The good ole spambler rifle =). Thing needs a damn ROF cap lowering, heat per shot(low), and a slight range buff. There I just made an awesome tact rifle that isn't CQC spam weapon. YW CCP.

What is easy for you is not easy for everyone. Search the web, seems like the majority of people click slower than 5 times per second. How high should the advantage for faster clicking be? Why shouldn't i just buy a modded controller so I can be "better" than everyone else because a few physical freaks can also achieve this?

World record for clicking is like 14+ per second, so I guess because one dude can click that fast, we should balance around that. Then everyone will be forced to buy a modded controller to be competitive with that one guy.

You are the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you. How about you "prove" its OP first?

I did understand your argument, but I must not have been clear in my counter. Saying that the ScR has a 16 round mag due to it overheating after 16 continuous shots in not accurate because it is always cooling down. Ceasing fire after 15 shots for half a second can yield you another 3 shots. Ceasing fire for a full second will give you back 8 to 10 shots. See my point? You can look at it as a constant partial reload with a hard reload after 45 rounds.

Prove me wrong.

So split the difference at the high average. Saying it should be based at the highest achievable level is as dumb as saying it should be based at the lowest achievable level. Everyone gets a trophy right? 8 rounds per second is achievable by me, right here, non world record holding, not that great, average joe video gamer. Some people think faster, some aim better, some have more friends, I have an above average trigger finger speed. Reducing the rate of fire to the max of what you can achieve and calling it balance would be the same as doing something to counter any of the other life skills it takes to achieve advantages I mentioned above.

You want to stop modded controllers? Do it the right way by mechanical consistency detection. A human will always have a variance on speed and rhythm that is detectable, where a machine will not. At least not with the randomizing computing power required that could fit in a chip soldiered onto a controller.

How about no?

ScR is a SKILL SHOT weapon, not the spam-fest weapon you use it as (watch your own video, you spray and prey using muscle twitch, not control). Actually the RoF would be more than 10% higher than the max of what I can achieve, a max that I pretty much never use as spamming R1 with the ScR = death (remember that pesky overheat mechanic). Pulling the trigger at 7.5-8 times per second would put you in the upper echelons of the entire population. You want to balance the weapon around how fast YOU can click, I want to balance the weapon around current in-game trends and DPS.

At 400 RPM (same as the TAC AR and the CR when accounting for the 3 round burst) the ScR does 479.9 DPS, which is still too high when compared to the other rifles(aside from the 650 DPS Combat Rifle), but it is within reason. This keeps the weapon functionally the same for the people who use skill to use it, and the scrubs with frealishly fast fingers or modded controllers will loose out on the crutch.

Either way I do agree the RoF is too high, and THAT IS THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE WEAPON.

IF you actually gave one tiny bit of a sh-t about balance, you would probably talk about how the RR does the same DPS as the AR at twice the range, or the fact that the CR does nearly 50% more DPS than all the other rifles (while using that "everyone gets a trophy" speed you claimed before.)

Why are you singling out the ScR? You have no evidence or factually based extrapolation to claim that the ScR is OP (other than RoF being to high), while there is a ton that shows the CR and RR are insanely OP. Please explain.

The sad part here is that we are both arguing that the rifle is not OP, and you're right, I did pull the numbers out of my ass as far as cool down by relying on how it feels. I'm just not quite insulting as you in disagreeable points. I will try to protect the RoF because I outrun and misfire the TAC AR and the CR. It's the difference of 80 bpm, So as far as me talking about the imbalances of the RR and CR, I don't need to because that point has been driven home often enough. My argument is to keep the rate of fire at a level I can achieve and I yielded mag size and overall ammo because of points made prior.

But... I AM THE SR USER!

I took on an entire team multiple times today and even melted heavies. On CQC this weapon is atrocious thanks to good accuracy, the only time RR will beat me is if the guy if hipfiring at medium range. On a Amarr suit it's actually hard to overheat the weapon as I usually need 5-8 shots (no charge used) to kill one guy, with charge shot I can still shoot multiple times or just switch to a proto SMG.

My best consecutive scores today:

38-2
49-7
50-2
I think I forgot another

Prove me wrong.

It's not wrong..


But amarr suit sucks with every other weapon.

Whats funny is that it rapes assaults, scouts and heavies like there's no tomorrow, but it takes it up the tailpipe from any dual tanked slayer logi worth his beans.

Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?

Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.

1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.

The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.

I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....

SCR - 1 v 1
RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed
AR - ditto
CR - ditto

Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"

Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time.

Just my personal opinion but I don't think the high rate of fire is necessary for this weapon. It's supposed to perform as a good mid-range contender, having the second longest range out of the racial rifle line-up but due to it's ability to charge and it's high rate of fire is capable at all ranges. This overshadows the Tactical Assault Rifle, which had it's clip-size, hipfire, rate of fire and range all cut in various different builds. The most recent of, 1.7, which saw a -huge- reduction in range.

Comparing the rate of fire in this video (mind the chatter, my voice cannot be heard in this video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXeML0Zu9tQ

It seems rather illogical to me that the weapon with the longer range not only has a faster rate of fire, a larger magazine, more damage per shot, a tighter hipfire but the ability to charge for x2.9 damage. The only thing that the Tactical Assault Rifle has over the Scrambler Rifle is the fact that it does slightly more damage to armor, but it's marginal given the damage values of the weapons.

Another important factor to keep in mind is that, given the rate of fire, you can fire off more rounds with a scrambler rifle than the Tactical Assault has in it's magazine before it overheats. Keep in mind that in this video, I am using a Templar Sentinel - which does not receive a bonus to the Scrambler Rifle.

Now, I know that the argument that the TAR is an emulator of the Scrambler and isn't supposed to perform the same but this is something I'm starkly against because I personally feel that each weapon should have it's own feel and theme. It shouldn't -just- be an under-powered version as this creates power creep. Much to the same argument, if this is the case, than the assault variants of all the other rifles should under-perform compared to the Assault Rifle, whereas they are comparable or even better in some areas.

IMO: The weapon needs a rate of fire reduction and perhaps some lower damage to compensate for it's longer range and ability to charge up. That or the Tactical Assault Rifle needs a major buff as to keep up with power creep. EDIT: This needs to be handled with a scalpel, however. Not the hammer that things have been nerfed with in previous builds.

ANOTHER EDIT: Despite popular belief, I am not using a modded controller in the video. I am using the standard Six-Axis DS3.

Oh yeah and another thing, you were using a proto suit with the Vizium so each of your seven deaths must have been reasonably expensive... keep that up and you'd be out of Protos and Viziums in no time and back to mlt suits... I guess it's all a balance between effectiveness and isk really.

That's total BS and you know it. I have seen viziams take on 3-4 people all in good suits and the viziam owns all. Granted it does reward the good player but it is somewhat OP. Just like the RR and CR are both somewhat OP..