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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:35:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:bigolenuts wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. and you're not the only one here with real life experience managing large contracts or even working as a military contractor. 20+ years in Iraq, Afghanistan, Djibouti and other places I wish I had never been. I worked for Halliburton on the construction/logistics side as a Project Manager. I understand business and I know extortion when I see it. There is no extortion here as there has been no crime commited, there is no DUST lawbook that I have seen.
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
861
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:45:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:bigolenuts wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do? Actually you should know as a PM that any construction project with any state or federal funding has almost a two to three year process that takes care of those problems IRL, securing of access and easements, paying for right of ways, even paying for legal insurance and license to be even considered to be allowed to bid on large scale projects. That is not extortion, that is the legal process involved in obtaining proper access and removal through buyout of parties not involved or in way of said projects, and insuring right to payment through retainage fee's which usually run around 10% of total contract value.
Wanna keep going?
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Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising
623
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Posted - 2014.02.13 10:27:00 -
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Fools. Take the fight to all of these PC big boys. They are not infallible. If you lose, so what you lose. I for one would have more dignity. If you cant hold your district by yourself then you don't deserve it in my humble opinion. PFC kind of defeats the object of its self. Train for pc? Ehh? You can train by attacking the ******* and taking a district for yourselves.
But then this is New Eden. Do what you like. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
868
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Posted - 2014.02.13 12:30:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Fools. Take the fight to all of these PC big boys. They are not infallible. If you lose, so what you lose. I for one would have more dignity. If you cant hold your district by yourself then you don't deserve it in my humble opinion. PFC kind of defeats the object of its self. Train for pc? Ehh? You can train by attacking the ******* and taking a district for yourselves.
But then this is New Eden. Do what you like. How many districts does ACME hold?
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Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
277
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:20:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:bigolenuts wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:bigolenuts wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do? Actually you should know as a PM that any construction project with any state or federal funding has almost a two to three year process that takes care of those problems IRL, securing of access and easements, paying for right of ways, even paying for legal insurance and license to be even considered to be allowed to bid on large scale projects. That is not extortion, that is the legal process involved in obtaining proper access and removal through buyout of parties not involved or in way of said projects, and insuring right to payment through retainage fee's which usually run around 10% of total contract value. Wanna keep going?
You are saying all the right things; legal process, legal insurance, proper access. Shall I keep going? No one just shows up and says, "here, pay this is or this will happen"
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SoldOut TryAgain
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:31:00 -
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Are you guys seriously still responding to Bigole? Don't worry about him - no one listens to him. He's just running his mouth because it makes him look good to his AE masters in hopes they'll field him again.
Spend your time trying to improve the system - not smashing your head against a wall trying to convince an idiot why it's necessary to have a workable PFC system. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
874
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:42:00 -
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One thing more then I'm done here.
there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2707
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:43:00 -
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Better than 50 million if you need a team.
Thread ends.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2707
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:44:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:One thing more then I'm done here.
there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries.
People simply do not get it mate.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
874
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:44:00 -
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I have enjoyed adult conversation instead of %%%$$@#$%%%%^&&^&^&&&**&*( , you fng scrub.
Kudo's to you for that Bigole...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
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Doc DDD
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
145
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:54:00 -
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You are saying all the right things; legal process, legal insurance, proper access. Shall I keep going? No one just shows up and says, "here, pay this is or this will happen" [/quote]
Sure, if you don't check your mail at home you would never know there were consequences for not paying bills ie; taxes (for schooling, road repairs, police etc), city orders, mortgages, insurance for houses, cars, and boats with liens, credit card bills, letters from the bank. Sure, if you don't check your door to see if there is a notice of eviction sign nailed up, that your garage is now empty, or you credit cards don't work. From the looks of it someone is so far over their head they are drowning. America. |
Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
192
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:26:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:One thing more then I'm done here.
there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries. excuse me a minute here Perry Mason but if you give someone an ultimatum of start paying us or we take your property then that is extortion. laws or no laws it's still extortion.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2711
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:30:00 -
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Kam Elto wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:One thing more then I'm done here.
there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries. excuse me a minute here Perry Mason but if you give someone an ultimatum of start paying us or we take your property then that is extortion. laws or no laws it's still extortion.
Yes its extortion, to corps who want to fk about.
To those that want to use pfc correctly, its nothing.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
278
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:37:00 -
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SoldOut TryAgain wrote:Are you guys seriously still responding to Bigole? Don't worry about him - no one listens to him. He's just running his mouth because it makes him look good to his AE masters in hopes they'll field him again.
Spend your time trying to improve the system - not smashing your head against a wall trying to convince an idiot why it's necessary to have a workable PFC system.
Field me? In what, PC? LOL...no worries there. Wish I could just be on to play in more than one a week. This week was an exception. I played against Sota and boys, went 4-20, getting owned at every corner and then went 1-0 against Valor holding a point down. No worries about me cracking the LU. Let me sum it up for you. I am bored. Has nothing to do with my Master. She is right here making some mackerel soup by the way. Trying to get the chicken grease smell off of her |
bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
278
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:38:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:You are saying all the right things; legal process, legal insurance, proper access. Shall I keep going? No one just shows up and says, "here, pay this is or this will happen"
Sure, if you don't check your mail at home you would never know there were consequences for not paying bills ie; taxes (for schooling, road repairs, police etc), city orders, mortgages, insurance for houses, cars, and boats with liens, credit card bills, letters from the bank. Sure, if you don't check your door to see if there is a notice of eviction sign nailed up, that your garage is now empty, or you credit cards don't work. From the looks of it someone is so far over their head they are drowning. America.[/quote]
You will defend the process, you are part of it. |
bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
278
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:39:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:I have enjoyed adult conversation instead of %%%$$@#$%%%%^&&^&^&&&**&*( , you fng scrub.
Kudo's to you for that Bigole...
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SoldOut TryAgain
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:57:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:SoldOut TryAgain wrote:Are you guys seriously still responding to Bigole? Don't worry about him - no one listens to him. He's just running his mouth because it makes him look good to his AE masters in hopes they'll field him again.
Spend your time trying to improve the system - not smashing your head against a wall trying to convince an idiot why it's necessary to have a workable PFC system. Field me? In what, PC? LOL...no worries there. Wish I could just be on to play in more than one a week. This week was an exception. I played against Sota and boys, went 4-20, getting owned at every corner and then went 1-0 against Valor holding a point down. No worries about me cracking the LU. Let me sum it up for you. I am bored. Has nothing to do with my Master. She is right here making some mackerel soup by the way. Trying to get the chicken grease smell off of her Nah, your obviously lying. Your on all day and never get fielded because AE doesn't need another worthless heavy who can't beat a scout in a 1v1 when he's running a speed fit. |
bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
278
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:05:00 -
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SoldOut TryAgain wrote:bigolenuts wrote:SoldOut TryAgain wrote:Are you guys seriously still responding to Bigole? Don't worry about him - no one listens to him. He's just running his mouth because it makes him look good to his AE masters in hopes they'll field him again.
Spend your time trying to improve the system - not smashing your head against a wall trying to convince an idiot why it's necessary to have a workable PFC system. Field me? In what, PC? LOL...no worries there. Wish I could just be on to play in more than one a week. This week was an exception. I played against Sota and boys, went 4-20, getting owned at every corner and then went 1-0 against Valor holding a point down. No worries about me cracking the LU. Let me sum it up for you. I am bored. Has nothing to do with my Master. She is right here making some mackerel soup by the way. Trying to get the chicken grease smell off of her Nah, your obviously lying. Your on all day and never get fielded because AE doesn't need another worthless heavy who can't beat a scout in a 1v1 when he's running a speed fit.
On all day? LOL...don't tell my work please. |
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