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Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:27:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. Thanks for the response although I do still have some responses to the points you made -Without being responded too the only way players know that they are being heard is when their ideas are implemented but this very rarely happens and is why to most of the player base, it feels like we are constantly ignored. You could add a little marker on the forums for each topic that gets a tick next to it when a DEV has visited it so at least the players know it has been looked at. I can accept that you may be too busy to make a response or indeed can't make a response due to vetting and NDA restrictions but knowing that it has at least been looked at would ease peoples minds, right now we have nothing but your word and with the current problems with the game like broken PC perma locking or matchmaking which have been around for a while and have been discussed in great detail by the community and still nothing has been done about them, it gives the impression that it is't being dealt with. When you add into that Soon TM and a history of taking months to get round to simple fixes the players start losing faith and we end up with the general disdain for 'We are looking into it' and as a result the community makes alot of noise and makes alot of complaints. This isn't due to the community being awful or horrible it is purely due to the frustration they feel when they see the same mistakes being repeated and is why we'd like more engagement between CCP and the players. Let's be frank here .. the players want this game to succeed just as much as CCP and is why the community is so vocal .. if they didn't care and wanted the game to fail they simply wouldn't play it. CCP need to stop treating us like fools and realise that as people who play this game (Alot more than CCP do) we can help them make this game into a success and maybe realise the pre BETA potential that got me playing this game in the 1st place. Afterall we are your target market and who better to improve the game than the very people your trying to 'sell' it too. - In regards to CCP Rouge we really will have to wait and see, 1.7 has been horrible .. (I'm infantry so yeah .. OP Tanks for 3 months was never going to make me go crazy for the game but thats a side issue) and we have had to deal with it for nearly 3 months and I haven't noticed anything different since CCP Rouge began his role. We have no idea what his intentions for the game are or what the roadmap is, we still aren't being informed on a regular basis about anything game related, we are still seeing glaring balance issues being made time and time again, we are still being told Soon TM. Actions speak louder than words and CCP haven't done anything different with CCP Rouge than they did previously.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 203	Posted - 2014.02.25 19:37:00 - [62] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. I like how it seems like we're asking for a Billion ISK each, or something unreasonable like asking to get back SP for investing in something you didn't have a choice about, like I don't know, the heavy class? 2 years it took for any racial suits to get here, and now there's a debate over at CCP about if people should be given a respec? lol You did have a choice.. I made the choice to not spec into dropsuits. 35m SP here.. only 1.6m in DS command. If there is a respec there is going to be hell to pay about Contacts and AUR reimbursement. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 100	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:03:00 - [63] - Quote Continued - That is just a standard Soon TM response which I am immune to, If you can't answer how and when then it's a waste of your time and my time. The point I was making wasn't about whether we should or shouldn't get an infantry SP refund it was saying that you clearly have some issues with granting one so it would be far better if these doubts or issues were expressed to the community. All it would take would be a 10 minute meeting where your doubts were noted down and then posted on the forums so we know why your finding it so hard to make a decision about it and it could be discussed amongst the players/CPMs/DEVS to reach a general consensus of possible alternatives or solutions. Right now we have no idea what is holding CCP back from making what a majority of the community thinks is a pretty easy decision. It isn't the lack of a definitive conclusion about yes or no to an SP refund it is the lack of communication about how the decision being reached. Anyway thanks for the response, even if we may not necessarily agree on certain issues it is better to know that your concerns have been noted than feel like your being ignored. Really the solution to all your problems would be to make Rinzler a DEV but sadly for CCP .. I fight for the User o7
The legend345 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 4424	Posted - 2014.02.25 20:22:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. Players do get heard! "we just don't do ** after we hear them out" GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Uprising God of Tanking** Oculus Rift
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4745	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:23:00 - [65] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. I like how it seems like we're asking for a Billion ISK each, or something unreasonable like asking to get back SP for investing in something you didn't have a choice about, like I don't know, the heavy class? 2 years it took for any racial suits to get here, and now there's a debate over at CCP about if people should be given a respec? lol You did have a choice.. I made the choice to not spec into dropsuits. 35m SP here.. only 1.6m in DS command. If there is a respec there is going to be hell to pay about Contacts and AUR reimbursement. you obviously didn't see the point. There was only one (1) heavy race for 2 years. If you wanted to play as a heavy, for 2 years you had no choice but to invest in the Amarr heavy suit. So no, there was no choice given to people who wanted to play the heavy. i have no idea how DS command ended up in this or AUR... or even "Contacts" ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2372	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:29:00 - [66] - Quote Oh ** Lance still patrols this **. I thought you were retired you old scalawag! CEO: FA B3RT > PFBHz > TP > IMP > FA @ZataraRought Skype: Zatara.Rought
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4747	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:30:00 - [67] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Oh ** Lance still patrols this *. I thought you were retired you old scalawag! i still pop up here and there in hopes that a miracle hit CCP and DUST becomes more than it currently is ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"*
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 133	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:39:00 - [68] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: you obviously didn't see the point. There was only one (1) heavy race for 2 years. If you wanted to play as a heavy, for 2 years you had no choice but to invest in the Amarr heavy suit. So no, there was no choice given to people who wanted to play the heavy. i have no idea how DS command ended up in this or AUR... or even "Contacts" I always love when people use that logic... you dont have to spec into that, you can just wait Yes, CCP created a game where the purpose is dont play if your basic content isnt available, check back periodically while your SP accumulates /s "Shine bright like a diamond"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4748	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:41:00 - [69] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: you obviously didn't see the point. There was only one (1) heavy race for 2 years. If you wanted to play as a heavy, for 2 years you had no choice but to invest in the Amarr heavy suit. So no, there was no choice given to people who wanted to play the heavy. i have no idea how DS command ended up in this or AUR... or even "Contacts" I always love when people use that logic... you dont have to spec into that, you can just wait Yes, CCP created a game where the purpose is dont play if your basic content isnt available, check back periodically while your SP accumulates /s wait 2+ years to play heavy in DUST... like a boss ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 204	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:46:00 - [70] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. Go Saber go Saber go! Go Saber go Saber go! FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment

lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 143	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:00:00 - [71] - Quote Honestly right now I feel like I am a fan of Rinzler XVIII, his ideas make sense to me, I have felt the same frustrations as he has. I also feel that certain members of CPM are abusive and just down right insulting to people basically telling them to shut up that their ideas do not matter. I am not sure if even having elections will matter or change this.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1775	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:17:00 - [72] - Quote I just want to say that I don't want to see dev responses in General Discussion, but in Feedback and Requests (now Features and Ideas). For example why aren't the devs creating and/or participating in the relevant threads about respecs, vehicle balance and medium suit stats just to name a few examples? When I say devs I also don't mean the community managers, as it should be the actual devs in charge of the specific stuff that comes in and, for example in the case of medium suit stats, explains what they plan to do with it. They're still being worked on, so they can't give final numbers, but they can tell us what they plan to do. Then we have a place to discuss these ideas with the devs because they should certainly stay in the discussion and reply. When I look at the forum section now I have to search for a good while to find any dev responses at all, even in the stickied threads there are practically none. That's simply disappointing. And yeah, Saberwing's response is just the same old stuff we heard 2 years ago. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4755	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:28:00 - [73] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: I just want to say that I don't want to see dev responses in General Discussion, but in Feedback and Requests (now Features and Ideas). For example why aren't the devs creating and/or participating in the relevant threads about respecs, vehicle balance and medium suit stats just to name a few examples? When I say devs I also don't mean the community managers, as it should be the actual devs in charge of the specific stuff that comes in and, for example in the case of medium suit stats, explains what they plan to do with it. They're still being worked on, so they can't give final numbers, but they can tell us what they plan to do. Then we have a place to discuss these ideas with the devs because they should certainly stay in the discussion and reply. When I look at the forum section now I have to search for a good while to find any dev responses at all, even in the stickied threads there are practically none. That's simply disappointing. And yeah, Saberwing's response is just the same old stuff we heard 2 years ago. You see where he replied? In a thread basically calling them out. It's a joke, and CCP continues to not care what people have to say... oh, maybe after someone calls them out on it. Countless re spec / sp refund threads, NOT A SINGLE REPLY... but when this OP say a couple things that might hurt some feelings, instant blue tag and a half baked answer at that. Devs don't care what people have to "suggest" about their game. Do people not realize DUST has been CCPs way or no way??? Only thing the community has any say on is nerfs and buffs, and even then it's usually because CCP messed up on a number. DUST has been in a steady state of mess since Uprising, when they decided that feedback wasn't their concern. I hope I get a dev reply to me, because I'm calling them out. In Chromosome they listened... since Uprising they don't care. I don't care what a dev comes and tells me, this is how it looks, and is the reason so many players left DUST, because the game failed, and the devs failed to listen. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Rusty Shallows 1036	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:35:00 - [74] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. I alluded to this in another thread. If I were a dev I wouldn't exactly be foaming at the mouth to interact with a playerbase that continuously belittled and berated me and what I was doing with an onslaught of negativity and pessimism while not really offering anything constructive. I'd rather just knuckle down and do my job. Many in the community lack empathy and forget that the devs are people too and that they are doing a job just like everyone else and if these people claim that they would be fine with visiting a community full of hatred and vile on a regular basis for their job, I call BS. Seriously, "CCP sucks...CCP fail, DUST is dead, what a joke,.......errr...CCP come talk to me!" Yeah Ok... That is the problem. A bunch of us were constructive in the old Feedback/Suggestions forum and it didn't have any appreciable effect. 2013 could be pretty much summed up with political nerfing and neglecting problems. To be fair their staff is probably dealing with so many things only so much can be done. They had to suspend PVE just to improvement general mechanics like hit-detection. That is a pretty big clue right there to their workload. With Uprising 1.7 it showed CCP essentially ignored those of us who were constructive and simply applied every nerf request made on the forums and IRC. It is hard if not impossible to be respectful or even courteous when the same isn't being applied to you. In my case it didn't help that every time I stuck up for them that year the changes always ended with a solid nerfing instead of a rebalance. I've run out of second, third, or fourth chances to pass out. CCP is going to have to earn it now. Good luck Devs, those are some serious complex problems you have to deal with. Kudos to CCP Saberwing for taking the OPs questions on in a professional manner. Both of them handled this well. PS a shout out to CCP Remnant. He informed us as to why the original Mass Driver erroneous nerfing happened at Uprising 1.0. Otherwise we'd still be in the dark and be reduced to cynical sarcasm. It takes strong character to step-up like that. As much as I despise CCP right now CCP Remnant still has my utmost respect and admiration. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1222	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:36:00 - [75] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process Hi Saberwing I would really, really like to see a dev blog expanding on this. Pretty please with Morphite on top? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1776	Posted - 2014.02.25 22:45:00 - [76] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: You see where he replied? In a thread basically calling them out. It's a joke, and CCP continues to not care what people have to say... oh, maybe after someone calls them out on it. Countless re spec / sp refund threads, NOT A SINGLE REPLY... but when this OP say a couple things that might hurt some feelings, instant blue tag and a half baked answer at that. Devs don't care what people have to "suggest" about their game. Do people not realize DUST has been CCPs way or no way??? Only thing the community has any say on is nerfs and buffs, and even then it's usually because CCP messed up on a number. DUST has been in a steady state of mess since Uprising, when they decided that feedback wasn't their concern. I hope I get a dev reply to me, because I'm calling them out. In Chromosome they listened... since Uprising they don't care. I don't care what a dev comes and tells me, this is how it looks, and is the reason so many players left DUST, because the game failed, and the devs failed to listen. Oh I know. Their "Your feedback on Dust 514 matters!" newsletter amused me a great deal. Although I do disagree about them listening in Chromosome, as I don't believe they've ever listened. Chromosome wasn't really all that great either. But yeah, there's practically zero non-community managers dev responses on these forums (or anywhere for that matter). Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 204	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:53:00 - [77] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: There was only one (1) heavy race for 2 years. If you wanted to play as a heavy, for 2 years you had no choice but to invest in the Amarr heavy suit. So no, there was no choice given to people who wanted to play the heavy. i have no idea how DS command ended up in this or AUR... or even "Contacts" I play heavy.. ask anyone in my corp. I'll eve post some video if you like which is my main play-style. I have max skills in Forge Gun and have been having tons of fun with the heavy event using a HMG which I have no skills in beside level 3. You have to use your skillpoints wisely. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 118	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:35:00 - [78] - Quote BTW I just want to thank everyone who spent anytime reading the OP, I know it was alot of text and honestly I wasn't expecting anyone to respond/read it and was braced for being trolled. So thank you for considering my points seriously and responding in due diligence its much appreciated !! o7
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 708	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:15:00 - [79] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: BTW I just want to thank everyone who spent anytime reading the OP, I know it was alot of text and honestly I wasn't expecting anyone to respond/read it and was braced for being trolled. So thank you for considering my points seriously and responding in due diligence its much appreciated !! o7 well thought out arguments Rinzler. Fastest way to clear up all the negativity would be a rapid improvement of the game but I'm not expecting miracles. Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 537	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:22:00 - [80] - Quote /sigh This is one of the worst communities I've ever seen in any game. The only thing that comes to mind for comparison is the Asura, Bakasura. No matter what it receives, it still wants more to cram into it's face. Nothing ever satiates it. CCP can continue to keep adding content, and it's not good enough. More needs to be added NAOW. CCP can try to fix matchmaking, and then while it's slightly better then before...no, it then claims matchmaking is as bad as it was in closed beta and nothings changed. CCP can attempt to provide more communication then they previously did, succeed at it...then get thrashed by the forums saying they are never around and ignoring us. CCP can respond to a few threads about a specific topic, but it's not good enough, they have to respond to EVERY thread and repeat the same thing over and over again just to fill it's stomach. I would actually be satisfied if CCP just canned the entire game. Many of you don't deserve to play any game with your unquenchable thirsts and self entitled attitudes. CCP may have dug the hole they are currently in, but this community keeps piling on dirt to make sure it stays that way. /sigh

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4762	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:30:00 - [81] - Quote lol fanboy alert. The reason people are here is because they are / were passionate about the game, and people that are passionate tend to get angry / disappointed / frustrated when things fail to meet expectations. To be honest, most expectations here aren't even that high. Oh wow we're getting new heavy suits... after 2 years of playing the game they NOW bringing them. Yea congrats CCP, new content. Forgive people for not praising and bowing down to CCP for giving them something they've wanted for a long time. "Satisfaction is the death of desire" When people are satisfied with this game, they'll get bored and move on. In other cases, the lack of content, and the lack of a game that isn't a sub par lobby shooter will chase or already chase the majority of its fans away. So you feel free to give CCP a pat on the back, and a "good job" speech. I don't even play this game anymore, but i want this game to be good when it reaches PS4 2023 (when the PS5 coming out), so I'll continue my cynical tirades. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 537	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:39:00 - [82] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: lol fanboy alert. The reason people are here is because they are / were passionate about the game, and people that are passionate tend to get angry / disappointed / frustrated when things fail to meet expectations. To be honest, most expectations here aren't even that high. Oh wow we're getting new heavy suits... after 2 years of playing the game they NOW bringing them. Yea congrats CCP, new content. Forgive people for not praising and bowing down to CCP for giving them something they've wanted for a long time. "Satisfaction is the death of desire" When people are satisfied with this game, they'll get bored and move on. In other cases, the lack of content, and the lack of a game that isn't a sub par lobby shooter will chase or already chase the majority of its fans away. So you feel free to give CCP a pat on the back, and a "good job" speech. I don't even play this game anymore, but i want this game to be good when it reaches PS4 2023 (when the PS5 coming out). I've been waiting on new Heavy Suits and Heavy weapons for a half a year less then you. I don't like what's happened in many builds. After dealing with godmode tanks pre chrome, then having to deal with slightly weaker versions now, I've taken a break from Dust until HAV's are once again playing inside the mortal realm. I've had to deal with months of having my HMG be **, then way too powerful, then again, then for some reason ground into the ground where an SMG provided better DPS, and enjoyed it staying that way for a few more months before finding out the HMG wasn't even working as intended from the very beginning. Now I get the only other weapon i used turned into a water balloon who's only reliable job is to make the HAV's so damn wet they finally leave for 30 seconds to get a change of clothing. I dislike many of CCP's practices and what they've currently done throughout my year and a half of playing, and have gotten extremely annoyed and frustrated...but it doesn't change the fact this is one of the worst communities in any game I've ever played. So how about you try and twist that ** into fanboyism. Edit - Oh yea, and i forgot to mention prior to my FG being nerfed, i was using it for over a year with hit detection problems on the client/server side that was so bad, every shot had a 50% chance of dealing only splash damage, or no damage at all. You aren't the only person who has suffered playing this game, but damn are you delusional if you don't see the community as being a huge part of the problem, and the progress CCP has made since launc, regardless of it's snails pace.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 364	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:55:00 - [83] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. Im glad there was a Dev response. But this merc is absolutely correct about this "your decisions matter" bullshit, ive been saying this for a long time, constant re balancing means our decisions mean **. Every time you have changed my suit role bonus, changed my cpu, nerfed the weapon I picked for my suit, YOU CCP made a decision thst superseded my own, my choice was pointless.. . As for matchmaking the frustrating part about matchmaking is that its never been fixed and patch after patch they tell us it is, and thats why we put up with scotty, fatal errors, hard freezes, news flash ccp when your breaks my my new will have a 4 on it not a 3. This stuff NEVER gets fixed... RDV are still *** up all the time, fatal errors are happening more, theres some new crazy stupid lag in the servers everyone knows it, its not framerate drop, terrain terrain terrain same horrible glitches that have been here from the get go, FIX THE DAMN TERRAIN, they say every patch improvements to matchmaking... How? When? I you not I was inma server last week with 2 full qsync squads against my team of 0 squads, thats a mistake? 2 stats need to go into the matchmaking algorithm wp per game and kills per game,, try that out, its worked for other shooters since THEY EXISTED.... How long are we going to have to deal with rdvs rubber banding? Staying in place after they drop my lav? Glitched links that spawn you underground in green on IRON DELTA? Friendly rail tanks shooting my dropship on takeoff to knock me into something? I could go on and on, the point is this game is as full of **** glitches as it ever was, PLUS you keep changing my choices, damn can we focus on one and get that 100 percent and then move on, not 75 until we change this and then come back blah blah blah
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1302	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:17:00 - [84] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. Im glad there was a Dev response. But this merc is absolutely correct about this "your decisions matter" bullshit, ive been saying this for a long time, constant re balancing means our decisions mean **. Every time you have changed my suit role bonus, changed my cpu, nerfed the weapon I picked for my suit, YOU CCP made a decision thst superseded my own, my choice was pointless.. . As for matchmaking the frustrating part about matchmaking is that its never been fixed and patch after patch they tell us it is, and thats why we put up with scotty, fatal errors, hard freezes, news flash ccp when your breaks my my new will have a 4 on it not a 3. This stuff NEVER gets fixed... RDV are still *** up all the time, fatal errors are happening more, theres some new crazy stupid lag in the servers everyone knows it, its not framerate drop, terrain terrain terrain same horrible glitches that have been here from the get go, FIX THE DAMN TERRAIN, they say every patch improvements to matchmaking... How? When? I you not I was inma server last week with 2 full qsync squads against my team of 0 squads, thats a mistake? 2 stats need to go into the matchmaking algorithm wp per game and kills per game,, try that out, its worked for other shooters since THEY EXISTED.... How long are we going to have to deal with rdvs rubber banding? Staying in place after they drop my lav? Glitched links that spawn you underground in green on IRON DELTA? Friendly rail tanks shooting my dropship on takeoff to knock me into something? I could go on and on, the point is this game is as full of **** glitches as it ever was, PLUS you keep changing my choices, damn can we focus on one and get that 100 percent and then move on, not 75 until we change this and then come back blah blah blah as if they haven't been fixing stuff non stop due to forum qq for the last year...
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 364	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:29:00 - [85] - Quote low genius wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. Im glad there was a Dev response. But this merc is absolutely correct about this "your decisions matter" bullshit, ive been saying this for a long time, constant re balancing means our decisions mean **. Every time you have changed my suit role bonus, changed my cpu, nerfed the weapon I picked for my suit, YOU CCP made a decision thst superseded my own, my choice was pointless.. . As for matchmaking the frustrating part about matchmaking is that its never been fixed and patch after patch they tell us it is, and thats why we put up with scotty, fatal errors, hard freezes, news flash ccp when your breaks my my new will have a 4 on it not a 3. This stuff NEVER gets fixed... RDV are still *** up all the time, fatal errors are happening more, theres some new crazy stupid lag in the servers everyone knows it, its not framerate drop, terrain terrain terrain same horrible glitches that have been here from the get go, FIX THE DAMN TERRAIN, they say every patch improvements to matchmaking... How? When? I you not I was inma server last week with 2 full qsync squads against my team of 0 squads, thats a mistake? 2 stats need to go into the matchmaking algorithm wp per game and kills per game,, try that out, its worked for other shooters since THEY EXISTED.... How long are we going to have to deal with rdvs rubber banding? Staying in place after they drop my lav? Glitched links that spawn you underground in green on IRON DELTA? Friendly rail tanks shooting my dropship on takeoff to knock me into something? I could go on and on, the point is this game is as full of ** glitches as it ever was, PLUS you keep changing my choices, damn can we focus on one and get that 100 percent and then move on, not 75 until we change this and then come back blah blah blah as if they haven't been fixing stuff non stop due to forum qq for the last year... Really, name it noob? Cant speak for the sound of sluts, but IDIC has been here for this year you speak of so you tell me what the ** has been fixed? This cute little ccp f u c k boy, whered you get this dude saberwing? Pull him off your sack?
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 148	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:50:00 - [86] - Quote Balance, PVE, and redline removal. "Anybody order chaos?"
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2014.02.26 04:59:00 - [87] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: low genius wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: The players just don't get an opportunity to get their voices heard which is why I hate the CPMs and their roles within the community. They basically give CCP an excuse to not talk to the players directly and instead converse with people they cherry picked to be our voices and often alot of player concerns are overlooked or not fought for strongly enough because certain CPMs may not feel the same way as the community. We desperately need better lines of communication between the players and the DEVs, look at the respec discussion thread .. why hasn't a DEV come out and said we are dragging our feet about giving an infantry respec because of X Y Z or we aren't giving one because of X Y Z so the players and DEVs can actually talk it through and make sure if it was given that it was done properley ? The player base are the real testers of this game so why do CCP ignore us and not engage with us ? -Right now there is no-one actively holding CCP to account or making them question how they are doing things and personally I feel that they are getting let off way to lightly. This game has fantastic potential, if I didn't believe that then I wouldn't still be playing this game which is why when I see the same mistakes being repeated and still people are praising them it's extremely disappointing because no one prominent is actively criticising them for all the bad things that they've done. Hi Rinzler. Let me address some of your points - - Players do get heard. We patrol our forums continuously (even if every thread doesn't necessarily have a response!) What is difficult to understand on the flip side is the sheer level of noise out there - and that's why the CPM serve as a fantastic barometer for overall Community temperature. - There are several lines of communication between players and Developers - to say otherwise is simply not true. Many of us go out of our way to interact with players across numerous channels. I've recently set up the in-game DevHangout channel (and frequent it several times per week), spend time in the #DUST514 IRC, and personally reply to almost every Facebook message to the DUST 514 page. Many of us even use our personal Twitter/social media accounts to interact with players. It's important to remember that not everyone has the thick skin required to interact with players, but those of us that do really enjoy it. On the topic of respecs, I have mentioned in numerous threads that a decision has not yet been reached and that I'll provide you with an update when I know more. For the record - the CPM are also pushing on this. :) - We are absolutely holding ourselves accountable and question everything we are doing. The arrival of CCP Rouge has completely revamped our Development Process and I've never felt more confident in the future of DUST (even though I've only been here for about 6 months!). To say that we do not face criticism is again not only untrue but also unfair, because the Developers that take the time to interact with players face more than their fair share every day. I hope that answers some of the questions you have. Im glad there was a Dev response. But this merc is absolutely correct about this "your decisions matter" bullshit, ive been saying this for a long time, constant re balancing means our decisions mean **. Every time you have changed my suit role bonus, changed my cpu, nerfed the weapon I picked for my suit, YOU CCP made a decision thst superseded my own, my choice was pointless.. . As for matchmaking the frustrating part about matchmaking is that its never been fixed and patch after patch they tell us it is, and thats why we put up with scotty, fatal errors, hard freezes, news flash ccp when your breaks my my new will have a 4 on it not a 3. This stuff NEVER gets fixed... RDV are still *** up all the time, fatal errors are happening more, theres some new crazy stupid lag in the servers everyone knows it, its not framerate drop, terrain terrain terrain same horrible glitches that have been here from the get go, FIX THE DAMN TERRAIN, they say every patch improvements to matchmaking... How? When? I you not I was inma server last week with 2 full qsync squads against my team of 0 squads, thats a mistake? 2 stats need to go into the matchmaking algorithm wp per game and kills per game,, try that out, its worked for other shooters since THEY EXISTED.... How long are we going to have to deal with rdvs rubber banding? Staying in place after they drop my lav? Glitched links that spawn you underground in green on IRON DELTA? Friendly rail tanks shooting my dropship on takeoff to knock me into something? I could go on and on, the point is this game is as full of ** glitches as it ever was, PLUS you keep changing my choices, damn can we focus on one and get that 100 percent and then move on, not 75 until we change this and then come back blah blah blah as if they haven't been fixing stuff non stop due to forum qq for the last year... Really, name it noob? Cant speak for the sound of sluts, but IDIC has been here for this year you speak of so you tell me what the ** has been fixed? This cute little ccp f u c k boy, whered you get this dude saberwing? Pull him off your sack? Marvin Gaye would say you need sexual healing
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 367	Posted - 2014.02.26 05:03:00 - [88] - Quote Marvin was the man and hed be right....
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2014.02.26 05:11:00 - [89] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Marvin was the man and hed be right.... Weren't you in another thread asking why you weren't able to use an OB after getting 2500 WPs? I don't think you've been around long enough to know of anything thats been fixed in this game.
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 148	Posted - 2014.02.26 05:23:00 - [90] - Quote I'm sorry, but something about the rail rifle should've screamed OP?! Most of the games mega powerful weapons are short range, long range but low rate of fire, or both. The rail is everything good, and nothing bad. How does one manage to keep making weapons that they have to nerf? Every single new weapon has to be nerfed in this game?! You mean to tell me that hasn't been figured out yet? I call bs! I swear if the next new weapon is OP after all these post about the rr and cr I'm throwing in the towel! You can't keep giving players the "I win button" in hopes that proto bears don't notice and exploit it. It doesn't help new players stay. It gets them stomped worst! My frustration is with them saying "use tactics and strategy", but we all know that it won't work on elite corps because they'll just rr you to death! Or get 6 blaster tanks, and camp the only point you have lol! Yes I'm sure by now, before someone plays captain obvious, that you know that I know how to counter this bs. But at what cost? You've seen the battles with one squad going absolutely loco, but still loosing because their blues gave up when they saw proto suits?! 6 guys got 1500+ wp's a piece while the other 9 are below 400?! Opposite team has a full house with over 1,000 wp's a piece, but matchmaking is better right? Whole team of ancient exiles, outer heaven, and teamplayers vs. A full team of players with less than 5 mil sp is not even close to fair?! Not gone start on tanks because if you don't see it by now you're blind! For the sake of argument let's all agree that things aren't going exactly as CCP planned, but since were all still here. That means we are willing to wait for it to get better. Emphasis on "better" CCP. I started back using my shotgun because I'm sick of being outgunned by rr and cr in every engagement. I don't like them enough to spec into em solid. Sorry?! And I like how the shotgun dispatches protos making all that strafing to dodge bullets like the matrix irrelevant! BANG! One shot and I'm hacking the point! No rail chewing through 700 armor and 200 shield in .005 seconds. I don't have time to play bully vs midget with the ridiculous range of that weapon. And the thought of how much that proto suit cost when my shotgun opens them up like a can of tuna is satisfying as hell!!! Fotm didn't save you that time lol! Now I'm ranting, but CCP please were rooting for you! "Anybody order chaos?"



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