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Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:38:00 - [1] - Quote Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 477	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:39:00 - [2] - Quote Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC. AR_Crutchers will have an hard time Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 801	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:40:00 - [3] - Quote Make sure to plant 2 remotes instead of 1 kids. *Assassination is my thing.*
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1812	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:42:00 - [4] - Quote Not making a call until it's all out, but GÇª I know it looks tough KRRROOOOOOM
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 658	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:43:00 - [5] - Quote To get that much eHP, you must stack complex armor plates, which have a somewhat large movement penalty. Add that on top of their already slow speed, and you have a heavily armored snail. Everybody will be able to run laps around them.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 685	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:44:00 - [6] - Quote Niche weapons? Forget it. Heavies are obviously being balanced around current Rifle DPS and Core Grenades, which was a really bad move by CCP. Carry remotes if you don't use Rifles, or be prepared to auto-lose.
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:47:00 - [7] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Niche weapons? Forget it. Heavies are obviously being balanced around current Rifle DPS and Core Grenades, which was a really bad move by CCP. Carry remotes if you don't use Rifles, or be prepared to auto-lose. Especially when they're nerfing all the rifles which makes Heavies even more powerful and resilient.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4457	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:48:00 - [8] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible. Going 1 on 1 vs a good heavy is suicide as it is right now XD So either Sneak attack, or go with a squad. That is after all the prupose of heavies.... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2893	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:49:00 - [9] - Quote Not if you're also a heavy. Shield Recommendations
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1507	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:51:00 - [10] - Quote seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4459	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:54:00 - [11] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. Exactly: New heavy Sentinel bonuses merely nullify Proficiency skills to get an extra 10% TTK frame. At good range,a sneak attack or group effort will make short of one of these behemoths. Or you can be lame like me and run a Heavy yourself with a Shotgun XD AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1585	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:54:00 - [12] - Quote Worst-case scenario (you're using, say, a Combat Rifle against a maxxed Amarr fattie), Sentinels can have up to 15% more EHP than they have currently. That's a sizable chunk, but it's not as much as when CCP bumped total Heavy HP up by 20% a patch ago. (Shield and armor went from 400 to 480.) People didn't seem to think that made much of a difference at all, and there was zero QQ on the forums. Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. But I guess we'll see... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:54:00 - [13] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: To get that much eHP, you must stack complex armor plates, which have a somewhat large movement penalty. Add that on top of their already slow speed, and you have a heavily armored snail. Everybody will be able to run laps around them. ^This. Heavies only shine when in the company of a Logi. A lone heavy has no way of resupplying himself is slow as molasses in winter and extremely vulnerable in anything but a cityscape(ie hallways). Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4459	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:57:00 - [14] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. .. I doubt it, im pretty sure 1.8 will bring a lot of diversity to the game: Scouts + cloaks are equally if not MORE tempting thatn Sentinels Commandos are a whole new world of Defensive / offensive combos Assaults will get bonuses that let them abuse certain bonuses + RoF Some logis will be a real force to be reckoned with in 1.8 ,specially the Active Radar gallente Logi and the Zerg swarmer Amarr logi... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 661	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:58:00 - [15] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: To get that much eHP, you must stack complex armor plates, which have a somewhat large movement penalty. Add that on top of their already slow speed, and you have a heavily armored snail. Everybody will be able to run laps around them. Speed differential is easily negated by the sentinel either just defending an area or using a lav. In an actual fight speed may give a little edge, but not enough to compensate how beastly these suits will be since they are essentially getting a boost to tank and weapons are getting nerfs to damage. You will need your own sentinel (or maybe commando) and group fire to deal with heavies come 1.8. Especially if they have one of the what will be few logis left supporting them. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:59:00 - [16] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Worst-case scenario (you're using, say, a Combat Rifle against a maxxed Amarr fattie), Sentinels can have up to 15% more EHP than they have currently. That's a sizable chunk, but it's not as much as when CCP bumped total Heavy HP up by 20% a patch ago. (Shield and armor went from 400 to 480.) People didn't seem to think that made much of a difference at all, and there was zero QQ on the forums. Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. But I guess we'll see... Of course that 15% resistance only applies to the armor and not the shield which is getting reduced in 1.8, Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 209	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:00:00 - [17] - Quote I really hope fatties dont become an fotm... I prided myself in being a dedicated heavy with hmg and forge and i dont want these copycats all over
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:01:00 - [18] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. You're not taking into account the nerfs to rifles in 1.8, making TTK longer to kill a heavy. And I'm pretty sure you're not bringing TTK down 3 seconds, if not at all, you can only be increasing it, since the amount of health is increased. Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 661	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:01:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. .. I doubt it, im pretty sure 1.8 will bring a lot of diversity to the game: Scouts + cloaks are equally if not MORE tempting thatn Sentinels Commandos are a whole new world of Defensive / offensive combos Assaults will get bonuses that let them abuse certain bonuses + RoF Some logis will be a real force to be reckoned with in 1.8 ,specially the Active Radar gallente Logi and the Zerg swarmer Amarr logi... How are logi's going to be a force to be reckoned with when the logi racial bonus will only bring one piece of equipment back to where they currently are (unless something changes)? Overall the actual logis are getting royally screwed in the next patch (unless something changes from what was posted from singularity) Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1509	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:01:00 - [20] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. Exactly: New heavy Sentinel bonuses merely nullify Proficiency skills to get an extra 10% TTK frame. At good range,a sneak attack or group effort will make short of one of these behemoths. Or you can be lame like me and run a Heavy yourself with a Shotgun XD (A little correction, Proficiency 5 gives you an extra 15% ;) ) you bastard you shotgunned me yesterday! ....lolol Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 714	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:05:00 - [21] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Worst-case scenario (you're using, say, a Combat Rifle against a maxxed Amarr fattie), Sentinels can have up to 15% more EHP than they have currently. That's a sizable chunk, but it's not as much as when CCP bumped total Heavy HP up by 20% a patch ago. (Shield and armor went from 400 to 480.) People didn't seem to think that made much of a difference at all, and there was zero QQ on the forums. Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. But I guess we'll see... I want to see lots of wannabe fatties and skinnies. Mmmmmmm. Delicious kills. These heavies will try to continue to solo and get mopped while the scouts will quickly equate to DUST in the wind as they assume that invisible=invincible. This is the one time where FOTM users will actually do WORSE and have to resort to using something that fits there play style. Unfortunately for them there play style IS FOTM so they are just gonna suffer Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1587	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:06:00 - [22] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Of course that 15% resistance only applies to the armor and not the shield which is getting reduced in 1.8, I totally overlooked that. So it isn't even a 15% EHP bump. I can't be considered an impartial opinion... I've specialized in Heavies for all of DUST... but I'm really not seeing anything overpowered here. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:07:00 - [23] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Worst-case scenario (you're using, say, a Combat Rifle against a maxxed Amarr fattie), Sentinels can have up to 15% more EHP than they have currently. That's a sizable chunk, but it's not as much as when CCP bumped total Heavy HP up by 20% a patch ago. (Shield and armor went from 400 to 480.) People didn't seem to think that made much of a difference at all, and there was zero QQ on the forums. Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. But I guess we'll see... I want to see lots of wannabe fatties and skinnies. Mmmmmmm. Delicious kills. These heavies will try to continue to solo and get mopped while the scouts will quickly equate to DUST in the wind as they assume that invisible=invincible. This is the one time where FOTM users will actually do WORSE and have to resort to using something that fits there play style. Unfortunately for them there play style IS FOTM so they are just gonna suffer Lol true except Invisible =/ invincible because it only allows you to move around "slightly" unseen, unless your stationary and then you're completely invisible, but you can't fire anything (which is fine) without uncloaking. Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2075	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:08:00 - [24] - Quote Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:15:00 - [25] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW You've GOT to be joking... heavies are stupid slow. Killing a heavy is as easy as out ranging and out flanking them. If they take cover just toss a couple core locus at them and watch em try to waddle out of the blast radius and snag an easy +50. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4461	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:15:00 - [26] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. .. I doubt it, im pretty sure 1.8 will bring a lot of diversity to the game: Scouts + cloaks are equally if not MORE tempting thatn Sentinels Commandos are a whole new world of Defensive / offensive combos Assaults will get bonuses that let them abuse certain bonuses + RoF Some logis will be a real force to be reckoned with in 1.8 ,specially the Active Radar gallente Logi and the Zerg swarmer Amarr logi... How are logi's going to be a force to be reckoned with when the logi racial bonus will only bring one piece of equipment back to where they currently are (unless something changes)? Overall the actual logis are getting royally screwed in the next patch (unless something changes from what was posted from singularity) Example: Amarr LOGI AK.0 GÖª With PROTO Uplinks, Basic Nanohives , ADV A.Scanner GÖª 2 CX damage mods, 1 cx shield extender, 1cx Armor rep, 3 Enhanced or Basic Armor plates GÖª Weapon and Sidearm of choosing. Here, you have a 750+ EHP Logi with Good enough Damage Output, Ammo for him and his friends, scanning capabilities and every time he respawns he drops 2 Uplinks that provide 2 second respawns for his team. That means, that EACH TIME you kill an enemy, he will be back, In 2 or less seconds...Sounds UP? I dont think so. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1587	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:20:00 - [27] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW You've GOT to be joking... heavies are stupid slow. Killing a heavy is as easy as out ranging and out flanking them. If they take cover just toss a couple core locus at them and watch em try to waddle out of the blast radius and snag an easy +50. I'm pretty sure Reg is talking about fighting toe to toe using nothing but juking and gun game. Which, while a respectable display of skill, isn't the advisable way to kill a fattie... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2314	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:28:00 - [28] - Quote The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!! Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:31:00 - [29] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW You've GOT to be joking... heavies are stupid slow. Killing a heavy is as easy as out ranging and out flanking them. If they take cover just toss a couple core locus at them and watch em try to waddle out of the blast radius and snag an easy +50. I'm pretty sure Reg is talking about fighting toe to toe using nothing but juking and gun game. Which, while a respectable display of skill, isn't the advisable way to kill a fattie... If anyone try to man fight a HMG heavy in his optimal then they deserve every bit of lead they get. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 1880	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:33:00 - [30] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. right...and you can kill a sica with a std swarm launcher, too. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 466	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:35:00 - [31] - Quote At least the forge gun will have a use again. Who wants some?
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 904	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:49:00 - [32] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. The issue is non rifle weapons Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1429	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:24:00 - [33] - Quote I am most likely going back to full time heavy in 1.8 as I was in close beta. I am not doing this due to 1.8, I have been slowly making my way back and I currently use a Dren HMG combo and I am finding what I used to love. In closed beta I could not get enough of being a heavy, sure we were slow but we could spit out damage and no one dared to solo us So Yes I am going to be a menace once more and I cant wait to see what new weapons the heavy will get to punish everyone. A heavy before 1.8
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:35:00 - [34] - Quote calvin b wrote: I am most likely going back to full time heavy in 1.8 as I was in close beta. I am not doing this due to 1.8, I have been slowly making my way back and I currently use a Dren HMG combo and I am finding what I used to love. In closed beta I could not get enough of being a heavy, sure we were slow but we could spit out damage and no one dared to solo us So Yes I am going to be a menace once more and I cant wait to see what new weapons the heavy will get to punish everyone. Welcome back to the fold Brother :3 Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 443	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:37:00 - [35] - Quote Jastad wrote: Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC. AR_Crutchers will have an hard time "AR_Crutchers" Do Assault Rifles even exist anymore? AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422, + double the range. Balanced.
WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 86	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:39:00 - [36] - Quote No other dropsuit should be able to kill a heavy in a 1v1 unless you catch the heavy off guard or from behind. In a close quarters fight the heavy only worries about another heavy unless he sucks as a heavy. Swarm SP Refund Please!!!!!!! "LONG LIVE DARK LEGION"
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:39:00 - [37] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: Jastad wrote: Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC. AR_Crutchers will have an hard time "AR_Crutchers" Do Assault Rifles even exist anymore? Not really anymore, but after 1.8 they'll probably be revitalized. Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:45:00 - [38] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: zibathy numbertwo wrote: Jastad wrote: Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC. AR_Crutchers will have an hard time "AR_Crutchers" Do Assault Rifles even exist anymore? Not really anymore, but after 1.8 they'll probably be revitalized. Excellent... me and my HMG have much to discuss with the AR after the atrocity that was uprising 1.0-1.7 Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Slen Kaleth BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 95	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:49:00 - [39] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Of course that 15% resistance only applies to the armor and not the shield which is getting reduced in 1.8, I totally overlooked that. So it isn't even a 15% EHP bump. I can't be considered an impartial opinion... I've specialized in Heavies for all of DUST... but I'm really not seeing anything overpowered here. Actually, depending on the suit it will applie to armor or shield, both the 10% and 15%.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution 219	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:52:00 - [40] - Quote FOTM nyyyyyyainnnnnnn sannnnnnnnn sumo in lav scanner next to min logis golden Bukkake rep tools Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1588	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:53:00 - [41] - Quote Slen Kaleth wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Of course that 15% resistance only applies to the armor and not the shield which is getting reduced in 1.8, I totally overlooked that. So it isn't even a 15% EHP bump. I can't be considered an impartial opinion... I've specialized in Heavies for all of DUST... but I'm really not seeing anything overpowered here. Actually, depending on the suit it will applie to armor or shield, both the 10% and 15%. That's correct. Both Slen and I were specifically referring to the Amarr projectile bonus, though. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4430	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:53:00 - [42] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Make sure to plant 2 remotes instead of 1 kids. Still hate this. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2172	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:55:00 - [43] - Quote Heavies=tanks? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1588	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:58:00 - [44] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Heavies=tanks? Even with the new bonuses, I'm not sure Sentinel will be that OP... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2894	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:02:00 - [45] - Quote It will be nice to NOT be instagibbed every game Shield Recommendations
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 715	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:05:00 - [46] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Heavies=tanks? Even with the new bonuses, I'm not sure Sentinel will be that OP... Yea, you could always flux 'em b4 engaging if you are using an armor weapon. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1130	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:32:00 - [47] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible. Lets take it as a sign that all TTK may be better in the coming patch...
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 37	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:10:00 - [48] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Lets take it as a sign that all TTK may be better in the coming patch... Agreed, TTK for all suits is crazy ATM. With the racial bonuses it may become necessary for Assaults to use varied damage types to get around this, so SCR+SCP will make for a bad combo (I know it does already but you get the point). To a Prior poster who said 2 Core Locus nades.... Against locus nades an Amarr heavy will have 1500 EHP = (660 EHP S, 540 EHP Armour) * 1.25 . Requiring 3 Core Locus nades. Thats just the base of the suit, weather it's standard or proto and includes no mods. If it's a tanked out Proto (Damage mods on the highs) he has 2000 EHP, after 3 Core Locus nades to the face he'll be standing with ~200 Armour. I forget what the timer is on a nade but if his logi can avoid getting killed it wouldn't surprise me if his armour reps faster than you can throw them. Ultimately countering a Heavy/Logi combo come's down to, "Always Kill the Logi First." Sorry to any of my logibros/sis but if I'm switching from HMG to Shotgun Scout.... You're target #1.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 880	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:10:00 - [49] - Quote I think they are trying rock paper scissors where scouts will be good at killing heavies and heavies at killing assaults and everyone at killing scouts. So basically scissors break no matter what. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4803	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:13:00 - [50] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. First of all, comparing heavies and tanks is apples and oranges. Tanks are huge, can't hack objectives, can't do a lot of stuff that dropsuits can. They also have a huge DPS compared to handheld weapons. Second, you cannot calculate how long it will take to take down a heavy using just the base DPS. You're forgetting reload, how many bullets in the clip/magazine, and whether the shots hit or not. > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 510	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:19:00 - [51] - Quote heavies were always supposed to be the infantry jugernaut on the battlefield. Heavies trade off movement for armor and hitpoints. I would say for DPS but i no longer feel the HMG or forge guns do significantly more DPS. Forge guns have a really high alpha but i bet a duvol probably has more damage over time than a forge especially with the new increased charge up time.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 478	Posted - 2014.02.08 08:48:00 - [52] - Quote zibathy numbertwo wrote: Jastad wrote: Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC. AR_Crutchers will have an hard time "AR_Crutchers" Do Assault Rifles even exist anymore? you are wrong i didn't mean G-AR ( Gallente ass. rifle.) but all the 4 rifle. and i'm referring to people that only use the power of their crutch to win the engagement People with superb gun game/move game like Reg, Rei shepard can still win VS a heavy with they AR face on. True scout like Boromir,e'venutalatuaora, Cyrus li moodi( hope that i don't spell the name wrong) will win easy Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 589	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:16:00 - [53] - Quote It took 4 shots of my mil shotty to take down a proto sentinel? I was at point blank range. My advantage running 2 basic kins and shotty and REs and LITERALLY running/circle strafing around him gave me the advantage. I swear, heavies are SOOO intimidating up close. You just gotta stay away from the business end of that rifle/shotty/hmg/forge/RR/SCR/everything, and if they see you kill em quickly, and then even quicker then that. MY GOD HEAVIES ARE SCARY UP CLOSE! Psycho boink That was my baseball bouncing off walls with extreme trig to hit you in the face Sandman
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 44	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:11:00 - [54] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: I really hope fatties dont become an fotm... I prided myself in being a dedicated heavy with hmg and forge and i dont want these copycats all over yea same here 'i was a heavy befor they was cool loo
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 44	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:13:00 - [55] - Quote btw guys saber did say heavys with light weapons was being addressed . really hope this means no light weapons
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1143	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:50:00 - [56] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Niche weapons? Forget it. Heavies are obviously being balanced around current Rifle DPS and Core Grenades, which was a really bad move by CCP. Carry remotes if you don't use Rifles, or be prepared to auto-lose. Especially when they're nerfing all the rifles which makes Heavies even more powerful and resilient. This^^^ Yup they're doing it again. To much. shakes his head I was ok with the heavy changes when I thought that they were going to be buffing the AR and niche weapons to match the TTK of the new assault type weapon, but apparently that is not going to happen. facepalm they're taking it to far again. {:)}{3GÇó>
bigbad bro Feral Outcast D.B. 6	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:58:00 - [57] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: I really hope fatties dont become an fotm... I prided myself in being a dedicated heavy with hmg and forge and i dont want these copycats all over to late the new OP in 1.8 and that's heavy's. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Tank are my favorite red dots to kill. KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL............
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 585	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:42:00 - [58] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible. Wait you realize that you aren't supposed to be able to take on a heavy 1v1 right. Now sneaking up on them yes but dogging it out 1v1 style nothing but another heavy should kill him We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 44	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:24:00 - [59] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW You've GOT to be joking... heavies are stupid slow. Killing a heavy is as easy as out ranging and out flanking them. If they take cover just toss a couple core locus at them and watch em try to waddle out of the blast radius and snag an easy +50. u do understand speed heavys kick arss lol proto one is sprint is 7.19 .now im guessn ill be able to get the minny heavy to 8 and THATs going to be fun loll
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 44	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:28:00 - [60] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: FOTM nyyyyyyainnnnnnn sannnnnnnnn sumo in lav scanner next to min logis golden Bukkake rep tools dfuk ? nyain suckit are FOTM lol
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 95	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:39:00 - [61] - Quote Do you expect to kill a heavy by yourself? lol 2000 hp? where did you get that number from? in order to get anywhere close to that it requires stacking many complex armor plates without an armor repair or any other type of module which represents a high speed reduction. Also heavies have a very limited range. Isn't that enough disadvantage. Also forgot NO equipment slot. So please stop crying! All I read on this forums is people complaining...... nerf this, buff that....and of course all the respect threads....
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3938	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:26:00 - [62] - Quote It seems like everything will have their own strengths. Sentinels will have tons of eHP Assaults will have the highest DPS Scouts will be ******* invisible I am your scan error.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 581	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:28:00 - [63] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: btw guys saber did say heavys with light weapons was being addressed . really hope this means no light weapons Sooo restrict heavies to two heavy weapons so fat suits get OMGWTFBBQPWNED BY ANYTHING FARTHER THEN 50m? Sure, if heavies get an automatic 50% resistance to light weapons and 75% resistance to sidearms. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 47	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:09:00 - [64] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: btw guys saber did say heavys with light weapons was being addressed . really hope this means no light weapons Sooo restrict heavies to two heavy weapons so fat suits get OMGWTFBBQPWNED BY ANYTHING FARTHER THEN (edit 20m)? Sure, if heavies get an automatic 50% resistance to light weapons and 75% resistance to sidearms. run the commando .lol minny commando with dual arss drivers and kincats ?????? op anyone haha
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 581	Posted - 2014.02.08 17:56:00 - [65] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: btw guys saber did say heavys with light weapons was being addressed . really hope this means no light weapons Sooo restrict heavies to two heavy weapons so fat suits get OMGWTFBBQPWNED BY ANYTHING FARTHER THEN (edit 20m)? Sure, if heavies get an automatic 50% resistance to light weapons and 75% resistance to sidearms. run the commando .lol minny commando with dual arss drivers and kincats ?????? op anyone haha this isn't about commandos which are only heavy in shape. this is about restricting real heavies to TWO F*CKING WEAPONS. You wanna make heavies use heavy weapons give full heavy weapon parity. Until then dont blame em for trying to adapt(and succeeding considering the amount of QQ on this thread) Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 25	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:18:00 - [66] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Bethhy wrote: Lets take it as a sign that all TTK may be better in the coming patch... Agreed, TTK for all suits is crazy ATM. With the racial bonuses it may become necessary for Assaults to use varied damage types to get around this, so SCR+SCP will make for a bad combo (I know it does already but you get the point). To a Prior poster who said 2 Core Locus nades.... Against locus nades an Amarr heavy will have 1500 EHP = (660 EHP S, 540 EHP Armour) * 1.25 . Requiring 3 Core Locus nades. Thats just the base of the suit, weather it's standard or proto and includes no mods. If it's a tanked out Proto (Damage mods on the highs) he has 2000 EHP, after 3 Core Locus nades to the face he'll be standing with ~200 Armour. I forget what the timer is on a nade but if his logi can avoid getting killed it wouldn't surprise me if his armour reps faster than you can throw them. Ultimately countering a Heavy/Logi combo come's down to, "Always Kill the Logi First." Sorry to any of my logibros/sis but if I'm switching from HMG to Shotgun Scout.... You're target #1. Caldari, Amarr, Gallente, or Minmatar (for scouts)? (choose the minja =P) Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 154	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:24:00 - [67] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible. Coo-coo Coo-coo
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 364	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:26:00 - [68] - Quote I guess if PC will come to lofe after 1.8 again we can expect exactly 4 things: -Heavys -Tanks -Dropships -Scouts trying to make a profit out of the heavy heavy(lol) population and getting hammered away turns crystalball off another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 3126	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:32:00 - [69] - Quote Just keep making threads on it, get folks on your bandwagon and CCP will nerf it. Trust me, it works. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1346	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:39:00 - [70] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Just keep making threads on it, get folks on your bandwagon and CCP will nerf it. Trust me, it works. Someone's butthurt. But in all seriousness commandos + high alpha weapons like the sniper, plasma cannon, etc will make taking care of sentinels little more than anyone else. Not to mention that the matari assault will almost double the clip size of mass drivers. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 92	Posted - 2014.02.08 21:13:00 - [71] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible. thats the piont to bring them back to the dificulty back in chromosome (???) yes i scream KA-ME-HA-MEHAAAAAA when i forge muthafuckas the Turtle Hermit: Professional Heavy

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