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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
954
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:55:00 -
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Fat Bottom ***** wrote:So now our beloved Kain Spero, CPM Superstar has now demanded 8.75 million ISK a week from each corp that owns a district on PFC. What exactly will Mr. Spero do with this 227,500,000 ISK a week exactly. He will make sure that NF and Too... Flatlines will not take your PFC district. What a deal. If someone else should attack your PFC district with the intention of trying to take it. It will cost you extra for it's defense and/or recovery.
I guess the first step would be to clarify if the 8.75m isk/week payment is in fact all inclusive as Cub's secretary mentioned, including paying for defenses or reacquisition services. Based on the original post he indicated that actual fighting would cost more money, which leaves a fairly large variable if any of the "big boy corps" decide to wreck the party it could become VERY costly for these corps to pay additional for Kain's thugs to fight off the potentially huge attack.
I'm not sure this can be defined as extortion, although at first glance it does look that way. The problem is that there are no laws or rules in New Eden, it is no holds barred. PFC is not owned by anyone.. it can, and in some peoples mind, should be up for grabs just like any other planet in the system. PFC is an idea made up by the community, for the community, and supposed to be policed by the community. The strongest members of the community have decided on this new structure, and while I cringe at the though of these guys gaining even more wealth, if they provide this service and continue to help new corps and new players stay with this game a little longer... it may just be worth it. The previous systems were pretty good, but flawed nonetheless.. maybe this will work out? Maybe it wont.. but either way, welcome to New Eden :) |
iOwn AE Glitchers
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:02:00 -
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Yes, it's all inclusive. For instance, if you lose your district, that weekly tax is now paying for the clones to re-attack, 16 of the best players in the game for however long it takes, and the clone pack it costs for you to reacquire the district from us. Also we will step in before you even lose the district, ideally.
For 8m of pocket change. And people are still trying to complain
Ridiculous.
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
954
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:13:00 -
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If it is all inclusive, not bad.
For nay-sayers think about this as an insurance policy, and not extortion. How many of us pay for auto insurance and never once file a claim? Do you feel that that money has been wasted, or that you have been robbed by the insurance company? NO you don't, and you don't ask for a refund either. Why? Because in this crazy world we live in you NEED auto insurance, and even if it wasn't required to register your car at the DMV, you would be stupid not to purchase it to protect yourself financially. Don't think about how much money the insurance company makes, because they make TONS. Just think about the peace of mind that perhaps now, again, PFC will be a secure place for you and your bros to train.
Nobody will blame you for being jealous of this setup. Nobody will force you to pay, but rest assured if you don't... then you will really feel what PC is like right now and the top 1% will come take your ****..guaranteed, if only to make a point.
Just remember as I always said, these guys are not your friends... you are literally paying them insurance to let you practice on PFC without fear of losing your playing field so that one day you can beat the snot out of them and take their ****.
Yeah, new eden lol.
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john smitharooni
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:17:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain
As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent.
That's it in a nutshell. It's really that simple.
BURN PFC TO THE GROUND....it's a sham and a welfare state.
If your noob corp needs practice, q sync and play FW or attack somebody in PC. PFC has been a failure and will continue to be so, except to the bill collectors.
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The Black Art
Fatal Absolution
393
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:30:00 -
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Cubs Secretary wrote: Art im a little upset you didn't offer me any of what you're smokin when we squadded up last night. Seriously.
Hey man, I'm just going by what the OP said. Last night was the first time I've played pubs in 2 weeks so I don't know what's goin on anymore. TBH the withdrawals from not wiping Minscum off planets may have affected my state of mind. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
954
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:35:00 -
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john smitharooni wrote:The Black Art wrote:Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain
As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. That's it in a nutshell. It's really that simple. BURN PFC TO THE GROUND....it's a sham and a welfare state. If your noob corp needs practice, q sync and play FW or attack somebody in PC. PFC has been a failure and will continue to be so, except to the bill collectors.
Definition of "extort"
to wrest or wring (money, information, etc.) from a person by violence, intimidation, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like.
If ERA, or any other corp with the ability to do so, attacked your district and took it by force, that too could be defined as "extortion".
In the end the current PFC landowners have 3 choices:
Pay for insurance and assume protection from the top players currently in the game, a virtually unbeatable team on any given Sunday. Continue PC practice and hope to one day rise to power.
Don't pay, and lock the district... waiting for CCP to fix the problem sometime soonTM.. or for someone to snipe your district timer and take your land.
Don't pay, keep the district unlocked and lose it. |
Texas Killionaire
Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance
50
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:49:00 -
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Maybe it's best if the PFC residents lock up. They'll get more money, plus in a month when there's a new governing body, they can just say 'we didn't trust Escrow, but we love you guys'. Also, this can be an exercise in "WatchinYoOwnShit-FU'. Now I'm against district-locking, bit I'm more against a corp assuming control over a 'community outreach program', then demanding money for it. Question authority kids. They do not have your best interests in mind. I say, lock em' up. Show the rest of MH what you learned. Or don't... Some people were made to be worker bees.
If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win.
Jello Biafra = God
AQUPI
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Fat Bottom Bitch
Commando Perkone Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:07:00 -
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iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:Yes, it's all inclusive. For instance, if you lose your district, that weekly tax is now paying for the clones to re-attack, 16 of the best players in the game for however long it takes, and the clone pack it costs for you to reacquire the district from us. Also we will step in before you even lose the district, ideally.
Even if your are now changing your story from what you were telling us in that "meeting" earlier, and have made it all inclusive. Darling, sweety for 200+ million ISK a week. You can hire Kane and his buddies to take back 3 districts a week, standard rates. If one PFC district is stolen a week I would be surprised.
Making insurance payments mandatory is Extortion. With a capital E. If they were optional, and you offered PFC district reacquiring fee's that corps would have to pay when they needed it, that would be fair.
Because lets face it when the power shifts again as it always does, all that ISK paid is going to magically disappear, like a candy bar at a weight watchers convention. |
iOwn AE Glitchers
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:18:00 -
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Fat Bottom ***** wrote:iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:Yes, it's all inclusive. For instance, if you lose your district, that weekly tax is now paying for the clones to re-attack, 16 of the best players in the game for however long it takes, and the clone pack it costs for you to reacquire the district from us. Also we will step in before you even lose the district, ideally.
Even if your are now changing your story from what you were telling us in that "meeting" earlier, and have made it all inclusive. Darling, sweety for 200+ million ISK a week. You can hire Kane and his buddies to take back 3 districts a week, standard rates. If one PFC district is stolen a week I would be surprised. Making insurance payments mandatory is Extortion. With a capital E. If they were optional, and you offered PFC district reacquiring fee's that corps would have to pay when they needed it, that would be fair. Because lets face it when the power shifts again as it always does, all that ISK paid is going to magically disappear, like a candy bar at a weight watchers convention. You realize the going rate for a single district is 200m, and that barely covers our costs, right? |
Psychic SideKick
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:25:00 -
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If there is 8 conflicts 1/3 of pc that 225 mil is not even enough for the clone packs never mind merc fees . This is chump change to insure your protection. If you dont want to pay ok defend your self o wait pfc is here because none of you can hang in MH. So stop crying because you really will be with no districs.
Just another unbanned alt
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
2570
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:28:00 -
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Posted in the other thread that degenerated into sub-human **** slinging and lologic...
#240Posted: 2014.02.08 03:42-á|-áReport
I must say I was impressed with Sperow Escrow Services for wanting to raise their swords for PFC but I must have been foolish in believing it to be for honour like all the tier-1 corporations before it, and not the ISK.
I will not support this system. I was approached understanding this project to be charity based and largely unregulated - governed loosely by those strong enough to hold a district without foreign intervention.
I'm sad to see defenders of PFC trying to turn knights into a hired police force. Soraya and Kain, you've lost your way on this one. Leave the planet in the hands of its people and their God.
It's been long understood that if Calamity struck Planet Fight Club the leaders of each corporation would unite and defeat the Invaders. Legend tells us that by risk or ISK the Champion would emerge victorious. And that war would reign eternal upon its lands forever.
Jihad Jeep Proficiency V
Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
965
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Posted - 2014.02.08 21:17:00 -
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**** yeah... Roleplay dem hoes. |
Not The CEO
Nothecorp...
9
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:08:00 -
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Fat Bottom ***** wrote:iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:Yes, it's all inclusive. For instance, if you lose your district, that weekly tax is now paying for the clones to re-attack, 16 of the best players in the game for however long it takes, and the clone pack it costs for you to reacquire the district from us. Also we will step in before you even lose the district, ideally.
Even if your are now changing your story from what you were telling us in that "meeting" earlier, and have made it all inclusive. Darling, sweety for 200+ million ISK a week. You can hire Kane and his buddies to take back 3 districts a week, standard rates. If one PFC district is stolen a week I would be surprised. Making insurance payments mandatory is Extortion. With a capital E. If they were optional, and you offered PFC district reacquiring fee's that corps would have to pay when they needed it, that would be fair. Because lets face it when the power shifts again as it always does, all that ISK paid is going to magically disappear, like a candy bar at a weight watchers convention. It'll disappear like your pants in an oyster bar OOOPS, wrong thread...
You are so irrelevant my pet pig won't aknowledge you..
D1cklord#2
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Shokhann Echo
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2014.02.09 03:36:00 -
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on the outside it looks as if kain is turning PFC from a lawless clusterfuck into something similar to college irl.
in college you pay monthly to keep your tuition up and not be expelled from the university your going to.
now in PFC you pay weekly to keep your district from turning into the rest of MH allowing your corporation to graduate and get into the job profession (PURE PC MH).
its very obvious though that this is not whats going on in the inside.
Void Echo Alt #1
Back on main 3-31-14
Il be back in game within the next month or so.
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The Baby Shaker
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
131
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:23:00 -
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Since they took over how many defenses have they done? I highly doubt any corp would try and take a pfc district right now so where is this money being spent? Sounds like fund our campaign propaganda lol.
I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:32:00 -
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The Baby Shaker wrote:Since they took over how many defenses have they done? I highly doubt any corp would try and take a pfc district right now so where is this money being spent? Sounds like fund our campaign propaganda lol. "OMG, People don't hit PFC because.. they won't win?! SO WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR POLICE?! *Stops paying, gets hit* Oh... right."
This isn't a charity - we get paid. Get over it and stop QQing. |
Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1408
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Posted - 2014.02.09 06:10:00 -
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The Baby Shaker wrote:Since they took over how many defenses have they done? I highly doubt any corp would try and take a pfc district right now so where is this money being spent? Sounds like fund our campaign propaganda lol.
On removing district lockers, which they are actively doing.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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MoonEagle A
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
123
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Posted - 2014.02.10 07:59:00 -
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I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
823
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:08:00 -
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MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops.
It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete.
Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future.
Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
974
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:54:00 -
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GG Cyrax and Death Firm |
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MoonEagle A
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:42:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy...
We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services.
I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point. |
DJiNN RageQUiT
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:59:00 -
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MoonEagle A wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services. I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point.
that's ok didn't we all read somewhere that your crew could handle anything?
time to find out it seems
I have 1 eye cause I lost the other in an unfortunate Smelting Accident
and I'm skilled at cleaning toilets
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
827
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:11:00 -
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DJiNN RageQUiT wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services. I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point. that's ok didn't we all read somewhere that your crew could handle anything? time to find out it seems
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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MoonEagle A
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:16:00 -
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I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty.
Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish.
All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity. |
Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
225
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:21:00 -
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MoonEagle A wrote:I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty.
Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish.
All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity. Challenge them to a pistol fight in MLT gear, make things interesting.
CCP Lockingbro needs help! Sign!
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Sentient Archon
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1715
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:26:00 -
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MoonEagle A wrote:I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty.
Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish.
All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity.
Dude! You QQ way too much... Less QQ and more pew pew!
Corps wanting to fight other corps is a good thing! No... it really is a good thing! Thats the only way you get better.
If you idea of fun is lolpubs you dont deserve a taste of PC or any of its derivatives. From what I see CYRAX is done with lolpubs and wants to test his metal against the bigger or big boys. Its a good thing. You should want to fight these guys for that. Whenever I see CYRAX I pull out my proto stuff because my advance **** aint gonna hack it. Even if I loose millions of ISK;- I love it because they bring it.
Keep a simple policy in mind;- if you are good follow the ISK. Interwebz relationships are as good a virtual sex. You might think its real;- but it aint!
#WahWah #HaventRunIntoCYRAXSince43V@
The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1417
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:35:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Challenge them to a pistol fight in MLT gear, make things interesting.
This would be entertaining, I would love to do one of these. As bad as my scrambler pistol aim is.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
506
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:51:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:DJiNN RageQUiT wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services. I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point. that's ok didn't we all read somewhere that your crew could handle anything? time to find out it seems Didn't you guys just get into PFC?
Who wants some?
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
244
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:53:00 -
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When is the current CPM stepping down so we can vote on another CPM?
I just don't really think Kain will be so popular when he is not part of the CPM. Guys are following him around like he is some type modern day Pied Piper. |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
506
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:56:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:When is the current CPM stepping down so we can vote on another CPM?
I just don't really think Kain will be so popular when he is not part of the CPM. Guys are following him around like he is some type modern day Pied Piper.
The pied piper was a good dude till he didn't get paid.
Who wants some?
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