I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay.

All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening.

I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty.

Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish.

All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity.

Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops.

It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete.

Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future.

Respectful in an honourable defeat,
Cy...

p.s. I think the insurance/extortion idea outlined in this thread is BS, personally. From what i know of Spero, he's a straight up guy, but I find myself scratching my head on this one. $200M+ per week to act as the police in an area that doesn't really need much of it? Curious....

Here's an idea for the people who reside on PFC. Lock your district like everyone else. Be l33t like them. That's the only way to do pc.

Umm, no...

LOL!!! So basically, you're a merchant in your hometown neighborhood and for protection, the mob sends their guys in demanding a percentage so you may remain open without any quarrels or closures.

I dont mind paying the 8.75 million isk extortion per week to Kain and Escrow removal. Oh btw I hereby am charging Kain and his corp 8.75 million isk per week for the privilege of playing this fine game in the Eve universe. This is non negotiable so I fully expect you to pay up.

I would check your assumptions on how much it costs to enforce actively.

And given the sad state PFC has been in for months, this is chump change to be getting active corps placed on PFC around us, so we have better opportunities to practice.

Umm, no...

Leadfoot, 200 mil a week is an assembled total. That's to cover enforcement on all 24 districts for the week. If you know how much the top tier ringers cost, you know it'll cover only a certain number of matches. Some weeks may require less enforcement, some may require more. ISK from weeks where enforcement is light can be used on weeks where enforcement is heavy.

Additionally, it's important to note that the maintenance charge a single corp pays, 8.75 million, is not only small enough to fit in a single clone regen, something you'll often get while waiting for an attack to commence anyhow, it serves a dual benefit for the corp participating. Not only are they protected from outside parties, but they're also paying for a better PFC experience. While many corps have done an excellent job remaining active participants of PFC, many have not. This has led to reduced numbers of opponents/available targets, leading to a less rich PFC experience. So by funding the enforcement system, you help ensure that everyone else's PFC districts remain open for business and available for play.

I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context.

I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye.

Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds.

He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible.

If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend.

I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context.

I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye.

Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds.

He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible.

If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend.

Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest.

Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do?

Easy, call in an orbital! Dafuq are you on about nuts, comparing real life to video games... silly ********.

TLDR
Meh, its not that big of a deal.

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I see where you all are coming with the extortion bit.

Its a sticky situation, most of us who post here are setup in corps and good to go, we have isk, we have our teams, some good some bad, but we don't really have to worry. Everything is locked up anyway, the only fights are on PFC right now for the most part.

But you gotta put yourself in the new player, new corp, small corp shoes. What can they do right now... A lot of the playerbase probably couldn't care less about PC, many probably don't know about it, heck I meet new guys all the time who don't even know other players on the team cant hear them talk when they are in squad voice, lol.

If these newer/smaller guys care enough about PC, let them pay to play. Whats the worst that could happen? The richest players currently in the game get a little richer? Us outsiders will never know what the money goes towards, or where it ends up if it isn't used "policing" PFC. Apparently the people who ARE paying have a transparent contract with Kane/NF and I hope for their sakes that they do know all the fine details of how this whole scheme is working.

There is nothing we can do about it.... besides attack Kane, ERA, NF, and all of their beasts. and of course, gripe on the forums.

Its an interesting dynamic of this game... Cant blame anyone for being jelly they didn't come up with it first, and that's probably where most of these negative sentiments are coming. **** the new player and **** off letting my enemies get richer.. I get it. Right now, personally, if this helps bring new players in and keep players playing.. I'm all for it. Let them amass a little more wealth for now.. changes will come eventually, they always do.

It sits in an escrow corp and doesn't get touched until it's used for PFC maintenance
Kain isn't making any money on this, he can't touch it