If you cant see the downsides of a full respec then 'narrow minded' may be a bit difficult for you to comprehend.

Not saying it might not be the lesser of 2 evils, but its definetly not as clear cut as you seem to think lol

Considering the devs have recently had a major restructuring and been through the most hevily holiday'd part of the year you would think there would be some understanding around here.
Also please note we dont know what all the devs have been doing, fanfest is the big reveal date so please park your high horse

I never said I wanted a full respec. On the contrary, I understand why CCP would not want to give one. However with the huge sweeping changes coming in it would be prudent to give a Dropsuit SP respec. Do you not agree?

Anyway I go through ups and downs with this game. I just took a look at reviews from both critics as well as player reviews. They all echo the same thing. Great idea, poor execution. (Most reviews were lucky to give this game a 5/10. If that doesn't give CCP a kick in the rear end then I dont think anything ever will)

I keep dragging myself back here because I do love the ideas, but the reality is, nothing is changing as far as I can see. I'm on the verge of just being "done with it." Hell I wanted to spend some money on the game but there is nothing worth getting!

Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points -

- Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature.

- There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it.

On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :)

- We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day.

I hope that answers some of the questions you have.

I alluded to this in another thread. If I were a dev I wouldn't exactly be foaming at the mouth to interact with a playerbase that continuously belittled and berated me and what I was doing with an onslaught of negativity and pessimism while not really offering anything constructive. I'd rather just knuckle down and do my job. Many in the community lack empathy and forget that the devs are people too and that they are doing a job just like everyone else and if these people claim that they would be fine with visiting a community full of hatred and vile on a regular basis for their job, I call BS.

Seriously, "CCP sucks...CCP fail, DUST is dead, what a joke,.......errr...CCP come talk to me!" Yeah Ok...

Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points -

- Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature.

- There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it.

On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :)

- We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day.

I hope that answers some of the questions you have.

OK here's my problem with part of what u said saber wing

The sheer level of noise???? From who?....dust doesn't have a huge player base.....if you throw eve players in I guess that makes sense but here another point

What would have been done about this SHEER LEVEL OF NOISE if the game had been MASSIVELY popular.....


Impo having cpms is like having a congress of sorts.....the thing is that most of the time the congress starts feeding their OWN interests and not the PLAYER BASES

Just to clarify - It was just more typical CCP rhetoric. "We do hear you, blah blah soon". "Still undecided" "CCP Rouge is Jesus"

I will believe it all when I see a difference. Right now its the same old same.

I alluded to this in another thread. If I were a dev I wouldn't exactly be foaming at the mouth to interact with a playerbase that continuously belittled and berated me and what I was doing with an onslaught of negativity and pessimism while not really offering anything constructive. I'd rather just knuckle down and do my job. Many in the community lack empathy and forget that the devs are people too and that they are doing a job just like everyone else and if these people claim that they would be fine with visiting a community full of hatred and vile on a regular basis for their job, I call BS.

Seriously, "CCP sucks...CCP fail, DUST is dead, what a joke,.......errr...CCP come talk to me!" Yeah Ok...

I personally don't think we shouldn't have a CPM.

TL;DR Just want to get a few things off my chest, I don't expect anyone to care or even read it all .. or even respond

The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community.

We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ?

-We have an autocracy using the facade of a democracy. Those in positions of 'power' will always cater to the interests of those who put them in that position in the 1st place hence the CCP love in I see from prominent members in the community despite all of the mistakes that have been made and keep being made.

-Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done.

-The Tank 100% Nitrous mistake is absolutely horrific for a company of CCPs stature, being added at 100% n the 1st place is a minor mistake that is completely understandable but for that to then be added into the game is a total shambles .. did no-one check the changes before the patch was implemented ? These are absolute basics .. you add a change and you check it to make sure it's correct and then you confirm that it is right and patch it into the game. I'm not even talking about it actually being game tested either and whilst I think not game testing new content or changes is a fail I can understand they are restricted somewhat by Sony QA.

-Balance will never be achieved until core fundamentals and mechanics are set in place. CCP need to decide on what they want this game to be and then stick with it, with the addition of AA and improved hit detection TTK dropped drastically and speed tanking died to be replaced with Dual Tanking and high eHP Armor suits.1.8 damage is being reduced and with certain suits gaining resistances to certain weapon types this will increase TTK, by how much ? No-one will know, not even CCP until 1.8 drops and we get to 'test' the game for them and this is the curse of not play testing updates and patches before release. What if TTK is increased by too much and it takes a minute of 3 people firing to kill someone ? Does that mean 1.9 will see damage increased and resistances reduced to reduce TTK again ? Changes introduced that improve the game are great, repeated changes to the same thing because you can't balance it due to a lack of testing isn't and is one of the most frustrating things a game developer can do to it's player base !

-The decisions matter argument, I'm tired of listening to the flawed logic of mad men so I'm going to end this once and for all ... If the only changes to the game are the addition of new content then your decisions matter however when sweeping changes are made to existing content that fundamentally change the playstyle of that suit/weapon/vehicle then your decisions DON'T matter because what you end up with is something you skilled into for X Y Z reason and now that reason is no longer applicable and therefore a previously informed decision that you made has been rendered pointless as the information that you based that decision on has been changed.

EG If you were to invest into a business based on market trends, research, economics, accounts, share prices that specialised in producing electronic goods and then 1 year down the line they suddenly switched to selling soil which renders all the previous information you based the decision on meaningless you'd expect the option to pull your investment out of that business before they switched what the core of the business actually does. If you were told that you couldn't get your investment back because 'Your decisions matter' you'd shoot that argument down right there and then and maybe even the person telling you 'Your decisions matter' as well.

If your for or against an SP Refund then thats your prerogative but try and use a real reason that your against it rather than this argument, it doesn't cut the mustard anymore

Phew that's all for now

Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points -

- Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature.

- There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it.

On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :)

- We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day.

I hope that answers some of the questions you have.

Yes....but....if CCP fixed glaring issues faster than once a year and told us things or allowed devs or the CPM to tell us things, then we wouldnt be so angry and bitter. It helps to see ur at least trying and the current way they do things makes a lot of ppl upset. If it wasnt for the loyal fans of this game that have foresight, this game would be dead. Something CCP needs to really realize because not even us loyalists are going to stick around for many more ballkicks, in exchange for a promise of paradise.

Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points -

- Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature.

- There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it.

On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :)

- We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day.

I hope that answers some of the questions you have.

Seriously, CCP's interaction with its community is the best I've seen in the industry. While they're not here every single day whispering sweet nothings into the community's ear, they drop by and give updates from time to time and CCP Logibro and Saberwing do a fantastic job of being the link. And really, it's only been over the past 3 months that info's been super scarce and I imagine that's attributed to much of what Saberwing mentioned, namely the appointment of a new EP and clustered holidays.

There's work to be done communication wise; CPM1 needs to be developed into more of an analytical conduit of well thought out community feedback and opinion and the info/feedback loop needs to be refined but spitting acid and being a grumpy ******* full of scorn just isn't productive. Anyone who is being honest with themselves and puts themselves in that position where all they are getting for their efforts is vitriol should be able to see this. As I said, if I were a CCP dev I certainly wouldn't be motivated to come into these forums.

- We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!).

DUST is in a sorry State at the moment.. A Laggy, Glitchy, Crashing, 10 FPS, Unbalanced Lobby shooter on the PS3.n++

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Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points -

- Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature.

- There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it.

On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :)

- We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day.

I hope that answers some of the questions you have.

On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more.

DUST is in a sorry State at the moment.. A Laggy, Glitchy, Crashing, 10 FPS, Unbalanced Lobby shooter on the PS3.n++

but... this has ALWAYS been DUST... this isn't a "at the moment" thing.

There's always one... :)