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Alldin Kan
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:12:00 -
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Prove me wrong.
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Tyjus Vacca
Valor Coalition
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:13:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Prove me wrong.
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:13:00 -
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It's not wrong..
But amarr suit sucks with every other weapon.
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Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
161
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:15:00 -
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well you see...
wait...
actually I agree with you
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
257
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:18:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Prove me wrong. But you use it all the time. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
434
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:20:00 -
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In the hands of a capable player, there is no more deadly light weapon in the game, IMO. |
Aisha Ctarl
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
3338
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:21:00 -
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Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?
Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.
1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.
The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.
I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....
SCR - 1 v 1 RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed AR - ditto CR - ditto
Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"
Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time.
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:26:00 -
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In cqc an hmg, shotgun, knives, CR, REs and grenades can kill a ScR user. At range a RR, laser and sniper rifle can kill a ScR user. A ScR is best between 20-70 meters where it IS king. I would call the ScR the supreme 1v1 gun at this mid range. But even on the Amarr suit I still think the heat buildup prevents it from being OP. A weapon that forces you to switch to your sidearm to prevent overheating can not be called OP.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2180
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:26:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:In the hands of a capable player, there is no more deadly light weapon in the game, IMO. This is true. The Pistol is still deadlier though.
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Gallente Neutron Rifle
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1971
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:31:00 -
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So what if it is? It takes at least some skill to use, unlike the RR, and it hardly seems like a gamebreaking problem to me that if you skill up both a specific suit and a specific weapon up to proto (at the cost of what, 5 million SP?) to use the combination, it becomes extremely powerful. Isn't that kind of the point? Specialization and customization to optimize your chance of winning?
(p.s., as a logi with average gungame but every rifle to proto, I have no crutch to defend. I'm equally mediocre with all weapons)
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Forum Warrior lv.1
Amarr victor!
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1139
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:31:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?
Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.
1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.
The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.
I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....
SCR - 1 v 1 RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed AR - ditto CR - ditto
Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"
Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time. Oh really the ScR struggles against multiple enemies? So does every other weapon in the game, With TTK as low as it is with similar suit levels 2-3 v 1 means you will lose regard less of having AR, CR, RR, ScR. How is taking out 300-500 HP with one shot then following it up with 87 damage to armor (prof 5 viziam with 2 damage mods) with single shots not OP? Plus the fact that you can hold that charge shot indefinitely with it overheating is stupid, Holding the charge shot should slowly heat up the gun same should be said about the FG.
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
984
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:32:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?
Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.
1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.
The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.
I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....
SCR - 1 v 1 RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed AR - ditto CR - ditto
Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"
Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time. But... I AM THE SR USER!
I took on an entire team multiple times today and even melted heavies. On CQC this weapon is atrocious thanks to good accuracy, the only time RR will beat me is if the guy if hipfiring at medium range. On a Amarr suit it's actually hard to overheat the weapon as I usually need 5-8 shots (no charge used) to kill one guy, with charge shot I can still shoot multiple times or just switch to a proto SMG.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1971
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:35:00 -
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Results not typical. Your results may vary. Alldin Kan is not approved by the FDA to diagnose, treat, or cure any disease.
These posts are silly. I've seen you go
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:36:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?
Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.
1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.
The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.
I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....
SCR - 1 v 1 RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed AR - ditto CR - ditto
Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"
Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time. Oh really the ScR struggles against multiple enemies? So does every other weapon in the game, With TTK as low as it is with similar suit levels 2-3 v 1 means you will lose regard less of having AR, CR, RR, ScR. How is taking out 300-500 HP with one shot then following it up with 87 damage to armor (prof 5 with 2 damage mods) with single shots not OP? Plus the fact that you can hold that charge shot indefinitely with it overheating is stupid, Holding the charge shot should slowly heat up the gun same should be said about the FG. I kill multiple people all the time with an ScP. Your Crutch Rifles are fine. Also, they are totally crutches and they do make you weak. I picked up an AScR again yesterdayafter 2 weeks of nothing but Laser Rifle and ScP. Easy mode. I'm going to give the RR a try today.
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Gallente Neutron Rifle
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Aisha Ctarl
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
3341
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:39:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?
Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.
1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.
The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.
I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....
SCR - 1 v 1 RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed AR - ditto CR - ditto
Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"
Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time. Oh really the ScR struggles against multiple enemies? So does every other weapon in the game, With TTK as low as it is with similar suit levels 2-3 v 1 means you will lose regard less of having AR, CR, RR, ScR. How is taking out 300-500 HP with one shot then following it up with 87 damage to armor (prof 5 viziam with 2 damage mods) with single shots not OP? Plus the fact that you can hold that charge shot indefinitely with it overheating is stupid, Holding the charge shot should slowly heat up the gun same should be said about the FG.
I've taken out three people with one magazine with the ADV RR, and earlier today took out five....FIVE people with one magazine of the GEK. Most I've taken out in a group with the Viziam SCR - about a person and a half before I overheated and was taken out.
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Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
190
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:40:00 -
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The good ole spambler rifle =). Thing needs a damn ROF cap lowering, heat per shot(low), and a slight range buff. There I just made an awesome tact rifle that isn't CQC spam weapon. YW CCP.
What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2951
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:45:00 -
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Whats funny is that it rapes assaults, scouts and heavies like there's no tomorrow, but it takes it up the tailpipe from any dual tanked slayer logi worth his beans. |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:47:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:So what if it is? It takes at least some skill to use, unlike the RR, and it hardly seems like a gamebreaking problem to me that if you skill up both a specific suit and a specific weapon up to proto (at the cost of what, 5 million SP?) to use the combination, it becomes extremely powerful. Isn't that kind of the point? Specialization and customization to optimize your chance of winning?
(p.s., as a logi with average gungame but every rifle to proto, I have no crutch to defend. I'm equally mediocre with all weapons)
^ Takes a lot of SP investment and you pigeon hole yourself into 1 weapon and 1 suit. As opposed to slapping a Kaalakiota RR on a MLT Heavy?
Also, just because you stomp Pubs doesn't mean you have absolute, irrefutable proof of imbalance. Just means you went into a game and **** on newbs; anyone can do it, with any gun.
Try you Assault ak.0 suit in a PC and tell me if you'd rather stick to your gallente suit, tank or python
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:50:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:So what if it is? It takes at least some skill to use, unlike the RR, and it hardly seems like a gamebreaking problem to me that if you skill up both a specific suit and a specific weapon up to proto (at the cost of what, 5 million SP?) to use the combination, it becomes extremely powerful. Isn't that kind of the point? Specialization and customization to optimize your chance of winning?
(p.s., as a logi with average gungame but every rifle to proto, I have no crutch to defend. I'm equally mediocre with all weapons) ^ Takes a lot of SP investment and you pigeon hole yourself into 1 weapon and 1 suit. As opposed to slapping a Kaalakiota RR on a MLT Heavy? Also, just because you stomp Pubs doesn't mean you have absolute, irrefutable proof of imbalance. Just means you went into a game and **** on newbs; anyone can do it, with any gun. Try you Assault ak.0 suit in a PC and tell me if you'd rather stick to your gallente suit, tank or python
Ironically, you use your ScR+AK.0 Combo for socket play (Aka CQC)
Last time I checked the ScR was Mid to long range
Like the RR the ScR performs to well in both range and CQC
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9150
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:50:00 -
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You are the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you. How about you "prove" its OP first?
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2951
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:51:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:52:00 -
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*cough* Increase hipfire spread *cough*
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Jarlaxle JRXL
Well Oiled Machines
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:52:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?
Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.
1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.
The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.
I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....
SCR - 1 v 1 RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed AR - ditto CR - ditto
Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"
Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time. Oh really the ScR struggles against multiple enemies? So does every other weapon in the game, With TTK as low as it is with similar suit levels 2-3 v 1 means you will lose regard less of having AR, CR, RR, ScR. How is taking out 300-500 HP with one shot then following it up with 87 damage to armor (prof 5 viziam with 2 damage mods) with single shots not OP? Plus the fact that you can hold that charge shot indefinitely with it overheating is stupid, Holding the charge shot should slowly heat up the gun same should be said about the FG. untrue... ask the HVY, 2 LOGIs, & frontline (ALL FULL HEALTH) that my 'Exile' wiped out in 2 seconds yesterday |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:54:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:*cough* Increase hipfire spread *cough*
They already did. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:54:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:So what if it is? It takes at least some skill to use, unlike the RR, and it hardly seems like a gamebreaking problem to me that if you skill up both a specific suit and a specific weapon up to proto (at the cost of what, 5 million SP?) to use the combination, it becomes extremely powerful. Isn't that kind of the point? Specialization and customization to optimize your chance of winning?
(p.s., as a logi with average gungame but every rifle to proto, I have no crutch to defend. I'm equally mediocre with all weapons) ^ Takes a lot of SP investment and you pigeon hole yourself into 1 weapon and 1 suit. As opposed to slapping a Kaalakiota RR on a MLT Heavy? Also, just because you stomp Pubs doesn't mean you have absolute, irrefutable proof of imbalance. Just means you went into a game and **** on newbs; anyone can do it, with any gun. Try you Assault ak.0 suit in a PC and tell me if you'd rather stick to your gallente suit, tank or python Gallente suits are an endangered species in PC with so many people using CR, RR or HMG. Tanks pop every now and then, so do dropships by rails. Don't get me started on how scouts get one shot by a SR.
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:56:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:You are the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you. How about you "prove" its OP first? WAT YOU SAY BRA? YOU WANT TAKE ME ON IN A 1V1? JUST TELL ME WHERE AND LET'S DO IT D:
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noob cavman
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
637
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:58:00 -
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But kan... your mother ******* op. your one of those people who is just great at fps's and should not be use yourself as a benchmark for weapon baIance.its just not going to work. The fact is you so many more heavies using rail rifles even in close up encounters than you do hmg heavies. the scrambler is a great weapon and paired with a amarr assualt suit it becomes deadly. but out side of pc you dont see that many scrambler user being great with it. That rifle rewards timing and accuracy. Not firing in the general direction of the reds.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
447
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:59:00 -
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Sure I'll give it a shot:
1) ScR is only OP with a turbo controller or way above average clicking speed (average being around 5 clicks per second). This would lead to less DPS than any other rifle, making it the only sub-400 rifle.
2) The overheating function is unique to the ScR, and can/does kill the user. This is a MAJOR drawback that prevents spamming it. This function nicely balances out the charge shot.
3) The fitting requirements are ridiculously high.
4) Actually the ScR is just plain bad on non-amarr assault suits. After 1 engagement, if you didn't overheat and die, you will overheat and die. Seriously, this weapon is borderline horrible on non-assault suits.
Question for the OP, did you mean to say the ScR is OP with turbo controllers on an amarr assault? If so, I agree, and the ScR needs only a RoF reduction to 400 RPM (max of 6.666 shots per second or around the same base DPS as the other rifles at max).
Oh, just to throw this out here:
The CR:
Does 50% more DPS than the other rifles Does 102.5% normalized damage Has insanely low fitting costs Never Overheats can kill suits in 4-6 shots rather than the 5-8 of your ScR experience, try it.
I can always tell when I die in my sentinel suit to a combat rifle because it happens way faster than to any other weapon.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2953
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:59:00 -
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Well not sure what to tell you Alldin.
Gallente suits beat the SCR. So does every logi suit besides minlogi.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1114
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:02:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:So what if it is? It takes at least some skill to use, unlike the RR, and it hardly seems like a gamebreaking problem to me that if you skill up both a specific suit and a specific weapon up to proto (at the cost of what, 5 million SP?) to use the combination, it becomes extremely powerful. Isn't that kind of the point? Specialization and customization to optimize your chance of winning?
(p.s., as a logi with average gungame but every rifle to proto, I have no crutch to defend. I'm equally mediocre with all weapons) ^ Takes a lot of SP investment and you pigeon hole yourself into 1 weapon and 1 suit. As opposed to slapping a Kaalakiota RR on a MLT Heavy? Also, just because you stomp Pubs doesn't mean you have absolute, irrefutable proof of imbalance. Just means you went into a game and **** on newbs; anyone can do it, with any gun. Try you Assault ak.0 suit in a PC and tell me if you'd rather stick to your gallente suit, tank or python Ironically, you use your ScR+AK.0 Combo for socket play (Aka CQC) Last time I checked the ScR was Mid to long range Like the RR the ScR performs to well in both range and CQC
Well someone has to put your matari butt in place (sometimes caldari but I know you for your mk.0) cant have you run rampant figure 8's on my teammates.
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