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Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:40:00 - [1] - Quote TL;DR Just want to get a few things off my chest, I don't expect anyone to care or even read it all .. or even respond The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -We have an autocracy using the facade of a democracy. Those in positions of 'power' will always cater to the interests of those who put them in that position in the 1st place hence the CCP love in I see from prominent members in the community despite all of the mistakes that have been made and keep being made. -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. -The Tank 100% Nitrous mistake is absolutely horrific for a company of CCPs stature, being added at 100% n the 1st place is a minor mistake that is completely understandable but for that to then be added into the game is a total shambles .. did no-one check the changes before the patch was implemented ? These are absolute basics .. you add a change and you check it to make sure it's correct and then you confirm that it is right and patch it into the game. I'm not even talking about it actually being game tested either and whilst I think not game testing new content or changes is a fail I can understand they are restricted somewhat by Sony QA. -Balance will never be achieved until core fundamentals and mechanics are set in place. CCP need to decide on what they want this game to be and then stick with it, with the addition of AA and improved hit detection TTK dropped drastically and speed tanking died to be replaced with Dual Tanking and high eHP Armor suits.1.8 damage is being reduced and with certain suits gaining resistances to certain weapon types this will increase TTK, by how much ? No-one will know, not even CCP until 1.8 drops and we get to 'test' the game for them and this is the curse of not play testing updates and patches before release. What if TTK is increased by too much and it takes a minute of 3 people firing to kill someone ? Does that mean 1.9 will see damage increased and resistances reduced to reduce TTK again ? Changes introduced that improve the game are great, repeated changes to the same thing because you can't balance it due to a lack of testing isn't and is one of the most frustrating things a game developer can do to it's player base ! -The decisions matter argument, I'm tired of listening to the flawed logic of mad men so I'm going to end this once and for all ... If the only changes to the game are the addition of new content then your decisions matter however when sweeping changes are made to existing content that fundamentally change the playstyle of that suit/weapon/vehicle then your decisions DON'T matter because what you end up with is something you skilled into for X Y Z reason and now that reason is no longer applicable and therefore a previously informed decision that you made has been rendered pointless as the information that you based that decision on has been changed. EG If you were to invest into a business based on market trends, research, economics, accounts, share prices that specialised in producing electronic goods and then 1 year down the line they suddenly switched to selling soil which renders all the previous information you based the decision on meaningless you'd expect the option to pull your investment out of that business before they switched what the core of the business actually does. If you were told that you couldn't get your investment back because 'Your decisions matter' you'd shoot that argument down right there and then and maybe even the person telling you 'Your decisions matter' as well. If your for or against an SP Refund then thats your prerogative but try and use a real reason that your against it rather than this argument, it doesn't cut the mustard anymore Phew that's all for now
Vegetation Monster KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 193	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:44:00 - [2] - Quote swig. B Double O T Y
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:50:00 - [3] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: swig. 'Passes a fresh beer' Sorry I guess I got carried away there
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1221	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:56:00 - [4] - Quote CPM - With the elections coming up, now is your time to vote to elect the CPM candidate that best represents your views. I highly recommend to everyone to visit the council's chambers to see what they have to say and watch out for any new candidates that might be to your liking. QA Testing - Might as well not bother here. Sony wont allow CCP to create a test server that players can use and CCP doesnt play the game enough themselves to have any understanding of what works and what doesnt. Communication - Same as QA. People have been crying for better communication for the past year and all we got were a couple of trolls and a team that states "we are aware of the problem and are looking into it". The CPM is handcuffed by a NDA so they arent allowed to say anything that isnt vetted by CCP. Canari Elphus for CPM1
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:15:00 - [5] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: CPM - With the elections coming up, now is your time to vote to elect the CPM candidate that best represents your views. I highly recommend to everyone to visit the council's chambers to see what they have to say and watch out for any new candidates that might be to your liking. QA Testing - Might as well not bother here. Sony wont allow CCP to create a test server that players can use and CCP doesnt play the game enough themselves to have any understanding of what works and what doesnt. Communication - Same as QA. People have been crying for better communication for the past year and all we got were a couple of trolls and a team that states "we are aware of the problem and are looking into it". The CPM is handcuffed by a NDA so they arent allowed to say anything that isnt vetted by CCP. Elections are popularity contests not indicators of competency and the person that best represents my views is myself which is probably true for everyone. I know which is why I didn't say anything about RR/CR balance issues or Tank v AV balance issues but mistakes like 100% nitrous boost didn't need to be game tested to see that it was broken as a simple 2nd look would have rectified the problem and they are things that shouldn't happen in any company. Communications between CCP and the players is my concern, I'm completely discounting the CPMs due to the NDA and the NDA is one of the reasons I feel that we really don't need a CPM at all. CCP are the ones that need to engage with us more and they are the ones who can actually give us answers or feedback. BTW I'm not having a go at you, I realise that I didn't explain my points in the OP in great depth so I'm just trying to add some clarity to my points in relation to the points you brought up so thanks for the response
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1810	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:20:00 - [6] - Quote I personally don't think we shouldn't have a CPM. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Cotsy Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:05:00 - [7] - Quote It seems everyone is missing the point. There aren't problems with gameplay that are more pressing than matchmaking, sure... There are problems with weapon balance, sure. Heck, there are even problems with the lack of CCP activity in the forum...etc... But the real problem has to do with matchmaking system. The dust community is controlled by a few elite members of elite corps who don't see the unbalanced matchmaking system as a significant problem. Frankly, the think they deserve the right to do what 'I report you' Moody video shows. Matching players based on skill level (say SP tiers or average WP) is the only logical answer to so many questions: how do we grow the game, how do we get new players to stay, how do we create an enjoyable gameplay, how do we avoid epic Proto stomps, how do we avoid the ever growing gap between elite and middle of the road players. But here lies the problem, the elite don't like to or want to play each other. They leave lobbies when they see the other team composition of elite squads and prefer to stomp on lower tier players instead of risking a competitive match. Until the elite members of the community stop complaining about useless aspects of the game like redline hiding when they are Proto stomping or rail gun tank shooting them from inside the redline to 1m outside the redline where they are waiting to stomp this game we all play will never grow. Players will leave, noobs won't play more than a few matches. Lower tier players will give up and eventually middle of the road guys will just walk away from the game because the gap is too wide to be competitive. There is no problems bigger or that should be address with more pressing concerns than having a match where both parties have equal shot at winning and everyone in the match has a good chance at killing each other based on their SP and their skill level. Do what I did, create a character (mine wasn't placed in battleground for noobs) and join a match. It's nearly impossible to compete at any level below elite vs. elite corps. Dust 514 is two games, one played by the elite and one played by everyone else, it's just that we are in the same matches. So complain that you want this or that, but before you even worry about what tactics or OP or what weapon is OP etc... Worry about the matchmaking system, because it's not fun to be on either end of the stomp. - Cots

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 1965	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:44:00 - [8] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1287	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:51:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. owned.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 800	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:53:00 - [10] - Quote low genius wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. owned. That word must mean something else where you come from. He was not owned lol silly guy. Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3287	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:58:00 - [11] - Quote well, there you have it... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11551	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:59:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. Quoted for win Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9550	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:03:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. But barometers don't measure temperature, they measure atmospheric pressure. I smell a conspiracy. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1288	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:06:00 - [14] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: low genius wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. owned. That word must mean something else where you come from. He was not owned lol silly guy. in popular parlance... insta-blapped.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 1970	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:07:00 - [15] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: [ But barometers don't measure temperature, they measure atmospheric pressure. I smell a conspiracy. There's always one... :) CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 372	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:07:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. I alluded to this in another thread. If I were a dev I wouldn't exactly be foaming at the mouth to interact with a playerbase that continuously belittled and berated me and what I was doing with an onslaught of negativity and pessimism while not really offering anything constructive. I'd rather just knuckle down and do my job. Many in the community lack empathy and forget that the devs are people too and that they are doing a job just like everyone else and if these people claim that they would be fine with visiting a community full of hatred and vile on a regular basis for their job, I call BS. Seriously, "CCP sucks...CCP fail, DUST is dead, what a joke,.......errr...CCP come talk to me!" Yeah Ok... Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 802	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:08:00 - [17] - Quote low genius wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: low genius wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. owned. That word must mean something else where you come from. He was not owned lol silly guy. in popular parlance... insta-blapped. Just to clarify - It was just more typical CCP rhetoric. "We do hear you, blah blah soon". "Still undecided" "CCP Rouge is Jesus" I will believe it all when I see a difference. Right now its the same old same. Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:16:00 - [18] - Quote I think the Dev Hangout channel is great, I asked Saber every time I see him if he has any updates on Battle Arenas as they are the number one thing I want to see in this game. Think of things from a dev perspective, there truly is a lot of noise out there and it is probably quite difficult to figure out what is hype, overreaction, wrong, right, misquided, hyperbole, extreme, fair, balanced etc. Anyone who frequents the forums knows that opinions vary vastly around here, not to mention that an opinion can be very popular and still bad for the game. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Michael Pack Metalites 5	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:31:00 - [19] - Quote Sooo, Saberwing any news on any CCP game that may or may not be in development for the PS4? wink wink
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 77	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:42:00 - [20] - Quote saber i loved what you had to say and im glad but you all to understand most of us are losen hope and the char connections . It is the player /char connection that keeps ppl in game . we had 3 game modes ,pc is broken cause it feels to much like a board game , tank spam is off the charts, new player growth is low cause ccp wont do gear based matchs,ccp maps are very bad since 80% are open range king of the hill vs tanks 'railrifles and scramlers. I still have a little faith left ,there was a time when i played 16 hrs a day now im lucky to stand 4 or less . when ccp does any for this game the very frist question that should be asked is how some nuckle head will imbalance it . pc should not give isk , we should mine rare ore for eve ships and corps . to much to put down but so you know my 2cents for what its worth and am sleepy

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1720	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:53:00 - [21] - Quote What did we expect to get? No offense but CCP is on par with how they work and if they did it any differently we would probably **** and moan about that. Just let them work. They do read the forums, they do interact with players, they do test and they do work hard. Just relax and play another game for a while, it does help. Deep breaths and we'll all get through it. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Eberk Baldek Intara Direct Action Caldari State 35	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:33:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. ... We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. ... There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. ... On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) ... - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. ... The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!).... I've been reading the forums for some time now and I see quite a bit of repetition of the same points, complaints and questions. It's a bit chaotic and disorganized and it's easy to see how someone could miss the fact that their complaints and questions have already been addressed, albeit not definitively. So many threads are published so fast that many of these just quickly disappear on to page 3 or 4. If you're only looking at the forums once a week, you could easily miss them. CCP has answered these questions several times in different places, there has been no decision on the respec/refund yet and we'll get an answer by mid-march. And no one should have to answer the same questions over and over. Have pity on them for f@ck sake! You can either be patient or move on, your choice. They have a list of problems a mile long and they're prioritising and handling them as fast as they can with all the resources they can muster. And, what's worse, they have to do everything as a group/team. No one can do anything alone in a company as there's a hierarchy there and these things take time. COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: I alluded to this in another thread. If I were a dev I wouldn't exactly be foaming at the mouth to interact with a playerbase that continuously belittled and berated me and what I was doing with an onslaught of negativity and pessimism while not really offering anything constructive. I'd rather just knuckle down and do my job. Many in the community lack empathy and forget that the devs are people too and that they are doing a job just like everyone else and if these people claim that they would be fine with visiting a community full of hatred and vile on a regular basis for their job, I call BS. Seriously, "CCP sucks...CCP fail, DUST is dead, what a joke,.......errr...CCP come talk to me!" Yeah Ok... A lot of us here have anger issues, myself included, and although I myself have been angered, disappointed and disillusioned at times about various aspects of DUST 514, I do think that they're on the ball now, but the sheer scale and magnitude of the problems they're facing on this megaproject is the equivalent of opening up a ten-ton can of worms. They must be saying something like: "Where the hell do we start?" It's going to take them some time to clean this mess up and make something really worthwhile with it. Be patient, we'll probably get the notes for 1.8 within a couple of weeks and Fanfest in a few months will give us even more.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1401	Posted - 2014.02.25 07:39:00 - [23] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. But barometers don't measure temperature, they measure atmospheric pressure. I smell a conspiracy. Talks like Adam from Mythbusters .......Well, there-¦s your problem! grins <3 Saberwing You troll us, we troll you. It-¦s a love-hate relationship. Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2351	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:16:00 - [24] - Quote Cotsy wrote: The dust community is controlled by a few elite members of elite corps who don't see the unbalanced matchmaking system as a significant problem. Frankly, the think they deserve the right to do what 'I report you' Moody video shows. Matching players based on skill level (say SP tiers or average WP) is the only logical answer to so many questions: how do we grow the game, how do we get new players to stay, how do we create an enjoyable gameplay, how do we avoid epic Proto stomps, how do we avoid the ever growing gap between elite and middle of the road players. But here lies the problem, the elite don't like to or want to play each other. They leave lobbies when they see the other team composition of elite squads and prefer to stomp on lower tier players instead of risking a competitive match. Until the elite members of the community stop complaining about useless aspects of the game like redline hiding when they are Proto stomping or rail gun tank shooting them from inside the redline to 1m outside the redline where they are waiting to stomp this game we all play will never grow. Players will leave, noobs won't play more than a few matches. Lower tier players will give up and eventually middle of the road guys will just walk away from the game because the gap is too wide to be competitive. There is no problems bigger or that should be address with more pressing concerns than having a match where both parties have equal shot at winning and everyone in the match has a good chance at killing each other based on their SP and their skill level. - Cots Hi Cotsy, you may not read this but i'll respond anyways: I'm the CEO of a small corp called Fatal Absolution. We have about 65 active players that are very active. those 65 active players average about 60k kills a week...which is good enough to be in the top 3 this week among all corporations. We play PC, and probably fit the criteria of what you might claim as 'elite' (a pompous term i'd much prefer 'vet') As the CEO and having hand picked all but about 5 of the members in the corp, I fee like I can speak authoritatively in saying that you are incorrect about some of your assertions and assessments, insofar as FA represents a small portion of that 'vet' population. (and not all our guys are vets but most have been playing for 5+ months and about 20 of the 65 have been playing for over a year now, including myself) "the elite don't like to or want to play each other." I don't know why you think this but it's untrue. I LOVE playing competitively, it's a ton of fun. It's why i deal with the imperfections of PC to continue playing it. Because it's the only game mode where you can place 16 people on the same page vs your 16. "They leave lobbies when they see the other team composition of elite squads and prefer to stomp on lower tier players instead of risking a competitive match." The only time I leave a lobby is if I d/c or if I am solo, my team has no squads, and the enemy team has more than 6 players who share tags as someone else in the match, and i look at our team chat and notice the only people in a squad have like 2 people in NPC corps. This is because of my VAST experience playing public matches where as one player..vs an organized other side...you simply watch in horror as you strive to win despite the odds and the enemy team sends you gg's after you go 7/17 with 1800 wp's. I play the game to have fun...not get redlined by the opposing team because my team never had a chance. I leave hoping next game I find a better match, or i go join a squad and hope I see that same team. Whenever our guys see another squad on the other side I tell my guys "alright cats let's go hard" and we stop playing a pub like a pub and everyone puts game faces on...but you're right in the sentiment that this doesn't happen often. In actuality everyday I play a pub (not often because if you knew the first thing about me you'd know I only play pubs when I can't cap out by solely playing PC matches..or when i'm drunk running plasma cannons and scr pistols on militia scouts) I start out squadless...inevitably get beaten and sent volatile mail by some squad...so i go get a squad hoping to see other squads and smack them. I don't think i'm in the minority. I think if you knew a majority of the players you have opinions about you'd know a lot of us don't even like wearing proto full time (except logi's cause we like our shiny 4 proto equips) because advanced suits or lower help make us better for when we DO compete competitively vs full proto teams. Regardless of the misallocated frustration with a portion of the playerbase you really don't understand..matchmaking is difficult. I can tell you that if my squad doesn't mind I ask them if we can leave battles if i'm in a full squad of my own corpmates and try to reque up a few times hoping we DO find a squad of homies on the other team...but oftimes we get frustrated and end up playing w/e we are playing. Anyways: TL;DR 'vets' want gud fights. promise. matchmaking is broken. CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
G Torq ALTA B2O 442	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:27:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: [...]and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. People use facebook ?!? Google Plus Community Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 63	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:32:00 - [26] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: [ But barometers don't measure temperature, they measure atmospheric pressure. I smell a conspiracy. Well if you are measuring pressure changes for something to smell... Just stand near Godin when he sees a JLAV Message from Godin: brrrrpppp 'I just shart myself'
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 234	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:37:00 - [27] - Quote Lol ccp saberwing, what an absolute load of pr guff. Haven't decided on respecs yet? Hahahaha yea right, what is so ******* complicated? If you lie and steal you should expect 'noise' lol. Poor amateurish ccpee.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1581	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:50:00 - [28] - Quote .... did Op just notice a problem with elections? Oh the huge manatee... think of the Chaos *edit - sorry whoevers cleaning the thread The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 805	Posted - 2014.02.25 08:58:00 - [29] - Quote Drud Green wrote: Lol ccp saberwing, what an absolute load of pr guff. Haven't decided on respecs yet? Hahahaha yea right, what is so ***** complicated? If you lie and steal you should expect 'noise' lol. Poor amateurish ccpee. Thats exactly it isnt it. Its the same story, the same party line told over and over. We understand that you may not be decided on for instance "Respecs" but what would make us feel a whole lot better is your reasons. You could say - "We dislike the idea of respecs for this reason and that reason... we have been talking with the CPM and we are internally trying to find an area we can all agree on" or - "We are not giving any respecs because that breaks our core tennants for the eve universe, we understand this will upset players so in turn we will create more 3x sp events (For example) as a show of good will" We just want reasoning and what is being discussed. The fact that you reply to facebook or other bullst sites instead of your own forums is evident that you only do it for publicity sake. I may sound harsh but guys, there are many other games out there. MANY other games that are progressing so much faster. For instance Warframe. The devs say they want to do feature X and feature Y .... a month or two later there it is! A tangible thing in the game. I'm fed up of CCP talking about grand ideas but then getting no where. DUST 514 does have its merits, it could also be a really awesome game. However DUST is not the game CCP sold to us in ideas they pitched a year or two ago. Either show us you mean business by ACTUALLY showing change and interaction or ** it, people will stop playing. So many mistakes have been made. Granted you are only human but if you cannot learn from your mistakes in the past then you are DOOMED to failure. Join our public channel - A great place to hang out / find squads. ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB**
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1581	Posted - 2014.02.25 09:04:00 - [30] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Drud Green wrote: Lol ccp saberwing, what an absolute load of pr guff. Haven't decided on respecs yet? Hahahaha yea right, what is so ***** complicated? If you lie and steal you should expect 'noise' lol. Poor amateurish ccpee. Thats exactly it isnt it. Its the same story, the same party line told over and over. We understand that you may not be decided on for instance "Respecs" but what would make us feel a whole lot better is your reasons. You could say - "We dislike the idea of respecs for this reason and that reason... we have been talking with the CPM and we are internally trying to find an area we can all agree on" or - "We are not giving any respecs because that breaks our core tennants for the eve universe, we understand this will upset players so in turn we will create more 3x sp events (For example) as a show of good will" We just want reasoning and what is being discussed. The fact that you reply to facebook or other bullst sites instead of your own forums is evident that you only do it for publicity sake. I may sound harsh but guys, there are many other games out there. MANY other games that are progressing so much faster. For instance Warframe. The devs say they want to do feature X and feature Y .... a month or two later there it is! A tangible thing in the game. I'm fed up of CCP talking about grand ideas but then getting no where. DUST 514 does have its merits, it could also be a really awesome game. However DUST is not the game CCP sold to us in ideas they pitched a year or two ago. Either show us you mean business by ACTUALLY showing change and interaction or **** it, people will stop playing. So many mistakes have been made. Granted you are only human but if you cannot learn from your mistakes in the past then you are DOOMED to failure. If you cant see the downsides of a full respec then 'narrow minded' may be a bit difficult for you to comprehend. Not saying it might not be the lesser of 2 evils, but its definetly not as clear cut as you seem to think lol The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...



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