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BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 477	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:23:00 - [1] - Quote so tell us kids whats it to you 1 hit ? 2? 3? or team work and using the rite kind of AV? Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Asterion Cretos Horizons' Edge 157	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:26:00 - [2] - Quote I don't use any type of AV or vehicles. Not my style of play. But I honestly don't see this one EVER being completely ironed out. Each side will QQ when the other is brought up a peg. Even if CCP somehow reaches some perfect balance between the two, someone will whine. I would rather die my way than live by yours.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 477	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:30:00 - [3] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: I don't use any type of AV or vehicles. Not my style of play. But I honestly don't see this one EVER being completely ironed out. Each side will QQ when the other is brought up a peg. Even if CCP somehow reaches some perfect balance between the two, someone will whine. well im my view something that do,s cost more should be harder to bring down when fitted the rite way ! much like a pro drop suit when fitted the rite way and used you can go 60/3 with it Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2463	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:32:00 - [4] - Quote 1 clip MLT v MLT = 1 clip STD v STD = 1 clip ADV v ADV = 1 clip PRO v PRO = 1 clip And all AV to be balanced from that. I GÖú Kittens.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1671	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:32:00 - [5] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: Asterion Cretos wrote: I don't use any type of AV or vehicles. Not my style of play. But I honestly don't see this one EVER being completely ironed out. Each side will QQ when the other is brought up a peg. Even if CCP somehow reaches some perfect balance between the two, someone will whine. well im my view something that do,s cost more should be harder to bring down when fitted the rite way ! much like a pro drop suit when fitted the rite way and used you can go 60/3 with it Are you spelling right wrong on purpose. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1 Prof. V scrub
Zene Ren Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 45	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:32:00 - [6] - Quote balance in this situation equals: number of vehicle pilots = number of grunts needed to destroy it ps. not in a single shot ofc not even 3 AV granades pss. if you want current balance those tanks should require 3 or 4 pilots to operate and not 1 pilot holding 4 grunts to destroy it simple as that Balance is the key to achieve knowledge and understanding
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1671	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:33:00 - [7] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: 1 clip MLT v MLT = 1 clip STD v STD = 1 clip ADV v ADV = 1 clip PRO v PRO = 1 clip And all AV to be balanced from that. Swarms or FG's because the number varies. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1 Prof. V scrub
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1966	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:34:00 - [8] - Quote Balanced to me is how it's done on titanfall, with the titans. The titans themselves are devastating, they can tear through infantry in a heardbeat. BUT it only takes on guy with an Anti-Titan weapon to deal with, you just need a CONCENTRATED effort. Spkr4thedead: Me > AV This is why tanks are unbalanced Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2127	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:34:00 - [9] - Quote Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 477	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:40:00 - [10] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!

voidfaction Void of Faction 140	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:42:00 - [11] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: so tell us kids whats it to you 1 hit ? 2? 3? or team work and using the rite kind of AV? I agree it should take team work and using the rite kind of AV. BUT If it should take 3 people to kill a tank it should take 3 people to drive a tank. simple balance for you. you don't expect 1 dropsuit to require 3 people to kill. the way tanks are in this game it is nothing more than a oversized dropsuit with a 3rd person camera lots more armor, shield, firepower and speed.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2463	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:43:00 - [12] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Rynoceros wrote: 1 clip MLT v MLT = 1 clip STD v STD = 1 clip ADV v ADV = 1 clip PRO v PRO = 1 clip And all AV to be balanced from that. Swarms or FG's because the number varies. Swarms are the only pure AV weapons we have and that aren't restricted by choice of dropsuit. Those must be the metric by which all AV is balanced. *voidfaction's point is also incredibly valid in this discussion. I GÖú Kittens.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2129	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:50:00 - [13] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work Then enlighten me, and maybe go into detail other than, "it do, take teamwork". Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 942	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:52:00 - [14] - Quote My anti-armor BPO suit should solo everything. Gilitia gorge Guns should flip tanks and dropships with every hit, have 10x the damage, and lock on from across the map. PCs the same. The tank touched me: o<-= <----hereGÇª Take me seriously guise. ADS Kills: Lost count a while ago...
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2977	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:54:00 - [15] - Quote if my mlt swarms can't OHK it, it's OP "The human brain named itself... :o" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1154	Posted - 2014.02.14 13:55:00 - [16] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Ironic that a protostomper talks about balance.... "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 661	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:00:00 - [17] - Quote Casually moonwalking up to tank, placing remotes on tank, casually walking off in slow-motion while detonating. Psycho Explosives are my thing, and knives Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:00:00 - [18] - Quote Harpyja wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Ironic that a protostomper talks about balance.... I know rite ! :D Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:01:00 - [19] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Casually moonwalking up to tank, placing remotes on tank, casually walking off in slow-motion while detonating. someones that has a plan i like you Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1537	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:01:00 - [20] - Quote I use proto forge guns therefore AV is fine [:D] The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1653	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:04:00 - [21] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: so tell us kids whats it to you 1 hit ? 2? 3? or team work and using the rite kind of AV? Current FG is good. Current FG TTK against HAVs (except hardener-stacking ones) is good I can solo most tanks with an FG; the only time I can't is when they pop multiple hardeners. Shield tanks can be frustrating to solo, considering their massive burst EHP, but that's kind of the whole point, so I'm okay with that. Remove hardener stacking, nerf railgun damage a little, remove damage mod stacking, and IMO HAVs and AV would be in a good place for balance. Just need to bring PLC and SL to the right level at that point (AV nades can go f*ck themselves). Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4661	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:07:00 - [22] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work XD And I thought Spkr was an embarrassment to pilots... Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2466	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:08:00 - [23] - Quote Harpyja wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Ironic that a protostomper talks about balance.... Homeboy was stomping scrubs long before he had Proto. Who needs Proto to stomp Molon Labe, anyways? I GÖú Kittens.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4661	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:11:00 - [24] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: 1 clip MLT v MLT = 1 clip STD v STD = 1 clip ADV v ADV = 1 clip PRO v PRO = 1 clip And all AV to be balanced from that. This ^^^ Except maybe 1.5 clips for Swarms due to it's high ROF, and 2-3 shots from PLCs at it's coyyesponding tiers. And all on a 1v1 basis. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:14:00 - [25] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work Then enlighten me, and maybe go into detail other than, "it do, take teamwork". just like every thing els !!! calling out where to see av other tanks if you need help where are you how to get to point A - B with out being see or blown up when to push when to fall back so on so on ! i know running pubs all day makes it look like no skill because most pubs are filled with scrubs who do what ever they feel like ! and a tank cant take a points unless the driver gets out ! most drivers will not get out do to the fact its not there job or they dont have the a drop suit for that. so yes tanking takes team work or one guy in a tank on the other side can blow up the other teams tanks by picking them off at range the other tankers i see time and time again dont call out to ech other about AV hot spots and rail tanks fields of fire so i see a lot of F up,s where a team of tanks rolls in go,s all lone wolf and in 1 min all of them are recalling new tanks and there teams lost the point ! but same could be said for pro stomping ! do,s it take skill?? i bet it do,s just like tanking ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2130	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:16:00 - [26] - Quote Harpyja wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Ironic that a protostomper talks about balance.... So what is your corps excuse in PC? Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2529	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:17:00 - [27] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: 1 clip MLT v MLT = 1 clip STD v STD = 1 clip ADV v ADV = 1 clip PRO v PRO = 1 clip And all AV to be balanced from that. Hardeners on or off? Which AV weapon? Intelligence is OP
voidfaction Void of Faction 140	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:17:00 - [28] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work Then enlighten me, and maybe go into detail other than, "it do, take teamwork". Enlighten us all. Because if i'm not mistaken it only takes 1 player to drive, shoot, and activate modules. Wow that is the same number it takes me in my scout dropsuit and my armor, shield, damage and speed is not even close to a tank.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:17:00 - [29] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Ironic that a protostomper talks about balance.... Homeboy was stomping scrubs long before he had Proto. Who needs Proto to stomp Molon Labe, anyways? if you mean jumping around in the broken scout suit Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2862	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:19:00 - [30] - Quote I think it becomes an issue when a good tanker is parked in front of an enemy supply depot with 8 people lobbing grenades and swarms and remotes, etc. And he just kills and kills and kills until his multiple hardeners are down. That's when it frustrates me. They shouldn't be able to sit 10 meters away from multiple people without a fear in the world. Sometimes with two or three rail tanks covering the flanks. I'm done with it, I'm just going to start backing out. They can stroke each other off for the duration of a match for all I care. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott

BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:20:00 - [31] - Quote voidfaction wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work Then enlighten me, and maybe go into detail other than, "it do, take teamwork". Enlighten us all. Because if i'm not mistaken it only takes 1 player to drive, shoot, and activate modules. Wow that is the same number it takes me in my scout dropsuit and my armor, shield, damage and speed is not even close to a tank. O you seem to know every thing no you tell us what you do in a tank in a PC plz tell us how to figth with out using the red line 6 tanks and av vsing only your tank and 2 others and ones a blaster ! so plz tell us the god of know it all PLZ tell us it do,s not take team work ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1603	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:21:00 - [32] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Rynoceros wrote: 1 clip MLT v MLT = 1 clip STD v STD = 1 clip ADV v ADV = 1 clip PRO v PRO = 1 clip And all AV to be balanced from that. Swarms or FG's because the number varies. Swarms are the only pure AV weapons we have and that aren't restricted by choice of dropsuit. Those must be the metric by which all AV is balanced. *voidfaction's point is also incredibly valid in this discussion. (Remove Turret from Pilot's seat? I've seen this argument before, and do not disagree with that point. Crew Service is already in game, now it just needs to be made consistent. Dropships are Crew Serviced. LAVs are Crew Serviced. Why not ADS and HAVs? Seems silly if you ask me. Also, Ryno, I agree with your 1 clip, though I do believe that it should take teamwork as well. 3 people each using a full clip for equal tier AV::V. Adjusted accordingly, PRO AV::STD V? 1 guy, 1 clip. STD AV::PRO V (even though we don't have it yet)? 5 guys, 1 clip each. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4661	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:21:00 - [33] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: voidfaction wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work Then enlighten me, and maybe go into detail other than, "it do, take teamwork". Enlighten us all. Because if i'm not mistaken it only takes 1 player to drive, shoot, and activate modules. Wow that is the same number it takes me in my scout dropsuit and my armor, shield, damage and speed is not even close to a tank. O you seem to know every thing no you tell us what you do in a tank in a PC plz tell us how to figth with out using the red line 6 tanks and av vsing only your tank and 2 others and ones a blaster ! so plz tell us the god of know it all PLZ tell us it do,s not take team work ! Particle Cannon with 2 Damage mods on a Madrugar. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1155	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:22:00 - [34] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: so tell us kids whats it to you 1 hit ? 2? 3? or team work and using the rite kind of AV? Current FG is good. Current FG TTK against HAVs (except hardener-stacking ones) is good I can solo most tanks with an FG; the only time I can't is when they pop multiple hardeners. Shield tanks can be frustrating to solo, considering their massive burst EHP, but that's kind of the whole point, so I'm okay with that. Remove hardener stacking, nerf railgun damage a little, remove damage mod stacking, and IMO HAVs and AV would be in a good place for balance. Just need to bring PLC and SL to the right level at that point (AV nades can go f*ck themselves). Hardener stacking hasn't really bothered me. Only a few times have I ran into someone who's hardener lasted longer than mine (and I have max skills) which only surprised me at most and all I thought was "good for them." They won't have enough EHP to deal with a railgun though, which is what I switched to. Honestly, being able to stack hardeners offers more variety. A triple hardened Gunnlogi will stand up to almost any infantry AV, but because it lacks a shield extender, it goes down easily to a railgun. A Gunnlogi with two hardeners active at once will be able to stand up against anything, but when they go offline, that's your opportunity to destroy it; they had to give up something for a second hardener, and that will cost them their tank. An all-rounded fit uses one hardener in any combination with a booster, extender, or damage amplifier. It gives it more flexibility than a fit with stacked hardeners. I for example run an extender, hardener, and missile damage amp. The unhardened buffer usually gives me enough time to react to incoming alpha damage, but if I know I'm going to face another tank, then my hardener makes better use of my 3950 shield. And finally the damage amplifier allows me to dish out enough damage to single-volley most armor tanks, otherwise I'd have to reload while they continue to damage me; in the end I'd take more damage if I had dual hardeners running than if I single-volleyed the armor tank with a damage amp. The damage amp even allows me to single-volley unhardened shield tanks without an extender as well (don't underestimate those extenders people!) I've ran a triple hardened Gunnlogi myself and I'll say that it just slaughters infantry (keep in mind I use missiles), but it's inability to dish out a lot of damage due to the lack of a damage amp and it's inability to soak a lot of damage without an extender either loses a lot of tank fights or barely wins. I've barely used this fit before I stopped running it because I didn't like the flexibility I had to give up to become perma-hardened. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:22:00 - [35] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it becomes an issue when a good tanker is parked in front of an enemy supply depot with 8 people lobbing grenades and swarms and remotes, etc. And he just kills and kills and kills until his multiple hardeners are down. That's when it frustrates me. They shouldn't be able to sit 10 meters away from multiple people without a fear in the world. Sometimes with two or three rail tanks covering the flanks. I'm done with it, I'm just going to start backing out. They can stroke each other off for the duration of a match for all I care. so AV nags 20% - dmg to shields yes he is going to own you GET Flucks and FG you will kill him faster this is not the game where one AV kills ALL ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:24:00 - [36] - Quote Quote: Particle Cannon with 2 Damage mods on a Madrugar. your vsing 6 other tanks plz thats not going to save you and the AV from the other team Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1872	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:25:00 - [37] - Quote the right AV is where it's possible for militia av to kill militia tanks and specced av to kill specced tankers. 1 person to 1 tank, the battles don't need to be short but it needs to be possible. as it standard current miltia AV is worthless, and proto av can barely on rare occassions kill militia tanks.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2468	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:25:00 - [38] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Ironic that a protostomper talks about balance.... Homeboy was stomping scrubs long before he had Proto. Who needs Proto to stomp Molon Labe, anyways? if you mean jumping around in the broken scout suit He didn't need 5000+ HP and a super ultra-mega AR to do it either. Oh, and he didn't have Hardeners or run to the redline for cover like a little *****. I GÖú Kittens.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2136	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:26:00 - [39] - Quote Please Bad Furry keep posting! I am farming so many likes off you Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Die Fremdenlegion 81	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:28:00 - [40] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: so tell us kids whats it to you 1 hit ? 2? 3? or team work and using the rite kind of AV? It is very easy to answer but not easy to archieve. When everyone is using a tank. The tank is to easy. If you see no tanks (or almost no tanks). AV is to easy.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2863	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:29:00 - [41] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it becomes an issue when a good tanker is parked in front of an enemy supply depot with 8 people lobbing grenades and swarms and remotes, etc. And he just kills and kills and kills until his multiple hardeners are down. That's when it frustrates me. They shouldn't be able to sit 10 meters away from multiple people without a fear in the world. Sometimes with two or three rail tanks covering the flanks. I'm done with it, I'm just going to start backing out. They can stroke each other off for the duration of a match for all I care. so AV nags 20% - dmg to shields yes he is going to own you GET Flucks and FG you will kill him faster this is not the game where one AV kills ALL ! I understand what it takes. The problem is that tanks are too much of a force multiplier in pub matches. You control less than 50% of your team in a pub match. If your squad switches to AV they are at the mercy of the infantry and the tanks on the enemy side. If there is true tank spam going on it's likely that the other 10 players on your team are hiding. Each of you lose a proto AV suit or two and your profits are gone for the match. There is ZERO incentive to take care of them. I don't want to hide in the redline or roof camp so I'd just rather leave the match. If it happens two or three times in a row, then I turn off Dust. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:29:00 - [42] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Ironic that a protostomper talks about balance.... Homeboy was stomping scrubs long before he had Proto. Who needs Proto to stomp Molon Labe, anyways? if you mean jumping around in the broken scout suit He didn't need 5000+ HP and a super ultra-mega AR to do it either. Oh, and he didn't have Hardeners or run to the redline for cover like a little *****. no he dint he ran around the map using a broken scout suit jumping around like a bunny so no one with out a mass driver could hit him then he used the Broke Smg so no your wrong its not skill its using broken stuff he,s good at Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
voidfaction Void of Faction 143	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:30:00 - [43] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work Then enlighten me, and maybe go into detail other than, "it do, take teamwork". just like every thing els !!! calling out where to see av other tanks if you need help where are you how to get to point A - B with out being see or blown up when to push when to fall back so on so on ! i know running pubs all day makes it look like no skill because most pubs are filled with scrubs who do what ever they feel like ! and a tank cant take a points unless the driver gets out ! most drivers will not get out do to the fact its not there job or they dont have the a drop suit for that. so yes tanking takes team work or one guy in a tank on the other side can blow up the other teams tanks by picking them off at range the other tankers i see time and time again dont call out to ech other about AV hot spots and rail tanks fields of fire so i see a lot of F up,s where a team of tanks rolls in go,s all lone wolf and in 1 min all of them are recalling new tanks and there teams lost the point ! but same could be said for pro stomping ! do,s it take skill?? i bet it do,s just like tanking ! that is the team work for the whole battle not how it takes team work to drive the tank, shoot with the tank activate the modules, etc. I want to know why your dropsuit (tank) should only require 1 person to operate but multiple working togeting to fight against. does your tank cost 3x isk what my 200k isk scout suit costs? If it should take a tank to kill a tank maybe it should take infantry to kill infantry.
voidfaction Void of Faction 143	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:36:00 - [44] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Casually moonwalking up to tank, placing remotes on tank, casually walking off in slow-motion while detonating. That just might be how it will be for a cloaked scout in 1.8
The Attorney General 1957	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:45:00 - [45] - Quote My current recommendations: Tanks: Nerf Blaster Range by 30% Reduce speed 3% Reduce Nitrous boost by 5% Reduce Gunloggi CPU/PG, number TBD Increase turning abilities of the Madrugar slightly, to slightly reduce the mobility disadvantage versus Gunloggis. AV: FG: Reduce charge times to 1.6 levels. Swarms: Either a 15% damage buff, or a 20% range increase, but not both. Increase magazine size by at least 1 round. AV nades: No changes PLC: CCP have stated that the PLC is in a place where it is difficult to balance without making it OP against infantry. Increase projectile velocity 25% Increase range 10% Increase precharge 15% Increase damage 25% Hopefully the precharge time is what prevents people spamming them in city structures, but allows the weapon to perform a relatively high skill high damage blow to vehicles. Proxies/RE's Players should not need to reload to distribute proto and advanced explosives. Proxie damage could go up, I don't know by how much. RE's seem alright, maybe more damage, but I don't know if CCP wants RE's to one shot all heavies or not. I think thats everything. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2469	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:46:00 - [46] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: no he dint he ran around the map using a broken scout suit jumping around like a bunny so no one with out a mass driver could hit him then he used the Broke Smg so no your wrong its not skill its using broken stuff he,s good at That's what happened....this is all because you were terribad with a MD? Still hurts, doesn't it? Once a scrub, always a scrub. I GÖú Kittens.
The Attorney General 1957	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:47:00 - [47] - Quote voidfaction wrote: that is the team work for the whole battle not how it takes team work to drive the tank, shoot with the tank activate the modules, etc. I want to know why your dropsuit (tank) should only require 1 person to operate but multiple working togeting to fight against. does your tank cost 3x isk what my 200k isk scout suit costs? If it should take a tank to kill a tank maybe it should take infantry to kill infantry. One player can take out a tank. Get good, HTFU, etc..... My tank doesn't cost quite triple of your suit, but 550k is no laughing matter. If you are unable to deal with MLT tanks, then see the above. It doesn't take a tank to kill a tank, it is a matter of effectiveness. Infantry can do it, and in certain situations can do it better than a tank can. Knowing which is which helps. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1603	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:48:00 - [48] - Quote voidfaction wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Casually moonwalking up to tank, placing remotes on tank, casually walking off in slow-motion while detonating. That just might be how it will be for a cloaked scout in 1.8 Your post made me think of this. Amazing the **** you find when you google "Cloaking Device" Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1212	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:49:00 - [49] - Quote Zene Ren wrote: balance in this situation equals: number of vehicle pilots = number of grunts needed to destroy it ps. not in a single shot ofc not even 3 AV granades pss. if you want current balance those tanks should require 3 or 4 pilots to operate and not 1 pilot holding 4 grunts to destroy it simple as that This in a world where titans are being flown by one guy in a pod. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:49:00 - [50] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: no he dint he ran around the map using a broken scout suit jumping around like a bunny so no one with out a mass driver could hit him then he used the Broke Smg so no your wrong its not skill its using broken stuff he,s good at That's what happened....this is all because you were terribad with a MD? Still hurts, doesn't it? Once a scrub, always a scrub. no bro ask anyone back in E3 scouts where broken and how is erribad with a MD when thats the only way back then to kill a scout ? stop trolling Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1603	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:50:00 - [51] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Zene Ren wrote: balance in this situation equals: number of vehicle pilots = number of grunts needed to destroy it ps. not in a single shot ofc not even 3 AV granades pss. if you want current balance those tanks should require 3 or 4 pilots to operate and not 1 pilot holding 4 grunts to destroy it simple as that This in a world where titans are being flown by one guy in a pod. and a small country's worth of support crew. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Never.Surrender 448	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:50:00 - [52] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: so tell us kids whats it to you 1 hit ? 2? 3? or team work and using the rite kind of AV? For me AV is the fact than vehicules can be destroyed. Right now they can't if they have more than 10 IQ. Vehicules Hp are good. Problem is that hardeners should'nt exist OR be less than 30% resistance. Plasma cannon should have WAY more damage. Swarms lauchers should have faster missiles.
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:52:00 - [53] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: voidfaction wrote: that is the team work for the whole battle not how it takes team work to drive the tank, shoot with the tank activate the modules, etc. I want to know why your dropsuit (tank) should only require 1 person to operate but multiple working togeting to fight against. does your tank cost 3x isk what my 200k isk scout suit costs? If it should take a tank to kill a tank maybe it should take infantry to kill infantry. One player can take out a tank. Get good, HTFU, etc..... My tank doesn't cost quite triple of your suit, but 550k is no laughing matter. If you are unable to deal with MLT tanks, then see the above. It doesn't take a tank to kill a tank, it is a matter of effectiveness. Infantry can do it, and in certain situations can do it better than a tank can. Knowing which is which helps. got to love how the other COD kids dont get that you CAN sloe a tank but just to help them out i say work as a team its why all the players you see posting hate or trying to troll are not PC players Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:52:00 - [54] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: so tell us kids whats it to you 1 hit ? 2? 3? or team work and using the rite kind of AV? For me AV is the fact than vehicules can be destroyed. Right now they can't if they have more than 10 IQ. Vehicules Hp are good. Problem is that hardeners should'nt exist OR be less than 30% resistance. Plasma cannon should have WAY more damage. Swarms lauchers should have faster missiles. we had that remember dint turn out so well ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:55:00 - [55] - Quote so let me geust are the players crying and posting hate going to rage and leave when CCP where not fixing tanks there fine HTFU ? Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1363	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:55:00 - [56] - Quote A lot of the problem comes from blasters in their current for, who needs gunners when your main gun can kill infantry easily? A large rof and range Nerf coupled with a huge damage per shot buff should fix that, it'll still kill infantry, wasting less ammo too. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4661	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:57:00 - [57] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: voidfaction wrote: that is the team work for the whole battle not how it takes team work to drive the tank, shoot with the tank activate the modules, etc. I want to know why your dropsuit (tank) should only require 1 person to operate but multiple working togeting to fight against. does your tank cost 3x isk what my 200k isk scout suit costs? If it should take a tank to kill a tank maybe it should take infantry to kill infantry. One player can take out a tank. Get good, HTFU, etc..... My tank doesn't cost quite triple of your suit, but 550k is no laughing matter. If you are unable to deal with MLT tanks, then see the above. It doesn't take a tank to kill a tank, it is a matter of effectiveness. Infantry can do it, and in certain situations can do it better than a tank can. Knowing which is which helps. Still have yet to be soloed by AV. Would you like to be the first? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
The Attorney General 1957	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:00:00 - [58] - Quote Atiim wrote: Still have yet to be soloed by AV. Would you like to be the first? Sure Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1572	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:03:00 - [59] - Quote Harpyja wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Ironic that a protostomper talks about balance.... Maybe that's the whole point. I support SP rollover.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4663	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:04:00 - [60] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: Still have yet to be soloed by AV. Would you like to be the first? Sure How about Monday in Caldari FW? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!

The Attorney General 1958	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:09:00 - [61] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about Monday in Caldari FW? ok. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1572	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:13:00 - [62] - Quote Atiim wrote: Rynoceros wrote: 1 clip MLT v MLT = 1 clip STD v STD = 1 clip ADV v ADV = 1 clip PRO v PRO = 1 clip And all AV to be balanced from that. This ^^^ Except maybe 1.5 clips for Swarms due to it's high ROF, and 2-3 shots from PLCs at it's coyyesponding tiers. And all on a 1v1 basis. I would say 2 clips, but only if the tank is webbed. In our current vehicle model it's not about damage, it's about speed and the tanks being able to control incoming damage through their hardeners and extreme mobility. if infantry could fire AV weapons from LAVs or if infantry had webbing grenades the tanks would be cooked. I support SP rollover.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1134	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:22:00 - [63] - Quote Tankers want it to take coordinated teamwork by AV to take them out which is fine but only if it takes coordinated teamwork to operate a tank. What I mean is remove large blasters, make small turrets easier to fit for tanks, and a kick feature so the tanker can remove any gunners if need be to recall or get gunners in who are on mic or in their squad. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1821	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:25:00 - [64] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rynoceros wrote: 1 clip MLT v MLT = 1 clip STD v STD = 1 clip ADV v ADV = 1 clip PRO v PRO = 1 clip And all AV to be balanced from that. Hardeners on or off? Which AV weapon? Probably flux grenades... I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
The Attorney General 1960	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:26:00 - [65] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Tankers what it to take coordinated teamwork by AV to take them out which is fine but only if it takes coordinated teamwork to operate a tank. What I mean is remove large blasters, make small turrets easier to fit for tanks, and a kick feature so the tanker can remove any gunners if need be to recall or get gunners in who are on mic or in their squad. Only bad tankers are arguing for more than one AV person to take out a tank. Anyone who is making that argument can be directed to me for correction. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1822	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:29:00 - [66] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it becomes an issue when a good tanker is parked in front of an enemy supply depot with 8 people lobbing grenades and swarms and remotes, etc. And he just kills and kills and kills until his multiple hardeners are down. That's when it frustrates me. They shouldn't be able to sit 10 meters away from multiple people without a fear in the world. Sometimes with two or three rail tanks covering the flanks. I'm done with it, I'm just going to start backing out. They can stroke each other off for the duration of a match for all I care. That's not how we go about it at all. Stop bringing up insane hypothetical situations that tanks can't survive in the game. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1822	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:31:00 - [67] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Tankers what it to take coordinated teamwork by AV to take them out which is fine but only if it takes coordinated teamwork to operate a tank. What I mean is remove large blasters, make small turrets easier to fit for tanks, and a kick feature so the tanker can remove any gunners if need be to recall or get gunners in who are on mic or in their squad. Only bad tankers are arguing for more than one AV person to take out a tank. Anyone who is making that argument can be directed to me for correction. You sound like infantry. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:33:00 - [68] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The Attorney General wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Tankers what it to take coordinated teamwork by AV to take them out which is fine but only if it takes coordinated teamwork to operate a tank. What I mean is remove large blasters, make small turrets easier to fit for tanks, and a kick feature so the tanker can remove any gunners if need be to recall or get gunners in who are on mic or in their squad. Only bad tankers are arguing for more than one AV person to take out a tank. Anyone who is making that argument can be directed to me for correction. You sound like infantry. he knows what he,s talking a bout im only saying team work becus most pub gamers dont uses it ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:33:00 - [69] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: How about Monday in Caldari FW? ok. dont know i play gal and afk the mcc to get LP Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2470	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:36:00 - [70] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: and how is erribad with a MD when thats the only way back then to kill a scout stop trolling Rifles worked fine enough. But, if Scouts were broken then, then HAVs & AV is broken now. My trolling > your literacy I GÖú Kittens.

The Attorney General 1962	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:38:00 - [71] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You sound like infantry. Just a realist of what is balanced in a game. The only question that really matters, and it gets consistently ignored is how long should it take a single AV person to destroy a tank? When people start having that discussion, then we are making progress. Until then everyone is just bashing their heads against he wall trying to defend their interests. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2179	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:39:00 - [72] - Quote HAVs 5 Swarm 'swarms' at STD/ADV. 4 at PRO. 4 FG Shots at STD/ADV. 3 at PRO. 3 Plasma Cannon Shots at STD/AVD. 2 at PRO. 6 STD AV 'nades, 5 ADV ones, and 4 PRO ones. 1 person should solo an HAV if they are focusing on it for a little while. 2 people should have a much easier time. 3 people should practically instakill it. LAVs 3 Swarms at STD/ ADV. 2 at PRO. 2 FG hits at all levels. 2 Placon Shots at STD. 1 at ADV and PRO. 3 AV Grenades at STD/ADV. 2 at PRO DSs 4/3/3 Swarms 3/3/2 FG shots 2 /2/1 Placon shots 4/4/3 Nades Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1603	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:42:00 - [73] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: You sound like infantry. Just a realist of what is balanced in a game. The only question that really matters, and it gets consistently ignored is how long should it take a single AV person to destroy a tank? When people start having that discussion, then we are making progress. Until then everyone is just bashing their heads against he wall trying to defend their interests. I am honestly trying to find a compromise. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Rusty Shallows 964	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:43:00 - [74] - Quote Asterion Cretos wrote: I don't use any type of AV or vehicles. Not my style of play. But I honestly don't see this one EVER being completely ironed out. Each side will QQ when the other is brought up a peg. Even if CCP somehow reaches some perfect balance between the two, someone will whine. Insert different Weapon or Frame nouns in your statement and that sums up the game. I'll bet you "whine" too Asterion except you consider those legitimate issues. Everyone's poop stinks. Just a part of life. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2535	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:50:00 - [75] - Quote Tanks are balanced in PC Generally anything can be OP in pubs If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode? Intelligence is OP
negative49er Profits Of Mayhem 500	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:54:00 - [76] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work yeah it take a team of hardners and reppers to be successful Dedicated Shotgun Scout
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:57:00 - [77] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Tanks are balanced in PC Generally anything can be OP in pubs If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode? nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4666	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:13:00 - [78] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Tanks are balanced in PC Generally anything can be OP in pubs If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode? nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 231	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:14:00 - [79] - Quote It depends on the day, after dealing with tanks last night I'd be fine with large bumps in the road destroying them. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 231	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:15:00 - [80] - Quote Then again I was a passenger with a gun on your tank the other night and they didn't seem nearly as bad. Screw infantry. Because, that's why.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2537	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:17:00 - [81] - Quote Atiim wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Tanks are balanced in PC Generally anything can be OP in pubs If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode? nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said Then that means mostly banning anything above adv/proto in pubs Intelligence is OP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4670	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:22:00 - [82] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Tanks are balanced in PC Generally anything can be OP in pubs If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode? nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said Then that means mostly banning anything above adv/proto in pubs I'm fine with banning PRO gear in PUB matches. As long as their are no HAVs. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:23:00 - [83] - Quote Atiim wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Tanks are balanced in PC Generally anything can be OP in pubs If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode? nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said i like that to Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2537	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:25:00 - [84] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: BAD FURRY wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Tanks are balanced in PC Generally anything can be OP in pubs If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode? nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said Then that means mostly banning anything above adv/proto in pubs I'm fine with banning PRO gear in PUB matches. As long as their are no HAVs. So then my 20mil SP is now useless in all modes except PC No If HAVs be banned, ban everything that isnt basic Intelligence is OP
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 781	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:32:00 - [85] - Quote As someone who has run tanks to decent (Not great or amazing, but decent) effect, and as someone who has played the AV role to great effect (Only while using PRO gear vs MLT vehicles) and decent effect (VS STD vehicles), I think that a fair "Balance" would be as follows: Against a MLT tank or DS: 2 players w/ MLT swarms 1 clip each, or 1 ADV swarm 1 clip w/ damage mods, or PRO swarms 2 shots w/ damage mods, (its a PRO swarm VS a MLT tank or DS), or ONE PLAYER USING MLT forge gun (3 shots landing), or adv forge (2 shots landing), or Pro forge (1 shot, I mean come on, its a PRO forge VS a MLT tank or DS) Against STD tanks or DS: 4 players w/ MLT swarms 1 clip each, or 2 ADV swarm 2 clip each w/ damage mods, or 2 players PRO swarms ( 4 shots w/ damage mods, its a PRO swarm VS a STD tank or DS), or ONE PLAYER USING MLT forge gun (6 shots landing on tank, 5 on DS), or adv forge (5 shots landing on tank, 4 on DS), or Pro forge (4 shot tank 3 shot DS (DS are more mobile), I mean come on, its a proto forge VS a STD tank or DS)) It should take teamwork to deal with tanks and DS efficiently, and no one person should be able to totally dominate everything (In either AV or vehicle), but on the flip side, one person using PRO AV and a fit that costs more than the current MLT tanks should rightly be able to one shot said tank, at least with a breach FG. Against ADV tanks or DS: (TBD, CCP took those away) Against PRO tanks or DS: (TBD, CCP took those away as well) This makes most infantry players have to team up to take down said vehicle, as well as forcing said vehicle to use infantry to its advantage, keeping it safe from the AV players. Tanks and DS should be a game changer, but not to the effect that 4 MLT tanks can roll in and dominate everything, leaving the blueberries sniping from the redline because they can't even kill one of them regardless of how many of them bring out their starter AV swarms vs the MLT tanks. If these numbers seem way off, please bring a constructive idea to the table instead of just flaming. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 478	Posted - 2014.02.14 17:26:00 - [86] - Quote hmm we could have game mods for tanks and lac,s and drop ships and modes with out them for pubs Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!


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