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McFurious
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.02.26 05:33:00 -
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^ He's got a point.
It isn't fair but CCP hasn't gotten around to SP-based matchmaking. We'll have to wait and see what CCP Rogue's plans are going forward.
In the meantime, what new players need to do is join a corp. Most of the big corps have public chat channels. Join chat, start squadding up, and if you're good they might let you join. Even if you don't get to join it's still better than soloing.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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Rinzler XVIII
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.26 07:12:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote: /sigh
This is one of the worst communities I've ever seen in any game.
The only thing that comes to mind for comparison is the Asura, Bakasura.
No matter what it receives, it still wants more to cram into it's face. Nothing ever satiates it.
CCP can continue to keep adding content, and it's not good enough. More needs to be added NAOW.
CCP can try to fix matchmaking, and then while it's slightly better then before...no, it then claims matchmaking is as bad as it was in closed beta and nothings changed.
CCP can attempt to provide more communication then they previously did, succeed at it...then get thrashed by the forums saying they are never around and ignoring us.
CCP can respond to a few threads about a specific topic, but it's not good enough, they have to respond to EVERY thread and repeat the same thing over and over again just to fill it's stomach.
I would actually be satisfied if CCP just canned the entire game. Many of you don't deserve to play any game with your unquenchable thirsts and self entitled attitudes.
CCP may have dug the hole they are currently in, but this community keeps piling on dirt to make sure it stays that way.
/sigh
This is one of the most unpolished games I've ever played so it isn't surprising that the forums have alot more complaints about the game than other game forums out there ! That isn't a community issue that's a development issue .. no mistakes no QQ it really is that simple !
What have we had since Jan 2013 ? What were we promised or shown would be in the game by now ? No racial parity, no PVE, no player Market, no meaningful DUST-Eve link .. what about bubble shields ? There was a DEV Blog on them and we still don't have them 6 months later !
Telling a starving man to stop asking for food as he ate 2 weeks ago isn't the same as telling a man who has just eaten a 10 course meal to stop asking for food.
Fixing something and making it slightly better than before aren't the same thing. If I told you I was going to fix a gas leak and then came back to you saying 'well I have made it slightly better than before as it isn't leaking as much' .. you wouldn't say that I had fixed it and would tell me to 'go back and finish the job properly'.
CCP barely used to communicate with us at all so it isn't much of an achievement to improve on that.
I did clarify that no one expects DEVs to respond to every thread but adding something similar to the dev post sign to be like a tick to show that a dev has looked at the thread is all thats needed so players know that the devs are actively checking the forums because right now we only have their word for it.
The community would like a game they play to succeed and be balanced and fun .. what is the problem with that ?
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ONE-I-BANDIT
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.26 08:45:00 -
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If you cant keep an promise. Then come out and say you cant keep that promise this way people will not cont. to look for that promise and move on.
Wait till they get al load of me
Proto Logi /Big Bad Tanker
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2014.02.26 09:40:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Marvin was the man and hed be right....  Weren't you in another thread asking why you weren't able to use an OB after getting 2500 WPs? I don't think you've been around long enough to know of anything thats been fixed in this game.
37 mil sp, been here since March its long enough, besides my gun speaks for what I have the right to say, and your welcome to answer for him then, enlighten us all as to what has been fixed |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2389
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Posted - 2014.02.26 09:41:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Duran Lex wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Marvin was the man and hed be right.... Weren't you in another thread asking why you weren't able to use an OB after getting 2500 WPs? I don't think you've been around long enough to know of anything thats been fixed in this game. 37 mil sp, been here since March its long enough, besides my gun speaks for what I have the right to say
Loser. I been begging dis dude to come shoot for me for 2 months now. 
CEO of FA
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2014.02.26 09:43:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Duran Lex wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Marvin was the man and hed be right.... Weren't you in another thread asking why you weren't able to use an OB after getting 2500 WPs? I don't think you've been around long enough to know of anything thats been fixed in this game. 37 mil sp, been here since March its long enough, besides my gun speaks for what I have the right to say Loser. I been begging dis dude to come shoot for me for 2 months now.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13201
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Posted - 2014.02.26 11:47:00 -
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Rinzler XVIII wrote: The OP;
*Cracks neck a bit. Warning wall of text was constructed on sheep jumping fences.
Sorry been off the forums lately and didn't get to this sooner and lack of sleep right now.
As for what the CPM exactly does when it comes to communism is to take a tuning fork to the community and find the tone of it. Striking the fork in one place can leave a sour note, striking it in others gives it a sweet note. It is then the CPM"s responsibility to find out why and that is why some of the more effective cpm pushes are based on the subjects where it has been struck everywhere near and far.
True we do cherry pick some voices but the point about the voices we generally pick is they're the voices that quite a bit of the community IS already listening too. Much so more those who never speak cannot be represented as easily; I still run into players who don't know what a CPM is. Regardless; In this echo chamber its pretty amazing how often you get a chorus and how infrequent individual voices are. There are plenty of variety of tones but once you split the hairs they're hard to distinguish anymore.
Which leads to the first unfairness; CPM are players too, and by that extension, Human. We're entitled to our own opinions, ideas thoughts and the like. Why do you think I got rather upset that my Dust 2.0 project got onto CCP's radar in a big way? (thanks alot twitter verse) It's because I really didn't want them to see it that early in the process, a project that may just fall out because I simply do not have the time these days. It was eventually going to wind up on their radar but it got there far too prematurely for my liking; and now I have to deal with it with CCP. As for our own opinions there are times to raise them up as your own and honestly speak for oneself to ccp about how you feel about said subject; and there is time where you need to swallow your own pride and admit.
The other unfairness of the whole deals is the simple fact as much as the CPM is held to a NDA so are the Developers are required to adhere to that NDA as well; and after months and months of doing this behind closed doors the NDA's purpose becomes rather clear in its use. One wrong message can burn the entire community to cinders. While there have been mistakes in the past just imagine how much worse they could have been had they been blathered out at first thought of the developers? The only difference between CPM NDA and Dev NDA is their loop on permissible lifts are much shorter than the CPMs (and is almost always reliant on the developers making the first move anyways)
As for the auto-cracity comments, I can recall about 13 incidents (the most recent of which was yesterday) where the CPM pissed off or hurt, or agitated CCP in some form shape or manner that made members of the company rather uncomfortable. A couple of them have been made public if you been keeping up. If you think we're a bunch of yes men then you're sorely mistaken; currently we're more of a 'we told you so' sort of folks though there are plenty of times CPM didn't see it coming (commonly attributed processing quite a bit of information all at once) or CCP listened and responded with the positive change.
As for CCP employees and the mistakes and successes they're having; being able to talk with them near weekly; pick their brains and understand how all the madness works makes the CPM feel sorry for the most likely to be targets of community ire. Some employees will deserve it; some really don't. Case in point the last 5 paragraphs involves a single hard working developer footwork.
As for the decisions matter argument; most other people in the new eden imply it to the things you do outside your character's shields. A wrong post on the forums, a spat on IRC, a friend request on face book leading to wars, year long grudges, and corp heists.
And if you're going to bring real world thinking into this. Eve is in a constant flux of constant technological developments. Your plasma rifle magnetic frequency was found out and fully countered with a simple algorithm change in the shielding and armor resonance. Technology kill off rate in new eden is vastly astounding and highly competitive. You don't take a WW2 Sherman and pit it against a modern Abrams. Similar in respects you don't take a Circa 2004 eve online battleship against a 2014 version either (and this is just by plain raw stats the old battleships would be nearly 40:1 power ratio meaning you would need nearly 40 to sink a current one; implied power gains are astronomical.) So what may be a totally awesome Rail Rifle today someone is already out there developing a counter to kill it's effectiveness and the Rail Rifle manufacturer wants to retain its dominance in selling that weapon and will have to make sacrifices and adjustments to keep on par with everyone else. I mean can you imagine that less than two years ago personal shielding on infantry didn't exist? Not even on the tanks?
As for balance, this game WILL never achieve 'perfect' balance. It's not in its nature to ever too. Also most unfortunately Marketing and players proven time after time after time again. A new gun is ALWAYS more preferable to balance; and you know what is worse about that? A new gun can be voted with a wallet waving and throwing money at the computer screen; perfect balance is usually voted by turning around and walking out the door. Which is sad because thats how really crappy games are hot sellers while truly great games are in bargain bins and the studio that made them is completely empty.
Also I already made it known I am totally against respecs (as a service) until a long list of conditions are met; but I am still pushing for one in 1.8.
I have an open door policy and I am sorry if I rejected your skype requests been getting trolled there lately. Twitter and eve mail or the forums are some of the better places to find me.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13201
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Posted - 2014.02.26 11:55:00 -
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In addium of balance, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=325209&find=unread
Third time this year these ships have been altered and they're among the FIRST ships brought into the game when it launched and I would probably say this is the 20th time they been balanced AGAIN.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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ONE-I-BANDIT
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.26 12:02:00 -
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So its like an spin the wheel kinda deal for all the items well thats good to know
alway have to be on your toes
Wait till they get al load of me
Proto Logi /Big Bad Tanker
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.02.26 14:46:00 -
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ONE-I-BANDIT wrote:So its like an spin the wheel kinda deal for all the items well thats good to know
alway have to be on your toes
I hate the blind side spins from either side, for the record on blindsiding CCP is winning that score easily.
CPM (as a whole) has accurately guessed most of the community reactions.
Its CCP doing most of the wrench throwing.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
760
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Posted - 2014.02.26 15:08:00 -
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This is how I read the blue-tagged post:
- CCP reads the forums but don't act on the tuff they read.
- CCP rationalizes that it's OK to have crap communication on the official forums (which everyone can see at a given time) because they got other lines of communication.
(LOL you still have to think about respecs after all this time? I hope you guys are discussing a whole complete new system because this is just getting whack).
- CCP is accountable...but we had to hire a new guy first. |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
1680
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Posted - 2014.02.26 15:22:00 -
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RKKR wrote:This is how I read the blue-tagged post:
- CCP reads the forums but don't act on the tuff they read.
- CCP rationalizes that it's OK to have crap communication on the official forums (which everyone can see at a given time) because they got other lines of communication.
(LOL you still have to think about respecs after all this time? I hope you guys are discussing a whole complete new system because this is just getting whack).
- CCP is accountable...but we had to hire a new guy first.
This is bitter, true, but is also absolutely fair. +1 RKKR.
I support SP rollover.
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
2379
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Posted - 2014.02.26 15:27:00 -
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ONE-I-BANDIT wrote:So its like an spin the wheel kinda deal for all the items well thats good to know
alway have to be on your toes
Tbh i would ok with that if it was expected for and promoted part of the game play as it would encourage people to constantly review their fittings.
It is idea that i think should be looked into. And could even have fluff behind.
Fresh off the line new improved amour plates to deal with those pesky amour plates.
Following month
Brick tanks getting you down try out are new line of explosive mass drivers :-P
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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Dalmont Legrand
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Posted - 2014.02.26 15:34:00 -
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I got my eyes on you... humanz.
The best is yet to come
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BattleCry1791
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
435
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Posted - 2014.02.26 15:42:00 -
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Hey Rinzler, nice post
A couple of things regarding this thread.
1) Yes, it's the Dropsuits that we need the respec for. I'll meet you half way CCP. You want us to not spec out of weapons to punish the FOTM crowd after 1.7. That's cool. But you are going to invalidate my playstyle on my main account with this patch. I spec'd into min logi for the hack speed. I run solo a lot, so I carry scanners, drop links, and hives. But thanks to your changes to the suits, the min logi suit does nothing for me. And that's not the only instance. There's all kinds of players out there that are going to experience this problem.
If I had known you were changing the racial bonuses, then I would have made a different choice. But you didn't tell me and the rest of the player base did you? This isn't a "tweak" or a "minor change", you're making massive wide sweeping changes to the game. Which you'll likely screw up based on historical evidence. Which leads me to my next point.
2) To the rest of the community...yes, we have massive problems with hit detection, frames, getting stuck on 3 inch protrusions from the ground...there are core game mechanics that are simply broken (like minute side strafing). But I offer this;
We still won't have all the content after this patch. Pilot and tanker dropsuits, installations, other heavy guns, the remaining racial vehicles...there;s a lot left. You all know, just as well as I do, that every time they release new material they're going to screw something up. So why slowly remove the band-aid. Let's just rip it off. GIVE US EVERYTHING CCP. It doesn't matter how broken it is, because by breaking it off piecemeal you keep hosing the balance to the game. So let's just get everything out there.
THEN you fully respec. Go 60 days (and during this phase you create a WP based matchmaking system). Do ninja tweaks, then comes the BIG.FAT.PATCH (Sin City anyone?), one last respec and then it's off to mechanics now that all the content is out. Then it's off to PVE land and a player market. By Christmas you have a fully released game.
It would take a total of 4 or 5 months to do this if you put your nose to the grindstone. With the current pace it will be over a year.
However, I know this won't happen. Why? Because it's the best way to go. Go ahead and ignore me and those that follow the same gaming philosophy that I do. Zipper did this quite well. Anything that we ever supported...they went running and screaming from in the opposite direction as fast as they could. Go ahead and hold your breath for that MAG 2 release date. Will never happen unless I win the lottery.
I don't make my assertions based on my personal wants or needs, never, have, I just want what's best for the playerbase. What's best for the playerbase is what's best for the game. Best for the playerbase is what's best for the game because it means more players. More players means MOAR AURUM. Got that CCP? You want to get the cash flow going, you respec this time round. You rip off the band aid, and it will happen. Go at this half-assed like you have been and you will not grow.
They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2014.02.26 15:46:00 -
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While I am sure that most of what IWS said is true the problem is that the mentality of ccp and some cpm members is to accept the practices used in EVE, we will at some point achieve racial parity no? And when we have all the suits and all the main weapons how can we not then say ok balance this and then leave it alone? Is that to much to ask? No, and until then when you make huge changes give an sp refund......
Thats really not asking that much.. If true balance ever exists then FOTM wont.... And thats the deal..... Either way our choices dont matter when your changing SUIT ROLE BONUSES, I mean damn those are essential parts of why we choose a suit or weapon.... So if ccp wants to balance all weapon stats against each other, and not against cry babys thats one thing, but if they introduce 5 new suits, and change the weapons, and change role bonuses, and add new weapons, then yes we needmto demand it, I think we have done a good job this time around, though as a community we havent demanded it enough in the past.....
Relying to much on the cpm or defering to the traditions of eve as SOME cpm members like to do. F u c k eve this is dust, we aint flying ships in space we are shooters and unlike eve very small changes here make a big deal. Our skill is in our thumbs and our reflexes and its real and tangible skill in eve its all spreadsheets and numbers and your shooting skill means d I c k ? Ya...... |
Bradric Banewolf
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
The Umbra Combine
150
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:00:00 -
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Ok. Giving CCP a clean slate. Yep, I'm gonna personally let CCP off the hook because they do atleast acknowledge that they do have to fix things. I understand some of these things sneaking up on them. OP weapons don't get a pass though. Thet need to stop that?! Focus more on it being unique and effective against a certain aspect of the game. Not everything it touchs turns to dust?! No more OP weapons, and I'll let that ride ok CCP.
The tanks can be stopped to be fair, but they also don't have weaknesses like the rail rifle. Whole teams are hitting them with the whole of their AV capabilities just to watch it ride off to the redline. Only to come back 30 seconds later ready to go! So lets just say you didn't see that coming. Now that we've thoroughly explained the obvious, I'm sure CCP is all over it!
Matchmaking is apparently tough. If it wasn't CCP would have it in the bag already. So lets just say it's a work in progress, and they need more time to work out kinks. In another 6 months can we see some sort of balance to some degree? Great!
Can't speak for everyone else, but I'm giving CCP til the end of the year, and 2.0 to make this much better. Is that fair?
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:38:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:While I am sure that most of what IWS said is true the problem is that the mentality of ccp and some cpm members is to accept the practices used in EVE, we will at some point achieve racial parity no? And when we have all the suits and all the main weapons how can we not then say ok balance this and then leave it alone? Is that to much to ask? No, and until then when you make huge changes give an sp refund......
Thats really not asking that much.. If true balance ever exists then FOTM wont.... And thats the deal..... Either way our choices dont matter when your changing SUIT ROLE BONUSES, I mean damn those are essential parts of why we choose a suit or weapon.... So if ccp wants to balance all weapon stats against each other, and not against cry babys thats one thing, but if they introduce 5 new suits, and change the weapons, and change role bonuses, and add new weapons, then yes we needmto demand it, I think we have done a good job this time around, though as a community we havent demanded it enough in the past.....
Relying to much on the cpm or defering to the traditions of eve as SOME cpm members like to do. F u c k eve this is dust, we aint flying ships in space we are shooters and unlike eve very small changes here make a big deal. Our skill is in our thumbs and our reflexes and its real and tangible skill in eve its all spreadsheets and numbers and your shooting skill means d I c k ? Ya......
possible patch notes wrote:
CARACAL:
+0.01 inertia
Small change leads to quite a bit of meta in eve as they do in dust.
Also piloting in pvp small scale is typically the height of hand eye mind coordination in eve. True you may not need reliance on your ability to point and click. But you do need excessive reliance on being able to know your own ship's abilities are and what the target list and what the potential abilities are, as well as extra spacial awareness being most useful Like who just popped in local and the like. This is where spreadsheets begin to fail in eve. I mean I watched a video where numerically two ishtar cruisers shouldn't have done what they did but they did anyways taking on a fleet much larger than themselves and winning despite being in quarter hull.
I mean numerically a rookie ship has no chance against a missile cruiser right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3i2AftCl-o
The reason why there is such a reliance on eve. is because dust 514 IS eve, its a special client of eve and it in the same universe as eve.
What sense would it make if amarrians used bullets? Minmatar used photon cannons? Gallente using deflector dish to solve their plot holes? Or Caldari being generous?
There is a basis for which to deflect off of the parent universe for on many grounds in terms of both numbers and game design. Knowing what works well in an FPS and what doesn't should not require eve online though.
Ture balance will never be achieved in dust because of the constantly changing meta, measuring the turn around time on FOTM cycling unadulterated is about 3 months in Dust 514. That means without patches interfering with the numbers involved it takes the player base to counter the FOTM and adopt it widely.
Also true balance is a complete falsehood from what I have seen so far in every other game. In every true balance game I ever seen it consistently boiled down to one number and
DPS.
Not HP.
Not speed.
DPS and the application or Insurance of
Rather horrible concept to be honest where everyone is a glass cannon but who cares? your dps is so freakishly high that your attacks will chew through their defenses before they can respond.
TTK in dust low? At least I can survive a half of a magazine of a rail rifle attempted hits and still kill the guy that shotting me.
Other 'perfect balance' games its death on sight if you're statistically inferior. There is no out skilling, there is no out thinking there is really no outplaying. Because in a perfect balance games you might as well delete all numbers.
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Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:43:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Rinzler XVIII wrote:
The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community.
We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ?
-Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done.
Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have.
A long winded say of saying 'we're still talking without any real substance'.
Give us blogs, data sheets, and an actual Q&A session this new 'process' and maybe you'll get more credit. Until then, I'm seeing nothing to get my hopes up over, just more rhetoric. |
SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:16:00 -
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All I am seeing at this point is bltch, bltch, bltch, whine, whine, whine. Can the Devs lock this already.
The skills come with time, teamwork is what we want.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7644
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Posted - 2014.02.27 01:29:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Rinzler XVIII wrote:
The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community.
We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ?
-Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done.
Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have.
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BattleCry1791 wrote:Hey Rinzler, nice post
A couple of things regarding this thread.
1) Yes, it's the Dropsuits that we need the respec for. I'll meet you half way CCP. You want us to not spec out of weapons to punish the FOTM crowd after 1.7. That's cool. But you are going to invalidate my playstyle on my main account with this patch. I spec'd into min logi for the hack speed. I run solo a lot, so I carry scanners, drop links, and hives. But thanks to your changes to the suits, the min logi suit does nothing for me. And that's not the only instance. There's all kinds of players out there that are going to experience this problem.
If I had known you were changing the racial bonuses, then I would have made a different choice. But you didn't tell me and the rest of the player base did you? This isn't a "tweak" or a "minor change", you're making massive wide sweeping changes to the game. Which you'll likely screw up based on historical evidence. Which leads me to my next point.
2) To the rest of the community...yes, we have massive problems with hit detection, frames, getting stuck on 3 inch protrusions from the ground...there are core game mechanics that are simply broken (like minute side strafing). But I offer this;
We still won't have all the content after this patch. Pilot and tanker dropsuits, installations, other heavy guns, the remaining racial vehicles...there;s a lot left. You all know, just as well as I do, that every time they release new material they're going to screw something up. So why slowly remove the band-aid. Let's just rip it off. GIVE US EVERYTHING CCP. It doesn't matter how broken it is, because by breaking it off piecemeal you keep hosing the balance to the game. So let's just get everything out there.
THEN you fully respec. Go 60 days (and during this phase you create a WP based matchmaking system). Do ninja tweaks, then comes the BIG.FAT.PATCH (Sin City anyone?), one last respec and then it's off to mechanics now that all the content is out. Then it's off to PVE land and a player market. By Christmas you have a fully released game.
It would take a total of 4 or 5 months to do this if you put your nose to the grindstone. With the current pace it will be over a year.
However, I know this won't happen. Why? Because it's the best way to go. Go ahead and ignore me and those that follow the same gaming philosophy that I do. Zipper did this quite well. Anything that we ever supported...they went running and screaming from in the opposite direction as fast as they could. Go ahead and hold your breath for that MAG 2 release date. Will never happen unless I win the lottery.
I don't make my assertions based on my personal wants or needs, never, have, I just want what's best for the playerbase. What's best for the playerbase is what's best for the game. Best for the playerbase is what's best for the game because it means more players. More players means MOAR AURUM. Got that CCP? You want to get the cash flow going, you respec this time round. You rip off the band aid, and it will happen. Go at this half-assed like you have been and you will not grow.
It's a lot, but worth quoting for being a good idea.
GIVE IT TO ME! The whole shebang. Then do the fixes. It's not elegant, but neither is dragging this along. I wanna love this game, but it's like a girlfriend that you gotta apologize for...it's never quite good enough!
Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
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