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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:56:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect.
And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself.
Please sir do not include DF in the whiny category, we are proponents of a drama free no QQ atmosphere.
We fully understand any and all challenges, rules and whatnot, welcoming the challenge.
DF whining? Blasphemy.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:48:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect.
And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself. Please sir do not include DF in the whiny category, we are proponents of a drama free no QQ atmosphere. We fully understand any and all challenges, rules and whatnot, welcoming the challenge. DF whining? Blasphemy. Right, forgot about DF. Got a lot of respect for you guys. Also Hellstorm, fought them a couple of times, but I still retain my stance on the majority of PFC.
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Posted - 2014.02.08 14:49:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Well, you've got to look at it from a former "officers' perspective of PFC. Officer being people who have policed PFC before. Our point of view being that the people on PFC are really whiny and tend to whenever they break the rules start screaming it was an accident or "I didn't do it" like a horny teen who got her girl pregnant. Ask yourself if you want to deal with people like these without some form of compensation. This is the compensation. Besides that you're acting as if the land on PFC is something you're entitled to. The upper class built it as a way to help train other corps to become strong. You act as if they can't simply go in to every turf on PFC and treat it like another part of New Eden, IE. a place to farm their isk. PFC is a privilege, this is not something you automatically get and should expect.
And before anyone starts raising cane about me saying this, just remember I was a cop of PFC for a bit, I would never police that without getting paid at least 10 mil a week. Don't believe it's that stressful? Police it yourself. Please sir do not include DF in the whiny category, we are proponents of a drama free no QQ atmosphere. We fully understand any and all challenges, rules and whatnot, welcoming the challenge. DF whining? Blasphemy. Right, forgot about DF. Got a lot of respect for you guys. Also Hellstorm, fought them a couple of times, but I still retain my stance on the majority of PFC.
Thank you, and agreed.
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:08:00 -
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MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay.
Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops.
It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete.
Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future.
Respectful in an honourable defeat,
Cy...
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:11:00 -
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 DJiNN RageQUiT wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. Had Molon Labe last night and we pay our insurance. You miss the point, they didn't try to flip the district, they came to let us fight a top shelf opponent for one match and we lost, learned, and gave a good fight in return. You aren't gonna get any better if you don't play up a couple levels. Outside Corps are welcome to attack as long as they don't intend to flip the district, there is no need to call in the reinforcing troops. It's up to you to communicate and find out the attacking corps intent. Welcome those battles against the bigger and better teams of PC vets, it's the ONLY way we will get better and be able to compete. Thank you Molon Labe for a good fair game. We all enjoyed it and observed how you ran that particular map and will apply some of those tactics in the future. Respectful in an honourable defeat, Cy... We would have been open to battle anyone. Those battles are good for PFC. Unfortunately we will not get that option anymore besides tonight I suppose. We were the ones following the rules until the new ones came into effect. We have been attacked by the Escrow Removal Services. I have heard the argument over and over again that this new rule was so that we did not get flipped by the "big boys". We didn't have that problem until now which is my point. that's ok didn't we all read somewhere that your crew could handle anything? time to find out it seems
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Posted - 2014.02.10 21:03:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening.
I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context.
I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye.
Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds.
He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible.
If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend.
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Posted - 2014.02.10 21:41:00 -
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MoonEagle A wrote:I know what you are referring to and unfortunately must bite my tongue. I was not present in talks so I cannot speak with certainty.
Sad Cyrax that yours was a Corp I would have considered going if I needed one. You seem to want to fight with me which is not my wish.
All Subsonic wants to do is play a game and have fun. We will play tonight and regardless of the outcome, we shall fight as one. We will still be Subsonic after this. This will not break us. I am proud of my guys. I chose them to be my gamer family. I am glad we are not like many of those corps with no integrity.
I am sorry if you feel I want a quarrel with you moon, there is no intent for that and I apologize if you misunderstood, or if I came off like that.
Fifght hard and good luck.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:19:00 -
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Spartan MK420 wrote:Here's an idea for the people who reside on PFC. Lock your district like everyone else. Be l33t like them. That's the only way to do pc.
Umm, no...
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:35:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:bigolenuts wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. and you're not the only one here with real life experience managing large contracts or even working as a military contractor. 20+ years in Iraq, Afghanistan, Djibouti and other places I wish I had never been. I worked for Halliburton on the construction/logistics side as a Project Manager. I understand business and I know extortion when I see it.
There is no extortion here as there has been no crime commited, there is no DUST lawbook that I have seen.
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:45:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:bigolenuts wrote:MoonEagle A wrote:I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do?
Actually you should know as a PM that any construction project with any state or federal funding has almost a two to three year process that takes care of those problems IRL, securing of access and easements, paying for right of ways, even paying for legal insurance and license to be even considered to be allowed to bid on large scale projects. That is not extortion, that is the legal process involved in obtaining proper access and removal through buyout of parties not involved or in way of said projects, and insuring right to payment through retainage fee's which usually run around 10% of total contract value.
Wanna keep going?
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Posted - 2014.02.13 12:30:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Fools. Take the fight to all of these PC big boys. They are not infallible. If you lose, so what you lose. I for one would have more dignity. If you cant hold your district by yourself then you don't deserve it in my humble opinion. PFC kind of defeats the object of its self. Train for pc? Ehh? You can train by attacking the ******* and taking a district for yourselves.
But then this is New Eden. Do what you like.
How many districts does ACME hold?
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:42:00 -
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One thing more then I'm done here.
there is no established set of laws in this game. How can you label someone as an extortionist with no set law describing action for finding of guilt? Such is my comparison to real life Bigole, without law, there is no criminal intent or action, only business as usual in a game filled with mercenaries.
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:44:00 -
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I have enjoyed adult conversation instead of %%%$$@#$%%%%^&&^&^&&&**&*( , you fng scrub.
Kudo's to you for that Bigole...
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