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CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 816	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:53:00 - [1] - Quote Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate their own or control another people to create some sort of empire. The war with the Gallente is personal and has a lot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal). There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari at war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr. The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted. All things considered, it would seem the more prudent course of action that the Caldari should have been alligned with the Minmatar. Add to the fact that the Amarr are the biggest threat in the universe being the largest empire by far. The Caldari being the smallest would find the Minmatars war against the Amarr to be beneficial from an economical standpoint. I assume the Minmatar allied with the Gallente based on notions of freedom and democracy. Humm... just thinking out loud here.... Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 818	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:05:00 - [2] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: There i agree, basicaly both were slaves under supresing agresor (Galenteans tried to take Caldaris tradition, their Mercitocratic system,on what they had builded whole culture and they desecrated their monuments. Minmatars was basicaly fully enslaved by Amarr). There is too many events and ations basicaly similar. That's just it. However after further investigation it seems as if 2 other important factors come into play that I was unaware of. 1. All of the empires have some sort of connection to the Jove (Those mysterious uber powerful beings) except the Amarr [Who were brutally crushed by the Jove in a huge war] 2. The Amarr are sort of using the Caldari to keep the Gallente in check as the Amarr see the huge economical might of the Gallente as a very potent threat to their own equally large empire. The Gallente have a near limitless supply of Minmatar fighters they can train. However it seems to me all the more reason the Caldari should ditch the Amarr and take up arms with the Minmatar. The problem would be that the Minmatar are allies of our most hated enemy - the Gallente. Also the Caldari do share a very close bond with the Khanids, specifically Khanid II - IIRC. Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 818	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:08:00 - [3] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Basicaly both the Caldari and Minmatars have same ideal. The prosperity through lore and its benefits in progress. Im DEFO for MERGE with MINMATARS. We need to become shield brethren in arms! We can fight the armour scum! Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 819	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:12:00 - [4] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: There i agree, basicaly both were slaves under supresing agresor (Galenteans tried to take Caldaris tradition, their Mercitocratic system,on what they had builded whole culture and they desecrated their monuments. Minmatars was basicaly fully enslaved by Amarr). There is too many events and ations basicaly similar. What?..... Gallente and Caldari where close.. They even jointly discovered the Jump gate technology... Even Caldari and Gallente Prime planets where in the same solar system... The Caldari Corporations where secretly colonizing Solar systems and military bases and building private armies of ships. When a gallente Exploration ship wondered into a secret Caldari colonization a Federation wide investigation went on and the caldari secret colonies and military strength where quickly brought into question.. The Caldari Corporations didn't want to operate under a democratic governing business body and made a stand... meh let me just find a link... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Early_Days_(Chronicle) Awesome link Bethhy! That makes me love the Caldari even more. Secretive, steadfast in their response! Its great to shed a little more light on the whole subject. Wow I wish CCP pushed this st into DUST! Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB**
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 819	Posted - 2014.02.25 14:17:00 - [5] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: The Caldari are less inclined toward moral outrage. The Minmatar played the victom card to gain Gallente support. Once the Minmatar allied with the Gallente the Caldari had little choice by to join with the Amarr. If the Minmatar had not joined the Gallente the Caldari might have allied with them, but the reasons would have been economic or tactical. The Caldari are not so easily manipulated through righteous indignation. Isn't that pretty much it? The Min sided with the Gal and therefore are the Cal's enemy by proxy. I'd really like to see the minor races (bloodlines) brought in as their own separate factions. Khanid, Ammatar et al could change the alignment. Oh well, ace in the hole for CCP. And this is preciecly why I love CCP. The lore is awesome! Space politics at its finest! I swear I would forget CCP`s shortcommings in DUST overnight if the whole lore aspect was explored further, if we could have some sort of stake in it from a game play perspective. FW was the start of this, but it was lack lustre, so much more could be done. Hell right now we are only talking about the major races and players. We could further delve into the world with all of the pirate factions..... [Potential or what!]. Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 833	Posted - 2014.02.25 18:05:00 - [6] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: That's just it. However after further investigation it seems as if 2 other important factors come into play that I was unaware of. 1. All of the empires have some sort of connection to the Jove (Those mysterious uber powerful beings) except the Amarr [Who were brutally crushed by the Jove in a huge war] 2. The Amarr are sort of using the Caldari to keep the Gallente in check as the Amarr see the huge economical might of the Gallente as a very potent threat to their own equally large empire. The Gallente have a near limitless supply of Minmatar fighters they can train. However it seems to me all the more reason the Caldari should ditch the Amarr and take up arms with the Minmatar. The problem would be that the Minmatar are allies of our most hated enemy - the Gallente. Also the Caldari do share a very close bond with the Khanids, specifically Khanid II - IIRC. The Amarr Navy utilized a single squadron to attack the Jove at the Battle of VakGÇÖAtioth. Jove also had a spy in the Amarr Empire and were thus able to make a perfect counter. Also this post has striking similarity to your OP (EDIT just found it funny, nothing more) That post is where I got half of my post from, I literally copied half of that guys post for my own here. So credit to that guy, I hope he is ok with me stealing his post but it said everything I waned to say :) Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 834	Posted - 2014.02.25 18:24:00 - [7] - Quote Fraceska wrote: We were so willing to stop the 100 year war when we discovered the Amarr which were by far the larger threat than the Caldari State. Your morality and wanting to live like Caldari in support of an empire that enslaved entire civilizations for your own greedy empire. Just going to show you how "moral" you can be. How is slavery fitting into your meritocracy, bunch of hypocrites. It would have been better if you staid with the Federation. The Federation is a thinly veiled fa+ºade. Corruption and lies is all it really stands for! The rich get richer and the poor get trodden on. At least in both Caldari society and even the Amarr society, as long as you benefit the State or Empire respectively - you are always looked after. In Caldari society, even if our smallest corporation is threatened, the whole State unifies to back them up! We are one! Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 834	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:02:00 - [8] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Its because the Gallente are using the Minnies like puppets, pulling their strings to their own advantage Slavery under another name really, the Minnies should just revolt again Fk it! Why dont we ditch alliances then and all fight our own cause! Amarr Vs Caldari Vs Gallente Vs Minmatar! ALL OUT WAR! Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB** For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 834	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:03:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Caldari are "A political" and aren't interested in cultural differences. Only trade, research and advances in technology. Not changing another culture to replicate their own or control another people to create some sort of empire. The war with the Gallente is personal and has a lot to do with their betrayal and destruction of the Caldari's home world. The Gallente started the war. The Amarr started their war by conquering and enslaving the Minmatar (personal). There are 2 victims and 2 perpetrators. A good question would be; why are the Minmatar and Caldari at war? The Gallente attacked the Caldari. Same can be said about the Amarr. The Caldari are not religious and seem accepting of all cultures as long as trade is not disrupted. All things considered, it would seem the more prudent course of action that the Caldari should have been alligned with the Minmatar. Add to the fact that the Amarr are the biggest threat in the universe being the largest empire by far. The Caldari being the smallest would find the Minmatars war against the Amarr to be beneficial from an economical standpoint. I assume the Minmatar allied with the Gallente based on notions of freedom and democracy. Humm... just thinking out loud here.... Technically the Amarr never started a war. We are doing God's work and uniting humanity under one banners as humanity should be. Its the other peoples of New Eden that are being evil sods about the whole thing. I don't think the Minmatar nor the rest of New Eden would support that view lol. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 835	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:12:00 - [10] - Quote You know what interests me also.... What the hell is going on back in Sol and back on Earth while all of these millennia have passed!? Is there anything in CCP lore that talks about the original Humans? I know that they wanted to expand because they were using up resources but one would assume they pulled through. That is another cool tangent to explore. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!

CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 836	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:49:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. That's because all of these mercs keep fighting for the easy mode factions. Humm maybe I should start a Caldari Loyalist channel and start fighting for the Caldari proper and stop being a back bencher. The problem is I am an all rounder. I want and like all of the tech available. I was the same way in eve. Archon and Thanatos really outshine the Caldari Chimera. Same goes for all of the Cap ships unfortunately. Don't worry guys, shield has been UP in EVE for as long as I have known about CCP. (At least in eve on the capital side for sure) Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 837	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:07:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: It is true that amarr is the greatest threat to humanity, You've said this before but what makes you think that? It is the truth Adamance! Though you religious nuts will spin it as "The divine will of god". We Caldari are smart enough to not believe that. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 838	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:18:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: It is true that amarr is the greatest threat to humanity, You've said this before but what makes you think that? It is the truth Adamance! Though you religious nuts will spin it as "The divine will of god". We Caldari are smart enough to not believe that. And yet your entire economy would have fallen apart without the money we lent you, and the Gallente overrunning your defences. We don't seek conquest, simply unity of all peoples. And end to fighting, and a time of mankinds rule over everything beneath the heavens. I somewhat consider you all a minority of the mainstream Caldari who by far and away are more respectful, loyal, and noble than this rabble we have assembled here. Are you telling me the Caldari are indebted to the Amarr? Oh noesss :( I imagine the Imperial record keepers keep a very close eye on those files ;-) Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 840	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:40:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Also implying that the same would happen in the state is laughable, if several Gallente cant handle a single Minnie how would a single G handle several Caldari without being torn to shreds Judging by how utterly the Caldari are being dominated in the warzone at present, I should think the Caldari would be the ones torn to shreds. That's because all of these mercs keep fighting for the easy mode factions. Humm maybe I should start a Caldari Loyalist channel and start fighting for the Caldari proper and stop being a back bencher. The problem is I am an all rounder. I want and like all of the tech available. I was the same way in eve. Archon and Thanatos really outshine the Caldari Chimera. Same goes for all of the Cap ships unfortunately. Don't worry guys, shield has been UP in EVE for as long as I have known about CCP. (At least in eve on the capital side for sure) There's already a Caldari loyalist channel. As it happens, why do you think the Gallente/Minmatar are 'easy mode'? It's not because everyone fight for them, it's because everyone started fighting for them after they gained more momentum and initially crushed the Caldari resistance. There were good fights on day one FW. After that, you just gave up. Probably because of people like you, who complain on the forums instead of fighting for your factions. As for shield being UP in EVE, I find it hilarious that you bring this up. Perhaps it is, on the capital level - very much due to the effect of slave vs crystal sets. In the sub-cap zone, shields are generally better. Indeed, CCP have been buffing armour lately to address that. Actually I fight for Minmatar myself more. I have never been into the whole RP thing until recently (If you can call it rp lol) To be honest waiting 5, 10 , 20 + mins to get into a battle put me off FW all together. So in some ways I am to blame but blame the system first. As for EVE do you play eve? Damn right shields are better for sub caps (Well that is debateable). I personally loved small gang warfare in EVE. I actually ran a lot of Minmatar ships in eve too, even though I think my guy was at the 70+m sp mark when I left to start playing DUST. In the capital arena, yes it has always been about armour tanking for one reason or another. I loved tech 3 ships though in the sub cap arena. Tengus, and Lokis being my favourite. EDIT - Though once you experience the power of the Macharial, there really is no turning back! Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 845	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:49:00 - [15] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. Man I just made this thread to think out loud basically. I had no idea people were so passionate on this subject. Like I said, I am not really a true Caldari. I have always been a "jack of all trades". And to Adamance, why is it funny if I asked Arkena Wyrnspire if he/she plays eve? Should I know of his eve character? @ Arkena Wyrnspire - What do you do in eve? Are you part of any of the major alliances or something? (I am certainly not the most clued up person when it comes to all of this I will freely admit, I do however find it all very fascinating) Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 845	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:56:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lol, I find this thread to be a silly Caldari stunt to continue to try and make the Federation look bad, even though they started it. We just ended it. Man I just made this thread to think out loud basically. I had no idea people were so passionate on this subject. Like I said, I am not really a true Caldari. I have always been a "jack of all trades". And to Adamance, why is it funny if I asked Arkena Wyrnspire if he/she plays eve? Should I know of his eve character? @ Arkena Wyrnspire - What do you do in eve? Are you part of any of the major alliances or something? (I am certainly not the most clued up person when it comes to all of this I will freely admit, I do however find it all very fascinating) He does, I do...you probably don't know him.....but I think he is a couple of years ahead of me SP wise....... Either way to the best of my knowledge Arkena has been reasonably big in GAL FW. Ahh dude, I went from being a nub in high sec for a few months straight into being a nub in 0.0 getting my st fit battleships tore apart by PL Zealot gangs back in 09 when they were the fotm. I learnt the hard way and loved it! Never did any of the FW in EVE. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB** For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 847	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:05:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Never did any of the FW in EVE. It's improved vastly since the original implementation. Inferno and subsequent reiterations were very good for it. Cool man. The thing that always worried me about FW was a loss of standings and having to dodge Navy and customs officers. Is that part still applicable? (I could never lose access to the beloved Jita 4-4. Alts dont count) I've been thinking about resubbing to eve again. It has been a long time indeed. The whole concept of New Eden has never really left me. Is there any sort of DUST community of EVE players? It would be cool to help out with orbitals and the like. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 848	Posted - 2014.02.25 23:24:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Never did any of the FW in EVE. It's improved vastly since the original implementation. Inferno and subsequent reiterations were very good for it. Cool man. The thing that always worried me about FW was a loss of standings and having to dodge Navy and customs officers. Is that part still applicable? (I could never lose access to the beloved Jita 4-4. Alts dont count) I've been thinking about resubbing to eve again. It has been a long time indeed. The whole concept of New Eden has never really left me. Is there any sort of DUST community of EVE players? It would be cool to help out with orbitals and the like. You do... kind of lose access to half of hisec. The opposing factions will attempt to intercept you with their navy, and players from the opposing militias can freely attack you in that hisec. It's not particularly effective though. I've visited Jita several times recently, even picked up a Snake set. Standings haven't really bothered me, and I've managed to repair mine through the odd mission. There's a bit of a community for orbital strike duties in FW - some people take a lot of interest in it. Some are just there for the pay, but others are genuinely interested in the mechanic and it's great to see. Depending on what faction, there are a number of different channels used for OB support. You now get killmails for doing it (which can be amusing for bragging rights - I have one of a fully militia fit heavy with a Thale's) and a decent sum of LP which you can convert into ISK indirectly through LP stores. If you want to give EVE a try again, shoot me a mail - the character I use for these things is 'Arkenai Wyrnspire'. I may even help you out a bit and do things with you if I decide to leave Gal FW. EDIT: I'm genuinely curious as to why you believe it was the Gallente who started the war. Was it not the Caldari who struck first? My understanding of eve lore is fuzzy. It was my assumption that after discovering the secret Caldari build up we stood fast in our ideals and did not back down to Gallente pressure to be under your control. At that point you sent forces to control the situation and we struck back. I could be wrong. Ahh cool, so they are not as hard core as concord then. Snake set, thats the speed implants right? I never did FW. Jumped in at the deep end as a newbie and discovered my love for 0.0 PVP from there on in. Literally spent most of my eve time in nullsec small gang warfare. Cool man I will, I am going to mail CCP sometime this week and see if I can get them to give me hours for plex if they still do that. I am pretty sure I still have a few bill left on my main. The problem I will face is no doubt trying to get my billions of isk worth of assets out of no doubt enemy stations in null. I left eve without any preparation, I doubt any of my stuff was in NPC space so getting it out might be difficult. No doubt I will have to fire sell stuff to the Goons or who ever controls Delve these days. What are you looking to do in eve if you leave FW? Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!