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Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 162	Posted - 2014.02.20 15:58:00 - [31] - Quote they complain that AD'S nad std DS in general are underpowere.d now when you get into any game mod with 6 asault dropship's all pakcing xt missiles. you tell me other wise. trust me. 6 assault dropships with xt missiles is death for anything, forge gunner, even rail tanks, that rail tank can be deep in the redline but when you combine dropship speed with xt missiles x6. it aint ganna last long.
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 79	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:03:00 - [32] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: ADSes are the most powerful thing in the game, so why complain? So, which kind of controlled substance is your favorite? Seriously, drop ships?!?! Having a dropship is good, but it has plenty of good counters. They rock anytime they take serious hits it seems, and that can send them into buildings. They still take decent damage from AV, especially my mlt forge. And hello, how about fielding your own ADS? He can't fire at ground troops willy-nilly if you're hitting him from another ADS. Yes, it does take some skill to hit an ADS with your rail turret, whether tank or turret installation. But tanks can be pretty safe from ADS, while the same cannot be said in reverse. (re: Judge's video.) Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
AP Grasshopper Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 182	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:04:00 - [33] - Quote Railguns do atleast 400dps more than I think they should at the moment. 1400 is excessive when combined with all that range and accuracy. A Blaster for example only does 970dps with 1/3 the effective range with fall off. IAFG does 500 dps. Caldari rail tech is awesome when compared to Blaster tech whether it be the assault rifles, the specialty weapons or vehicle turrets. It's amazing. Think about it... Caldari -Railgun -Rail Rifle -Sniper Rifle -Swarm Launcher Gallente -Blaster -Assault Rifle -Shotgun -Plasma Cannon If you were to choose one group, either caldari or gallente for your team to use exclusively only those 4 weapons. Which team would you want to be on?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 934	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:10:00 - [34] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Forge's wreck them. This, but at least a dropship has a chance against 1 forgegunner, one militia railtank with either a semi competent pilot or a complacent DS pilot equals dead dropship. Even good dropships don't stand much of a chance against 2 good forge gunners, DS will again by a victim of the no doubt incoming AV buff. thank goodness. Who wants some?
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 63	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:16:00 - [35] - Quote We always attempt to balance against assault dropships, but that makes all the standard dropships useless to fly. Unlike an assault, standard dropships don't have the speed to avoid rail tanks. How can you support your team if you need to hover at max hight the entire game. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11234	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:31:00 - [36] - Quote My favorite part about people who cry OP when it comes to ADS is when you suggest they fly themselves, and they clam up because they can't even get the thing off the ground, let alone rake in kill after kill while avoiding all manner of AV from enemy players to enemy null cannons, MCC missiles, MCCs themselves, RDVs, buildings, being flipped almost completely over by MLT swarms, etc etc etc. Get on our level bro Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 936	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:38:00 - [37] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: My favorite part about people who cry OP when it comes to ADS is when you suggest they fly themselves, and they clam up because they can't even get the thing off the ground, let alone rake in kill after kill while avoiding all manner of AV from enemy players to enemy null cannons, MCC missiles, MCCs themselves, RDVs, buildings, being flipped almost completely over by MLT swarms, etc etc etc. Get on our level bro Proto forge should be the hard counter to any vehicle. Sadly I have to use a rail tank to save money. You pilots are skilled. Its too bad you have to camp a cru or spawn to rack up kills. I love seeing dropships eat tanks. Or clear off buildings. If I see one killing blueberries or it takes a single shot at me it has to die. You could survive way longer if you see me and look the other way. Same for tanks. Who wants some?
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 11	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:39:00 - [38] - Quote Redline tanks suck so now iv learnt to boom boom lav in to the red to the tanks surprise. I don't think there's a problem with rails damage just there fire rate and elevation. Forge gun work well more then one you might want to bug out tho lol. Swarms poor swarms only good for knocking my ship around. If your 1m to high you can't see the infantry. so remove the redline give swarms some love slow rails fire rate just a little. Power to the people Erm clones. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11237	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:41:00 - [39] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: My favorite part about people who cry OP when it comes to ADS is when you suggest they fly themselves, and they clam up because they can't even get the thing off the ground, let alone rake in kill after kill while avoiding all manner of AV from enemy players to enemy null cannons, MCC missiles, MCCs themselves, RDVs, buildings, being flipped almost completely over by MLT swarms, etc etc etc. Get on our level bro Proto forge should be the hard counter to any vehicle. Sadly I have to use a rail tank to save money. You pilots are skilled. Its too bad you have to camp a cru or spawn to rack up kills. I love seeing dropships eat tanks. Or clear off buildings. If I see one killing blueberries or it takes a single shot at me it has to die. You could survive way longer if you see me and look the other way. Same for tanks. I get killed by skilled proto forge guns all the time as an Incubus. Pythons have a bit too much against current AV when you consider everything but small railguns do their bonus damage to armor instead of shields, and pythons are faster, more agile, have FAR better anti infantry capability, and have a smaller profile with harder to hit weak spots. We just need anti shield AV and it should even itself out pretty well. If you can't kill an Incubus with a proto forge then you're just bad. At the very least you will force that ship to disengage, and if you bring just a single friend with a forge or swarm in your railgun LAV you should have no trouble keeping him from doing anything very useful. Also, I rarely camp CRUs (when I do it's because I'm covering it waiting for a blue to hack), I get almost all my kills on the fly, so to speak. Camping is strictly against OSG battle doctrine, and it's something that I've looked down upon since the very beginning. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4851	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:55:00 - [40] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Atiim wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. I'm going to have to stop you there. My Incubus costs 375K ISK. A redline railgunner can use a fit ~70K ISK and three shot me before my Incubus can even turn properly. This is why railguns are unbalanced. Not the fact they can kill - but the kill they give is cheap and you feel cheated. A MLT Shotgun can 3 shot my 245k Logi suit. Nerf Shotguns. I was unaware mlt shotguns could kill from 400 meters away while being impervious to counter attack You sure enlightened me there. Alright fine you win. I'll make a thread requesting a nerf to the NT-511 Sniper Rifle. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub AFK No seriously. My lunch break's over now. :(

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4853	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:58:00 - [41] - Quote Before we give the Railgun the Ye Old Nerf Hammer, we should probably address damage mods and map design first. Maybe even have longer travel time for the rail? Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub AFK No seriously. My lunch break's over now. :(
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 76	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:00:00 - [42] - Quote I kind of agree with the OP on this one. Rail gun tanks are about the only thing keeping ADS's in check at the moment. Swarms are a joke to a good dropship pilot, and forge guns, while relatively effective, take about three shots to kill a dropship, even without its' hardeners. If the piloting system was more like Battlefield, or rather, the ejection system, you could perhaps RE a dropship, but the ejection mechanics suck in this game, so meh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5ljm9vw7c&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLf9aY0O5ldbKK894JfQ65I8r-wkpuFWFa Short story short, I don't think they're OP, the skill required to use them and the Isk invested sort of balances things out, but at the moment, there's nothing else that can really kill a good dropship pilot short of ramming and rail gun turrets. Even concentrated AV fire is shrugged off in most cases, with multiple proto forge gunners being about the only thing that can make a dropship pilot fly for the hills. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11239	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:05:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Atiim wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. I'm going to have to stop you there. My Incubus costs 375K ISK. A redline railgunner can use a fit ~70K ISK and three shot me before my Incubus can even turn properly. This is why railguns are unbalanced. Not the fact they can kill - but the kill they give is cheap and you feel cheated. A MLT Shotgun can 3 shot my 245k Logi suit. Nerf Shotguns. I was unaware mlt shotguns could kill from 400 meters away while being impervious to counter attack You sure enlightened me there. Alright fine you win. I'll make a thread requesting a nerf to the NT-511 Sniper Rifle. I didn't know the sniper rifle could take out infantry and vehicles alike, and require an orbital or damage stacked railgun to counter. Again, you enlighten me. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Chuckles Brown 102	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:28:00 - [44] - Quote Yes, I watched Judge's video. And it was articulated complaining. 1. He showed himself shooting at a dropship with a railgun, and failed. That proves it takes at least some practice. 2. Tanks sit in the redline because of the very slow tracking speed, turret speed, and poor turret angles. An ADS has the entire sky, a rail has <1% of it to shoot into. Even in Ambush a rail has to be far back as they can get to compete with an ADS. 3. ADS vs a Railgun Tank? ADS can destroy a tank better than anything in the game. XT-1s are crazy powerful. If it wasn't for the redline, that tank would be a coffin for for a ADS to nail shut. 4. ADSes are dangerous to your team, so they should be destroyed as a first priority. 5. Going back to my OP. If it wasn't for rails, what would stop a ADS from raining complete destruction in a match? In 1.7 I'm seeing ADSes go 30/40-0 in matches constantly. Their is ONE thing that counters your destruction capability and you complain?? 6. How many shots miss you and/or do avoid before you finally get shot down? Shooting an ADS that doesn't have a hardener, afterrburner, and is in sight of the <1% of the sky you can patrol is a narrow window to be killed. Perhaps become a better pilot? Judge's video also had flaws and misinformation, as it was just well structured b*tching and delusion. The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4856	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:30:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't know the sniper rifle could take out infantry and vehicles alike, and require an orbital or damage stacked railgun to counter. Again, you enlighten me. I'll grab the Pitch Forks, and you can get the Clubs. We're nerfing 20GJ Particle Cannons now. Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub AFK No seriously. My lunch break's over now. :(
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11241	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:35:00 - [46] - Quote Atiim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't know the sniper rifle could take out infantry and vehicles alike, and require an orbital or damage stacked railgun to counter. Again, you enlighten me. I'll grab the Pitch Forks, and you can get the Clubs. We're nerfing 20GJ Particle Cannons now. I've actually proposed general buffs to railguns in exchange for removing their stupid redline crutch, the real culprit when it comes to railgun damage is being able to stack damage mods. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Chuckles Brown 102	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:36:00 - [47] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't know the sniper rifle could take out infantry and vehicles alike, and require an orbital or damage stacked railgun to counter. Again, you enlighten me. Sounds like you just described your ADS... SO, YOU AGREE WITH MY OP! Ha! The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11241	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:38:00 - [48] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't know the sniper rifle could take out infantry and vehicles alike, and require an orbital or damage stacked railgun to counter. Again, you enlighten me. Sounds like you just described your ADS... SO, YOU AGREE WITH MY OP! Ha! Hardly, I've already stated that bad players who try to solo with swarm launchers can't kill us, and that Pythons have added defense in the fact that no AV does bonus damage to shields But, that would require reading on your part, and you're just whining because you got raped by a good pilot. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Chuckles Brown 102	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:49:00 - [49] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't know the sniper rifle could take out infantry and vehicles alike, and require an orbital or damage stacked railgun to counter. Again, you enlighten me. Sounds like you just described your ADS... SO, YOU AGREE WITH MY OP! Ha! Hardly, I've already stated that bad players who try to solo with swarm launchers can't kill us, and that Pythons have added defense in the fact that no AV does bonus damage to shields But, that would require reading on your part, and you're just whining because you got raped by a good pilot. Didn't you post a video of you wrecking with an ADS? What is your KD and score with an ADS? Because I've yet to see you get shot down in game. Are you going broke flying DSes? I already stated piloting takes skills. But without rails what would stop you? The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11243	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:54:00 - [50] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't know the sniper rifle could take out infantry and vehicles alike, and require an orbital or damage stacked railgun to counter. Again, you enlighten me. Sounds like you just described your ADS... SO, YOU AGREE WITH MY OP! Ha! Hardly, I've already stated that bad players who try to solo with swarm launchers can't kill us, and that Pythons have added defense in the fact that no AV does bonus damage to shields But, that would require reading on your part, and you're just whining because you got raped by a good pilot. Didn't you post a video of you wrecking with an ADS? What is your KD and score with an ADS? Because I've yet to see you get shot down in game. Are you going broke flying DSes? I already stated piloting takes skills. But without rails what would stop you? I have never once proposed the removal of railguns, because I'm not ***** ****. It's the redline that's the issue. Both players should have the opportunity to engage each other at all times. The redline is a ***** abomination and needs to go in favor of something more sane and more seated in lore and realism. I've posted a couple videos, and those are from months of playtime and literally over a year of learning how to pilot. Any dumbass can grab a MLT tank, stack damage mods, hug the redline and keep us from doing our job. I die to forge guns often enough if they can aim because they do bonus damage to my ship, my ship is much slower than a python, and I have larger weakspots. I was going broke but I won one of Castors giveaways, not that I would have needed it if I hadn't burned nearly 100 million ISK trying to be a dedicated Prometheus pilot when Uprising launched. (1.4 million ISK paper airplanes anyone?) I have stated on numerous occasions that swarms need a tiny buff to damage and a healthy buff to projectile speed, and that plasma cannons need a reason to exist period. Also, as I have yet again already stated, all it takes to keep an ADS from being too useful is two AV players in a Railgun LAV chasing him around the map. At best he will be fleeing most of the time and hugging the flight ceiling, while you are still useful against tanks and other LAVs, as well as acting as emergency hackers if an area is clear. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 942	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:58:00 - [51] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. I'm going to have to stop you there. My Incubus costs 375K ISK. A redline railgunner can use a fit ~70K ISK and three shot me before my Incubus can even turn properly. This is why railguns are unbalanced. Not the fact they can kill - but the kill they give is cheap and you feel cheated. I got a boundless hmg fit that costs 175k. There isn't a damn thing I can do to hurt your dropship but you can 3shot me two seconds after I spawn. Who wants some?
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 529	Posted - 2014.02.20 17:59:00 - [52] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Yes, they take skill to fly and SP to build. However, if it wasn't for railguns; what would keep you guys in check? Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. ADSes are the most powerful thing in the game, so why complain? What is with certain players having a delusion that simply nothing should cause them a death? Forge guns, swarm launchers, blasters, railguns that AREN'T in the redline. You seem to forget that any dropship pilot is just plain out in the open, it takes a while to get to cover and I know if I take 2 forge gun shots, maybe even 1, I bail immediately, at least in a militia dropship. In tougher dropships I can stick around for a while but the simple fact is redline railgun tanks are not in the fight and therefore take no risks, railtanks are cheap and can hit and track a dropship anywhere on the map from the redline, and because they don't need health since if they get shot they can just back up, they stack damage mods. So why complain? Because currently there is a mechanic in the game that denies ANY vehicle from being called on to the field (especially dropships because they are vulnerable and squishy) that has zero risk for the player that takes advantage of it, it's unfair, it's broken, it's OP, it's unbalanced, it's just plain wrong, even CCP acknowledges this, why haven't you? This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11247	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:00:00 - [53] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. I'm going to have to stop you there. My Incubus costs 375K ISK. A redline railgunner can use a fit ~70K ISK and three shot me before my Incubus can even turn properly. This is why railguns are unbalanced. Not the fact they can kill - but the kill they give is cheap and you feel cheated. I got a boundless hmg fit that costs 175k. There isn't a damn thing I can do to hurt your dropship but you can 3shot me two seconds after I spawn. Hey guys, I can't kill that sniper with my SMG from 200 meters NERF SNIPERS!!!!!!! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 529	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:00:00 - [54] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. I'm going to have to stop you there. My Incubus costs 375K ISK. A redline railgunner can use a fit ~70K ISK and three shot me before my Incubus can even turn properly. This is why railguns are unbalanced. Not the fact they can kill - but the kill they give is cheap and you feel cheated. I got a boundless hmg fit that costs 175k. There isn't a damn thing I can do to hurt your dropship but you can 3shot me two seconds after I spawn. That's because HMG isn't an AV weapon, would you try to take on a tank with your boundless? A dropship is not a dropsuit. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Chuckles Brown 102	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:01:00 - [55] - Quote Because of angles and tracking a rail has to be far back. Redline or not, they are going to shoot you from 500m. Its nice that you bring up woulda, coulda, shoulda for AV, but until then; railguns are your only counter. Maybe take a day and redline rail DSes before you judge it? The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1662	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:02:00 - [56] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Yes, they take skill to fly and SP to build. However, if it wasn't for railguns; what would keep you guys in check? Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. ADSes are the most powerful thing in the game, so why complain? What is with certain players having a delusion that simply nothing should cause them a death? NO OTHER ITEM IN THE GAME HAS SUCH AN EXPESNSIVE RISK/REWARD RATIO! seriously, the risk of losing a 100's of 1,000's of isk from a dropship compared to the reward of kill 3-4 ppl is not justified. Remember; normally after the first 2-3 kills one of those people comback with AV (giving you time for perhaps 1-2 more kills) 1-3 shots max from a rail tank will kill them (even militia rails). All rails can hit you clear from one side of the map to the other you must be within range of AV inorder to use your missiles. you must get relatively still inorder to hit anything with dropships turrets, making you an easy target. when AV comes out, even if it doesn't kill you it renders your dropship useless. Either you stay and die or retreat. Lav's have more advantages than dropships at half the cost. im thinking of just driving one of those around and spamming missles with lav's. they are much more effective Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 942	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:03:00 - [57] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. I'm going to have to stop you there. My Incubus costs 375K ISK. A redline railgunner can use a fit ~70K ISK and three shot me before my Incubus can even turn properly. This is why railguns are unbalanced. Not the fact they can kill - but the kill they give is cheap and you feel cheated. I got a boundless hmg fit that costs 175k. There isn't a damn thing I can do to hurt your dropship but you can 3shot me two seconds after I spawn. Hey guys, I can't kill that sniper with my SMG from 200 meters NERF SNIPERS!!!!!!! I was mimicking the post I quoted. One defending you. You just want to argue I am simply bored. We can make a day of it. Who wants some?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11247	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:03:00 - [58] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Because of angles and tracking a rail has to be far back. Redline or not, they are going to shoot you from 500m. Its nice that you bring up woulda, coulda, shoulda for AV, but until then; railguns are your only counter. Maybe take a day and redline rail DSes before you judge it? I've been playing for 2 ******* years, pull your head out of your ass and realize that plenty of players know what they're talking about, and you're just mad because bad. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1662	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:04:00 - [59] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. I'm going to have to stop you there. My Incubus costs 375K ISK. A redline railgunner can use a fit ~70K ISK and three shot me before my Incubus can even turn properly. This is why railguns are unbalanced. Not the fact they can kill - but the kill they give is cheap and you feel cheated. I got a boundless hmg fit that costs 175k. There isn't a damn thing I can do to hurt your dropship but you can 3shot me two seconds after I spawn. actually, hmg does alot of damage to dropships. when you combine that with AV you can take one hout. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11247	Posted - 2014.02.20 18:06:00 - [60] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Shooting a ADS with a rail does take some small skill. I'm going to have to stop you there. My Incubus costs 375K ISK. A redline railgunner can use a fit ~70K ISK and three shot me before my Incubus can even turn properly. This is why railguns are unbalanced. Not the fact they can kill - but the kill they give is cheap and you feel cheated. I got a boundless hmg fit that costs 175k. There isn't a damn thing I can do to hurt your dropship but you can 3shot me two seconds after I spawn. actually, hmg does alot of damage to dropships. when you combine that with AV you can take one hout. As dumb as it sounds, this is actually true. Yet AGAIN, more towards the Incubus, because yet AGAIN, it does its bonus damage to armor and not shields @_@ Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot



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