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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
320
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:53:00 -
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The answer is zero because it doesnt work. |
Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1578
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:55:00 -
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Athena Dare wrote:Kane Spero's Escrow Removal and Acquisition Services is living up to it's name. Now it is launching attacks against PFC corps that won't pay them protection money. Proving that paying for Kane's "insurance" really only insures you won't get attacked by him and his alliance. I always wanted to burn something down...appears that day will never come.
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Spartan MK420
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
234
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Posted - 2014.02.18 11:12:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:m twiggz wrote:Kain Spero wrote:DJINN Kujo wrote:We made a vouch to never take out PFC or make people pay taxes, it's all stupid if you ask me. Sounds like NF needs funds. Whomever is on PFC and want to counter it, you should collaborate. I'm sure that explains while the AE alt corp Gods Among Men is actively trying to flip a PFC district. Under AE rule of PFC district locking prevailed and corps that had no desire to participate in PFC set up shop on the planet. Now that NF has flipped districts owned by AE to fill contracts (please see: example A , example B, example C ) I understand that you would like to retaliate in any way you can. I find it unfortunate that you would turn your gaze to disrupting PFC when the members of the planet will finally be the ones who set the rules and a financial model is in place that allows them to be confident in their unified defense and enforcement of the rules rather than hopes and well-wishes. As it stands now the majority of the members on PFC are participating in the council and are in the process of tackling the many issues that PFC faces in regards with rules and regulations. It will take time for the system to be running at full steam but I'm confident that in time PFC will reach a level of operation that many would have only hoped for. It is unfortunate that some of the current occupants are either too short-sighted or unable to comprehend the financial model at the crux of the PFC council and its enforcement. The system is designed to be mutually beneficial to all parties and allow PFC members to rule their own day-to-day affairs. As it stands right now the expenses that have included negotiating the peaceful egress of members off PFC that were not present for PFC and the removal of district lockers has far exceeded any income. At this time bringing order to PFC and establishing the PFC council is a net loss as was originally expected and projected. Personally, I receive no payment or funds from my help with PFC as all income is used to cover expenses including hiring ringers, paying for Eve support, and helping cover clone pack costs to resettle a member who has lost their district illegally should the need arise. As the PFC Council progresses and PFC is brought to order any excess funds will be placed in escrow to insure funds are available when PFC needs them most. We all know you're just out for the ISK. There's no need for PFC district owners to pay a weekly/monthly fee to you. What happens if they don't need your support for the entire month? You pocked 35m from each corp and call it a day. If your real stance is to help the community via PFC then you should do so when the problem arises, not causing problems yourself. There's quite a few corps on PFC that use it as intended without paying any fees. Not to mention most of those corps don't have the ISK to pay your "maintenance" fee. If anything you're just making most of their wallets sink deeper so their hopes of expanding off of PFC is an even more distant goal. From what I've heard you're charging 8.75m/week. 24 PFC districts = 840m a month in your pocket. You say those funds won't go to you, we all know they will. Just tell it like it is Kain. I'd rather you be honest than spread lies and false help to these corporations. I'd also like to add my ringing services are free of charge to any corp on PFC that gets attacked outside of the old rule set. There is also other services provided for that fee which makes it beneficial for all parties. We are not Stupid mr dark legion and co, it was in part your actions and others specific actions that made us organise like this and let it be known that spero is acting in unison with the council. If that doesnt make its way to your brain then so be it...
Good, waste more than the 300m+ you've already invested in it. PFC must burn!
Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
71
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:11:00 -
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Stiddlefaxq wrote:Not in charge. But I have an answer and my own question.
Either zero or maybe one or two.
Why is that?
PFC has had many problems since it was first conceived. Originally it was made with the purpose of being a "leave the politics at the door" brawl zone for the larger corps. You can see how our notion of "graduating" does not apply to this timeframe
After, when it became clear that it wasn't going to be used in this manner, it was repurposed towards what it is supposed to be today. In TP we tried to get it to work right, but it never quite got there. A few problems kept it from becoming what we hoped it would be.
1. Neglect. Controlling 80+ districts and having no real incentive besides playing sheriff, we only really had time to do defenses and removals when we were not busy. We were unable to keep good intel on who was using the district as intended and our ability to keep it running suffered. DDB had enough of its own problems to deal with as well, and AE just don't care.
Outside forces will always have a hard time keeping up with what is actually going on the planet. The PFC/Protector format will alleviate this. It splits the job(THIS IS WORK, Don't kid yourself) in half.
As a result of #1. 2. Corps on PFC not using the district as intended. Includes district lockers, farmers, using the area as a beachhead, etc. A great many corps that have been involved on PFC have just used it to farm isk. They had no intention of getting better or anything like that. Because of this, the planet has never run at anything more than 50% efficiency.
3. Fear of outside threat. The corps on PFC paid good money (or illegally seized a district) to get there. Using the district as intended could have lead to an opportunistic attack from someone like Men in BLACK OPS on a low clone district. This fear and uncertainty may have caused an already low usage rate to fall even lower.
As a result of #2 and #3. 4. Few potential opponents. It Is hard to get a good feel for PFC if you just played one person all the time. If all you ever played was Pro Hic, you would think that PC was all just mass drivers and roof tops. Solid tactics aren't well learned from few sources.
5. No graduation timeframe . No incentive to leave PFC (or disincentive to stay). Incentive makes the world go round. If PFC is to succeed, I ask the PFC council to make hard guidelines/rules for people to eventually move off.
There have been talk about putting forward a maximum training time. I know i will lobby for that even though it could mean we will eject ourselves as an example. If we are then unprepares and fail to take a district we will put ourselves back on the waiting list. I think this is how it should be unless a better mechanic exist to synch 16 vs 16 full corp. |
ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
561
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Posted - 2014.02.18 13:30:00 -
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dont really know if someone already said this but killer zion produced some of the best players in closed beta before your clone was even thought of. do ur history more then a few of the imps came from zion. and in closed beta zion was also a power house.
when the imps were created it was a f.u.k.i.n nightmare. because then was a perfected team of slayers and teamplayers who couldnt be beat. there was other corps out there who were just as good but i just felt the need to tell you that zion at one point was a very good team.
I Sware It Wasnt Me
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NF Travel Agent
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback
8
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Posted - 2014.02.18 15:36:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:dont really know if someone already said this but killer zion produced some of the best players in closed beta before your clone was even thought of. do ur history more then a few of the imps came from zion. and in closed beta zion was also a power house.
when the imps were created it was a f.u.k.i.n nightmare. because then was a perfected team of slayers and teamplayers who couldnt be beat. there was other corps out there who were just as good but i just felt the need to tell you that zion at one point was a very good team.
Negative Feedback was created in closed beta in all actuality we use to fight team players. Now in uprising we have common goals and ambitions for dust 514. The community is in an "uprising" about Planet Fight Club (pun intended). What Negative Feedback is doing is a long term goal and what is best for dust 514 not individual corporations . I'll say it one more time being on Planet Fight Club is a privilege not a right so please stop feeling so entitled to it.
Contact in game to buy a district or register .
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ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
562
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Posted - 2014.02.19 08:47:00 -
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NF Travel Agent wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:dont really know if someone already said this but killer zion produced some of the best players in closed beta before your clone was even thought of. do ur history more then a few of the imps came from zion. and in closed beta zion was also a power house.
when the imps were created it was a f.u.k.i.n nightmare. because then was a perfected team of slayers and teamplayers who couldnt be beat. there was other corps out there who were just as good but i just felt the need to tell you that zion at one point was a very good team.
Negative Feedback was created in closed beta in all actuality we use to fight team players. Now in uprising we have common goals and ambitions for dust 514. The community is in an "uprising" about Planet Fight Club (pun intended). What Negative Feedback is doing is a long term goal and what is best for dust 514 not individual corporations . I'll say it one more time being on Planet Fight Club is a privilege not a right so stop feeling so entitled to it. umm??? i was never there. lol we had to fight eon for districts when we started pc and we earned ours by fighting corps in regular pc i dont think anonymous was EVER in pfc. woulda been nice to farm some good ole isk but never could. we learned the hard way
I Sware It Wasnt Me
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Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
262
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Posted - 2014.03.11 00:18:00 -
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LOL, you idiots are still playing this game? Anyone could see that PC is nothing more than a big circle jerk when this game 'launched'. I'm guessing its just the same people in different corps doing the same BS over and over. And it's funny to think that this fake institution such as PFC will be any different than PC as a whole if NF takes hold. You all must have gotten hit on the head within the past year if you don't remember what the Imps original mission was. They don't hold districts, just flip and sell. What's happening in PFC will happen over all of PC.
I'll be back in a month or two to savor in all you chumps' tears when NF is your overlord.
Go play a real game |
Lunatic Kota
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
15
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:15:00 -
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People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. I love how if anyone has a problem they make a forum post about it although, there are numerous Corps and that love the business that NF provides. So instead of trying to bash through a single page.... Look at the bigger picture and don't use them.
There's a message in my Cheerios!
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The Baby Shaker
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
146
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:21:00 -
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Screw PFC. Bring back the indy planet. That did help corps develop while keeping them protected from the big corps.
I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
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ER-Bullitt
1188
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:57:00 -
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Lunatic Kota wrote:People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant.
Wrong.
In fact, it would be ignorant to think everyone has the same philosophy as you regardling lolisk and reasons for doing certain things.
Just sayin |
Lanius Pulvis
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
175
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:08:00 -
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Titus Stryker wrote:lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme.
It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?...
Not new, just new to you.
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Lunatic Kota
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
30
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:12:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Lunatic Kota wrote:People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. Wrong. In fact, it would be ignorant to think everyone has the same philosophy as you regardling lolisk and reasons for doing certain things. Just sayin
Mad bro?
There's a message in my Cheerios!
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
308
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:16:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote:Titus Stryker wrote:lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, by the way, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things.
Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. |
Lunatic Kota
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
30
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Posted - 2014.03.12 04:18:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote:Titus Stryker wrote:lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, by the way, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud.
Mericuh'
There's a message in my Cheerios!
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ER-Bullitt
1188
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Posted - 2014.03.12 05:28:00 -
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Lunatic Kota wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Lunatic Kota wrote:People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. Wrong. In fact, it would be ignorant to think everyone has the same philosophy as you regardling lolisk and reasons for doing certain things. Just sayin Mad bro?
Hardly, just sharing the knowledge |
Lunatic Kota
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
30
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Posted - 2014.03.12 05:53:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Lunatic Kota wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Lunatic Kota wrote:People thinking anyone would do anything for free in an economy based game is just ignorant. Wrong. In fact, it would be ignorant to think everyone has the same philosophy as you regardling lolisk and reasons for doing certain things. Just sayin Mad bro? Hardly, just sharing the knowledge
Okay I will give you that. Not everyone has the same idiology, I suppose. Just the people that matter.
There's a message in my Cheerios!
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xMaggot Brainx
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.03.12 09:26:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote:Titus Stryker wrote:lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud.
Your ignorance has no end. Maybe you should research some behavioral studies on personalities and how they relate to peoples game interactions. I'll agree it is not an exact parallel but there is enough proof for Lanius to a least pose the question that he did.
You must have big plans for all your ISK in this economic driven online game or do you just slober and look at the screen when you look at your wallet? Goes back to why people hire ringers to hold on to a district. If you are not playing your own PC battles then you are just accumulating ISK for no reason. Or maybe to buy Proto suit for pub matches. This game is fun when you are playing it as a FPS but also fundamentally flawed. Good thing it is free... |
Lanius Pulvis
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
177
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Posted - 2014.03.12 12:02:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote:Titus Stryker wrote:lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. New ideas? Funny, the mafia has been running protection rackets like this in one form or another for centuries. Original it ain't.
Not new, just new to you.
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
308
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:01:00 -
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xMaggot Brainx wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote:Titus Stryker wrote:lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. Your ignorance has no end. Maybe you should research some behavioral studies on personalities and how they relate to peoples game interactions. I'll agree it is not an exact parallel but there is enough proof for Lanius to a least pose the question that he did. You must have big plans for all your ISK in this economic driven online game or do you just slober and look at the screen when you look at your wallet? Goes back to why people hire ringers to hold on to a district. If you are not playing your own PC battles then you are just accumulating ISK for no reason. Or maybe to buy Proto suit for pub matches. This game is fun when you are playing it as a FPS but also fundamentally flawed. Good thing it is free... Was this comment a serious one? Behavior studies? Do you know ANYTHING about Psychology? If you did, you would know how inconclusive and unreliable most studies are. Especially one conducted on online behaviors.
Don't call others ignorant then prove yourself to be one.
And if there's no reason to gather ISK - why play? Obviously there IS a reason, maybe go watch 2009 Dust Demos.
Now hop off my D just because I'm making ISK and you want some. All you have to do is git gud. It's not that hard, kid. |
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
308
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:10:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote:Titus Stryker wrote:lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. New ideas? Funny, the mafia has been running protection rackets like this in one form or another for centuries. Original it ain't. Nit picking, I see. Ignore the rest of the comment basically calling you an idiot and focus on the one word that may drive a question.
It still doesn't change how dumb you look regardless of how far you nit pick my comments. But go a head, I know you know what I mean by adding new ideas to the game, no need to explain myself. Or are you really that dumb? Let's find out in your next post. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1598
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:52:00 -
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excillon wrote:Why is it that the next big group in pc is always worse than the former? And I thought eon and RA were bad. Apologies to them. This is sick. Extortion of small corps is the absolute lowest. And of course ccp won't do anything about it because you know it would be the right and moral thing to do.
Clearly you don't know eve bud ;)
Marston VC, STB Director
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
132
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:50:00 -
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He also doesnt get the effort required to have more than 15 corps discussing together....
Quebec United CFO
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
1028
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:56:00 -
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I still dont understand why people even bother with PC.
Laggy, with low frame rate half the time - skirmish match.
If its the passive income you seek then build yourself a decent force and go and stomp on the other corps until you have a good amount of districts.
Go hard or go home.
Join our public channel -
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ZERG EVENT 1MILLION CLONES! LETS DO THIS
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xMaggot Brainx
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2014.03.14 06:06:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:xMaggot Brainx wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Lanius Pulvis wrote:Titus Stryker wrote:lol, have fun with this PR nightmare @Kane @Sota @Regnyum @Cubs If they cared how they look... They probably don't understand or wouldn't believe how little Dusties think of them. They seem to believe anyone speaking ill of them is just butt-hurt and needs to "get gud". So why bother even talking about their little extortion scheme. It's kind of interesting in an abstract way how giving people a way to indulge their worst impulses without repurcussions just brings out the dark side of human nature. I wonder what these people are like in real life?... I find it disgusting you'd compare video game antics to reality. Regardless of how you personally feel, which is, just an opinion, an economic driven online game like this one is going to inspire new ideas and methods to work with and involve yourself and others in. You don't need to have any sort of villainous intent to come up with these things. Now stop acting butt hurt and git gud. Your ignorance has no end. Maybe you should research some behavioral studies on personalities and how they relate to peoples game interactions. I'll agree it is not an exact parallel but there is enough proof for Lanius to a least pose the question that he did. You must have big plans for all your ISK in this economic driven online game or do you just slober and look at the screen when you look at your wallet? Goes back to why people hire ringers to hold on to a district. If you are not playing your own PC battles then you are just accumulating ISK for no reason. Or maybe to buy Proto suit for pub matches. This game is fun when you are playing it as a FPS but also fundamentally flawed. Good thing it is free... Was this comment a serious one? Behavior studies? Do you know ANYTHING about Psychology? If you did, you would know how inconclusive and unreliable most studies are. Especially one conducted on online behaviors. Don't call others ignorant then prove yourself to be one. And if there's no reason to gather ISK - why play? Obviously there IS a reason, maybe go watch 2009 Dust Demos. Now hop off my D just because I'm making ISK and you want some. All you have to do is git gud. It's not that hard, kid.
Apparently I know much more about the topic than you do. The facts are out there if anyone really wanted to look into it.
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