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Athena Dare Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:27:00 - [1] - Quote Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:29:00 - [2] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance. Exactly. Why would a corp that wants fights with equal corps pay this extortion fee? If they are on PFC, not causing any problems and playing by the rules, they should not need any protection.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 976	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:34:00 - [3] - Quote Is anyone really surprised? They kinda said "pay us... or else"
DJINN Loki 60	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:37:00 - [4] - Quote meh...should be a good fight though word
excillon The Wreckers 233	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:47:00 - [5] - Quote Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1213	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:54:00 - [6] - Quote Dont forget to t-bag! Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 177	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:02:00 - [7] - Quote lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Cyrius Li-Moody 3474	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:08:00 - [8] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/55m43XM.gif Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
DJINN Loki 60	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:09:00 - [9] - Quote excillon wrote: Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do. err...why would CCP do anything about it? they gave us a game and we decide what to do with it. if this kain spero fella and his chronies want to attack peeps on PFC, it should be allowed. just dont pay and fight the good fight. if you need help, just hit me up. ill ring for free and im sure many other would too. this is what makes the EVE universe awesome. so in other words, ill allow it word
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4103	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:09:00 - [10] - Quote I'm up for hire. I will ring against anyone free of charge. I produce great results! I can't say that AE will ring for free but I sure will. Hire me/us today! GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY

GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 132	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:12:00 - [11] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I'm up for hire. I will ring against anyone free of charge. I produce great results! I can't say that AE will ring for free but I sure will. Hire me/us today! I think you meant to say "I produce great Anime" Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2290	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:28:00 - [12] - Quote Will ring for Free good results not guarnteed. Will fight NF if reimbursed 1 mill before the match... will not fight ERA, My ****** ringer service will be able though to summon a coalition of NF, AE, OH and FA, so no matter who you fight you'll get a crutch. Listen I'll change the song every week
iTbagyou Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 192	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:25:00 - [13] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Dont forget to t-bag! Oo Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 231	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:30:00 - [14] - Quote excillon wrote: Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do. CCP actually influences this and likes it from what I have always heard. CCP Lockingbro needs help! Sign!
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 556	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:40:00 - [15] - Quote the same move eon did. extort smaller corps to build a massive wallet for WAR. smart move when it comes to making isk but not so smart when it comes to community backing. you will see one of 2 things. community solid blue like it was with eon. or community siding with AE at the state of this game low player count not many skilled vets and such u will see things like this. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 212	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:02:00 - [16] - Quote PFC deserves to burn as a whole. Especially the ones foolish enough to have agreed to pay the "extortion rates". Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
DJINN Loki 62	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:09:00 - [17] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: PFC deserves to burn as a whole. Especially the ones foolish enough to have agreed to pay the "extortion rates". We don't need no waterGÇöLet the ************ burn! word
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3150	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:55:00 - [18] - Quote I was so wrong. So basically we should just start calling the new handlers the Corleone family. This is so mafia like, its crazy. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 305	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:22:00 - [19] - Quote If anyone DID NOT see this coming, please get yourself tested, You might have ' the dumb '. CEO of SAM-MIK...sometimes. (shhh don't tell anyone, they'll start asking questions)
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1089	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:24:00 - [20] - Quote BUT HEY. NO. AE. AE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE BIG BAD. I KINDA LIKED YOU GUYS AS THE BIG BAD. DAMNIT. why does there only have to be "one true evil" at a time? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3150	Posted - 2014.02.11 02:37:00 - [21] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: If anyone DID NOT see this coming, please get yourself tested, You might have ' the dumb '. Or maybe folks were hoping that some order come to PFC that would allow corps to train without more of the same? Next time we shall be sure to call you first Ms. Cleo Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 306	Posted - 2014.02.11 03:21:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: If anyone DID NOT see this coming, please get yourself tested, You might have ' the dumb '. Or maybe folks were hoping that some order come to PFC that would allow corps to train without more of the same? Next time we shall be sure to call you first Ms. Cleo You don't follow themitanni.com much do you? META! CEO of SAM-MIK...sometimes. (shhh don't tell anyone, they'll start asking questions)
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 981	Posted - 2014.02.11 03:45:00 - [23] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance. He simply wants to be an emperor of Molden Heath. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Plasma Cannon
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3160	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:04:00 - [24] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: If anyone DID NOT see this coming, please get yourself tested, You might have ' the dumb '. Or maybe folks were hoping that some order come to PFC that would allow corps to train without more of the same? Next time we shall be sure to call you first Ms. Cleo You don't follow themitanni.com much do you? META! head hangs low no...i have lost Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2461	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:16:00 - [25] - Quote who got attacked? Cause some corps don't belong there weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 307	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:27:00 - [26] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: If anyone DID NOT see this coming, please get yourself tested, You might have ' the dumb '. Or maybe folks were hoping that some order come to PFC that would allow corps to train without more of the same? Next time we shall be sure to call you first Ms. Cleo You don't follow themitanni.com much do you? META! head hangs low no...i have lost its okay bud, we all gotta start somewhere. CEO of SAM-MIK...sometimes. (shhh don't tell anyone, they'll start asking questions)
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2291	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:35:00 - [27] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: PFC deserves to burn as a whole. Especially the ones foolish enough to have agreed to pay the "extortion rates". Like every DL district... ever... Listen I'll change the song every week
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 177	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:44:00 - [28] - Quote and who is this meant to surprise? I mean come on, its so plainly obvious to everyone whos followed this story that Kain is only out to abuse the smaller corps that cant fend for themselves. its easy ***** ISK.... they cant hold their own against a regular PC corp let alone one of the original Big 3. Get a bunch of smaller corps to pay you not to attack them, kill off anyone that rebels, basically saying its their way or the high way. only another great war will get NF off PFC and get them out of PC all together. last time something like that happened EoN beat the out of every indie corp out there though. Until PC expands or we get actually skilled corps to be born in Dust, NF will continue to abuse this system just because they can. to all of you complaining about this, either do something about it or shut the ** up. CCP wont do anything for you, there expecting you to do something. to everyone else that's watching..... il get the pop corn, you guys get the drinks and other snacks meet back here in an hour. Void Echo Alt #1 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Raylon Mortien Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 28	Posted - 2014.02.11 09:31:00 - [29] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I'm up for hire. I will ring against anyone free of charge. I produce great results! I can't say that AE will ring for free but I sure will. Hire me/us today! Noted "Sir, we are surrounded!" "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
DJINN Kujo Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 927	Posted - 2014.02.11 10:11:00 - [30] - Quote We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. Ancient Exiles, CEO Your failure to plan ahead does not constitute an emergency on my end.

Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2801	Posted - 2014.02.11 16:45:00 - [31] - Quote DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2296	Posted - 2014.02.11 17:14:00 - [32] - Quote DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. Because managing PFC costs 0 ISK... smh Listen I'll change the song every week
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 261	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:54:00 - [33] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Total and useless BS Kain and you know it. You have already proven you are bullying by the attack and that RofL Corp last night. They refuse to pay, so you attack. Everything you say from this point forward is BS and should be taken as such. If said corp was not breaking any rules, was doing what they were suppose to do, you had no business kicking them out, except of course for your monetary ISK gain. You can fool these kids, but I for on am not fooled.
Athena Dare Intara Direct Action Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.02.12 03:46:00 - [34] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: BLAH BS BLAH MORE BS BLAH... with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Nice speech you running for office again? Seriously, you are so full of it. You attacked and took a district from Subsonic Synthesis, just because they wouldn't pay you. They have had that district since before Christmas, and were on the "PFC council". You have a fight against Granite Mercenary Division tonight, with plans on taking their district tonight just because they also wouldn't pay your ridiculous fees. You need ISK dust side and are using PFC to get it.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6978	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:07:00 - [35] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance. Good to see someone is playing the unfeeling mercenary card. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 350	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:23:00 - [36] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. We all know you're just out for the ISK. There's no need for PFC district owners to pay a weekly/monthly fee to you. What happens if they don't need your support for the entire month? You pocked 35m from each corp and call it a day. If your real stance is to help the community via PFC then you should do so when the problem arises, not causing problems yourself. There's quite a few corps on PFC that use it as intended without paying any fees. Not to mention most of those corps don't have the ISK to pay your "maintenance" fee. If anything you're just making most of their wallets sink deeper so their hopes of expanding off of PFC is an even more distant goal. From what I've heard you're charging 8.75m/week. 24 PFC districts = 840m a month in your pocket. You say those funds won't go to you, we all know they will. Just tell it like it is Kain. I'd rather you be honest than spread lies and false help to these corporations. I'd also like to add my ringing services are free of charge to any corp on PFC that gets attacked outside of the old rule set.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1464	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:58:00 - [37] - Quote m twiggz, one of our corps has already got far more than their money's worth in services from ERA this week alone. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1464	Posted - 2014.02.12 04:59:00 - [38] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Kain Spero wrote: BLAH BS BLAH MORE BS BLAH... with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Nice speech you running for office again? Seriously, you are so full of it. You attacked and took a district from Subsonic Synthesis, just because they wouldn't pay you. They have had that district since before Christmas, and were on the "PFC council". You have a fight against Granite Mercenary Division tonight, with plans on taking their district tonight just because they also wouldn't pay your ridiculous fees. You need ISK dust side and are using PFC to get it. You have no idea how wrong your intel is. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 944	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:00:00 - [39] - Quote I'm afraid I've got to back Kane on this one. Policing PFC is hell. And I've said this multiple times, I wouldn't touch that land without payment. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2305	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:09:00 - [40] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Athena Dare wrote: Kain Spero wrote: BLAH BS BLAH MORE BS BLAH... with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Nice speech you running for office again? Seriously, you are so full of it. You attacked and took a district from Subsonic Synthesis, just because they wouldn't pay you. They have had that district since before Christmas, and were on the "PFC council". You have a fight against Granite Mercenary Division tonight, with plans on taking their district tonight just because they also wouldn't pay your ridiculous fees. You need ISK dust side and are using PFC to get it. You have no idea how wrong your intel is. Granite's district is under ERA's control... OH WAIT, IT ISN'T! Listen I'll change the song every week

m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 352	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:31:00 - [41] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: m twiggz, one of our corps has already got far more than their money's worth in services from ERA this week alone. I suppose it's really none of my business. If said corps are willing to pay "insurance" money for "just incase" scenarios so be it. I know of several corps on PFC that don't feel the same way as you, but if the overall "vote" is to let Kain Spero dictate PFC I'm sure you guys and gals will not regret that decision.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 266	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:37:00 - [42] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: I'm afraid I've got to back Kane on this one. Policing PFC is hell. And I've said this multiple times, I wouldn't touch that land without payment. It doesn't need to be touched by an outer entity
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2305	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:39:00 - [43] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I'm afraid I've got to back Kane on this one. Policing PFC is hell. And I've said this multiple times, I wouldn't touch that land without payment. It doesn't need to be touched by an outer entity That's impossible and you know it too, there will always be **** going on, anyways what is an outside entity other than a vague term? Listen I'll change the song every week
DJINN Kujo Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 930	Posted - 2014.02.12 07:08:00 - [44] - Quote No idea what Kane posted TL:DR - probably a bunch of bullshit of how it's rightfully so and how he sucks CCP's triumphant **** and encourage himself he has any worth in Dust. Ancient Exiles, CEO Your failure to plan ahead does not constitute an emergency on my end.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.02.12 07:13:00 - [45] - Quote DJINN Kujo wrote: No idea what Kane posted TL:DR - probably a bunch of bullshit of how it's rightfully so and how he sucks CCP's triumphant ** and encourage himself he has any worth in Dust. You... mean like... everyone else? Let's give a few examples of someone who posts a bunch of bull and feels justified over it. AE: We will never lock districts. AE: We will police PFC. AE: We're locking districts on CCP's holiday so that they can fix the game. I wonder who from AE posted these things? Lol Lol, meta. Meta is gone - I haven't seen meta in ages. It's all just ** talking to boost egos now. PFC? Let's be real: We don't care - you don't care. You know who cares? The little guy. And that's where we all start caring - because we care about the little guy. So let's shoot someone for doing something that both helps the little guy - and the parties involved in doing the actual 'helping' that'll show the community how progress should be made! Who the fuck needs logic, anyways? MY ENEMIES ARE MAKING ISK - BURN EVERYTHING DOWN! lolol
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2168	Posted - 2014.02.12 07:37:00 - [46] - Quote DJINN Kujo wrote: No idea what Kane posted TL:DR - probably a bunch of bullshit of how it's rightfully so and how he sucks CCP's triumphant **** and encourage himself he has any worth in Dust. See, there was hope you'd refute the idea of being butthurt over the numerous AE losses...but this... CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood 562	Posted - 2014.02.12 10:02:00 - [47] - Quote Hey with everyone locking districts because of RA. Escrow Services are going to need a planet at some point, And the only one online is the PFC... so why not take the PFC to make a point?. Its all publicity guys, and your all fueling the fire. Its a great way to show everyone how there currently crushing the RA Tyrants. Same thing happend when STB fielded TP to murder the imps... History reapeating itself. STB EU Director since October 2012. STB EVE Pilot ; Vervz
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2307	Posted - 2014.02.12 13:56:00 - [48] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Same thing happend when STB fielded TP to murder the imps... You mean when TP and STB were beaten by Imps and STB prime turned into reg's tolietbowl after which most of the old Imps left... Listen I'll change the song every week
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 60	Posted - 2014.02.12 14:36:00 - [49] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Kain Spero wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. We all know you're just out for the ISK. There's no need for PFC district owners to pay a weekly/monthly fee to you. What happens if they don't need your support for the entire month? You pocked 35m from each corp and call it a day. If your real stance is to help the community via PFC then you should do so when the problem arises, not causing problems yourself. There's quite a few corps on PFC that use it as intended without paying any fees. Not to mention most of those corps don't have the ISK to pay your "maintenance" fee. If anything you're just making most of their wallets sink deeper so their hopes of expanding off of PFC is an even more distant goal. From what I've heard you're charging 8.75m/week. 24 PFC districts = 840m a month in your pocket. You say those funds won't go to you, we all know they will. Just tell it like it is Kain. I'd rather you be honest than spread lies and false help to these corporations. I'd also like to add my ringing services are free of charge to any corp on PFC that gets attacked outside of the old rule set. There is also other services provided for that fee which makes it beneficial for all parties. We are not Stupid mr dark legion and co, it was in part your actions and others specific actions that made us organise like this and let it be known that spero is acting in unison with the council. If that doesnt make its way to your brain then so be it...
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2014.02.12 15:04:00 - [50] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance. from the desk of Cubs: first off, Escrow Removal and Acquisition is NOT 'Kane Spero's' it is the public face of NF, not 1 person, but an entire alliance. Second, you're absolutely right it is removing riffraff from PFC. You want to allow yourself to sleep at night saying we are targeting those that don't want to pay? Well you are absolutely right!! But you, like most other Rhodes Scholars we have here in the War Room, are completely oblivious to the reasoning for such attacks. Its just like training a dog. When your pet doesn't listen, do you sit there and just talk to it and expect it to understand what you're saying and thus alter its behavior to abide by the 'laws' you are imposing upon it? No, dogs are semi-intelligent dumb animals, with personality. I have a dog myself, a lab, great with the kids, and a great pet and part of my family. the damn thing STILl eats socks and toilet paper and make a mess when we aren't home. My wife has tried to 'talk' to her, for years... does nothing. Now I'll smack the dog (full blood lab weighing ~100lbs) and u know what? MY personal experience is you impose a stern, loving hand and amazingly enough, it listens to me. Sure it has lapses, but soon as it sees me it knows it F#%ked up and runs in her little area with her ears down. ------------------------------------------------------end transmission------------------------------------- Disclaimer: Cubs in no way advocates animal cruelty or violence, but is a strong believer in physical discipline. no carebears in his house Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience

Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2014.02.12 15:14:00 - [51] - Quote Why is NF targeting PFC? Wasn't NF one of the original advocators of PFC? Did you not say before that y'all wanted smaller corps to have a chance at PC but with lower stakes? So why target PFC? Profit? Don't y'all already run pubs in proto? I've ran with CNN Newscaster and The Legend345 before, and they used nothing short of Proto suits. same with seeing cubs and friends running protos in factionals. Plus, NF already has a decent amount of districts. Why steal back something they gave away? This is not good PR. A lot of smaller corps are upset. I understand if you are tired of dealing with PFC corps but just saying a sort of "Pay up or get sacked" ? That seems pretty low in my opinion. I guess from a personal standpoint, I would have thought NF and the most elite corporations of the game wouldn't stoop so low. Note: These are my own opinions. They do not necessarily portray the opinions of my corporation or my alliance. It's just mine. Sora's the name. Gallente is my game. Yup! Gallente Specialist Here :) Chromosome Veteran *Subsonic.*
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 36	Posted - 2014.02.12 15:27:00 - [52] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: Same thing happend when STB fielded TP to murder the imps... You mean when TP and STB were beaten by Imps and STB prime turned into reg's tolietbowl after which most of the old Imps left... from the desk of Cubs: " you miss the bigger picture. Yes the end result was SVER prime turning to ashes, but STB fielding TEAM, RND, ZION and other top talent NOT in IMPS at the time handed IMPS their first EVER loss in PC. and 2 other extremely narrow victories, the closest anyone had come to toppling the beasts that were IMPS. this in turn led to the catapulting of TEAM, RND, and the rest of EoN to the forefront of PC, which allowed many more wars to unfold and lots of good times for all. and no I wouldn't EVER say 'murder' imps. the match won was by 7 ticks, the 2 lost matches were by 2 ticks and the famed 0-0 match. It showed everyone that ANYONE can win on any given day. even having the most talent doesn't necessarily translate into a win and that KoNo is an absolute monster (akin to 'the Duke' from Boondock Saints) and that Jesse and Grimmiers, to this day are probably THE most underrated slayers of all time on this game' -------------------------------------end transmission------------------------------------ reminiscing the good ole days when talent, skill and teamwork actually determined victories and not exploits. Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood 565	Posted - 2014.02.12 15:45:00 - [53] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: Same thing happend when STB fielded TP to murder the imps... You mean when TP and STB were beaten by Imps and STB prime turned into reg's tolietbowl after which most of the old Imps left... Who are you again? becuase your always posting, but dont really know anything about what your talking about? I doubt you were even a merc in New Eden when the above occured!. Makes you look a bit stupid TBH. Thank you to Cubs Secretary for clearing a few things up, no we didnt 'murder' the imps, but it was enough. It was definately a pin-ultimate point that turn the tide in TP/EONs favour. The good ol' days indeed. STB EU Director since October 2012. STB EVE Pilot ; Vervz
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2314	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:21:00 - [54] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: Same thing happend when STB fielded TP to murder the imps... You mean when TP and STB were beaten by Imps and STB prime turned into reg's tolietbowl after which most of the old Imps left... from the desk of Cubs: " you miss the bigger picture. Yes the end result was SVER prime turning to ashes, but STB fielding TEAM, RND, ZION and other top talent NOT in IMPS at the time handed IMPS their first EVER loss in PC. and 2 other extremely narrow victories, the closest anyone had come to toppling the beasts that were IMPS. this in turn led to the catapulting of TEAM, RND, and the rest of EoN to the forefront of PC, which allowed many more wars to unfold and lots of good times for all. and no I wouldn't EVER say 'murder' imps. the match won was by 7 ticks, the 2 lost matches were by 2 ticks and the famed 0-0 match. It showed everyone that ANYONE can win on any given day. even having the most talent doesn't necessarily translate into a win and that KoNo is an absolute monster (akin to 'the Duke' from Boondock Saints) and that Jesse and Grimmiers, to this day are probably THE most underrated slayers of all time on this game' -------------------------------------end transmission------------------------------------ reminiscing the good ole days when talent, skill and teamwork actually determined victories and not exploits. Agreed was trying to farm likes for bashing STB... I see your point though PS ZION and Talent in the same sentence. what? there's talent in Zion? Aside from Adapt and Kill I've never seen any ZTCD that impresses me when fighting a serious threat, damn gal logi with a MD... I mean RND and TP Grimmers I wouldn't say is underrated, it's the wrong word I think he isn't very well known, those who know him know that he is very good. Listen I'll change the song every week
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2314	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:32:00 - [55] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: Same thing happened when STB fielded TP to murder the imps... You mean when TP and STB were beaten by Imps and STB prime turned into reg's tolietbowl after which most of the old Imps left... Who are you again? becuase your always posting, but dont really know anything about what your talking about? I doubt you were even a merc in New Eden when the above occurred!. Makes you look a bit stupid TBH. Thank you to Cubs Secretary for clearing a few things up, no we didn't 'murder' the imps, but it was enough. It was definitely a pin-ultimate point that turn the tide in TP/EONs favour. The good ol' days indeed. I'm nobody... but I know my corp's leadership isn't corrupt, I know that drama hasn't faced me, I know that STB always bandwagons and then loses STB prime, I know that when serious matches come you hire ringers. I am not important what I know is. I know one thing for sure STB DIDN'T win those battles EoN. did. I was a merc at the time I've been around since Open Beta, was doing a little ringing for Zion vs Pro Hic around then if I remember correctly You say we a lot but every video I see I see +50% ringers in those matches Listen I'll change the song every week
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 958	Posted - 2014.02.12 23:08:00 - [56] - Quote SoldOut TryAgain wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: No idea what Kane posted TL:DR - probably a bunch of bullshit of how it's rightfully so and how he sucks CCP's triumphant ** and encourage himself he has any worth in Dust. You... mean like... everyone else? Let's give a few examples of someone who posts a bunch of bull and feels justified over it. AE: We will never lock districts. AE: We will police PFC. AE: We're locking districts on CCP's holiday so that they can fix the game. I wonder who from AE posted these things? Lol Lol, meta. Meta is gone - I haven't seen meta in ages. It's all just ** talking to boost egos now. PFC? Let's be real: We don't care - you don't care. You know who cares? The little guy. And that's where we all start caring - because we care about the little guy. So let's shoot someone for doing something that both helps the little guy - and the parties involved in doing the actual 'helping' that'll show the community how progress should be made! Who the fuck needs logic, anyways? MY ENEMIES ARE MAKING ISK - BURN EVERYTHING DOWN! lolol You sir, should at least be nice enough to give kujo some ointment for that burn. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Athena Dare Intara Direct Action Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:26:00 - [57] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: from the desk of Cubs: Second, you're absolutely right it is removing riffraff from PFC. You want to allow yourself to sleep at night saying we are targeting those that don't want to pay? Well you are absolutely right!! ... Its just like training a dog. When your pet doesn't listen, do you sit there and just talk to it and expect it to understand what you're saying and thus alter its behavior to abide by the 'laws' you are imposing upon it? No, dogs are semi-intelligent dumb animals, with personality. At least you are honorable enough to admit that Kane is running a protection racket, if you don't pay Kane's fees you get attacked or put down just like a dog.
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:39:00 - [58] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: from the desk of Cubs: Second, you're absolutely right it is removing riffraff from PFC. You want to allow yourself to sleep at night saying we are targeting those that don't want to pay? Well you are absolutely right!! ... Its just like training a dog. When your pet doesn't listen, do you sit there and just talk to it and expect it to understand what you're saying and thus alter its behavior to abide by the 'laws' you are imposing upon it? No, dogs are semi-intelligent dumb animals, with personality. At least you are honorable enough to admit that Kane is running a protection racket, if you don't pay Kane's fees you get attacked or put down just like a dog. Damn right. ISK or Death! Huzzzzah!!!!!
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN Dark Taboo 111	Posted - 2014.02.14 15:54:00 - [59] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Sorry but your information is incorrect my brother and I started this corp with people from various alliances mostly friends of ours, but we do hire ringers OH, AE, FA and Capital Acquisition alike. You just need a reason, an excuse to attack someone. In all fairness your trying to justify attacking a young corp while alienating AE a good plan but its dishonest to the community and unbecoming of a CPM. Come to think of it my brother and I are the only ones in our corp who have any affiliation with AE whatsoever.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2137	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:05:00 - [60] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: Kain Spero wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Sorry but your information is incorrect my brother and I started this corp with people from various alliances mostly friends of ours, but we do hire ringers OH, AE, FA and Capital Acquisition alike. You just need a reason, an excuse to attack someone. In all fairness your trying to justify attacking a young corp while alienating AE a good plan but its dishonest to the community and unbecoming of a CPM. Come to think of it my brother and I are the only ones in our corp who have any affiliation with AE whatsoever. Quick Question: If you cannot field a full 16 man team, then why the *** are you in PC? Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset* I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah

xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN Dark Taboo 112	Posted - 2014.02.14 16:35:00 - [61] - Quote We can, not everyone's on all the time, I missed a few pcs myself. Work, school, family, women...between these infinitely more important points there's not much time for dust. All I wanted was to come home relax and play a few competitive matches with people I know or squad up with. The ringers we get are usually the same guys because they're just a good bunch of people and play often. Hell my day starts at 6am and I don't get home till 9 and I know this is true for other people. This is a game that people play to have fun why you have some sort of superiority complex from a video game is beyond me.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4896	Posted - 2014.02.15 01:50:00 - [62] - Quote excillon wrote: Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do. What did RA do that was bad? No sarcasm, I genuinely want to know what we did lol. On a side note, this thread is chalk full of meandering little girls. This is New Eden, there's always going to be a bigger, badder bad guy. It's like the fish in Star Wars: Episode 1. Only, yanno, there's a couple of hundred/thousand Jar-Jars all clamoring over which of their fish has the bigger... fins. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2196	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:07:00 - [63] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: Kain Spero wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Sorry but your information is incorrect my brother and I started this corp with people from various alliances mostly friends of ours, but we do hire ringers OH, AE, FA and Capital Acquisition alike. You just need a reason, an excuse to attack someone. In all fairness your trying to justify attacking a young corp while alienating AE a good plan but its dishonest to the community and unbecoming of a CPM. Come to think of it my brother and I are the only ones in our corp who have any affiliation with AE whatsoever. Quick Question: If you cannot field a full 16 man team, then why the *** are you in PC*? Is his reliability on ringers any different from osgr's? Lol CEO Fatal Absolution B3RT > PFBHz > TP > MHPD > IMP > F4TAL Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
Maniak Madness Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 9	Posted - 2014.02.15 07:43:00 - [64] - Quote Wasnt kain asking for 9mill a week? that does not seem to be too much to pay for protection from other well established corps. Althought any corps that bought a pfc district before the weekly rent announcement should be entitled to a full refund for there pfc district should they choose not to pay the rent. To me its a fair price to preserve the only faucet this game has to allow smaller corps to train and to keep pc from being locked out from all new players. In a completely sane world, madness is the only freedom.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 333	Posted - 2014.02.15 08:17:00 - [65] - Quote This whole event rings closely to a real life event...know what it was called? The trail of tears (google it). "short sighted" are those whose "vision" is different from yours. You damn yourself with your mouth,and you condemn others with your actions. You deserve what is coming,and you don't even know it's practically right next to you... Enjoy abusing the weak while you can for you will be undone from within. Geso~ Neko mimi mode
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4901	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:02:00 - [66] - Quote Meee One wrote: This whole event rings closely to a real life event...know what it was called? The trail of tears (google it). "short sighted" are those whose "vision" is different from yours. You damn yourself with your mouth,and you condemn others with your actions. You deserve what is coming,and you don't even know it's practically right next to you... Enjoy abusing the weak while you can for you will be undone from within. As someone with Choctaw blood, I'm actually somewhat insulted that you would compare this to the Trail of Tears. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 320	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:09:00 - [67] - Quote Meee One wrote: This whole event rings closely to a real life event...know what it was called? The trail of tears (google it). "short sighted" are those whose "vision" is different from yours. You damn yourself with your mouth,and you condemn others with your actions. You deserve what is coming,and you don't even know it's practically right next to you... Enjoy abusing the weak while you can for you will be undone from within. for siht sake man. no. just no. if this resembles any terrible even in history, its Europe from 1934 to 1939. Kane's rise to power and total control mirror that of Tibus Heth's. Hes doing it incredibly well. just makes you wonder, who's the Allied forces? CEO of SAM-MIK...sometimes. (shhh don't tell anyone, they'll start asking questions)
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1872	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:55:00 - [68] - Quote I am still amazed to this day how many vags play dust and I'm not talking about the lady mercs either. PFC should be nuked and all you big boys that haven't been weened off your moms tit yet can earn your place like everyone else. ** I would charge you ***s 50% of your isk to have a PFC district. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Salt Dog 76 Red Star. EoN. 64	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:05:00 - [69] - Quote BURN IT (PFC) TO THE GROUND. Make them go out into the wild and carve out there own glory, like so many corps did for themselves on DDAY.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1033	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:57:00 - [70] - Quote Curiosity question.. Before MH was completely locked down... How many corps that started out on PFC "graduated" and started to win PC battles and conquer districts outside of PFC? Anyone have any hard facts(lol) on that one? If the answer is very few, or none (which I assume it will be) then this experiment is a bust and is truly just a place for top dogs to make money either through the latest protection racket scheme, or being payed to ring. I'm all for bringing new players, and retaining lesser skilled, newer corps here in this lovely game.. but if system either no longer promotes, or never has promoted, the graduation of these indy new corps to real PC then what the hell is the point?

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 305	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:13:00 - [71] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Curiosity question.. Before MH was completely locked down... How many corps that started out on PFC "graduated" and started to win PC battles and conquer districts outside of PFC? Mainly by themselves, or with very few ringers or alliance help. Anyone have any hard facts(lol) on that one? If the answer is very few, or none (which I assume it will be) then this experiment is a bust and is truly just a place for top dogs to make money either through the latest protection racket scheme, or being payed to ring. I'm all for bringing new players, and retaining lesser skilled, newer corps here in this lovely game.. but if this system either no longer promotes, or never has promoted or been successful at, the graduation of these indy new corps to real PC then what the hell is the point? To make the top 1% even richer? Yeah, no thanks (hence all the drama) Bullit, never thought I would agree 100% on anything with you, but this is a most excellent point. Kudos!
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1035	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:19:00 - [72] - Quote No doubt! I would love to be proven wrong on that theory though. personally... I want the little guys to have a shot, stay active and interested, and for the player base to grow. Heck, leaps and bounds growth would be phenomenal. But if they aren't actually improving or even attempting to expand outside of PFC then that kinda goes against the purpose? no? I also think that the current district locking shenanigans have gotten all of our panties in a proverbial bunch. And it makes the above theory impossible to disprove until CCP addresses district locking. Then on the other hand, If we all had a bunch of fights daily to look forward to most of us wouldn't care about PFC (just like before) or what's going on there, or who is making money off of it. Its a conundrum of epic proportions!
weccer Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:52:00 - [73] - Quote Free Beers wrote: I am still amazed to this day how many vags play dust and I'm not talking about the lady mercs either. PFC should be nuked and all you big boys that haven't been weened off your moms tit yet can earn your place like everyone else. ** I would charge you ***s 50% of your isk to have a PFC district. Hey Free Beers just want to let you know everybody thinks I'm you. You see...real proof. Weccer is not Free Beers.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4914	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:27:00 - [74] - Quote weccer wrote: Free Beers wrote: I am still amazed to this day how many vags play dust and I'm not talking about the lady mercs either. PFC should be nuked and all you big boys that haven't been weened off your moms tit yet can earn your place like everyone else. ** I would charge you ***s 50% of your isk to have a PFC district. Hey Free Beers just want to let you know everybody thinks I'm you. You see...real proof. Weccer is not Free Beers. I too, can switch characters in the top right. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Derrith Erador General Tso's Alliance 1022	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:31:00 - [75] - Quote Honestly I think PFC should just be shot. Kill the dang thing. I can see the rulers of PFC as parents going by generation, and PFC as a spoiled child. First I believe was EON, who would always put their foot down, but only stepped in to whoop a kids behind with a leather belt. which meant less QQ from the lower levels, but I believe would attribute to no corps ever in PFC surviving outside PFC. Next came I think a joint effort with PX1 and the generals, who were still sort of EON if I remember correctly. And at that time came some misunderstanding between Generals and PX1 under a disciplinary issue, Generals being the Grandpa who spoils the grandchildren. At that time it became more liberal with it's parents. Then came AE, which didn't give two craps about properly raising PFC. In a parenting view, they were the dad and mom who sat on the couch smoking pot and watching bugs bunny while their kids got into their Grandpas Vicodin stash. DDB then tried to come into PFC and fix it, but the kids were too rowdy, they didn't have the parenting skills to deal with it. And lastly, the current holders of PFC are NF, which can be compared to the black momma. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican! Now a level 1 forum warrior.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1876	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:48:00 - [76] - Quote weccer wrote: Free Beers wrote: I am still amazed to this day how many vags play dust and I'm not talking about the lady mercs either. PFC should be nuked and all you big boys that haven't been weened off your moms tit yet can earn your place like everyone else. ** I would charge you *s 50% of your isk to have a PFC district. Hey Free Beers just want to let you know everybody thinks I'm you. You see...real proof. Weccer is not Free Beers. Not everyone can be rich, good looking, and have a big . ** that guy. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
excillon The Wreckers 247	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:51:00 - [77] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Curiosity question.. Before MH was completely locked down... How many corps that started out on PFC "graduated" and started to win PC battles and conquer districts outside of PFC? Mainly by themselves, or with very few ringers or alliance help. Anyone have any hard facts(lol) on that one? If the answer is very few, or none (which I assume it will be) then this experiment is a bust and is truly just a place for top dogs to make money either through the latest protection racket scheme, or being payed to ring. I'm all for bringing new players, and retaining lesser skilled, newer corps here in this lovely game.. but if this system either no longer promotes, or never has promoted or been successful at, the graduation of these indy new corps to real PC then what the hell is the point? To make the top 1% even richer? Yeah, no thanks (hence all the drama) Bullit, never thought I would agree 100% on anything with you, but this is a most excellent point. Kudos! Agreed. He hit the nail on the head with this one.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 326	Posted - 2014.02.16 00:17:00 - [78] - Quote Free Beers wrote: weccer wrote: Free Beers wrote: I am still amazed to this day how many vags play dust and I'm not talking about the lady mercs either. PFC should be nuked and all you big boys that haven't been weened off your moms tit yet can earn your place like everyone else. ** I would charge you *s 50% of your isk to have a PFC district. Hey Free Beers just want to let you know everybody thinks I'm you. You see...real proof. Weccer is not Free Beers. Not everyone can be rich, good looking, and have a big . that guy. You're right, women usually do ** that guy. CEO of SAM-MIK...sometimes. (shhh don't tell anyone, they'll start asking questions)
Dengru Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 422	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:16:00 - [79] - Quote Meee One wrote: This whole event rings closely to a real life event...know what it was called? The trail of tears (google it). "short sighted" are those whose "vision" is different from yours. You damn yourself with your mouth,and you condemn others with your actions. You deserve what is coming,and you don't even know it's practically right next to you... Enjoy abusing the weak while you can for you will be undone from within. are you really likenining the extortion of a bunch of scrub corps to ethnic cleansing this is why some of you people have been on pfc for months with no discernible improvements, heads VERY far up your asses (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1502	Posted - 2014.02.16 01:16:00 - [80] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: I'm all for bringing new players, and retaining lesser skilled, newer corps here in this lovely game.. but if this system either no longer promotes, or never has promoted or been successful at, the graduation of these indy new corps to real PC then what the hell is the point? To make the top 1% even richer? Yeah, no thanks (hence all the drama) It allows more people to use PC for what are, essentially, corp battles. Why is it all about the money or the territory or the bragging rights? We simply do fights. Many of them. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1041	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:48:00 - [81] - Quote Soraya, you seem to be a big supporter of PFC. Can you tell me how many corps, if any, have graduated from PFC? Im not sure if I can even entertain your comment, this game is mostly about money, land and bragging rights, no? Isnt that the point? Or are we playing checkers. Like i said i would continue to support pfc, not that it matters tho, if you could offer some evidence that it actually works. Or perhaps, worked for even one single corp? Because i cant recall any names that come to mind of corps who busted out of pfc in a dominating blaze of awesomeness.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 66	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:36:00 - [82] - Quote Can anybody also tell us the number of mercs, very proficient ones that go with a big corp either in recruitment or that switch corp for big pay check or the glory of the moment, being part of the big conqueror of the moment. All these numbers wont make a difference because the player base of this game is so small it is very hard to keep good players around when building a corp from the ground up. Everybody likes to win, i get that, is there a place in all that non sense for people that try hard to make dust a better game. Most if not all of you guys are guilty of running in proto suit being negative isk gain just to better your ego. What you dont realize is that its not good for player retention. Pfc can be a door to augment the number of new corps in PC. Corps will Break probably before getting to MH if they can never get the training or enough cash to sustain attacks. Most of you probably have billions of isk stored and its pretty easy to start a new gig with new alts, but the reality of normal life ppl that dont live in their mothers basement is we still want to play the end game. We organised something here deal with it qs we have to deal with what most other corp pull as bs in pub games.
ZOORGON Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 36	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:40:00 - [83] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. Gods Among Men is NOT an alt corp for AE. They have hired us in the past. Just because you personally have never heard of them does not mean there automatically an alt corp for Ancient Exiles. We usually lose the first few PC's against our opponents until we learn their strategies and counter them. TP, OH, FA, and soon to come N-F. Example A GÇ£A true soldier fights not because he hates whats in front of him, but because he loves whats behind him"
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 721	Posted - 2014.02.16 12:55:00 - [84] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Curiosity question.. Before MH was completely locked down... How many corps that started out on PFC "graduated" and started to win PC battles and conquer districts outside of PFC? Mainly by themselves, or with very few ringers or alliance help. Anyone have any hard facts(lol) on that one? If the answer is very few, or none (which I assume it will be) then this experiment is a bust and is truly just a place for top dogs to make money either through the latest protection racket scheme, or being payed to ring, or policing PFC by taking districts then selling them to indy corps, etc etc. I'm all for bringing new players, and retaining lesser skilled, newer corps here in this lovely game.. but if this system either no longer promotes, or never has promoted or been successful at, the graduation of these indy new corps to real PC then what the hell is the point? To make the top 1% even richer? Yeah, no thanks (hence all the drama) Yeah, the basic PFC model - a group of relatively inexperienced players that 'get gud' through low-risk PC battles - has never produced a competitive corp. The good new corps that come through are almost always made up of experienced PC players from other corps and unknown pubstars. I do think Cubs and Sha started PFC up with the best of intentions, but it's been obvious for quite a while that it's primarily a means for some of the top dogs to extract a few extra isk through direct farming (not so long since NS/NC held three PFC districts), taking and selling land from disfavoured PFC corps, and extortion rackets.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 34	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:35:00 - [85] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance. Hey man I'm all for guys with god complexes, I'm just in it to kill people and read funny headlines. This whole game at the end of the day is just a digital avenue for sex. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 455	Posted - 2014.02.16 15:25:00 - [86] - Quote Kain, I think you need to open your books to quiet many of the concerns voiced here (and in other threads)....Leadfoot
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 317	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:30:00 - [87] - Quote I think someone in charge should answer Bullits question. How many have graduated from PFC and went on to bigger things?
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.02.16 20:55:00 - [88] - Quote Not in charge. But I have an answer and my own question. Either zero or maybe one or two. Why is that? PFC has had many problems since it was first conceived. Originally it was made with the purpose of being a "leave the politics at the door" brawl zone for the larger corps. You can see how our notion of "graduating" does not apply to this timeframe After, when it became clear that it wasn't going to be used in this manner, it was repurposed towards what it is supposed to be today. In TP we tried to get it to work right, but it never quite got there. A few problems kept it from becoming what we hoped it would be. 1. Neglect. Controlling 80+ districts and having no real incentive besides playing sheriff, we only really had time to do defenses and removals when we were not busy. We were unable to keep good intel on who was using the district as intended and our ability to keep it running suffered. DDB had enough of its own problems to deal with as well, and AE just don't care. Outside forces will always have a hard time keeping up with what is actually going on the planet. The PFC/Protector format will alleviate this. It splits the job(THIS IS WORK, Don't kid yourself) in half. As a result of #1. 2. Corps on PFC not using the district as intended. Includes district lockers, farmers, using the area as a beachhead, etc. A great many corps that have been involved on PFC have just used it to farm isk. They had no intention of getting better or anything like that. Because of this, the planet has never run at anything more than 50% efficiency. 3. Fear of outside threat. The corps on PFC paid good money (or illegally seized a district) to get there. Using the district as intended could have lead to an opportunistic attack from someone like Men in BLACK OPS on a low clone district. This fear and uncertainty may have caused an already low usage rate to fall even lower. As a result of #2 and #3. 4. Few potential opponents. It Is hard to get a good feel for PFC if you just played one person all the time. If all you ever played was Pro Hic, you would think that PC was all just mass drivers and roof tops. Solid tactics aren't well learned from few sources. 5. No graduation timeframe . No incentive to leave PFC (or disincentive to stay). Incentive makes the world go round. If PFC is to succeed, I ask the PFC council to make hard guidelines/rules for people to eventually move off.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3394	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:05:00 - [89] - Quote excillon wrote: Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do. Yep ;) we aquired a lot of land but at least we let people do their thing (and left smaller corps alone). Hell, we gave smaller corps their chances :D The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2335	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:10:00 - [90] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Not in charge. But I have an answer and my own question. Either zero or maybe one or two. Why is that? PFC has had many problems since it was first conceived. Originally it was made with the purpose of being a "leave the politics at the door" brawl zone for the larger corps. You can see how our notion of "graduating" does not apply to this timeframe After, when it became clear that it wasn't going to be used in this manner, it was repurposed towards what it is supposed to be today. In TP we tried to get it to work right, but it never quite got there. A few problems kept it from becoming what we hoped it would be. 1. Neglect. Controlling 80+ districts and having no real incentive besides playing sheriff, we only really had time to do defenses and removals when we were not busy. We were unable to keep good intel on who was using the district as intended and our ability to keep it running suffered. DDB had enough of its own problems to deal with as well, and AE just don't care. Outside forces will always have a hard time keeping up with what is actually going on the planet. The PFC/Protector format will alleviate this. It splits the job(THIS IS WORK, Don't kid yourself) in half. As a result of #1. 2. Corps on PFC not using the district as intended. Includes district lockers, farmers, using the area as a beachhead, etc. A great many corps that have been involved on PFC have just used it to farm isk. They had no intention of getting better or anything like that. Because of this, the planet has never run at anything more than 50% efficiency. 3. Fear of outside threat. The corps on PFC paid good money (or illegally seized a district) to get there. Using the district as intended could have lead to an opportunistic attack from someone like Men in BLACK OPS on a low clone district. This fear and uncertainty may have caused an already low usage rate to fall even lower. As a result of #2 and #3. 4. Few potential opponents. It Is hard to get a good feel for PFC if you just played one person all the time. If all you ever played was Pro Hic, you would think that PC was all just mass drivers and roof tops. Solid tactics aren't well learned from few sources. 5. No graduation timeframe . No incentive to leave PFC (or disincentive to stay). Incentive makes the world go round. If PFC is to succeed, I ask the PFC council to make hard guidelines/rules for people to eventually move off. Solid Posts may have returned... Listen I'll change the song every week

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 320	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:53:00 - [91] - Quote The answer is zero because it doesnt work.
Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1578	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:55:00 - [92] - Quote Athena Dare wrote: Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance. I always wanted to burn something down...appears that day will never come. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 234	Posted - 2014.02.18 11:12:00 - [93] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: m twiggz wrote: Kain Spero wrote: DJINN Kujo wrote: We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. We all know you're just out for the ISK. There's no need for PFC district owners to pay a weekly/monthly fee to you. What happens if they don't need your support for the entire month? You pocked 35m from each corp and call it a day. If your real stance is to help the community via PFC then you should do so when the problem arises, not causing problems yourself. There's quite a few corps on PFC that use it as intended without paying any fees. Not to mention most of those corps don't have the ISK to pay your "maintenance" fee. If anything you're just making most of their wallets sink deeper so their hopes of expanding off of PFC is an even more distant goal. From what I've heard you're charging 8.75m/week. 24 PFC districts = 840m a month in your pocket. You say those funds won't go to you, we all know they will. Just tell it like it is Kain. I'd rather you be honest than spread lies and false help to these corporations. I'd also like to add my ringing services are free of charge to any corp on PFC that gets attacked outside of the old rule set. There is also other services provided for that fee which makes it beneficial for all parties. We are not Stupid mr dark legion and co, it was in part your actions and others specific actions that made us organise like this and let it be known that spero is acting in unison with the council. If that doesnt make its way to your brain then so be it... Good, waste more than the 300m+ you've already invested in it. PFC must burn! Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 71	Posted - 2014.02.18 13:11:00 - [94] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Not in charge. But I have an answer and my own question. Either zero or maybe one or two. Why is that? PFC has had many problems since it was first conceived. Originally it was made with the purpose of being a "leave the politics at the door" brawl zone for the larger corps. You can see how our notion of "graduating" does not apply to this timeframe After, when it became clear that it wasn't going to be used in this manner, it was repurposed towards what it is supposed to be today. In TP we tried to get it to work right, but it never quite got there. A few problems kept it from becoming what we hoped it would be. 1. Neglect. Controlling 80+ districts and having no real incentive besides playing sheriff, we only really had time to do defenses and removals when we were not busy. We were unable to keep good intel on who was using the district as intended and our ability to keep it running suffered. DDB had enough of its own problems to deal with as well, and AE just don't care. Outside forces will always have a hard time keeping up with what is actually going on the planet. The PFC/Protector format will alleviate this. It splits the job(THIS IS WORK, Don't kid yourself) in half. As a result of #1. 2. Corps on PFC not using the district as intended. Includes district lockers, farmers, using the area as a beachhead, etc. A great many corps that have been involved on PFC have just used it to farm isk. They had no intention of getting better or anything like that. Because of this, the planet has never run at anything more than 50% efficiency. 3. Fear of outside threat. The corps on PFC paid good money (or illegally seized a district) to get there. Using the district as intended could have lead to an opportunistic attack from someone like Men in BLACK OPS on a low clone district. This fear and uncertainty may have caused an already low usage rate to fall even lower. As a result of #2 and #3. 4. Few potential opponents. It Is hard to get a good feel for PFC if you just played one person all the time. If all you ever played was Pro Hic, you would think that PC was all just mass drivers and roof tops. Solid tactics aren't well learned from few sources. 5. No graduation timeframe . No incentive to leave PFC (or disincentive to stay). Incentive makes the world go round. If PFC is to succeed, I ask the PFC council to make hard guidelines/rules for people to eventually move off. There have been talk about putting forward a maximum training time. I know i will lobby for that even though it could mean we will eject ourselves as an example. If we are then unprepares and fail to take a district we will put ourselves back on the waiting list. I think this is how it should be unless a better mechanic exist to synch 16 vs 16 full corp.
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 561	Posted - 2014.02.18 13:30:00 - [95] - Quote dont really know if someone already said this but killer zion produced some of the best players in closed beta before your clone was even thought of. do ur history more then a few of the imps came from zion. and in closed beta zion was also a power house. when the imps were created it was a f.u.k.i.n nightmare. because then was a perfected team of slayers and teamplayers who couldnt be beat. there was other corps out there who were just as good but i just felt the need to tell you that zion at one point was a very good team. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
NF Travel Agent Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 8	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:36:00 - [96] - Quote ANON Illuminati wrote: dont really know if someone already said this but killer zion produced some of the best players in closed beta before your clone was even thought of. do ur history more then a few of the imps came from zion. and in closed beta zion was also a power house. when the imps were created it was a f.u.k.i.n nightmare. because then was a perfected team of slayers and teamplayers who couldnt be beat. there was other corps out there who were just as good but i just felt the need to tell you that zion at one point was a very good team. Negative Feedback was created in closed beta in all actuality we use to fight team players. Now in uprising we have common goals and ambitions for dust 514. The community is in an "uprising" about Planet Fight Club (pun intended). What Negative Feedback is doing is a long term goal and what is best for dust 514 not individual corporations . I'll say it one more time being on Planet Fight Club is a privilege not a right so please stop feeling so entitled to it. Contact in game to buy a district or register .
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 562	Posted - 2014.02.19 08:47:00 - [97] - Quote NF Travel Agent wrote: ANON Illuminati wrote: dont really know if someone already said this but killer zion produced some of the best players in closed beta before your clone was even thought of. do ur history more then a few of the imps came from zion. and in closed beta zion was also a power house. when the imps were created it was a f.u.k.i.n nightmare. because then was a perfected team of slayers and teamplayers who couldnt be beat. there was other corps out there who were just as good but i just felt the need to tell you that zion at one point was a very good team. Negative Feedback was created in closed beta in all actuality we use to fight team players. Now in uprising we have common goals and ambitions for dust 514. The community is in an "uprising" about Planet Fight Club (pun intended). What Negative Feedback is doing is a long term goal and what is best for dust 514 not individual corporations . I'll say it one more time being on Planet Fight Club is a privilege not a right so stop feeling so entitled to it. umm??? i was never there. lol we had to fight eon for districts when we started pc and we earned ours by fighting corps in regular pc i dont think anonymous was EVER in pfc. woulda been nice to farm some good ole isk but never could. we learned the hard way *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
Kitten Commander Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 262	Posted - 2014.03.11 00:18:00 - [98] - Quote LOL, you idiots are still playing this game? Anyone could see that PC is nothing more than a big circle jerk when this game 'launched'. I'm guessing its just the same people in different corps doing the same BS over and over. And it's funny to think that this fake institution such as PFC will be any different than PC as a whole if NF takes hold. You all must have gotten hit on the head within the past year if you don't remember what the Imps original mission was. They don't hold districts, just flip and sell. What's happening in PFC will happen over all of PC. I'll be back in a month or two to savor in all you chumps' tears when NF is your overlord. Go play a real game
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 15	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:15:00 - [99] - Quote People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. I love how if anyone has a problem they make a forum post about it although, there are numerous Corps and that love the business that NF provides. So instead of trying to bash through a single page.... Look at the bigger picture and don't use them. There's a message in my Cheerios!
The Baby Shaker Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:21:00 - [100] - Quote Screw PFC. Bring back the indy planet. That did help corps develop while keeping them protected from the big corps. I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

ER-Bullitt 1188	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:57:00 - [101] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. Wrong. In fact, it would be ignorant to think everyone has the same philosophy as you regardling lolisk and reasons for doing certain things. Just sayin
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 175	Posted - 2014.03.12 04:08:00 - [102] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... Not new, just new to you.
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 30	Posted - 2014.03.12 04:12:00 - [103] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. Wrong. In fact, it would be ignorant to think everyone has the same philosophy as you regardling lolisk and reasons for doing certain things. Just sayin Mad bro? There's a message in my Cheerios!
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 308	Posted - 2014.03.12 04:16:00 - [104] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, by the way, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud.
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 30	Posted - 2014.03.12 04:18:00 - [105] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, by the way, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. Mericuh' There's a message in my Cheerios!
ER-Bullitt 1188	Posted - 2014.03.12 05:28:00 - [106] - Quote Lunatic Kota wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. Wrong. In fact, it would be ignorant to think everyone has the same philosophy as you regardling lolisk and reasons for doing certain things. Just sayin Mad bro? Hardly, just sharing the knowledge
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 30	Posted - 2014.03.12 05:53:00 - [107] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Lunatic Kota wrote: People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. Wrong. In fact, it would be ignorant to think everyone has the same philosophy as you regardling lolisk and reasons for doing certain things. Just sayin Mad bro? Hardly, just sharing the knowledge Okay I will give you that. Not everyone has the same idiology, I suppose. Just the people that matter. There's a message in my Cheerios!
xMaggot Brainx Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2014.03.12 09:26:00 - [108] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. Your ignorance has no end. Maybe you should research some behavioral studies on personalities and how they relate to peoples game interactions. I'll agree it is not an exact parallel but there is enough proof for Lanius to a least pose the question that he did. You must have big plans for all your ISK in this economic driven online game or do you just slober and look at the screen when you look at your wallet? Goes back to why people hire ringers to hold on to a district. If you are not playing your own PC battles then you are just accumulating ISK for no reason. Or maybe to buy Proto suit for pub matches. This game is fun when you are playing it as a FPS but also fundamentally flawed. Good thing it is free...
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 177	Posted - 2014.03.12 12:02:00 - [109] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. New ideas? Funny, the mafia has been running protection rackets like this in one form or another for centuries. Original it ain't. Not new, just new to you.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 308	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:01:00 - [110] - Quote xMaggot Brainx wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. Your ignorance has no end. Maybe you should research some behavioral studies on personalities and how they relate to peoples game interactions. I'll agree it is not an exact parallel but there is enough proof for Lanius to a least pose the question that he did. You must have big plans for all your ISK in this economic driven online game or do you just slober and look at the screen when you look at your wallet? Goes back to why people hire ringers to hold on to a district. If you are not playing your own PC battles then you are just accumulating ISK for no reason. Or maybe to buy Proto suit for pub matches. This game is fun when you are playing it as a FPS but also fundamentally flawed. Good thing it is free... Was this comment a serious one? Behavior studies? Do you know ANYTHING about Psychology? If you did, you would know how inconclusive and unreliable most studies are. Especially one conducted on online behaviors. Don't call others ignorant then prove yourself to be one. And if there's no reason to gather ISK - why play? Obviously there IS a reason, maybe go watch 2009 Dust Demos. Now hop off my D just because I'm making ISK and you want some. All you have to do is git gud. It's not that hard, kid.

Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 308	Posted - 2014.03.12 16:10:00 - [111] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. New ideas? Funny, the mafia has been running protection rackets like this in one form or another for centuries. Original it ain't. Nit picking, I see. Ignore the rest of the comment basically calling you an idiot and focus on the one word that may drive a question. It still doesn't change how dumb you look regardless of how far you nit pick my comments. But go a head, I know you know what I mean by adding new ideas to the game, no need to explain myself. Or are you really that dumb? Let's find out in your next post.
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1598	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:52:00 - [112] - Quote excillon wrote: Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do. Clearly you don't know eve bud ;) Marston VC, STB Director
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 132	Posted - 2014.03.14 05:50:00 - [113] - Quote He also doesnt get the effort required to have more than 15 corps discussing together.... Quebec United CFO
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1028	Posted - 2014.03.14 05:56:00 - [114] - Quote I still dont understand why people even bother with PC. Laggy, with low frame rate half the time - skirmish match. If its the passive income you seek then build yourself a decent force and go and stomp on the other corps until you have a good amount of districts. Go hard or go home. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB ZERG EVENT 1MILLION CLONES! LETS DO THIS
xMaggot Brainx Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2014.03.14 06:06:00 - [115] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: xMaggot Brainx wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: Titus Stryker wrote: lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. Your ignorance has no end. Maybe you should research some behavioral studies on personalities and how they relate to peoples game interactions. I'll agree it is not an exact parallel but there is enough proof for Lanius to a least pose the question that he did. You must have big plans for all your ISK in this economic driven online game or do you just slober and look at the screen when you look at your wallet? Goes back to why people hire ringers to hold on to a district. If you are not playing your own PC battles then you are just accumulating ISK for no reason. Or maybe to buy Proto suit for pub matches. This game is fun when you are playing it as a FPS but also fundamentally flawed. Good thing it is free... Was this comment a serious one? Behavior studies? Do you know ANYTHING about Psychology? If you did, you would know how inconclusive and unreliable most studies are. Especially one conducted on online behaviors. Don't call others ignorant then prove yourself to be one. And if there's no reason to gather ISK - why play? Obviously there IS a reason, maybe go watch 2009 Dust Demos. Now hop off my D just because I'm making ISK and you want some. All you have to do is git gud. It's not that hard, kid. Apparently I know much more about the topic than you do. The facts are out there if anyone really wanted to look into it.


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