I can always make an alt corp and really give you a reason to want that protection

8 million is nothing, I'll pay it right now to have an alt corp generate clones...8m isn't even one day of clone generation

Cool, I'd like to see what genius "thrive" plan you have for PFC that doesn't include you making empty promises just as we did to keep newer corps with relatively no real combat threat in line.

I assume you're going to be going at a pay to be here profit angle then? Considering PFC as is right now will be completely unprofitable for you, and I have no idea why you would otherwise be interested in wasting time and effort for the sake of players/corps that may or may not stay committed to becoming better. Just saying, if this is a ploy to get rich/dismantle the majority of what PFC stands for right now, AE will step in. You will talk to us about what you're doing or we will be skeptical and probably take action if you're not enforcing the rules agreed upon.

More importantly, I'd like to see you do it without wiping out PFC inhabitants actually interested in the idea behind PFC and actively participating. Thriving would include top efficiency of all of PFC districts being used for this purpose, I assume?

Also
That's a great point. You have connections, make a list of all the PFC rules and get them sticky'ed here in the war room or bump them for a LONG TIME so that everyone can see the exact rules rather than be afraid of unspoken one's.

If you're willing to police PFC via contracting top of the line mercenary's to fight rule breaking noobs, then sure. But unless the community agree's with you milking them for their ISK from PFC to fund it, I don't see anything like that happening.

If a full district is attacked you get two days of clone generation.
That gives you ISK in your pocket and guaranteed protection of your district.
Nice try but your meta is weak.

Yeah 2 days of clone gen if no one attacked you. But really the bigger question is why on earth should Kain Spero get that money? Kain wants to be all noble and defend PFC yadda yadda BS. Then he should just charge to hire his mercs if the district is taken. Which he still does, the rest is just pure profit for him.

It sits in an escrow corp and doesn't get touched until it's used for PFC maintenance
Kain isn't making any money on this, he can't touch it

Saw it coming from a mile away.

Though never said it wasn't warranted for protecting PFC. Corps on PFC would otherwise not even have a chance in MH if rules and regulations weren't in place. They are in no way entitled to the isk that comes with it.

If people of PFC submit to this tax i see nothing stopping other corps from setting their own tax on PFC corps.

Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect.

And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself.

So now our beloved Kain Spero, CPM Superstar has now demanded 8.75 million ISK a week from each corp that owns a district on PFC. What exactly will Mr. Spero do with this 227,500,000 ISK a week exactly. He will make sure that NF and Too... Flatlines will not take your PFC district. What a deal. If someone else should attack your PFC district with the intention of trying to take it. It will cost you extra for it's defense and/or recovery.

That's Kain! The man of the hour, a CCP employee, and the leader of Dust's latest extortion racket!

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corps that have been on pfc for a long time/corps that don't need to be on pfc like hellstorm and generals should be required to pay. they have high tax rates and hundreds of members anyways.

If he touches the isk our mercs don't get paid, PFC goes to hell, and kain loses all credibility

That isn't going to happen
If you think this is some get rich quick scheme you're delusional
There's always escrow removal and acquisition.

I get drug out of bed to type a form letter... i hate you all

From the desk of Cubs:

'first and foremost, the bashing of Kane Spero on this is pretty damn silly. Spero Escrow Services is a well established, trusted corp that is the closest thing we have to an insured exchange in Dust.

both Kane and I have been around PFC since its inception. Kane was a pioneer in pushing for it to even become a reality, and I have directly regulated it as well. Our experience with the backing of our glorious mercs provides the greatest chance for Oddeluf to finally be 100% a Planet Fight Club.

Im saddened to see Hellstorm not being on board with this, but life goes on.


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the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain

Name a group that consistently beats N-F...

@Kobrah I respect you for backing up PFC

Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect.

And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself.

As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent.

While I agree that 9 mil isn't much per corp, there's also no reason for NF to be getting that much. You should be compensated for your work, but 200m+ every week on top of ringer fees? That's just taking advantage of the PFC corps. Why aren't ringer fees enough? The contracts don't differ from your regular ones; it's still just PC battles, easy ones at that.

And why does Kain deserve to claim this income?



So there is always the corp that is in the alliance Kain runs is going to stop Kain from Kain taking money from the PFC corps. OH it makes perfect sense now.

Please sir do not include DF in the whiny category, we are proponents of a drama free no QQ atmosphere.

We fully understand any and all challenges, rules and whatnot, welcoming the challenge.

DF whining? Blasphemy.

Right, forgot about DF. Got a lot of respect for you guys. Also Hellstorm, fought them a couple of times, but I still retain my stance on the majority of PFC.