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Fat Bottom Bitch Commando Perkone Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:24:00 - [1] - Quote So now our beloved Kain Spero, CPM Superstar has now demanded 8.75 million ISK a week from each corp that owns a district on PFC. What exactly will Mr. Spero do with this 227,500,000 ISK a week exactly. He will make sure that NF and Too... Flatlines will not take your PFC district. What a deal. If someone else should attack your PFC district with the intention of trying to take it. It will cost you extra for it's defense and/or recovery. That's Kain! The man of the hour, a CCP employee, and the leader of Dust's latest extortion racket!
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 30	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:28:00 - [2] - Quote I can always make an alt corp and really give you a reason to want that protection 8 million is nothing, I'll pay it right now to have an alt corp generate clones...8m isn't even one day of clone generation
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2487	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:30:00 - [3] - Quote That's hilarious, Stuff like this makes me wish i had friends so i can enslave others and extort ISK out of them... Goes back to evil lair to plot 8Mil is pocket change to individuals the price tag to keep your districts is pretty good tbh. Buying EVE CE codes for Dust ISK Corp services
Fat Bottom Bitch Commando Perkone Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:31:00 - [4] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: I can always make an alt corp and really give you a reason to want that protection 8 million is nothing, I'll pay it right now to have an alt corp generate clones...8m isn't even one day of clone generation Silly boy corps on PFC are really lucky if they get 1 day of clone generation profit a week, on PFC, especially with PFC being the only place to attack, right now.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 441	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:31:00 - [5] - Quote Arirana wrote: Kain Spero wrote: DDB has made a valiant attempt to keep order in the chaos and the community can thank them for their service, but there needs to be a new way forward if PFC is to not only survive but thrive. Cool, I'd like to see what genius "thrive" plan you have for PFC that doesn't include you making empty promises just as we did to keep newer corps with relatively no real combat threat in line. I assume you're going to be going at a pay to be here profit angle then? Considering PFC as is right now will be completely unprofitable for you, and I have no idea why you would otherwise be interested in wasting time and effort for the sake of players/corps that may or may not stay committed to becoming better. Just saying, if this is a ploy to get rich/dismantle the majority of what PFC stands for right now, AE will step in. You will talk to us about what you're doing or we will be skeptical and probably take action if you're not enforcing the rules agreed upon. More importantly, I'd like to see you do it without wiping out PFC inhabitants actually interested in the idea behind PFC and actively participating. Thriving would include top efficiency of all of PFC districts being used for this purpose, I assume? Also Kain Spero wrote: Not only was there the problem of a litany of rules being made, but there was still never a clear and concise place for those rules. Newer PFC members have to dig through thread after thread and base their perception of what can and can't be done on Fight Club base on rumor and whisper. As one PFC member has put it, rather than enjoying their district they are forced to walk on eggshells fearful that they will break some unspoken rule of PFC and potentially loose their district That's a great point. You have connections, make a list of all the PFC rules and get them sticky'ed here in the war room or bump them for a LONG TIME so that everyone can see the exact rules rather than be afraid of unspoken one's. If you're willing to police PFC via contracting top of the line mercenary's to fight rule breaking noobs, then sure. But unless the community agree's with you milking them for their ISK from PFC to fund it, I don't see anything like that happening. Saw it coming from a mile away. Though never said it wasn't warranted for protecting PFC. Corps on PFC would otherwise not even have a chance in MH if rules and regulations weren't in place. They are in no way entitled to the isk that comes with it. I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 30	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:34:00 - [6] - Quote If a full district is attacked you get two days of clone generation. That gives you ISK in your pocket and guaranteed protection of your district. Nice try but your meta is weak.
Fat Bottom Bitch Commando Perkone Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:43:00 - [7] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: If a full district is attacked you get two days of clone generation. That gives you ISK in your pocket and guaranteed protection of your district. Nice try but your meta is weak. Yeah 2 days of clone gen if no one attacked you. But really the bigger question is why on earth should Kain Spero get that money? Kain wants to be all noble and defend PFC yadda yadda BS. Then he should just charge to hire his mercs if the district is taken. Which he still does, the rest is just pure profit for him.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2487	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:43:00 - [8] - Quote If people of PFC submit to this tax i see nothing stopping other corps from setting their own tax on PFC corps. Buying EVE CE codes for Dust ISK Corp services
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 30	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:45:00 - [9] - Quote Fat Bottom * wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: If a full district is attacked you get two days of clone generation. That gives you ISK in your pocket and guaranteed protection of your district. Nice try but your meta is weak. Yeah 2 days of clone gen if no one attacked you. But really the bigger question is why on earth should Kain Spero get that money? Kain wants to be all noble and defend PFC yadda yadda BS. Then he should just charge to hire his mercs if the district is taken. Which he still does, the rest is just pure profit for him. It sits in an escrow corp and doesn't get touched until it's used for PFC maintenance Kain isn't making any money on this, he can't touch it
Fat Bottom Bitch Commando Perkone Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:57:00 - [10] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Fat Bottom * wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: If a full district is attacked you get two days of clone generation. That gives you ISK in your pocket and guaranteed protection of your district. Nice try but your meta is weak. Yeah 2 days of clone gen if no one attacked you. But really the bigger question is why on earth should Kain Spero get that money? Kain wants to be all noble and defend PFC yadda yadda BS. Then he should just charge to hire his mercs if the district is taken. Which he still does, the rest is just pure profit for him. It sits in an escrow corp and doesn't get touched until it's used for PFC maintenance Kain isn't making any money on this, he can't touch it So you will be offering refunds if the ISK isn't used? And who exactly do I make the checks out to? Hmmn. Could it be Mr. Spero's Escrow Service?

iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 31	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:59:00 - [11] - Quote If he touches the isk our mercs don't get paid, PFC goes to hell, and kain loses all credibility That isn't going to happen If you think this is some get rich quick scheme you're delusional There's always escrow removal and acquisition.
Raz0rs Edge Red Star. 48	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:09:00 - [12] - Quote corps that have been on pfc for a long time/corps that don't need to be on pfc like hellstorm and generals should be required to pay. they have high tax rates and hundreds of members anyways.
OSGR Valdez To... Flatlines 290	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:10:00 - [13] - Quote Since when did I get involved in this? # *TANKSPAM*
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:47:00 - [14] - Quote Arirana wrote: Arirana wrote: Kain Spero wrote: DDB has made a valiant attempt to keep order in the chaos and the community can thank them for their service, but there needs to be a new way forward if PFC is to not only survive but thrive. Cool, I'd like to see what genius "thrive" plan you have for PFC that doesn't include you making empty promises just as we did to keep newer corps with relatively no real combat threat in line. I assume you're going to be going at a pay to be here profit angle then? Considering PFC as is right now will be completely unprofitable for you, and I have no idea why you would otherwise be interested in wasting time and effort for the sake of players/corps that may or may not stay committed to becoming better. Just saying, if this is a ploy to get rich/dismantle the majority of what PFC stands for right now, AE will step in. You will talk to us about what you're doing or we will be skeptical and probably take action if you're not enforcing the rules agreed upon. More importantly, I'd like to see you do it without wiping out PFC inhabitants actually interested in the idea behind PFC and actively participating. Thriving would include top efficiency of all of PFC districts being used for this purpose, I assume? Also Kain Spero wrote: Not only was there the problem of a litany of rules being made, but there was still never a clear and concise place for those rules. Newer PFC members have to dig through thread after thread and base their perception of what can and can't be done on Fight Club base on rumor and whisper. As one PFC member has put it, rather than enjoying their district they are forced to walk on eggshells fearful that they will break some unspoken rule of PFC and potentially loose their district That's a great point. You have connections, make a list of all the PFC rules and get them sticky'ed here in the war room or bump them for a LONG TIME so that everyone can see the exact rules rather than be afraid of unspoken one's. If you're willing to police PFC via contracting top of the line mercenary's to fight rule breaking noobs, then sure. But unless the community agree's with you milking them for their ISK from PFC to fund it, I don't see anything like that happening. Saw it coming from a mile away. Though never said it wasn't warranted for protecting PFC. Corps on PFC would otherwise not even have a chance in MH if rules and regulations weren't in place. They are in no way entitled to the isk that comes with it. Plus 1 Just another unbanned alt
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 897	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:50:00 - [15] - Quote Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect. And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2254	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:56:00 - [16] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: If people of PFC submit to this tax i see nothing stopping other corps from setting their own tax on PFC corps. Name a group that consistently beats N-F... @Kobrah I respect you for backing up PFC Listen I'll change the song every week
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.02.08 06:00:00 - [17] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect. And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself. Justice Just another unbanned alt
Cubs Secretary 12	Posted - 2014.02.08 08:06:00 - [18] - Quote Fat Bottom * wrote: So now our beloved Kain Spero, CPM Superstar has now demanded 8.75 million ISK a week from each corp that owns a district on PFC. What exactly will Mr. Spero do with this 227,500,000 ISK a week exactly. He will make sure that NF and Too... Flatlines will not take your PFC district. What a deal. If someone else should attack your PFC district with the intention of trying to take it. It will cost you extra for it's defense and/or recovery. That's Kain! The man of the hour, a CCP employee, and the leader of Dust's latest extortion racket! I get drug out of bed to type a form letter... i hate you all From the desk of Cubs: 'first and foremost, the bashing of Kane Spero on this is pretty damn silly. Spero Escrow Services is a well established, trusted corp that is the closest thing we have to an insured exchange in Dust. Where do you think the funding for NF operations comes from? Corps hire us for contracts, and they deposit payment into Escrow. Mercs are paid, and escrow distributes funds to the payor (typically me). This relieves all involved parties of ever getting hosed, and SES has a long track record of upstanding business. Now I participated in a fireside chat this evening with several council members and concerned parties, directly addressing many questions they brought forth. Everyone left the meeting satisfied, and yes I agree some specifics still need to be ironed out, but the PFC community as a whole needs to be involved. Currently there is only partial representation and those missing are allowing those present to speak on their behalf. Thats their own damn fault. The SIMPLE facts are this: NF has been hired to enforce the rules the PFC council shall convene, propose, and set. PFC from before now, all previous engagements, actions etc hold no weight on NOW. Corps proven to lock districts are gone. Your days are numbered and you are now on borrowed time. Being a resident of PFC is a PRIVILEDGE, for once i will give Arirana a +1 cause he even gets it. You dont follow the rules, you lose that priviledge. the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain, and we even offer to place you elsewhere when your time has come to move on. Meta your ass to Disneyland for all we care. Its simple, and to continue PFC requires capital. MOLDEN Heath revolves around ISK. You dont have it, go back to pubs. The cost is minimal in the grand scheme of things, and honestly the QQ over such a trivial amount is laughable. That said, NF looks forward to hopefully, for the first time ever, to have 23 autonomous groups participating in PFC as it was originally intended. both Kane and I have been around PFC since its inception. Kane was a pioneer in pushing for it to even become a reality, and I have directly regulated it as well. Our experience with the backing of our glorious mercs provides the greatest chance for Oddeluf to finally be 100% a Planet Fight Club. Im saddened to see Hellstorm not being on board with this, but life goes on. --------------------end transmission-------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
OSGR Valdez To... Flatlines 292	Posted - 2014.02.08 08:39:00 - [19] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: --------------------end transmission-------------------- Hashtag.. Tankspam
Fat Bottom Bitch Commando Perkone Caldari State 25	Posted - 2014.02.08 09:16:00 - [20] - Quote Raz0rs Edge wrote: corps that have been on pfc for a long time/corps that don't need to be on pfc like hellstorm and generals should be required to pay. they have high tax rates and hundreds of members anyways. And why does Kain deserve to claim this income? iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: If he touches the isk our mercs don't get paid, PFC goes to hell, and kain loses all credibility That isn't going to happen If you think this is some get rich quick scheme you're delusional There's always escrow removal and acquisition. So there is always the corp that is in the alliance Kain runs is going to stop Kain from Kain taking money from the PFC corps. OH it makes perfect sense now.

Fat Bottom Bitch Commando Perkone Caldari State 25	Posted - 2014.02.08 09:30:00 - [21] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: I get drug out of bed to type a form letter... i hate you all From the desk of Cubs: 'first and foremost, the bashing of Kane Spero on this is pretty damn silly. Spero Escrow Services is a well established, trusted corp that is the closest thing we have to an insured exchange in Dust. both Kane and I have been around PFC since its inception. Kane was a pioneer in pushing for it to even become a reality, and I have directly regulated it as well. Our experience with the backing of our glorious mercs provides the greatest chance for Oddeluf to finally be 100% a Planet Fight Club. Im saddened to see Hellstorm not being on board with this, but life goes on. --------------------end transmission-------------------- So sorry to wake you, but more sad to see you, cubby my darling, backing this outrage up. Facts are facts Kain is demanding what works out to be 227,500,000 ISK a week from all the corps of PFC. TO DO NOTHING!! Except to promise that they and their friends will not to attack them!! This is the biggest BS to hit Molden Heath since PRO 2.0 decided to charge 50% tax. Kane may keep his word, but weather or not he keeps his promises is not in question. What is in question is his GREED! He promises to take 227.5 mill a week and I am 100% sure he will keep this promise!
The Black Art Fatal Absolution 390	Posted - 2014.02.08 10:04:00 - [22] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. While I agree that 9 mil isn't much per corp, there's also no reason for NF to be getting that much. You should be compensated for your work, but 200m+ every week on top of ringer fees? That's just taking advantage of the PFC corps. Why aren't ringer fees enough? The contracts don't differ from your regular ones; it's still just PC battles, easy ones at that.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2493	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:22:00 - [23] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: If people of PFC submit to this tax i see nothing stopping other corps from setting their own tax on PFC corps. Name a group that consistently beats N-F... @Kobrah I respect you for backing up PFC No group needs to beat them, from what I read the tax is just so NF won't attack PFC. What if tomorrow AE said you have to pay us also so we won't attack your districts. Buying EVE CE codes for Dust ISK Corp services
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 803	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:56:00 - [24] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect. And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself. Please sir do not include DF in the whiny category, we are proponents of a drama free no QQ atmosphere. We fully understand any and all challenges, rules and whatnot, welcoming the challenge. DF whining? Blasphemy. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Cubs Secretary 14	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:21:00 - [25] - Quote The Black Art wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. While I agree that 9 mil isn't much per corp, there's also no reason for NF to be getting that much. You should be compensated for your work, but 200m+ every week on top of ringer fees? That's just taking advantage of the PFC corps. Why aren't ringer fees enough? The contracts don't differ from your regular ones; it's still just PC battles, easy ones at that. ok now that i got some beauty sleep and some coffee, Cubs had me come into the office on a weekend.. I just knew the day off was gonna bite me in the @ss From the desk of Cubs: Art im a little upset you didn't offer me any of what you're smokin when we squadded up last night. Seriously. im not making the rules here, but my understanding is the insurance policy is all inclusive. The ENTIRE reason FOR the InsurancePolicy is TO PAY THE PLAYERS busting their ass to fulfill this extended contract. Were you and others seriously under the impression that this payment was literally for 'rent' of their land? This is an all-inclusiveprice that covers hostile takeovers, removing riffraff, chasing Rampage away from your trash bins etc.this policy IS the payroll for services... Kane doesnt 'pocket' any of this, and NF would cease to be if he didnt compensate mercs for our contracts. This isnt the Ringling Brothers halftime peanut sales operation. This is a 'professional' mercenary servic that, to my knowledge, has a 100% satisfaction rate and last I checked was the answer to ummmm...ANY problem a corp may have with a another group. PFC has evolved. It is no longer without law, and government is being established. The residents help subsidize the cost of having Oddeluf 'working as intended'. 23 Corps playing nice and displaying the true spirit of PFC is the goal. Good luck to us all' -----------------------end transmission---------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Roman837 Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 118	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:37:00 - [26] - Quote Fat Bottom * wrote: Raz0rs Edge wrote: corps that have been on pfc for a long time/corps that don't need to be on pfc like hellstorm and generals should be required to pay. they have high tax rates and hundreds of members anyways. And why does Kain deserve to claim this income? iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: If he touches the isk our mercs don't get paid, PFC goes to hell, and kain loses all credibility That isn't going to happen If you think this is some get rich quick scheme you're delusional There's always escrow removal and acquisition. So there is always the corp that is in the alliance Kain runs is going to stop Kain from Kain taking money from the PFC corps. OH it makes perfect sense now. First of all, if your on PFC to make residual isk..your there for the wrong reason. So paying the 8mill a week is literally chump change. Your PFC is a practice grounds, your district should be in a constant state of attack and defend. A PFC district is not YOURS to keep, your being allowed to stay there until your corps trained up and moves out. Your renting it..and are so dam lucky that corps have been enforcing it, its a thankless job. If you and your corp don't like paying 8mill a week...try NOT paying the 8mill a week, and watch what happens. If you don't like the rules of PFC..live off of PFC..and realixe...there are no rules. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 902	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:40:00 - [27] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect. And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself. Please sir do not include DF in the whiny category, we are proponents of a drama free no QQ atmosphere. We fully understand any and all challenges, rules and whatnot, welcoming the challenge. DF whining? Blasphemy. Right, forgot about DF. Got a lot of respect for you guys. Also Hellstorm, fought them a couple of times, but I still retain my stance on the majority of PFC. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
The Baby Shaker Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 129	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:47:00 - [28] - Quote Lmfao at this whole situation. Went from Robin hood to the sheriff of Nottingham. You better pay those taxes or they will cut your heart out with a spoon!! I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 805	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:48:00 - [29] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect. And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself. Please sir do not include DF in the whiny category, we are proponents of a drama free no QQ atmosphere. We fully understand any and all challenges, rules and whatnot, welcoming the challenge. DF whining? Blasphemy. Right, forgot about DF. Got a lot of respect for you guys. Also Hellstorm, fought them a couple of times, but I still retain my stance on the majority of PFC. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 805	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:49:00 - [30] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect. And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself. Please sir do not include DF in the whiny category, we are proponents of a drama free no QQ atmosphere. We fully understand any and all challenges, rules and whatnot, welcoming the challenge. DF whining? Blasphemy. Right, forgot about DF. Got a lot of respect for you guys. Also Hellstorm, fought them a couple of times, but I still retain my stance on the majority of PFC. Thank you, and agreed. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 954	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:55:00 - [31] - Quote Fat Bottom * wrote: So now our beloved Kain Spero, CPM Superstar has now demanded 8.75 million ISK a week from each corp that owns a district on PFC. What exactly will Mr. Spero do with this 227,500,000 ISK a week exactly. He will make sure that NF and Too... Flatlines will not take your PFC district. What a deal. If someone else should attack your PFC district with the intention of trying to take it. It will cost you extra for it's defense and/or recovery. I guess the first step would be to clarify if the 8.75m isk/week payment is in fact all inclusive as Cub's secretary mentioned, including paying for defenses or reacquisition services. Based on the original post he indicated that actual fighting would cost more money, which leaves a fairly large variable if any of the "big boy corps" decide to wreck the party it could become VERY costly for these corps to pay additional for Kain's thugs to fight off the potentially huge attack. I'm not sure this can be defined as extortion, although at first glance it does look that way. The problem is that there are no laws or rules in New Eden, it is no holds barred. PFC is not owned by anyone.. it can, and in some peoples mind, should be up for grabs just like any other planet in the system. PFC is an idea made up by the community, for the community, and supposed to be policed by the community. The strongest members of the community have decided on this new structure, and while I cringe at the though of these guys gaining even more wealth, if they provide this service and continue to help new corps and new players stay with this game a little longer... it may just be worth it. The previous systems were pretty good, but flawed nonetheless.. maybe this will work out? Maybe it wont.. but either way, welcome to New Eden :)
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 45	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:02:00 - [32] - Quote Yes, it's all inclusive. For instance, if you lose your district, that weekly tax is now paying for the clones to re-attack, 16 of the best players in the game for however long it takes, and the clone pack it costs for you to reacquire the district from us. Also we will step in before you even lose the district, ideally. For 8m of pocket change. And people are still trying to complain Ridiculous.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 954	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:13:00 - [33] - Quote If it is all inclusive, not bad. For nay-sayers think about this as an insurance policy, and not extortion. How many of us pay for auto insurance and never once file a claim? Do you feel that that money has been wasted, or that you have been robbed by the insurance company? NO you don't, and you don't ask for a refund either. Why? Because in this crazy world we live in you NEED auto insurance, and even if it wasn't required to register your car at the DMV, you would be stupid not to purchase it to protect yourself financially. Don't think about how much money the insurance company makes, because they make TONS. Just think about the peace of mind that perhaps now, again, PFC will be a secure place for you and your bros to train. Nobody will blame you for being jealous of this setup. Nobody will force you to pay, but rest assured if you don't... then you will really feel what PC is like right now and the top 1% will come take your **..guaranteed, if only to make a point. Just remember as I always said, these guys are not your friends... you are literally paying them insurance to let you practice on PFC without fear of losing your playing field so that one day you can beat the snot out of them and take their **. Yeah, new eden lol.
john smitharooni Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:17:00 - [34] - Quote The Black Art wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. That's it in a nutshell. It's really that simple. BURN PFC TO THE GROUND....it's a sham and a welfare state. If your noob corp needs practice, q sync and play FW or attack somebody in PC. PFC has been a failure and will continue to be so, except to the bill collectors.
The Black Art Fatal Absolution 393	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:30:00 - [35] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: Art im a little upset you didn't offer me any of what you're smokin when we squadded up last night. Seriously. Hey man, I'm just going by what the OP said. Last night was the first time I've played pubs in 2 weeks so I don't know what's goin on anymore. TBH the withdrawals from not wiping Minscum off planets may have affected my state of mind.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 954	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:35:00 - [36] - Quote john smitharooni wrote: The Black Art wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. That's it in a nutshell. It's really that simple. BURN PFC TO THE GROUND....it's a sham and a welfare state. If your noob corp needs practice, q sync and play FW or attack somebody in PC. PFC has been a failure and will continue to be so, except to the bill collectors. Definition of "extort" to wrest or wring (money, information, etc.) from a person by violence, intimidation, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like. If ERA, or any other corp with the ability to do so, attacked your district and took it by force, that too could be defined as "extortion". In the end the current PFC landowners have 3 choices: Pay for insurance and assume protection from the top players currently in the game, a virtually unbeatable team on any given Sunday. Continue PC practice and hope to one day rise to power. Don't pay, and lock the district... waiting for CCP to fix the problem sometime soonTM.. or for someone to snipe your district timer and take your land. Don't pay, keep the district unlocked and lose it.
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 50	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:49:00 - [37] - Quote Maybe it's best if the PFC residents lock up. They'll get more money, plus in a month when there's a new governing body, they can just say 'we didn't trust Escrow, but we love you guys'. Also, this can be an exercise in "WatchinYoOwnShit-FU'. Now I'm against district-locking, bit I'm more against a corp assuming control over a 'community outreach program', then demanding money for it. Question authority kids. They do not have your best interests in mind. I say, lock em' up. Show the rest of MH what you learned. Or don't... Some people were made to be worker bees. If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God AQUPI
Fat Bottom Bitch Commando Perkone Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:07:00 - [38] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Yes, it's all inclusive. For instance, if you lose your district, that weekly tax is now paying for the clones to re-attack, 16 of the best players in the game for however long it takes, and the clone pack it costs for you to reacquire the district from us. Also we will step in before you even lose the district, ideally. Even if your are now changing your story from what you were telling us in that "meeting" earlier, and have made it all inclusive. Darling, sweety for 200+ million ISK a week. You can hire Kane and his buddies to take back 3 districts a week, standard rates. If one PFC district is stolen a week I would be surprised. Making insurance payments mandatory is Extortion. With a capital E. If they were optional, and you offered PFC district reacquiring fee's that corps would have to pay when they needed it, that would be fair. Because lets face it when the power shifts again as it always does, all that ISK paid is going to magically disappear, like a candy bar at a weight watchers convention.
iOwn AE Glitchers Kinsho Swords Caldari State 54	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:18:00 - [39] - Quote Fat Bottom * wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Yes, it's all inclusive. For instance, if you lose your district, that weekly tax is now paying for the clones to re-attack, 16 of the best players in the game for however long it takes, and the clone pack it costs for you to reacquire the district from us. Also we will step in before you even lose the district, ideally. Even if your are now changing your story from what you were telling us in that "meeting" earlier, and have made it all inclusive. Darling, sweety for 200+ million ISK a week. You can hire Kane and his buddies to take back 3 districts a week, standard rates. If one PFC district is stolen a week I would be surprised. Making insurance payments mandatory is Extortion. With a capital E. If they were optional, and you offered PFC district reacquiring fee's that corps would have to pay when they needed it, that would be fair. Because lets face it when the power shifts again as it always does, all that ISK paid is going to magically disappear, like a candy bar at a weight watchers convention. You realize the going rate for a single district is 200m, and that barely covers our costs, right?
Psychic SideKick Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:25:00 - [40] - Quote If there is 8 conflicts 1/3 of pc that 225 mil is not even enough for the clone packs never mind merc fees . This is chump change to insure your protection. If you dont want to pay ok defend your self o wait pfc is here because none of you can hang in MH. So stop crying because you really will be with no districs. Just another unbanned alt

Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2570	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:28:00 - [41] - Quote Posted in the other thread that degenerated into sub-human **** slinging and lologic... #240Posted: 2014.02.08 03:42-á\|-áReport I must say I was impressed with Sperow Escrow Services for wanting to raise their swords for PFC but I must have been foolish in believing it to be for honour like all the tier-1 corporations before it, and not the ISK. I will not support this system. I was approached understanding this project to be charity based and largely unregulated - governed loosely by those strong enough to hold a district without foreign intervention. I'm sad to see defenders of PFC trying to turn knights into a hired police force. Soraya and Kain, you've lost your way on this one. Leave the planet in the hands of its people and their God. It's been long understood that if Calamity struck Planet Fight Club the leaders of each corporation would unite and defeat the Invaders. Legend tells us that by risk or ISK the Champion would emerge victorious. And that war would reign eternal upon its lands forever. Jihad Jeep Proficiency V Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 965	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:17:00 - [42] - Quote **** yeah... Roleplay dem hoes.
Not The CEO Nothecorp... 9	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:08:00 - [43] - Quote Fat Bottom * wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Yes, it's all inclusive. For instance, if you lose your district, that weekly tax is now paying for the clones to re-attack, 16 of the best players in the game for however long it takes, and the clone pack it costs for you to reacquire the district from us. Also we will step in before you even lose the district, ideally. Even if your are now changing your story from what you were telling us in that "meeting" earlier, and have made it all inclusive. Darling, sweety for 200+ million ISK a week. You can hire Kane and his buddies to take back 3 districts a week, standard rates. If one PFC district is stolen a week I would be surprised. Making insurance payments mandatory is Extortion. With a capital E. If they were optional, and you offered PFC district reacquiring fee's that corps would have to pay when they needed it, that would be fair. Because lets face it when the power shifts again as it always does, all that ISK paid is going to magically disappear, like a candy bar at a weight watchers convention. It'll disappear like your pants in an oyster bar OOOPS, wrong thread... You are so irrelevant my pet pig won't aknowledge you.. D1cklord#2
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 175	Posted - 2014.02.09 03:36:00 - [44] - Quote on the outside it looks as if kain is turning PFC from a lawless clusterfuck into something similar to college irl. in college you pay monthly to keep your tuition up and not be expelled from the university your going to. now in PFC you pay weekly to keep your district from turning into the rest of MH allowing your corporation to graduate and get into the job profession (PURE PC MH). its very obvious though that this is not whats going on in the inside. Void Echo Alt #1 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
The Baby Shaker Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 131	Posted - 2014.02.09 05:23:00 - [45] - Quote Since they took over how many defenses have they done? I highly doubt any corp would try and take a pfc district right now so where is this money being spent? Sounds like fund our campaign propaganda lol. I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
Judge SoTa PoP Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2014.02.09 05:32:00 - [46] - Quote The Baby Shaker wrote: Since they took over how many defenses have they done? I highly doubt any corp would try and take a pfc district right now so where is this money being spent? Sounds like fund our campaign propaganda lol. "OMG, People don't hit PFC because.. they won't win?! SO WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR POLICE?! Stops paying, gets hit Oh... right." This isn't a charity - we get paid. Get over it and stop QQing.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1408	Posted - 2014.02.09 06:10:00 - [47] - Quote The Baby Shaker wrote: Since they took over how many defenses have they done? I highly doubt any corp would try and take a pfc district right now so where is this money being spent? Sounds like fund our campaign propaganda lol. On removing district lockers, which they are actively doing. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
MoonEagle A Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:59:00 - [48] - Quote I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 823	Posted - 2014.02.10 13:08:00 - [49] - Quote MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 974	Posted - 2014.02.10 13:54:00 - [50] - Quote GG Cyrax and Death Firm

MoonEagle A Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:42:00 - [51] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services. I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point.
DJiNN RageQUiT Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:59:00 - [52] - Quote MoonEagle A wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services. I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point. that's ok didn't we all read somewhere that your crew could handle anything? time to find out it seems I have 1 eye cause I lost the other in an unfortunate Smelting Accident and I'm skilled at cleaning toilets
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 827	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:11:00 - [53] - Quote DJiNN RageQUiT wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services. I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point. that's ok didn't we all read somewhere that your crew could handle anything? time to find out it seems CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
MoonEagle A Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:16:00 - [54] - Quote I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty. Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish. All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 225	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:21:00 - [55] - Quote MoonEagle A wrote: I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty. Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish. All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity. Challenge them to a pistol fight in MLT gear, make things interesting. CCP Lockingbro needs help! Sign!
Sentient Archon Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1715	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:26:00 - [56] - Quote MoonEagle A wrote: I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty. Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish. All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity. Dude! You QQ way too much... Less QQ and more pew pew! Corps wanting to fight other corps is a good thing! No... it really is a good thing! Thats the only way you get better. If you idea of fun is lolpubs you dont deserve a taste of PC or any of its derivatives. From what I see CYRAX is done with lolpubs and wants to test his metal against the bigger or big boys. Its a good thing. You should want to fight these guys for that. Whenever I see CYRAX I pull out my proto stuff because my advance **** aint gonna hack it. Even if I loose millions of ISK;- I love it because they bring it. Keep a simple policy in mind;- if you are good follow the ISK. Interwebz relationships are as good a virtual sex. You might think its real;- but it aint! #WahWah #HaventRunIntoCYRAXSince43V@ The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1417	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:35:00 - [57] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Challenge them to a pistol fight in MLT gear, make things interesting. This would be entertaining, I would love to do one of these. As bad as my scrambler pistol aim is. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 506	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:51:00 - [58] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: DJiNN RageQUiT wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services. I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point. that's ok didn't we all read somewhere that your crew could handle anything? time to find out it seems Didn't you guys just get into PFC? Who wants some?
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:53:00 - [59] - Quote When is the current CPM stepping down so we can vote on another CPM? I just don't really think Kain will be so popular when he is not part of the CPM. Guys are following him around like he is some type modern day Pied Piper.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 506	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:56:00 - [60] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: When is the current CPM stepping down so we can vote on another CPM? I just don't really think Kain will be so popular when he is not part of the CPM. Guys are following him around like he is some type modern day Pied Piper. The pied piper was a good dude till he didn't get paid. Who wants some?

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:56:00 - [61] - Quote MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1417	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:44:00 - [62] - Quote You guys realize there's a vast difference between being CPM, an out-of-game position, and being a player in a game where business is business, no matter how "moral". which is a distinctly in-game decision, yes? Welcome to the metagame, folks. I mean, that being said, one would hope we have a CPM who supports all manners of playstyles in New Eden, and in actually, Spero's in-game business has a really good reputation, but you know, just saying... I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Sentient Archon Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1719	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:45:00 - [63] - Quote Forget everything;i THIS is hot news. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 830	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:03:00 - [64] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 832	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:41:00 - [65] - Quote MoonEagle A wrote: I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty. Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish. All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity. I am sorry if you feel I want a quarrel with you moon, there is no intent for that and I apologize if you misunderstood, or if I came off like that. Fifght hard and good luck. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 384	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:43:00 - [66] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... Good game last night. As you were aware, we had no intent on taking the district, we were just in it for the experience (for us both!). It takes some time to be able to execute as a team, and there's no better way to achieve that except through first-hand experience of a pressure-packed PC. Hit us up anytime...Leadfoot
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 384	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:45:00 - [67] - Quote p.s. I think the insurance/extortion idea outlined in this thread is BS, personally. From what i know of Spero, he's a straight up guy, but I find myself scratching my head on this one. $200+M per week to act as the police in an area that doesn't really need much of it (and certainly not $200M+ per week)? Curious....
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1429	Posted - 2014.02.10 23:22:00 - [68] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: p.s. I think the insurance/extortion idea outlined in this thread is BS, personally. From what i know of Spero, he's a straight up guy, but I find myself scratching my head on this one. $200M+ per week to act as the police in an area that doesn't really need much of it? Curious.... I would check your assumptions on how much it costs to enforce actively. And given the sad state PFC has been in for months, this is chump change to be getting active corps placed on PFC around us, so we have better opportunities to practice. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 212	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:06:00 - [69] - Quote Here's an idea for the people who reside on PFC. Lock your district like everyone else. Be l33t like them. That's the only way to do pc. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 838	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:19:00 - [70] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: Here's an idea for the people who reside on PFC. Lock your district like everyone else. Be l33t like them. That's the only way to do pc. Umm, no... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1434	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:44:00 - [71] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Spartan MK420 wrote: Here's an idea for the people who reside on PFC. Lock your district like everyone else. Be l33t like them. That's the only way to do pc. Umm, no... District lockers have been successfully removed from PFC and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. In fact, district lockers are higher on Spero's priority list. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3149	Posted - 2014.02.11 00:45:00 - [72] - Quote LOL!!! So basically, you're a merchant in your hometown neighborhood and for protection, the mob sends their guys in demanding a percentage so you may remain open without any quarrels or closures. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1434	Posted - 2014.02.11 01:06:00 - [73] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: LOL!!! So basically, you're a merchant in your hometown neighborhood and for protection, the mob sends their guys in demanding a percentage so you may remain open without any quarrels or closures. The issue with the "mob" analogy, is it doesn't actually equate to the situation at all. Generally, in a protection racket, the only one you're being protected from is the person you're paying. Spero's service is actively protecting from threats that we do, realistically, face, as well as ensuring we have a better play environment, by removing corps who are squatting and not participating. That costs a lot of money, more than you realize, and there's got to be a halfway-reasonable way of funding that. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Predator SECUTOR Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:06:00 - [74] - Quote I dont mind paying the 8.75 million isk extortion per week to Kain and Escrow removal. Oh btw I hereby am charging Kain and his corp 8.75 million isk per week for the privilege of playing this fine game in the Eve universe. This is non negotiable so I fully expect you to pay up.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2291	Posted - 2014.02.11 05:37:00 - [75] - Quote Predator SECUTOR wrote: I dont mind paying the 8.75 million isk extortion per week to Kain and Escrow removal. Oh btw I hereby am charging Kain and his corp 8.75 million isk per week for the privilege of playing this fine game in the Eve universe. This is non negotiable so I fully expect you to pay up. I charge you 100 mill per post for visiting the war room fines must be made out to King... oops I mean Killar-12 Listen I'll change the song every week
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 385	Posted - 2014.02.11 11:27:00 - [76] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: p.s. I think the insurance/extortion idea outlined in this thread is BS, personally. From what i know of Spero, he's a straight up guy, but I find myself scratching my head on this one. $200M+ per week to act as the police in an area that doesn't really need much of it? Curious.... I would check your assumptions on how much it costs to enforce actively. And given the sad state PFC has been in for months, this is chump change to be getting active corps placed on PFC around us, so we have better opportunities to practice. $200M+ per week isn't "chump change" from where I sit.... PFC doesn't appear to me to require much, if any enforcement. With a few exceptions, PFC seems to be running fairly smoothly -- we had another PFC battle last night against Eternal Beings (and their Pradox friends). Let me turn this around a bit -- if I'm off in my "assumptions", please correct me and justify $200M+ per week in "taxes". Thanks...Leadfoot
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1444	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:48:00 - [77] - Quote Leadfoot, 200 mil a week is an assembled total. That's to cover enforcement on all 24 districts for the week. If you know how much the top tier ringers cost, you know it'll cover only a certain number of matches. Some weeks may require less enforcement, some may require more. ISK from weeks where enforcement is light can be used on weeks where enforcement is heavy. Additionally, it's important to note that the maintenance charge a single corp pays, 8.75 million, is not only small enough to fit in a single clone regen, something you'll often get while waiting for an attack to commence anyhow, it serves a dual benefit for the corp participating. Not only are they protected from outside parties, but they're also paying for a better PFC experience. While many corps have done an excellent job remaining active participants of PFC, many have not. This has led to reduced numbers of opponents/available targets, leading to a less rich PFC experience. So by funding the enforcement system, you help ensure that everyone else's PFC districts remain open for business and available for play. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 187	Posted - 2014.02.11 15:21:00 - [78] - Quote Brief history of the Insurance Racket Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was a fire. A nice family's house burned right to the ground while they were away, and the nice family suddenly had no place to live, no food to eat and only the clothes on their backs. This happened when ordinary people didn't have bank accounts and didn't have much to put into one anyway, so the nice family had to rely on friends and neighbors to help them. The friends and neighbors did indeed help, the family's community being kind and caring. But for quite a while it was a very tough time for everybody involved. During this difficult period considerable discussion about the golden rule, "Treat others as you would like to be treated," and the acknowledgement, "It could happen to anybody," began to blend into a new idea: If all the families in the community put just a little money into one pot, say every month, in a year or so there would be enough to help out any of them who suffered a calamity - well, so long as several calamities didn't happen at once, of course - and no one family would be devastated, separated or forced to rely on others. After many an argument and much working out of details the community agreed to give it a try. They voted the person known by everybody to be the most honest and honorable of all of them to keep the pot of money, and others to count the money every month to verify it was safe and intact, and used only for the right reasons. To everybody's surprise and delight, it worked. There were catastrophes now and again over the years, but even so the money in the pot grew to quite a sum, a lot of victims of bad fortune were relieved of financial strain, and everybody felt a little more secure. Once upon a time a long time ago, insurance was born! And while it looked at first as though everybody would live happily ever after, that didn't quite happen. Oddly enough whenever money accumulates people get anxious. The community began to fret about keeping it safe, if those who received it really deserved it, etc. Also, when money accumulates, other people are drawn to it, seeing opportunities. Before too long, professional money managers replaced the now-aging people everybody had previously trusted to take care of it, and after that, as the pot of money continued to grow, a corporation took over the job. Sadly, the first concern was no longer to take care of people in need. It became to make more money, every corporation's primary job. To accomplish this new goal the corporation began screening people out, making sure those most likely to need help would not get it because that would cost the corporation money. They put new restrictions on those who wanted to buy insurance, and new restrictions on how much they would pay for any specific condition or happening. They added many forms to be filled out, and many layers of people to design the forms to make them most advantageous to the corporation, and to analyze them for inaccuracies when they were filed, in order to delay or prevent payments out. Owners of the corporation and the people who ran it became very rich, doing nothing more than managing a community's money - for the exclusive benefit of the corporations' owners and executives. Insurance companies do not manufacture anything, do not design or engineer anything, and do not contribute anything to the agencies that heal people's lives after a disaster - not to hospitals, nursing homes, fire departments, police departments, foster care, social programs, or to any body designed actually to help people, except by paying the limited benefits promised under policies bought and paid for by victims. If those people did not "qualify" for insurance, could not afford it or failed to pay their premiums, they do not receive anything at all. Insurance companies only manage money. All the enormous profits they make come from premium payments, the money people put into a pot to share in an emergency. These days insurance benefits come from what's left in the pot after profit is taken out. How a system created to help those in need became a system to make some people rich is difficult to understand. It might be called a fairy tale. In any case today, at the end of the tale as at the beginning, kind and caring friends and neighbors are once again helping unfortunate victims of calamities - because so many people have no insurance, and not much money either.
MocHolliday Nerfed Out 32	Posted - 2014.02.11 15:43:00 - [79] - Quote I have seen money management from a service with a strikingly similar name...the money went poof. Many,many donors were very unhappy. Then the corp died. Now it is back again. hmmm spotless history? meh ... "its the meta" they say.
MocHolliday Nerfed Out 32	Posted - 2014.02.11 15:58:00 - [80] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Spartan MK420 wrote: Here's an idea for the people who reside on PFC. Lock your district like everyone else. Be l33t like them. That's the only way to do pc. Umm, no... Umm that is what Escrow does. What is good for the goose not for the gander?

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 391	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:35:00 - [81] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Leadfoot, 200 mil a week is an assembled total. That's to cover enforcement on all 24 districts for the week. If you know how much the top tier ringers cost, you know it'll cover only a certain number of matches. Some weeks may require less enforcement, some may require more. ISK from weeks where enforcement is light can be used on weeks where enforcement is heavy. Additionally, it's important to note that the maintenance charge a single corp pays, 8.75 million, is not only small enough to fit in a single clone regen, something you'll often get while waiting for an attack to commence anyhow, it serves a dual benefit for the corp participating. Not only are they protected from outside parties, but they're also paying for a better PFC experience. While many corps have done an excellent job remaining active participants of PFC, many have not. This has led to reduced numbers of opponents/available targets, leading to a less rich PFC experience. So by funding the enforcement system, you help ensure that everyone else's PFC districts remain open for business and available for play. Yeah, I get all that. Justify the number. Do the math. How much per ringer? How many matches? How many clone packs? $200M is a bunch of cash...weekly...for a system (PFC) that's pretty much working. I just can't get there from here. Help me....not with the logic (I get it, really, I do)....but the numbers....Leadfoot
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 261	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:47:00 - [82] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do?
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1450	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:49:00 - [83] - Quote Personally, I don't hire ringers, and I don't have exact numbers. But you have, what, twelve to fifteen ringers, a something-million ISK per ringer per match, two or three matches per district (depending on structures), plus a clone pack for the PFC corp to reclaim. (Assuming ERA's districts can supply enough clones that they don't need to clone pack their attacks as well.) Ballpark it, it's not a pretty number. It's a pricey service. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 261	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:50:00 - [84] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. and you're not the only one here with real life experience managing large contracts or even working as a military contractor. 20+ years in Iraq, Afghanistan, Djibouti and other places I wish I had never been. I worked for Halliburton on the construction/logistics side as a Project Manager. I understand business and I know extortion when I see it.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 992	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:51:00 - [85] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do? Easy, call in an orbital! Dafuq are you on about nuts, comparing real life to video games... silly ********.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 261	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:56:00 - [86] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: bigolenuts wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do? Easy, call in an orbital! Dafuq are you on about nuts, comparing real life to video games... silly ********. Following up someones post is all man. I know, I know, wish I could have deleted it.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 992	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:03:00 - [87] - Quote TLDR Meh, its not that big of a deal. ______ I see where you all are coming with the extortion bit. Its a sticky situation, most of us who post here are setup in corps and good to go, we have isk, we have our teams, some good some bad, but we don't really have to worry. Everything is locked up anyway, the only fights are on PFC right now for the most part. But you gotta put yourself in the new player, new corp, small corp shoes. What can they do right now... A lot of the playerbase probably couldn't care less about PC, many probably don't know about it, heck I meet new guys all the time who don't even know other players on the team cant hear them talk when they are in squad voice, lol. If these newer/smaller guys care enough about PC, let them pay to play. Whats the worst that could happen? The richest players currently in the game get a little richer? Us outsiders will never know what the money goes towards, or where it ends up if it isn't used "policing" PFC. Apparently the people who ARE paying have a transparent contract with Kane/NF and I hope for their sakes that they do know all the fine details of how this whole scheme is working. There is nothing we can do about it.... besides attack Kane, ERA, NF, and all of their beasts. and of course, gripe on the forums. Its an interesting dynamic of this game... Cant blame anyone for being jelly they didn't think about it, and that's probably where most of these negative sentiments are coming. ** the new player and ** off letting my enemies get richer.. I get it. Right now, personally, if this helps bring new players in and keep players playing.. I'm all for it. Let them amass a little more wealth for now.. changes will come eventually, they always do.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 261	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:06:00 - [88] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: TLDR Meh, its not that big of a deal. ______ I see where you all are coming with the extortion bit. Its a sticky situation, most of us who post here are setup in corps and good to go, we have isk, we have our teams, some good some bad, but we don't really have to worry. Everything is locked up anyway, the only fights are on PFC right now for the most part. But you gotta put yourself in the new player, new corp, small corp shoes. What can they do right now... A lot of the playerbase probably couldn't care less about PC, many probably don't know about it, heck I meet new guys all the time who don't even know other players on the team cant hear them talk when they are in squad voice, lol. If these newer/smaller guys care enough about PC, let them pay to play. Whats the worst that could happen? The richest players currently in the game get a little richer? Us outsiders will never know what the money goes towards, or where it ends up if it isn't used "policing" PFC. Apparently the people who ARE paying have a transparent contract with Kane/NF and I hope for their sakes that they do know all the fine details of how this whole scheme is working. There is nothing we can do about it.... besides attack Kane, ERA, NF, and all of their beasts. and of course, gripe on the forums. Its an interesting dynamic of this game... Cant blame anyone for being jelly they didn't come up with it first, and that's probably where most of these negative sentiments are coming. ** the new player and ** off letting my enemies get richer.. I get it. Right now, personally, if this helps bring new players in and keep players playing.. I'm all for it. Let them amass a little more wealth for now.. changes will come eventually, they always do. Can all be summed up in one word man," Meta"!!
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 994	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:08:00 - [89] - Quote **** man, I cant even shoot straight how am I supposed to understand "meta" lol.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 352	Posted - 2014.02.12 05:04:00 - [90] - Quote iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: Fat Bottom * wrote: iOwn AE Glitchers wrote: If a full district is attacked you get two days of clone generation. That gives you ISK in your pocket and guaranteed protection of your district. Nice try but your meta is weak. Yeah 2 days of clone gen if no one attacked you. But really the bigger question is why on earth should Kain Spero get that money? Kain wants to be all noble and defend PFC yadda yadda BS. Then he should just charge to hire his mercs if the district is taken. Which he still does, the rest is just pure profit for him. It sits in an escrow corp and doesn't get touched until it's used for PFC maintenance Kain isn't making any money on this, he can't touch it Lulz.

CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 861	Posted - 2014.02.12 12:35:00 - [91] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. and you're not the only one here with real life experience managing large contracts or even working as a military contractor. 20+ years in Iraq, Afghanistan, Djibouti and other places I wish I had never been. I worked for Halliburton on the construction/logistics side as a Project Manager. I understand business and I know extortion when I see it. There is no extortion here as there has been no crime commited, there is no DUST lawbook that I have seen. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 861	Posted - 2014.02.12 12:45:00 - [92] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do? Actually you should know as a PM that any construction project with any state or federal funding has almost a two to three year process that takes care of those problems IRL, securing of access and easements, paying for right of ways, even paying for legal insurance and license to be even considered to be allowed to bid on large scale projects. That is not extortion, that is the legal process involved in obtaining proper access and removal through buyout of parties not involved or in way of said projects, and insuring right to payment through retainage fee's which usually run around 10% of total contract value. Wanna keep going? CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 623	Posted - 2014.02.13 10:27:00 - [93] - Quote Fools. Take the fight to all of these PC big boys. They are not infallible. If you lose, so what you lose. I for one would have more dignity. If you cant hold your district by yourself then you don't deserve it in my humble opinion. PFC kind of defeats the object of its self. Train for pc? Ehh? You can train by attacking the ******* and taking a district for yourselves. But then this is New Eden. Do what you like.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 868	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:30:00 - [94] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Fools. Take the fight to all of these PC big boys. They are not infallible. If you lose, so what you lose. I for one would have more dignity. If you cant hold your district by yourself then you don't deserve it in my humble opinion. PFC kind of defeats the object of its self. Train for pc? Ehh? You can train by attacking the ******* and taking a district for yourselves. But then this is New Eden. Do what you like. How many districts does ACME hold? CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 277	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:20:00 - [95] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do? Actually you should know as a PM that any construction project with any state or federal funding has almost a two to three year process that takes care of those problems IRL, securing of access and easements, paying for right of ways, even paying for legal insurance and license to be even considered to be allowed to bid on large scale projects. That is not extortion, that is the legal process involved in obtaining proper access and removal through buyout of parties not involved or in way of said projects, and insuring right to payment through retainage fee's which usually run around 10% of total contract value. Wanna keep going? You are saying all the right things; legal process, legal insurance, proper access. Shall I keep going? No one just shows up and says, "here, pay this is or this will happen"
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:31:00 - [96] - Quote Are you guys seriously still responding to Bigole? Don't worry about him - no one listens to him. He's just running his mouth because it makes him look good to his AE masters in hopes they'll field him again. Spend your time trying to improve the system - not smashing your head against a wall trying to convince an idiot why it's necessary to have a workable PFC system.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 874	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:42:00 - [97] - Quote One thing more then I'm done here. there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2707	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:43:00 - [98] - Quote Better than 50 million if you need a team. Thread ends. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2707	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:44:00 - [99] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: One thing more then I'm done here. there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries. People simply do not get it mate. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 874	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:44:00 - [100] - Quote I have enjoyed adult conversation instead of %%%$$@#$%%%%^&&^&^&&&*&( , you fng scrub. Kudo's to you for that Bigole... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~

Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 145	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:54:00 - [101] - Quote You are saying all the right things; legal process, legal insurance, proper access. Shall I keep going? No one just shows up and says, "here, pay this is or this will happen" [/quote] Sure, if you don't check your mail at home you would never know there were consequences for not paying bills ie; taxes (for schooling, road repairs, police etc), city orders, mortgages, insurance for houses, cars, and boats with liens, credit card bills, letters from the bank. Sure, if you don't check your door to see if there is a notice of eviction sign nailed up, that your garage is now empty, or you credit cards don't work. From the looks of it someone is so far over their head they are drowning. America.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 192	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:26:00 - [102] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: One thing more then I'm done here. there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries. excuse me a minute here Perry Mason but if you give someone an ultimatum of start paying us or we take your property then that is extortion. laws or no laws it's still extortion.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2711	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:30:00 - [103] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: One thing more then I'm done here. there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries. excuse me a minute here Perry Mason but if you give someone an ultimatum of start paying us or we take your property then that is extortion. laws or no laws it's still extortion. Yes its extortion, to corps who want to fk about. To those that want to use pfc correctly, its nothing. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:37:00 - [104] - Quote SoldOut TryAgain wrote: Are you guys seriously still responding to Bigole? Don't worry about him - no one listens to him. He's just running his mouth because it makes him look good to his AE masters in hopes they'll field him again. Spend your time trying to improve the system - not smashing your head against a wall trying to convince an idiot why it's necessary to have a workable PFC system. Field me? In what, PC? LOL...no worries there. Wish I could just be on to play in more than one a week. This week was an exception. I played against Sota and boys, went 4-20, getting owned at every corner and then went 1-0 against Valor holding a point down. No worries about me cracking the LU. Let me sum it up for you. I am bored. Has nothing to do with my Master. She is right here making some mackerel soup by the way. Trying to get the chicken grease smell off of her
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:38:00 - [105] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: You are saying all the right things; legal process, legal insurance, proper access. Shall I keep going? No one just shows up and says, "here, pay this is or this will happen" Sure, if you don't check your mail at home you would never know there were consequences for not paying bills ie; taxes (for schooling, road repairs, police etc), city orders, mortgages, insurance for houses, cars, and boats with liens, credit card bills, letters from the bank. Sure, if you don't check your door to see if there is a notice of eviction sign nailed up, that your garage is now empty, or you credit cards don't work. From the looks of it someone is so far over their head they are drowning. America.[/quote] You will defend the process, you are part of it.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:39:00 - [106] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: I have enjoyed adult conversation instead of %%%$$@#$%%%%^&&^&^&&&*&( , you fng scrub. Kudo's to you for that Bigole... Agreed
SoldOut TryAgain Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2014.02.13 18:57:00 - [107] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: SoldOut TryAgain wrote: Are you guys seriously still responding to Bigole? Don't worry about him - no one listens to him. He's just running his mouth because it makes him look good to his AE masters in hopes they'll field him again. Spend your time trying to improve the system - not smashing your head against a wall trying to convince an idiot why it's necessary to have a workable PFC system. Field me? In what, PC? LOL...no worries there. Wish I could just be on to play in more than one a week. This week was an exception. I played against Sota and boys, went 4-20, getting owned at every corner and then went 1-0 against Valor holding a point down. No worries about me cracking the LU. Let me sum it up for you. I am bored. Has nothing to do with my Master. She is right here making some mackerel soup by the way. Trying to get the chicken grease smell off of her Nah, your obviously lying. Your on all day and never get fielded because AE doesn't need another worthless heavy who can't beat a scout in a 1v1 when he's running a speed fit.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:05:00 - [108] - Quote SoldOut TryAgain wrote: bigolenuts wrote: SoldOut TryAgain wrote: Are you guys seriously still responding to Bigole? Don't worry about him - no one listens to him. He's just running his mouth because it makes him look good to his AE masters in hopes they'll field him again. Spend your time trying to improve the system - not smashing your head against a wall trying to convince an idiot why it's necessary to have a workable PFC system. Field me? In what, PC? LOL...no worries there. Wish I could just be on to play in more than one a week. This week was an exception. I played against Sota and boys, went 4-20, getting owned at every corner and then went 1-0 against Valor holding a point down. No worries about me cracking the LU. Let me sum it up for you. I am bored. Has nothing to do with my Master. She is right here making some mackerel soup by the way. Trying to get the chicken grease smell off of her Nah, your obviously lying. Your on all day and never get fielded because AE doesn't need another worthless heavy who can't beat a scout in a 1v1 when he's running a speed fit. On all day? LOL...don't tell my work please.


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