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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:35:00 -
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At least the forge gun will have a use again.
Who wants some?
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
904
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Posted - 2014.02.08 02:49:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:seriously?
difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max.
since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second.
2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds
so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds.
of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds.
so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves.
The issue is non rifle weapons
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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
1429
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:24:00 -
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I am most likely going back to full time heavy in 1.8 as I was in close beta. I am not doing this due to 1.8, I have been slowly making my way back and I currently use a Dren HMG combo and I am finding what I used to love. In closed beta I could not get enough of being a heavy, sure we were slow but we could spit out damage and no one dared to solo us So Yes I am going to be a menace once more and I cant wait to see what new weapons the heavy will get to punish everyone.
A heavy before 1.8
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
573
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:35:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I am most likely going back to full time heavy in 1.8 as I was in close beta. I am not doing this due to 1.8, I have been slowly making my way back and I currently use a Dren HMG combo and I am finding what I used to love. In closed beta I could not get enough of being a heavy, sure we were slow but we could spit out damage and no one dared to solo us So Yes I am going to be a menace once more and I cant wait to see what new weapons the heavy will get to punish everyone.
Welcome back to the fold Brother :3
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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zibathy numbertwo
Nox Aeterna Security
443
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:37:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC.
AR_Crutchers will have an hard time
"AR_Crutchers"
Do Assault Rifles even exist anymore?
AR
Dmg: 34,
RoF: 750 RPM,
DPS: 425,
RR
Dmg: 55,
RoF: 461 RPM,
DPS: 422,
+ double the range.
Balanced.
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WUT ANG
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
86
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:39:00 -
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No other dropsuit should be able to kill a heavy in a 1v1 unless you catch the heavy off guard or from behind. In a close quarters fight the heavy only worries about another heavy unless he sucks as a heavy.
Swarm SP Refund Please!!!!!!!
"LONG LIVE DARK LEGION"
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Bormir1r
WarRavens
League of Infamy
20
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:39:00 -
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zibathy numbertwo wrote:Jastad wrote:Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC.
AR_Crutchers will have an hard time "AR_Crutchers" Do Assault Rifles even exist anymore?
Not really anymore, but after 1.8 they'll probably be revitalized.
Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
573
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:45:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:zibathy numbertwo wrote:Jastad wrote:Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC.
AR_Crutchers will have an hard time "AR_Crutchers" Do Assault Rifles even exist anymore? Not really anymore, but after 1.8 they'll probably be revitalized.
Excellent... me and my HMG have much to discuss with the AR after the atrocity that was uprising 1.0-1.7
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
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Slen Kaleth
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
95
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:49:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Of course that 15% resistance only applies to the armor and not the shield which is getting reduced in 1.8, I totally overlooked that. So it isn't even a 15% EHP bump. I can't be considered an impartial opinion... I've specialized in Heavies for all of DUST... but I'm really not seeing anything overpowered here.
Actually, depending on the suit it will applie to armor or shield, both the 10% and 15%. |
Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
219
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:52:00 -
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FOTM nyyyyyyainnnnnnn sannnnnnnnn sumo in lav scanner next to min logis golden Bukkake rep tools
Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5
why so serious zatara
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1588
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:53:00 -
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Slen Kaleth wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Of course that 15% resistance only applies to the armor and not the shield which is getting reduced in 1.8, I totally overlooked that. So it isn't even a 15% EHP bump. I can't be considered an impartial opinion... I've specialized in Heavies for all of DUST... but I'm really not seeing anything overpowered here. Actually, depending on the suit it will applie to armor or shield, both the 10% and 15%.
That's correct. Both Slen and I were specifically referring to the Amarr projectile bonus, though.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
4430
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:53:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Make sure to plant 2 remotes instead of 1 kids.
Still hate this.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2172
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:55:00 -
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Heavies=tanks?
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1588
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Posted - 2014.02.08 03:58:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Heavies=tanks?
Even with the new bonuses, I'm not sure Sentinel will be that OP...
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
2894
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Posted - 2014.02.08 04:02:00 -
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It will be nice to NOT be instagibbed every game
Shield Recommendations
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
715
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Posted - 2014.02.08 04:05:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Heavies=tanks? Even with the new bonuses, I'm not sure Sentinel will be that OP...
Yea, you could always flux 'em b4 engaging if you are using an armor weapon.
Scout Tactician
Dance puppets, DANCE!
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1130
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Posted - 2014.02.08 04:32:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible.
Lets take it as a sign that all TTK may be better in the coming patch... |
Bayeth Mal
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
37
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:10:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:
Lets take it as a sign that all TTK may be better in the coming patch...
Agreed, TTK for all suits is crazy ATM.
With the racial bonuses it may become necessary for Assaults to use varied damage types to get around this, so SCR+SCP will make for a bad combo (I know it does already but you get the point).
To a Prior poster who said 2 Core Locus nades.... Against locus nades an Amarr heavy will have 1500 EHP = (660 EHP S, 540 EHP Armour) * 1.25 . Requiring 3 Core Locus nades. Thats just the base of the suit, weather it's standard or proto and includes no mods.
If it's a tanked out Proto (Damage mods on the highs) he has 2000 EHP, after 3 Core Locus nades to the face he'll be standing with ~200 Armour. I forget what the timer is on a nade but if his logi can avoid getting killed it wouldn't surprise me if his armour reps faster than you can throw them.
Ultimately countering a Heavy/Logi combo come's down to, "Always Kill the Logi First."
Sorry to any of my logibros/sis but if I'm switching from HMG to Shotgun Scout.... You're target #1.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
880
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:10:00 -
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I think they are trying rock paper scissors where scouts will be good at killing heavies and heavies at killing assaults and everyone at killing scouts. So basically scissors break no matter what.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
4803
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:13:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:seriously?
difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max.
since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second.
First of all, comparing heavies and tanks is apples and oranges. Tanks are huge, can't hack objectives, can't do a lot of stuff that dropsuits can. They also have a huge DPS compared to handheld weapons.
Second, you cannot calculate how long it will take to take down a heavy using just the base DPS. You're forgetting reload, how many bullets in the clip/magazine, and whether the shots hit or not.
> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥
-Oscar Wilde
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Thurak1
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
510
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Posted - 2014.02.08 05:19:00 -
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heavies were always supposed to be the infantry jugernaut on the battlefield. Heavies trade off movement for armor and hitpoints. I would say for DPS but i no longer feel the HMG or forge guns do significantly more DPS. Forge guns have a really high alpha but i bet a duvol probably has more damage over time than a forge especially with the new increased charge up time. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
478
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:48:00 -
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zibathy numbertwo wrote:Jastad wrote:Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC.
AR_Crutchers will have an hard time "AR_Crutchers" Do Assault Rifles even exist anymore?
you are wrong i didn't mean G-AR ( Gallente ass. rifle.) but all the 4 rifle. and i'm referring to people that only use the power of their crutch to win the engagement
People with superb gun game/move game like Reg, Rei shepard can still win VS a heavy with they AR face on.
True scout like Boromir,e'venutalatuaora, Cyrus li moodi( hope that i don't spell the name wrong) will win easy
Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Reapers' Assailant
589
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Posted - 2014.02.08 11:16:00 -
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It took 4 shots of my mil shotty to take down a proto sentinel? I was at point blank range. My advantage running 2 basic kins and shotty and REs and LITERALLY running/circle strafing around him gave me the advantage. I swear, heavies are SOOO intimidating up close. You just gotta stay away from the business end of that rifle/shotty/hmg/forge/RR/SCR/everything, and if they see you kill em quickly, and then even quicker then that. MY GOD HEAVIES ARE SCARY UP CLOSE!
Psycho
boink That was my baseball bouncing off walls with extreme trig to hit you in the face
Sandman
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
44
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Posted - 2014.02.08 12:11:00 -
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote:I really hope fatties dont become an fotm... I prided myself in being a dedicated heavy with hmg and forge and i dont want these copycats all over
yea same here 'i was a heavy befor they was cool loo |
VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
44
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Posted - 2014.02.08 12:13:00 -
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btw guys saber did say heavys with light weapons was being addressed . really hope this means no light weapons |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
1143
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Posted - 2014.02.08 12:50:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Niche weapons? Forget it. Heavies are obviously being balanced around current Rifle DPS and Core Grenades, which was a really bad move by CCP. Carry remotes if you don't use Rifles, or be prepared to auto-lose. Especially when they're nerfing all the rifles which makes Heavies even more powerful and resilient.
This^^^
Yup they're doing it again. To much. *shakes his head* I was ok with the heavy changes when I thought that they were going to be buffing the AR and niche weapons to match the TTK of the new assault type weapon, but apparently that is not going to happen. *facepalm* they're taking it to far again.
{:)}{3GÇó>
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bigbad bro
Feral Outcast D.B.
6
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Posted - 2014.02.08 12:58:00 -
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote:I really hope fatties dont become an fotm... I prided myself in being a dedicated heavy with hmg and forge and i dont want these copycats all over
to late the new OP in 1.8 and that's heavy's. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tank are my favorite red dots to kill. KILL, KILL, KILL, KILL............
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
585
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:42:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible.
Wait you realize that you aren't supposed to be able to take on a heavy 1v1 right. Now sneaking up on them yes but dogging it out 1v1 style nothing but another heavy should kill him
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
44
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:24:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard...
In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual...
TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW You've GOT to be joking... heavies are stupid slow. Killing a heavy is as easy as out ranging and out flanking them. If they take cover just toss a couple core locus at them and watch em try to waddle out of the blast radius and snag an easy +50.
u do understand speed heavys kick arss lol proto one is sprint is 7.19 .now im guessn ill be able to get the minny heavy to 8 and THATs going to be fun loll |
VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
44
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Posted - 2014.02.08 15:28:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:FOTM nyyyyyyainnnnnnn sannnnnnnnn sumo in lav scanner next to min logis golden Bukkake rep tools
dfuk ? nyain suckit are FOTM lol |
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