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The Attorney General
1958
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
How about Monday in Caldari FW?
ok.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
1572
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:13:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Rynoceros wrote:1 clip
MLT v MLT = 1 clip
STD v STD = 1 clip
ADV v ADV = 1 clip
PRO v PRO = 1 clip
And all AV to be balanced from that. This ^^^ Except maybe 1.5 clips for Swarms due to it's high ROF, and 2-3 shots from PLCs at it's coyyesponding tiers. And all on a 1v1 basis.
I would say 2 clips, but only if the tank is webbed.
In our current vehicle model it's not about damage, it's about speed and the tanks being able to control incoming damage through their hardeners and extreme mobility.
if infantry could fire AV weapons from LAVs or if infantry had webbing grenades the tanks would be cooked.
I support SP rollover.
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1134
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:22:00 -
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Tankers want it to take coordinated teamwork by AV to take them out which is fine but only if it takes coordinated teamwork to operate a tank.
What I mean is remove large blasters, make small turrets easier to fit for tanks, and a kick feature so the tanker can remove any gunners if need be to recall or get gunners in who are on mic or in their squad.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1821
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:25:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Rynoceros wrote:1 clip
MLT v MLT = 1 clip
STD v STD = 1 clip
ADV v ADV = 1 clip
PRO v PRO = 1 clip
And all AV to be balanced from that. Hardeners on or off? Which AV weapon?
Probably flux grenades...
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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The Attorney General
1960
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:26:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Tankers what it to take coordinated teamwork by AV to take them out which is fine but only if it takes coordinated teamwork to operate a tank.
What I mean is remove large blasters, make small turrets easier to fit for tanks, and a kick feature so the tanker can remove any gunners if need be to recall or get gunners in who are on mic or in their squad.
Only bad tankers are arguing for more than one AV person to take out a tank.
Anyone who is making that argument can be directed to me for correction.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1822
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:29:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it becomes an issue when a good tanker is parked in front of an enemy supply depot with 8 people lobbing grenades and swarms and remotes, etc. And he just kills and kills and kills until his multiple hardeners are down.
That's when it frustrates me. They shouldn't be able to sit 10 meters away from multiple people without a fear in the world. Sometimes with two or three rail tanks covering the flanks.
I'm done with it, I'm just going to start backing out. They can stroke each other off for the duration of a match for all I care.
That's not how we go about it at all. Stop bringing up insane hypothetical situations that tanks can't survive in the game.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1822
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:31:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Tankers what it to take coordinated teamwork by AV to take them out which is fine but only if it takes coordinated teamwork to operate a tank.
What I mean is remove large blasters, make small turrets easier to fit for tanks, and a kick feature so the tanker can remove any gunners if need be to recall or get gunners in who are on mic or in their squad. Only bad tankers are arguing for more than one AV person to take out a tank. Anyone who is making that argument can be directed to me for correction.
You sound like infantry.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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BAD FURRY
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
478
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:33:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:The Attorney General wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Tankers what it to take coordinated teamwork by AV to take them out which is fine but only if it takes coordinated teamwork to operate a tank.
What I mean is remove large blasters, make small turrets easier to fit for tanks, and a kick feature so the tanker can remove any gunners if need be to recall or get gunners in who are on mic or in their squad. Only bad tankers are arguing for more than one AV person to take out a tank. Anyone who is making that argument can be directed to me for correction. You sound like infantry.
he knows what he,s talking a bout im only saying team work becus most pub gamers dont uses it !
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BAD FURRY
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
478
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:33:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Atiim wrote:
How about Monday in Caldari FW?
ok.
dont know i play gal and afk the mcc to get LP
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2470
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:36:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote: and how is erribad with a MD when thats the only way back then to kill a scout
stop trolling
Rifles worked fine enough.
But, if Scouts were broken then, then HAVs & AV is broken now.
My trolling > your literacy
I GÖú Kittens.
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The Attorney General
1962
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:38:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
You sound like infantry.
Just a realist of what is balanced in a game.
The only question that really matters, and it gets consistently ignored is how long should it take a single AV person to destroy a tank? When people start having that discussion, then we are making progress.
Until then everyone is just bashing their heads against he wall trying to defend their interests.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2179
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:39:00 -
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HAVs
5 Swarm 'swarms' at STD/ADV. 4 at PRO.
4 FG Shots at STD/ADV. 3 at PRO.
3 Plasma Cannon Shots at STD/AVD. 2 at PRO.
6 STD AV 'nades, 5 ADV ones, and 4 PRO ones.
1 person should solo an HAV if they are focusing on it for a little while. 2 people should have a much easier time. 3 people should practically instakill it.
LAVs
3 Swarms at STD/ ADV. 2 at PRO.
2 FG hits at all levels.
2 Placon Shots at STD. 1 at ADV and PRO.
3 AV Grenades at STD/ADV. 2 at PRO
DSs
4/3/3 Swarms
3/3/2 FG shots
2 /2/1 Placon shots
4/4/3 Nades
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Gallente Neutron Rifle
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1603
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:42:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
You sound like infantry.
Just a realist of what is balanced in a game. The only question that really matters, and it gets consistently ignored is how long should it take a single AV person to destroy a tank? When people start having that discussion, then we are making progress. Until then everyone is just bashing their heads against he wall trying to defend their interests.
I am honestly trying to find a compromise.
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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Rusty Shallows
964
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:43:00 -
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Asterion Cretos wrote:I don't use any type of AV or vehicles. Not my style of play. But I honestly don't see this one EVER being completely ironed out. Each side will QQ when the other is brought up a peg. Even if CCP somehow reaches some perfect balance between the two, someone will whine.
Insert different Weapon or Frame nouns in your statement and that sums up the game. I'll bet you "whine" too Asterion except you consider those legitimate issues.
Everyone's poop stinks. Just a part of life.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2535
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:50:00 -
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Tanks are balanced in PC
Generally anything can be OP in pubs
If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode?
Intelligence is OP
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negative49er
Profits Of Mayhem
500
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:54:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Ironic that you mention teamwork, when tanking requires none
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA you never tanked it do,s take team work
yeah it take a team of hardners and reppers to be successful
Dedicated Shotgun Scout
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BAD FURRY
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
478
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:57:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Tanks are balanced in PC
Generally anything can be OP in pubs
If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode?
nope
why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here !
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4666
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:13:00 -
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BAD FURRY wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Tanks are balanced in PC
Generally anything can be OP in pubs
If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode?
nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here !
If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs.
'Nuff Said
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
231
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:14:00 -
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It depends on the day, after dealing with tanks last night I'd be fine with large bumps in the road destroying them.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
231
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:15:00 -
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Then again I was a passenger with a gun on your tank the other night and they didn't seem nearly as bad. Screw infantry.
Because, that's why.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2537
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:17:00 -
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Atiim wrote:BAD FURRY wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Tanks are balanced in PC
Generally anything can be OP in pubs
If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode?
nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said
Then that means mostly banning anything above adv/proto in pubs
Intelligence is OP
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
4670
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:22:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:BAD FURRY wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Tanks are balanced in PC
Generally anything can be OP in pubs
If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode?
nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said Then that means mostly banning anything above adv/proto in pubs
I'm fine with banning PRO gear in PUB matches. As long as their are no HAVs.
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BAD FURRY
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
478
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:BAD FURRY wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Tanks are balanced in PC
Generally anything can be OP in pubs
If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode?
nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said
i like that to
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2537
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:25:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:BAD FURRY wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Tanks are balanced in PC
Generally anything can be OP in pubs
If tanks are in a much better place for a competitve mode then what happens when you nerf tanks for pub games? are they still balanced for the competitive gamemode?
nope why cant you kids be more like mr, awesome over here ! If you won't balance them in PUBs, then don't allow them in PUBs. 'Nuff Said Then that means mostly banning anything above adv/proto in pubs I'm fine with banning PRO gear in PUB matches. As long as their are no HAVs.
So then my 20mil SP is now useless in all modes except PC
No
If HAVs be banned, ban everything that isnt basic
Intelligence is OP
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
781
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:32:00 -
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As someone who has run tanks to decent (Not great or amazing, but decent) effect, and as someone who has played the AV role to great effect (Only while using PRO gear vs MLT vehicles) and decent effect (VS STD vehicles), I think that a fair "Balance" would be as follows:
Against a MLT tank or DS: 2 players w/ MLT swarms 1 clip each, or 1 ADV swarm 1 clip w/ damage mods, or PRO swarms 2 shots w/ damage mods, (its a PRO swarm VS a MLT tank or DS), or ONE PLAYER USING MLT forge gun (3 shots landing), or adv forge (2 shots landing), or Pro forge (1 shot, I mean come on, its a PRO forge VS a MLT tank or DS)
Against STD tanks or DS: 4 players w/ MLT swarms 1 clip each, or 2 ADV swarm 2 clip each w/ damage mods, or 2 players PRO swarms ( 4 shots w/ damage mods, its a PRO swarm VS a STD tank or DS), or ONE PLAYER USING MLT forge gun (6 shots landing on tank, 5 on DS), or adv forge (5 shots landing on tank, 4 on DS), or Pro forge (4 shot tank 3 shot DS (DS are more mobile), I mean come on, its a proto forge VS a STD tank or DS))
It should take teamwork to deal with tanks and DS efficiently, and no one person should be able to totally dominate everything (In either AV or vehicle), but on the flip side, one person using PRO AV and a fit that costs more than the current MLT tanks should rightly be able to one shot said tank, at least with a breach FG.
Against ADV tanks or DS: (TBD, CCP took those away)
Against PRO tanks or DS: (TBD, CCP took those away as well)
This makes most infantry players have to team up to take down said vehicle, as well as forcing said vehicle to use infantry to its advantage, keeping it safe from the AV players.
Tanks and DS should be a game changer, but not to the effect that 4 MLT tanks can roll in and dominate everything, leaving the blueberries sniping from the redline because they can't even kill one of them regardless of how many of them bring out their starter AV swarms vs the MLT tanks.
If these numbers seem way off, please bring a constructive idea to the table instead of just flaming.
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
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BAD FURRY
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
478
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:26:00 -
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hmm we could have game mods for tanks and lac,s and drop ships and modes with out them for pubs
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