Sure I'll give it a shot:

1) ScR is only OP with a turbo controller or way above average clicking speed (average being around 5 clicks per second). This would lead to less DPS than any other rifle, making it the only sub-400 rifle.

2) The overheating function is unique to the ScR, and can/does kill the user. This is a MAJOR drawback that prevents spamming it. This function nicely balances out the charge shot.

3) The fitting requirements are ridiculously high.

4) Actually the ScR is just plain bad on non-amarr assault suits. After 1 engagement, if you didn't overheat and die, you will overheat and die. Seriously, this weapon is borderline horrible on non-assault suits.

Question for the OP, did you mean to say the ScR is OP with turbo controllers on an amarr assault? If so, I agree, and the ScR needs only a RoF reduction to 400 RPM (max of 6.666 shots per second or around the same base DPS as the other rifles at max).

Oh, just to throw this out here:

The CR:

Does 50% more DPS than the other rifles
Does 102.5% normalized damage
Has insanely low fitting costs
Never Overheats
can kill suits in 4-6 shots rather than the 5-8 of your ScR experience, try it.

I can always tell when I die in my sentinel suit to a combat rifle because it happens way faster than to any other weapon.

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WAT YOU SAY BRA? YOU WANT TAKE ME ON IN A 1V1? JUST TELL ME WHERE AND LET'S DO IT D:

Scrambler Rifle on Amarr suite is OP. Prove me wrong.

Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?

Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.

1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.

The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.

I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....

SCR - 1 v 1
RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed
AR - ditto
CR - ditto

Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"

Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time.

Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?

Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.

1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.

The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.

I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....

SCR - 1 v 1
RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed
AR - ditto
CR - ditto

Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"

Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time.

This argument comes up in all FPS. The reward for the high powered, simi auto, med-long range rifle. This class of rifle is deadly for two reasons:

Stats

Type of player that uses it

The biggest difference I see in this version of this class of rifle in the ScR is the mag size and the over all ammo capacity, which both are too high. Other than that, RoF/accuacy/range/damage are all in line with what the class should be. The TAC AR would be there also if CCP hadn't swung the hammer too far with the RoF. 480 is the magic number, not because of some DPS statistic, because that is the high end of what a skilled trigger finger can pull off. Go much higher and you are asking for modded controllers to do what a human can't. Lower it and you're selling players that favor, and have often spent time in FPS games developing skills to use them, short.

If you pick up an ScR and do well with it, congratulations, you are good by way of natural skills or hours of experience. Most players that have a more casual style of play or not as many hours behind the controller do not do good with this class of weapon. If they did, everyone would be running around with the ScR instead of the RR, and would've been using the ScR over the AR build last.

As for the combination with the amar assault, that belongs in a bigger discussion around rewarding lore. Personally, I don't think the amar bonus is bad, I think the rest of the assault bonuses suck. But I think the story behind this game adds an extra welcome dimension to the game that doesn't as much trump balance as make it more interesting.

It's the only rifle to over heat. Check plz

This is why I am against racial bonuses on suits - I don't care for lore and don't play Eve, although I'm not against the principle, more scared that it will be game breaking.

Balance between weapons has eluded CCP's grasp so far, now we are getting unbalanced weapons coupled to bonuses on potentially unbalanced suits - the opportunity for a particular combination of weapon and suit to be OP is massive based on past experience.

Add a respec to the mix and diversity is diminished and fotm increases.

I know many are into factional consistency but I would prefer to choose a suit and weapon from whatever race I want and not have it perform worse on my suit than for some red facing me with the right suit.

1. Good trigger finger is free.
2. Not on Amarr Assault
3. Amarr Assault has huge CPU/PG, as downside suit has fat hitbox/slow speed (irrelevant at long range)
4. True

CR is the only close rival to SR.

You know, a great answer to this would be to follow the suggestion of decoupling weapon enhancements from suits entirely and implement a weapon fitting same as the suit for weapon mods. Damage, heat sink, tracking (aim assist), ammo type, optics, RoF, all customizable, all ISK/pg/CPU to the weapon.

This argument comes up in all FPS. The reward for the high powered, simi auto, med-long range rifle. This class of rifle is deadly for two reasons:

Stats

Type of player that uses it

The biggest difference I see in this version of this class of rifle in the ScR is the mag size and the over all ammo capacity, which both are too high. Other than that, RoF/accuacy/range/damage are all in line with what the class should be. The TAC AR would be there also if CCP hadn't swung the hammer too far with the RoF. 480 is the magic number, not because of some DPS statistic, because that is the high end of what a skilled trigger finger can pull off. Go much higher and you are asking for modded controllers to do what a human can't. Lower it and you're selling players that favor, and have often spent time in FPS games developing skills to use them, short.

If you pick up an ScR and do well with it, congratulations, you are good by way of natural skills or hours of experience. Most players that have a more casual style of play or not as many hours behind the controller do not do good with this class of weapon. If they did, everyone would be running around with the ScR instead of the RR, and would've been using the ScR over the AR build last.

As for the combination with the amar assault, that belongs in a bigger discussion around rewarding lore. Personally, I don't think the amar bonus is bad, I think the rest of the assault bonuses suck. But I think the story behind this game adds an extra welcome dimension to the game that doesn't as much trump balance as make it more interesting.

About that large clip:

Actually the clip size is 100% meaningless for the ScR when you overheat after only a few shots. Effectively the ScR has a ~ 16 round clip and the amarr assault give you a 5% bonus to clip size. Only when you expend this clip too fast you take 50 HP damage and you are useless for 5 seconds.

I am going to attempt to figure out the ScR heat/cooldown interactions so look for that in the future.

In cqc an hmg, shotgun, knives, CR, REs and grenades can kill a ScR user. At range a RR, laser and sniper rifle can kill a ScR user. A ScR is best between 20-70 meters where it IS king. I would call the ScR the supreme 1v1 gun at this mid range. But even on the Amarr suit I still think the heat buildup prevents it from being OP. A weapon that forces you to switch to your sidearm to prevent overheating can not be called OP.

Sure I'll give it a shot:

1) ScR is only OP with a turbo controller or way above average clicking speed (average being around 5 clicks per second). This would lead to less DPS than any other rifle, making it the only sub-400 rifle.

2) The overheating function is unique to the ScR, and can/does kill the user. This is a MAJOR drawback that prevents spamming it. This function nicely balances out the charge shot.

3) The fitting requirements are ridiculously high.

4) Actually the ScR is just plain bad on non-amarr assault suits. After 1 engagement, if you didn't overheat and die, you will overheat and die. Seriously, this weapon is borderline horrible on non-assault suits.

Question for the OP, did you mean to say the ScR is OP with turbo controllers on an amarr assault? If so, I agree, and the ScR needs only a RoF reduction to 400 RPM (max of 6.666 shots per second or around the same base DPS as the other rifles at max).

Oh, just to throw this out here:

The CR:

Does 50% more DPS than the other rifles
Does 102.5% normalized damage
Has insanely low fitting costs
Never Overheats
can kill suits in 4-6 shots rather than the 5-8 of your ScR experience, try it.

I can always tell when I die in my sentinel suit to a combat rifle because it happens way faster than to any other weapon.

Oh god, another one of you degenerates crying over the SCR + Amarr Assault...who OHK'ed you this time?

Look, the SCR is an awesome weapon made even more awesome by the Amarr Assault, but the SCR is a weapon that only really shines in 1 v 1 fights.

1 v 1 I would venture that a good SCR user will win just about every time. The charge shot will take out a large chunk of health whereas the follow up shots will kill the target.

The SCR struggles in CQC and fights that are more than 1 v 1 thanks to the overheat mechanic. Yes, you may not believe it, but it is still easy to overheat the SCR even in an Amarr medium suit when you're panic firing at someone CQC, or trying to take out multiple enemies shooting back at you with their AR's, CR's, and RR's.

I really think that is the bit people fail to understand is that....

SCR - 1 v 1
RR - 1 v how ever many before you run out of ammo or killed
AR - ditto
CR - ditto

Yet people complain that "boo hoo BOO HOO, the SCR OHK'ed me and mopped the floor with my corpse!"

Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time.

I disagree, reloading is something every other rifle has to do between most engagements. This is 2 + seconds that that player cannot sprint. The majority of my kills I do in under 10 shots which means I go 4 to 6 engagements without having to reload. Only a hand full of times have I ever lived long enough to run out of ammo. With op 5 on the rifle, you wait way less than 2 seconds before you've cooled enough to squeeze off another 4 to 8 rounds.

Granted, this takes practice but if we are talking about where the rifle can yield to some balance, mag size would be my vote.

Prove me wrong.

400 bpm is the equivalent of 12th notes (triplets) at 120bpm. This is too slow. I can easily achieve 16th notes at 120bpm or 480 rpm. I can burst out a higher rate than that, but not sustain. I would hope that an easily achievable physical skill wouldn't be nerfed.

http://youtu.be/n0ty2WZ82k8 <-- Trigger finger video in game

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Pro tip - don't take on a SCR user alone...you're gonna lose every time.

Prove me wrong.

Says you. I have a charge sniper rifle that says otherwise.

Did you understand my arguement above? Perhaps I didn;t make it clear, let me rephrase.

*ScR has a heat budget that is equivalent to a clip on another rifle.

*ScR's heat bank is effectively it's clip

*ScR's clip size means nothing when you can at most shoot 16 (25 on assault) shots, meaning it has an effective clip of 16 (25 on assault).

*You "reload" the ScR by allowing it to cooldown. Effectively the ScR has a 4.5 sec reload time.

*You are effectively reloading every time you have to let the gun cool down

Take your pick.

Also, on every other weapon you can still sprint during a reload, you just cancel the reload. On the ScR, when you overheat you die.

Finally, why are you using the ScR. If you used the CR the majority of your kills would die in under 8 trigger pulls, with 10 trigger pulls left to spare. You would also be doing that damage at a faster rate with a more favorable damage profile.