DUST Search - 9mil/week to keep your PFC district. Please Pay Kain Spero.

bigolenuts wrote:

CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:

bigolenuts wrote:

MoonEagle A wrote:

I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay.

All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening.

I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context.

I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye.

Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds.

He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible.

If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend.

Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest.

Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do?


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ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 954	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:55:00 - [1] - Quote Fat Bottom * wrote: So now our beloved Kain Spero, CPM Superstar has now demanded 8.75 million ISK a week from each corp that owns a district on PFC. What exactly will Mr. Spero do with this 227,500,000 ISK a week exactly. He will make sure that NF and Too... Flatlines will not take your PFC district. What a deal. If someone else should attack your PFC district with the intention of trying to take it. It will cost you extra for it's defense and/or recovery. I guess the first step would be to clarify if the 8.75m isk/week payment is in fact all inclusive as Cub's secretary mentioned, including paying for defenses or reacquisition services. Based on the original post he indicated that actual fighting would cost more money, which leaves a fairly large variable if any of the "big boy corps" decide to wreck the party it could become VERY costly for these corps to pay additional for Kain's thugs to fight off the potentially huge attack. I'm not sure this can be defined as extortion, although at first glance it does look that way. The problem is that there are no laws or rules in New Eden, it is no holds barred. PFC is not owned by anyone.. it can, and in some peoples mind, should be up for grabs just like any other planet in the system. PFC is an idea made up by the community, for the community, and supposed to be policed by the community. The strongest members of the community have decided on this new structure, and while I cringe at the though of these guys gaining even more wealth, if they provide this service and continue to help new corps and new players stay with this game a little longer... it may just be worth it. The previous systems were pretty good, but flawed nonetheless.. maybe this will work out? Maybe it wont.. but either way, welcome to New Eden :)
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 954	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:13:00 - [2] - Quote If it is all inclusive, not bad. For nay-sayers think about this as an insurance policy, and not extortion. How many of us pay for auto insurance and never once file a claim? Do you feel that that money has been wasted, or that you have been robbed by the insurance company? NO you don't, and you don't ask for a refund either. Why? Because in this crazy world we live in you NEED auto insurance, and even if it wasn't required to register your car at the DMV, you would be stupid not to purchase it to protect yourself financially. Don't think about how much money the insurance company makes, because they make TONS. Just think about the peace of mind that perhaps now, again, PFC will be a secure place for you and your bros to train. Nobody will blame you for being jealous of this setup. Nobody will force you to pay, but rest assured if you don't... then you will really feel what PC is like right now and the top 1% will come take your **..guaranteed, if only to make a point. Just remember as I always said, these guys are not your friends... you are literally paying them insurance to let you practice on PFC without fear of losing your playing field so that one day you can beat the snot out of them and take their **. Yeah, new eden lol.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 954	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:35:00 - [3] - Quote john smitharooni wrote: The Black Art wrote: Cubs Secretary wrote: the Insurance policy is what guarantees your priviledge to remain As in, you'll remove them if they don't pay? That's extortion, homie. You didn't own the land and give it up, there's no reason to be charging rent. That's it in a nutshell. It's really that simple. BURN PFC TO THE GROUND....it's a sham and a welfare state. If your noob corp needs practice, q sync and play FW or attack somebody in PC. PFC has been a failure and will continue to be so, except to the bill collectors. Definition of "extort" to wrest or wring (money, information, etc.) from a person by violence, intimidation, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like. If ERA, or any other corp with the ability to do so, attacked your district and took it by force, that too could be defined as "extortion". In the end the current PFC landowners have 3 choices: Pay for insurance and assume protection from the top players currently in the game, a virtually unbeatable team on any given Sunday. Continue PC practice and hope to one day rise to power. Don't pay, and lock the district... waiting for CCP to fix the problem sometime soonTM.. or for someone to snipe your district timer and take your land. Don't pay, keep the district unlocked and lose it.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. 965	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:17:00 - [4] - Quote **** yeah... Roleplay dem hoes.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 974	Posted - 2014.02.10 13:54:00 - [5] - Quote GG Cyrax and Death Firm
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 992	Posted - 2014.02.11 18:51:00 - [6] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: bigolenuts wrote: MoonEagle A wrote: I find it funny how we didn't get attacked by a "big boy" corp until we refused to pay. All part of the ISK sink that Kain has put together. Runnign his extortion scam until people tire of it. These kids agree to it because he is a CPM and they think they will get some credibility by listening. I mean no disrespect here please do not take this out of context. I am certainly no kid. At the age of forty three and with a job that deals with billion dollar construction projects "IRL" I fully understand the smart business move this is by Kain. Absolutely brilliant. Also benefitting the corps that want to train in the spectrum of competition at a higher level, without losing that in the blink of an eye. Business is business, I could give a flying fck on a rolling doughnut about gaining credibility with Kain because he is a CPM. His title can't give me AUR, SP, anything really of any physical asset, except security on my training grounds. He is the one gaining credibility by providing a service such as a private military contractor would do "IRL". It is him that stands to gain the most by upping his credibility by living up to the contract and providing the best service possible. If you view this from a Marxist point of view, it could be considered a small Genocidal exiling of those who won't pay. From a Democratic viewpoint, it's smart business. People don't like lawyers, I don't like mine, but when I really need legal representation he's my best friend. Then you should know better with all the "real life" experience. I am actually disappointed to be quite honest. Let me ask you this; lets say you have a big construction project coming up, and right as you are set to begin, some guy comes up and says, "hey, if you want to build here you must pay me X amount each week, or will burn you down each night"....what do you do? Easy, call in an orbital! Dafuq are you on about nuts, comparing real life to video games... silly ********.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 992	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:03:00 - [7] - Quote TLDR Meh, its not that big of a deal. ______ I see where you all are coming with the extortion bit. Its a sticky situation, most of us who post here are setup in corps and good to go, we have isk, we have our teams, some good some bad, but we don't really have to worry. Everything is locked up anyway, the only fights are on PFC right now for the most part. But you gotta put yourself in the new player, new corp, small corp shoes. What can they do right now... A lot of the playerbase probably couldn't care less about PC, many probably don't know about it, heck I meet new guys all the time who don't even know other players on the team cant hear them talk when they are in squad voice, lol. If these newer/smaller guys care enough about PC, let them pay to play. Whats the worst that could happen? The richest players currently in the game get a little richer? Us outsiders will never know what the money goes towards, or where it ends up if it isn't used "policing" PFC. Apparently the people who ARE paying have a transparent contract with Kane/NF and I hope for their sakes that they do know all the fine details of how this whole scheme is working. There is nothing we can do about it.... besides attack Kane, ERA, NF, and all of their beasts. and of course, gripe on the forums. Its an interesting dynamic of this game... Cant blame anyone for being jelly they didn't think about it, and that's probably where most of these negative sentiments are coming. ** the new player and ** off letting my enemies get richer.. I get it. Right now, personally, if this helps bring new players in and keep players playing.. I'm all for it. Let them amass a little more wealth for now.. changes will come eventually, they always do.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 994	Posted - 2014.02.11 19:08:00 - [8] - Quote **** man, I cant even shoot straight how am I supposed to understand "meta" lol.