Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do.

Quick Question:

If you cannot field a full 16 man team, then why the **** are you in PC?

This whole event rings closely to a real life event...know what it was called?
The trail of tears (google it).
"short sighted" are those whose "vision" is different from yours.
You damn yourself with your mouth,and you condemn others with your actions.
You deserve what is coming,and you don't even know it's practically right next to you...
Enjoy abusing the weak while you can for you will be undone from within.

This whole event rings closely to a real life event...know what it was called?
The trail of tears (google it).
"short sighted" are those whose "vision" is different from yours.
You damn yourself with your mouth,and you condemn others with your actions.
You deserve what is coming,and you don't even know it's practically right next to you...
Enjoy abusing the weak while you can for you will be undone from within.

Curiosity question..

Before MH was completely locked down...

How many corps that started out on PFC "graduated" and started to win PC battles and conquer districts outside of PFC? Mainly by themselves, or with very few ringers or alliance help.

Anyone have any hard facts(lol) on that one?

If the answer is very few, or none (which I assume it will be) then this experiment is a bust and is truly just a place for top dogs to make money either through the latest protection racket scheme, or being payed to ring.

I'm all for bringing new players, and retaining lesser skilled, newer corps here in this lovely game.. but if this system either no longer promotes, or never has promoted or been successful at, the graduation of these indy new corps to real PC then what the hell is the point? To make the top 1% even richer? Yeah, no thanks (hence all the drama)

I am still amazed to this day how many vags play dust and I'm not talking about the lady mercs either. PFC should be nuked and all you big boys that haven't been weened off your moms tit yet can earn your place like everyone else.

**** I would charge you *****s 50% of your isk to have a PFC district.

Hey Free Beers just want to let you know everybody thinks I'm you. You see...real proof. Weccer is not Free Beers.

Hey Free Beers just want to let you know everybody thinks I'm you. You see...real proof. Weccer is not Free Beers.

Bullit, never thought I would agree 100% on anything with you, but this is a most excellent point. Kudos!

Not everyone can be rich, good looking, and have a big ****. **** that guy.

This whole event rings closely to a real life event...know what it was called?
The trail of tears (google it).
"short sighted" are those whose "vision" is different from yours.
You damn yourself with your mouth,and you condemn others with your actions.
You deserve what is coming,and you don't even know it's practically right next to you...
Enjoy abusing the weak while you can for you will be undone from within.

I'm all for bringing new players, and retaining lesser skilled, newer corps here in this lovely game.. but if this system either no longer promotes, or never has promoted or been successful at, the graduation of these indy new corps to real PC then what the hell is the point? To make the top 1% even richer? Yeah, no thanks (hence all the drama)

I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can.

I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes.

As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for.

It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected.

Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most.

Curiosity question..

Before MH was completely locked down...

How many corps that started out on PFC "graduated" and started to win PC battles and conquer districts outside of PFC? Mainly by themselves, or with very few ringers or alliance help.

Anyone have any hard facts(lol) on that one?

If the answer is very few, or none (which I assume it will be) then this experiment is a bust and is truly just a place for top dogs to make money either through the latest protection racket scheme, or being payed to ring, or policing PFC by taking districts then selling them to indy corps, etc etc.

I'm all for bringing new players, and retaining lesser skilled, newer corps here in this lovely game.. but if this system either no longer promotes, or never has promoted or been successful at, the graduation of these indy new corps to real PC then what the hell is the point? To make the top 1% even richer? Yeah, no thanks (hence all the drama)

Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance.

Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do.

Not in charge. But I have an answer and my own question.

Either zero or maybe one or two.

Why is that?

PFC has had many problems since it was first conceived. Originally it was made with the purpose of being a "leave the politics at the door" brawl zone for the larger corps. You can see how our notion of "graduating" does not apply to this timeframe

After, when it became clear that it wasn't going to be used in this manner, it was repurposed towards what it is supposed to be today. In TP we tried to get it to work right, but it never quite got there. A few problems kept it from becoming what we hoped it would be.

1. Neglect. Controlling 80+ districts and having no real incentive besides playing sheriff, we only really had time to do defenses and removals when we were not busy. We were unable to keep good intel on who was using the district as intended and our ability to keep it running suffered. DDB had enough of its own problems to deal with as well, and AE just don't care.

Outside forces will always have a hard time keeping up with what is actually going on the planet. The PFC/Protector format will alleviate this. It splits the job(THIS IS WORK, Don't kid yourself) in half.

As a result of #1.
2. Corps on PFC not using the district as intended. Includes district lockers, farmers, using the area as a beachhead, etc. A great many corps that have been involved on PFC have just used it to farm isk. They had no intention of getting better or anything like that. Because of this, the planet has never run at anything more than 50% efficiency.

3. Fear of outside threat. The corps on PFC paid good money (or illegally seized a district) to get there. Using the district as intended could have lead to an opportunistic attack from someone like Men in BLACK OPS on a low clone district. This fear and uncertainty may have caused an already low usage rate to fall even lower.

As a result of #2 and #3.
4. Few potential opponents. It Is hard to get a good feel for PFC if you just played one person all the time. If all you ever played was Pro Hic, you would think that PC was all just mass drivers and roof tops. Solid tactics aren't well learned from few sources.

5. No graduation timeframe . No incentive to leave PFC (or disincentive to stay). Incentive makes the world go round. If PFC is to succeed, I ask the PFC council to make hard guidelines/rules for people to eventually move off.