation. Isn't that pretty much it? The Min sided with the Gal and therefore are the Cal's enemy by proxy. I'd really like to see the minor races (bloodlines) brought in as their own separate factions. Khanid, Ammatar et al could change the alignment. Oh well, ace in the hole for CCP. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 819	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:17:00 - [15] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: The Caldari are less inclined toward moral outrage. The Minmatar played the victom card to gain Gallente support. Once the Minmatar allied with the Gallente the Caldari had little choice by to join with the Amarr. If the Minmatar had not joined the Gallente the Caldari might have allied with them, but the reasons would have been economic or tactical. The Caldari are not so easily manipulated through righteous indignation. Isn't that pretty much it? The Min sided with the Gal and therefore are the Cal's enemy by proxy. I'd really like to see the minor races (bloodlines) brought in as their own separate factions. Khanid, Ammatar et al could change the alignment. Oh well, ace in the hole for CCP. And this is preciecly why I love CCP. The lore is awesome! Space politics at its finest! I swear I would forget CCP`s shortcommings in DUST overnight if the whole lore aspect was explored further, if we could have some sort of stake in it from a game play perspective. FW was the start of this, but it was lack lustre, so much more could be done. Hell right now we are only talking about the major races and players. We could further delve into the world with all of the pirate factions..... [Potential or what!]. Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1826	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:18:00 - [16] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Simple answer we have a **** load of money we loned to the caldri Also the Amarr have arguably the most powerful military in New Eden. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 167	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:18:00 - [17] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate their own or control another people to create some sort of empire. The war with the Gallente is personal and has a lot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal). There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari at war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr. The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted. All things considered, it would seem the more prudent course of action that the Caldari should have been alligned with the Minmatar. Add to the fact that the Amarr are the biggest threat in the universe being the largest empire by far. The Caldari being the smallest would find the Minmatars war against the Amarr to be beneficial from an economical standpoint. I assume the Minmatar allied with the Gallente based on notions of freedom and democracy. Humm... just thinking out loud here.... min arent allied with the cladari b/c they were already allied to the arrmar b/c big corperations want to be allied with large empires Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 240	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:25:00 - [18] - Quote Gallenteans the selfrighteous, pompous and luxury loving Hnolku. Their TRIED to take OUR identity. Their tried to MAKE us in their own PICTURE. But their TRIES were CRUSHED. CRUSHED by OUR RAISED FISTS. By OUR constatnt HEARTBEAT. By OUR firm STANCE. My BROTHERS, SISTER, SONS and DAUGHTERS of STATE. I will give my TRUST in another ENSLAVED JAIJII, than trust one SECOND more the GALLENTEANS word. Their word is just SHADOW, shadow and dust in OUR way to FREEDOM and PROSPERITY. For a STATE and for MINMATAR Suuolos KIRJUUN. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1350	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:28:00 - [19] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Bethhy wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: There i agree, basicaly both were slaves under supresing agresor (Galenteans tried to take Caldaris tradition, their Mercitocratic system,on what they had builded whole culture and they desecrated their monuments. Minmatars was basicaly fully enslaved by Amarr). There is too many events and ations basicaly similar. What?..... Gallente and Caldari where close.. They even jointly discovered the Jump gate technology... Even Caldari and Gallente Prime planets where in the same solar system... The Caldari Corporations where secretly colonizing Solar systems and military bases and building private armies of ships. When a gallente Exploration ship wondered into a secret Caldari colonization a Federation wide investigation went on and the caldari secret colonies and military strength where quickly brought into question.. The Caldari Corporations didn't want to operate under a democratic governing business body and made a stand... meh let me just find a link... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_(Chronicle) Awesome link Bethhy! That makes me love the Caldari even more. Secretive, steadfast in their response! Its great to shed a little more light on the whole subject. Wow I wish CCP pushed this s**t into DUST! They did to CCP's credit... Remember that Burning Titan event where we had debris everywhere? That was a battle for Caldari Prime... http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=The_Battle_for_Caldari_Prime http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/shiigeru-destroyed-federation-navy-offensive-in-luminaire-still-ongoing-1/ It's probably one of the coolest things that has been done in DUST 514 for events.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2605	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:32:00 - [20] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: The Caldari are less inclined toward moral outrage. The Minmatar played the victom card to gain Gallente support. Once the Minmatar allied with the Gallente the Caldari had little choice by to join with the Amarr. If the Minmatar had not joined the Gallente the Caldari might have allied with them, but the reasons would have been economic or tactical. The Caldari are not so easily manipulated through righteous indignation. Isn't that pretty much it? The Min sided with the Gal and therefore are the Cal's enemy by proxy. I'd really like to see the minor races (bloodlines) brought in as their own separate factions. Khanid, Ammatar et al could change the alignment. Oh well, ace in the hole for CCP. I have always favored the Khanid over that other Amarr factions. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014

Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 461	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:35:00 - [21] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: That's just it. However after further investigation it seems as if 2 other important factors come into play that I was unaware of. 1. All of the empires have some sort of connection to the Jove (Those mysterious uber powerful beings) except the Amarr [Who were brutally crushed by the Jove in a huge war] 2. The Amarr are sort of using the Caldari to keep the Gallente in check as the Amarr see the huge economical might of the Gallente as a very potent threat to their own equally large empire. The Gallente have a near limitless supply of Minmatar fighters they can train. However it seems to me all the more reason the Caldari should ditch the Amarr and take up arms with the Minmatar. The problem would be that the Minmatar are allies of our most hated enemy - the Gallente. Also the Caldari do share a very close bond with the Khanids, specifically Khanid II - IIRC. The Amarr Navy utilized a single squadron to attack the Jove at the Battle of VakGÇÖAtioth. Jove also had a spy in the Amarr Empire and were thus able to make a perfect counter. Also this post has striking similarity to your OP (EDIT just found it funny, nothing more) BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 240	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:38:00 - [22] - Quote Maybe its same person, or maybe he feels it same ad just dont have better words for it and he/she copied this. I dont see a big deal idea is still same. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 687	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:03:00 - [23] - Quote OP makes a good point but from a strict RP point of view, Caldari would side with the Amarr anyway, a strong empire that already has long and ancient trade routes, a massive stellar fleet that needs constantly upgrades, the strong ties with the Khanid Kingdom etc. Amarr has more money to spend.
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 319	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:24:00 - [24] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Simple answer we have a **** load of money we loned to the caldri Also the Amarr have arguably the most powerful military in New Eden. Still they got their ass kicked by jove(ok every faction would lose to those baldies) minmatar and gallente Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona Top Men. 319	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:27:00 - [25] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Gallenteans the selfrighteous, pompous and luxury loving Hnolku. Their TRIED to take OUR identity. Their tried to MAKE us in their own PICTURE. But their TRIES were CRUSHED. CRUSHED by OUR RAISED FISTS. By OUR constatnt HEARTBEAT. By OUR firm STANCE. My BROTHERS, SISTER, SONS and DAUGHTERS of STATE. I will give my TRUST in another ENSLAVED JAIJII, than trust one SECOND more the GALLENTEANS word. Their word is just SHADOW, shadow and dust in OUR way to FREEDOM and PROSPERITY. For a STATE and for MINMATAR Suuolos KIRJUUN. You should shut your dirty provist mouth Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1673	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:34:00 - [26] - Quote Ofc, everybody wants to be allied with the Minmatar, because we have the best parties. And the Matari/Gallente mixed events - all i can say is Oh l+á l+á. <-- fancy, no? Learnt that expression from a Gallente girl ;) I support SP rollover.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 241	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:44:00 - [27] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Gallenteans the selfrighteous, pompous and luxury loving Hnolku. Their TRIED to take OUR identity. Their tried to MAKE us in their own PICTURE. But their TRIES were CRUSHED. CRUSHED by OUR RAISED FISTS. By OUR constatnt HEARTBEAT. By OUR firm STANCE. My BROTHERS, SISTER, SONS and DAUGHTERS of STATE. I will give my TRUST in another ENSLAVED JAIJII, than trust one SECOND more the GALLENTEANS word. Their word is just SHADOW, shadow and dust in OUR way to FREEDOM and PROSPERITY. For a STATE and for MINMATAR Suuolos KIRJUUN. You should shut your dirty provist mouth Such a TYPICAL archetype of your RACE, congratulation. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1714	Posted - 2014.02.25 15:59:00 - [28] - Quote Realistically the Minmatar are heavily under the influence of the Gallente, which has been a real source of conflict between the Minmatar and Gallente. The Gallente are just as culturally imperialist toward them as they were toward the Caldari back in the day. That's probably the main reason for the state of war between the Caldari and Minmatar, they're effectively Gallente in terms of policy because they aren't that independent.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3562	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:06:00 - [29] - Quote The Amarr have the largest empire in the EVE universe. The Caldari are complete corporatists. They want that market. It makes sense to me. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6875	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:33:00 - [30] - Quote The Amarr have been respectfully treating the so-called "enslaved" Minmatar even before the war as well as freeing them. It was the Minmatar who started the violence. Also the Caldari are allies with the Amarr because the Caldari need the Amarr to hold of the Gallente. The Minmatar are allies with the Gallente because the Gallente feared the Amarr's sized so manipulated the Minmatar into rebelling to create internal conflict within the Amarr Empire so as to weaken their immediate power to be more on par with the Gallente's own. In fact most Gallente citizens don't even like the Minmatar, as evident with many recent news stories, and when you look historically when the Gallente and Amarr first met most Gallente citizens were actually fascinated with the Amarr and admired their civilization. It wasn't until the Gallente Federation's "elected" royalty began to fear their people thinking their is no need for their federation that they started a massive propaganda push to portray the Amarr as evil slavers that the citizens interest and liking to the Amarr vanquished. Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare. Amarr Victor!



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