DUST Search - Move Profile Dampeners to Highslots.

Oswald Rehnquist wrote:

If you had read what was already posted, I answer your concerns with my suggestion.

In my first bit I also stated that there were multiple suggestions, so I addressed the OP, I also also severely disagree with your suggestion, so I just left it because I didn't feel the need to beat up every idea in the thread.

What you suggest would literally be to blend the scouts way to close together making the racials less significant, but the major impact then is the slot costs of damps vs precision, the difference here is that you need 1 or 2 dampeners at most for functional dampening, while with precision mods you need 2 or 3 to make then useful due to being tied to scan range mods. Under your suggestion the gallente scout would get the needed dampening level plus better precision while the caldari would be able to get its dampening but not the scanning level it needs.

You should have read a little more into the blah blah blah, where it goes into the module intensify of running passive scanning (I also offered a solution to this). Dampening is a one or two module bit (or none for some of the gal scout builds).

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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4662	Posted - 2014.02.14 03:17:00 - [31] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: No cause then shield tankers would cry all day why they can only use biotics or armor mods in the lowslots. So i think they can keep them right where they are. Regulators, code breakers, 2 biotics modules, PG extenders, CPU extenders and 4 different armor mods? That's still something to ***** at?
Oswald Rehnquist 1242	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:15:00 - [32] - Quote I don't even know who to reply to because you guys are suggesting so many different things But one universal thing in here is that you guys would be screwing over the caldari scout majorly with this (considering minmatar layout is 3/3 they can survive this due to being adaptable) Passive Scanning in 1.8 is going to be hard as hell as it is, 3 complex precision mods on the cal scout is countered by 1 complex dampener on a gal scout. Cal scouts still need some dampening and still need some scan range to make use of that precision to be useful, if you throw those in the high slots then you essentially make the cal scout an impossible fit to function, it either A) ignores (can't capitalize on) its racial or B) Ignores the most basic defense of scouts which is signature tanking which under your suggestion would not even allow it to have any form of shield tank in tandem. Though I do have to say you are quite talented if there was one suggestion which would literally neuter the cal scout entirely, it is this. 1 damp for basic signature defense, 1-2 precision mods to hopefully catch lightly dampened scouts, 1 range mod to make use of that precision, and you are looking at a bare minimal 3-4 required highs alone just to passively scan to make any use of that racial, which would require an advance or higher to fit its given racial role. Whereas the basic gal scout does not even need to damp because the utility of its racial allows it to forgo dampening altogether or no more past 1 complex damp and no more than 1 complex scan range and this wouldn't even be dependent on having higher tiers to function. Again I applaud you on your craftiness, passive scanning is already on an uphill climb in 1.8 (neigh impossible before then), it doesn't need to be thrown off a cliff again. **You don't need any precision racials to pick up non scouts as it is or past 1.8. Below 28 dB
Oswald Rehnquist 1242	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:21:00 - [33] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: The dark cloud wrote: No cause then shield tankers would cry all day why they can only use biotics or armor mods in the lowslots. So i think they can keep them right where they are. Regulators, code breakers, 2 biotics modules, PG extenders, CPU extenders and 4 different armor mods? That's still something to ***** at? Regulators are a yes but not as useful unless you are stacking lots of shield extenders (otherwise the numbers are too low), and I suppose if cal scouts are required to duel tank then you have something there but your just turning it into a light assault. Biotics are a waste on the cal scout, with so many low cpu/pg high slot requirements cpu/pg extenders are rendered mute, and you'll be out roled by the min scout on hacking mods (plus the speed difference) Essentially you are left with ignoring the scoutly nature of the cal scout (and racial) and turning it into a light assault Below 28 dB
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 202	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:40:00 - [34] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Blah blah blah, the Caldari scout will be useless with these proposed changes. If you had read what was already posted, I answer your concerns with my suggestion. Texs Red wrote: Now to balance this the Gallente need dampeners in their high slots, otherwise a shield tanker can make better use of them while retaining tank. In return the Caldari get precision and range enhancers in their low slots, this allows them to either see the Gallente coming regardless of dampeners or have greater battle awareness of those not dampened. The upcoming scouts are imbalanced, the Gallente has a better ability to hide than the Caldari can see. To fix this scouts need to have even scan/profile dB values and precision enhancers need to match profile dampeners.
Oswald Rehnquist 1242	Posted - 2014.02.14 05:00:00 - [35] - Quote Texs Red wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Blah blah blah, the Caldari scout will be useless with these proposed changes. If you had read what was already posted, I answer your concerns with my suggestion. Texs Red wrote: Now to balance this the Gallente need dampeners in their high slots, otherwise a shield tanker can make better use of them while retaining tank. In return the Caldari get precision and range enhancers in their low slots, this allows them to either see the Gallente coming regardless of dampeners or have greater battle awareness of those not dampened. The upcoming scouts are imbalanced, the Gallente has a better ability to hide than the Caldari can see. To fix this scouts need to have even scan/profile dB values and precision enhancers need to match profile dampeners. In my first bit I also stated that there were multiple suggestions, so I addressed the OP, I also also severely disagree with your suggestion, so I just left it because I didn't feel the need to beat up every idea in the thread. What you suggest would literally be to blend the scouts way to close together making the racials less significant, but the major impact then is the slot costs of damps vs precision, the difference here is that you need 1 or 2 dampeners at most for functional dampening, while with precision mods you need 2 or 3 to make then useful let alone the range mods to go with it so that is 3 or 4 mods. Under your suggestion the gallente scout would get the needed dampening level plus better precision while the caldari would be able to get its dampening but not the precision level it needs. You should have read a little more into the blah blah blah, where it goes into the module intensify of running passive scanning (I also offered a solution to this). Dampening is a one or two module bit (or none for some of the gal scout builds). Below 28 dB
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 650	Posted - 2014.02.14 06:40:00 - [36] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: No. Care to elaborate? Ideally, include some nouns. **** you edit: lol , couldnt resist. Who wants some?
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2014.02.14 07:07:00 - [37] - Quote Ok, I'm having a hard time visualizing this idea. Are you guys talking about altering the Slot Layout as well, or keeping it as is? Could someone perhaps post how this would look for a Gal Scout with current (or modified) Slot Layout? This would be helpful as I only play Gal Scout, and most posts seem to be focusing on Scouts in general. Also, I have never played EVE, so those references don't help me very much, unfortunately.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1056	Posted - 2014.02.14 07:24:00 - [38] - Quote I support this. Caldari scout will have bonus to precision (which is based on their lows so they can shield tank) But the Gallente have to sacrifice their tank for stealth (which are their nature. Stealth and armor). Move dampners to high slot!
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 208	Posted - 2014.02.14 14:35:00 - [39] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: If you had read what was already posted, I answer your concerns with my suggestion. In my first bit I also stated that there were multiple suggestions, so I addressed the OP, I also also severely disagree with your suggestion, so I just left it because I didn't feel the need to beat up every idea in the thread. What you suggest would literally be to blend the scouts way to close together making the racials less significant, but the major impact then is the slot costs of damps vs precision, the difference here is that you need 1 or 2 dampeners at most for functional dampening, while with precision mods you need 2 or 3 to make then useful due to being tied to scan range mods. Under your suggestion the gallente scout would get the needed dampening level plus better precision while the caldari would be able to get its dampening but not the scanning level it needs. You should have read a little more into the blah blah blah, where it goes into the module intensify of running passive scanning (I also offered a solution to this). Dampening is a one or two module bit (or none for some of the gal scout builds). Here is how I see it: Gallente: Profile damps in highs, armor in lows Caldari: Shields in highs, scan precision or range in lows Now both retain the tank they are supposed to have while allowing the racial bonus to bear. The Gallente will be very difficult to detect due to their bonus to damps and being able to fit them in highs, the Caldari (if suit scan/profile dB are the same and precision mods = profile damp mod values) will be their direct count but with more options. Both get a bonus to scan range so they are evenly matches there and their precision/dampening bonuses cancel each other out too. In the end the Caldari can either choose between a great passive scan range or a short range with the ability to see anything other than a double dampened and cloaked Gallente scout. If anything the Caldari have the advantage in my suggestion as they have more options.


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