Then scouts could tank, cloak, and not show up on scans while moving.

Then scouts could tank, cloak, and not show up on scans while moving.

nope, dampeners in the lows are the only thing balancing out a caldari scout ATM, and if put in the highs, they would only help the 2 best scout classes, caldari and gallente

nope, dampeners in the lows are the only thing balancing out a caldari scout ATM, and if put in the highs, they would only help the 2 best scout classes, caldari and gallente

I would love for CCP to follow the Gallente profile from EVE more closely. Starting with this, although damage mods in the lows would help bring some balance there are some thing wrong with it. For example the HP of shield alone is way to high if you are planning on stacking 3 damage modifiers in tbe lows.That 27% damage is so much better than 200 HP.

Not saying shields are OP or anything but that damage mods give way to much for no ddrawback. Even then armor tanking with damage mods is pretty OP to.

But without damage mods.

No.

I need those high slots for my shields and damage mods and I think dampeners on a slow armor tanked suit are a waste.

And if you change damage mods to low slots what would an armor tanker use for the high slots instead if he doesn't wish to use dampeners?

I know that some things might make sense from an Eve point of view but this is not Eve and I don't think this would be a good change for Dust right now.

I need those high slots for my shields and damage mods and I think dampeners on a slow armor tanked suit are a waste.

And if you change damage mods to low slots what would an armor tanker use for the high slots instead if he doesn't wish to use dampeners?

I know that some things might make sense from an Eve point of view but this is not Eve and I don't think this would be a good change for Dust right now.

What armor tankers lack in speed they gain in total HP, so they don't really need damps to compensate for anything.

These things work in Eve because it is a totally different game. Fights work totally different in Dust than they do in Eve.

In Eve the choice between armor and shields is mainly decided by your race / preferred ship / the kind of weapon you expect your enemies to use etc.

In Dust though they serve different roles. Armor is there to stand and fight / be less mobile but hit harder and defend, where shield tankers are fast and trying to cap objectives while not being seen. In a game like Eve where there is no cover, no objectives to be capped, no equipment to be deployed or destroyed, it might make sense to balance those tanking types by making one hit hard and run and the other one have high HP and good sensors. In Dust it does not.

What is doing more damage good for when your enemy can see you through the wall? With your low HP you will be dead before you realised there was an armor tanker around the corner. And to make it worse, if you want to use damps you will further decrease your total HP as a shield tanker. The margin for errors as a shield tanker would be very small while it would not be so bad for armor tankers.

And what if you are an armor tanker and neither using damps nor scanners? A mobile shield tanker with damage mods will just rip you apart because you are too slow to react to him attacking from different positions in quick succession.

Therefore: Armor = high HP, high damage, slow
Shield = low HP, damps, fast

What armor tankers lack in speed they gain in total HP, so they don't really need damps to compensate for anything.

These things work in Eve because it is a totally different game. Fights work totally different in Dust than they do in Eve.

In Eve the choice between armor and shields is mainly decided by your race / preferred ship / the kind of weapon you expect your enemies to use etc.

In Dust though they serve different roles. Armor is there to stand and fight / be less mobile but hit harder and defend, where shield tankers are fast and trying to cap objectives while not being seen. In a game like Eve where there is no cover, no objectives to be capped, no equipment to be deployed or destroyed, it might make sense to balance those tanking types by making one hit hard and run and the other one have high HP and good sensors. In Dust it does not.

What is doing more damage good for when your enemy can see you through the wall? With your low HP you will be dead before you realised there was an armor tanker around the corner. And to make it worse, if you want to use damps you will further decrease your total HP as a shield tanker. The margin for errors as a shield tanker would be very small while it would not be so bad for armor tankers.

And what if you are an armor tanker and neither using damps nor scanners? A mobile shield tanker with damage mods will just rip you apart because you are too slow to react to him attacking from different positions in quick succession.

Therefore: Armor = high HP, high damage, slow
Shield = low HP, damps, fast

What armor tankers lack in speed they gain in total HP, so they don't really need damps to compensate for anything.

These things work in Eve because it is a totally different game. Fights work totally different in Dust than they do in Eve.

In Eve the choice between armor and shields is mainly decided by your race / preferred ship / the kind of weapon you expect your enemies to use etc.

In Dust though they serve different roles. Armor is there to stand and fight / be less mobile but hit harder and defend, where shield tankers are fast and trying to cap objectives while not being seen. In a game like Eve where there is no cover, no objectives to be capped, no equipment to be deployed or destroyed, it might make sense to balance those tanking types by making one hit hard and run and the other one have high HP and good sensors. In Dust it does not.

What is doing more damage good for when your enemy can see you through the wall? With your low HP you will be dead before you realised there was an armor tanker around the corner. And to make it worse, if you want to use damps you will further decrease your total HP as a shield tanker. The margin for errors as a shield tanker would be very small while it would not be so bad for armor tankers.

And what if you are an armor tanker and neither using damps nor scanners? A mobile shield tanker with damage mods will just rip you apart because you are too slow to react to him attacking from different positions in quick succession.

Therefore: Armor = high HP, high damage, slow
Shield = low HP, damps, fast

What armor tankers lack in speed they gain in total HP, so they don't really need damps to compensate for anything.

These things work in Eve because it is a totally different game. Fights work totally different in Dust than they do in Eve.

In Eve the choice between armor and shields is mainly decided by your race / preferred ship / the kind of weapon you expect your enemies to use etc.

In Dust though they serve different roles. Armor is there to stand and fight / be less mobile but hit harder and defend, where shield tankers are fast and trying to cap objectives while not being seen. In a game like Eve where there is no cover, no objectives to be capped, no equipment to be deployed or destroyed, it might make sense to balance those tanking types by making one hit hard and run and the other one have high HP and good sensors. In Dust it does not.

What is doing more damage good for when your enemy can see you through the wall? With your low HP you will be dead before you realised there was an armor tanker around the corner. And to make it worse, if you want to use damps you will further decrease your total HP as a shield tanker. The margin for errors as a shield tanker would be very small while it would not be so bad for armor tankers.

And what if you are an armor tanker and neither using damps nor scanners? A mobile shield tanker with damage mods will just rip you apart because you are too slow to react to him attacking from different positions in quick succession.

Therefore: Armor = high HP, high damage, slow
Shield = low HP, damps, fast

No if they moved the damage mods to the low slots it would be:
Armor= High HP, Slow, Damps
Shields= Low HP, Fast, High damage

See how that would balance out?

High damage at long range, Gallente would maintain high damage but at short range.

In DUST our Highslots are the equivalent to EVE's medium slots and Highslots are more like our weapons, equipment and grenades.

In that, Remote sensor dampening, which is a favored tactic among the Gallente, doesn't affect their low slot modules used for defense and whatnot.

Personally I feel this should be the same in DUST, along with the Range Extender. I would make a comment on Damage modifiers being moved to the Low Slots but I don't know what they have in store for damage mods. I'm hoping for modules that enhance certain characteristics of the weapon like Optimal Range, effective range, accuracy falloff and damage.

No cause then shield tankers would cry all day why they can only use biotics or armor mods in the lowslots. So i think they can keep them right where they are.

Regulators, code breakers, 2 biotics modules, PG extenders, CPU extenders and 4 different armor mods? That's still something to ***** at?

Blah blah blah, the Caldari scout will be useless with these proposed changes.

Now to balance this the Gallente need dampeners in their high slots, otherwise a shield tanker can make better use of them while retaining tank. In return the Caldari get precision and range enhancers in their low slots, this allows them to either see the Gallente coming regardless of dampeners or have greater battle awareness of those not dampened.
The upcoming scouts are imbalanced, the Gallente has a better ability to hide than the Caldari can see. To fix this scouts need to have even scan/profile dB values and precision enhancers need to match profile dampeners.

If you had read what was already posted, I answer your concerns with my suggestion.

Care to elaborate?
Ideally, include some nouns.

If you had read what was already posted, I answer your concerns with my suggestion.

In my first bit I also stated that there were multiple suggestions, so I addressed the OP, I also also severely disagree with your suggestion, so I just left it because I didn't feel the need to beat up every idea in the thread.

What you suggest would literally be to blend the scouts way to close together making the racials less significant, but the major impact then is the slot costs of damps vs precision, the difference here is that you need 1 or 2 dampeners at most for functional dampening, while with precision mods you need 2 or 3 to make then useful due to being tied to scan range mods. Under your suggestion the gallente scout would get the needed dampening level plus better precision while the caldari would be able to get its dampening but not the scanning level it needs.

You should have read a little more into the blah blah blah, where it goes into the module intensify of running passive scanning (I also offered a solution to this). Dampening is a one or two module bit (or none for some of the gal scout builds).