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Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:38:00 - [1] - Quote Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 477	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:39:00 - [2] - Quote Good scout like you will kill heavy in CQC. AR_Crutchers will have an hard time Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 801	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:40:00 - [3] - Quote Make sure to plant 2 remotes instead of 1 kids. *Assassination is my thing.*
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1812	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:42:00 - [4] - Quote Not making a call until it's all out, but GÇª I know it looks tough KRRROOOOOOM
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 658	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:43:00 - [5] - Quote To get that much eHP, you must stack complex armor plates, which have a somewhat large movement penalty. Add that on top of their already slow speed, and you have a heavily armored snail. Everybody will be able to run laps around them.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 685	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:44:00 - [6] - Quote Niche weapons? Forget it. Heavies are obviously being balanced around current Rifle DPS and Core Grenades, which was a really bad move by CCP. Carry remotes if you don't use Rifles, or be prepared to auto-lose.
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:47:00 - [7] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Niche weapons? Forget it. Heavies are obviously being balanced around current Rifle DPS and Core Grenades, which was a really bad move by CCP. Carry remotes if you don't use Rifles, or be prepared to auto-lose. Especially when they're nerfing all the rifles which makes Heavies even more powerful and resilient.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4457	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:48:00 - [8] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Is it even possible by a single player? With close to 2000 HP, it it's almost the equivalent to a quarter of a tank. Are they getting any movement speed nerfs? Because honestly, I don't even know if it's going to be possible to go 1v1 on heavy in 1.8. Even when you consider the bonuses they'll be getting, reductions to weapon damage almost seems to make them invincible. Going 1 on 1 vs a good heavy is suicide as it is right now XD So either Sneak attack, or go with a squad. That is after all the prupose of heavies.... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2893	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:49:00 - [9] - Quote Not if you're also a heavy. Shield Recommendations
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1507	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:51:00 - [10] - Quote seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4459	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:54:00 - [11] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. Exactly: New heavy Sentinel bonuses merely nullify Proficiency skills to get an extra 10% TTK frame. At good range,a sneak attack or group effort will make short of one of these behemoths. Or you can be lame like me and run a Heavy yourself with a Shotgun XD AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1585	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:54:00 - [12] - Quote Worst-case scenario (you're using, say, a Combat Rifle against a maxxed Amarr fattie), Sentinels can have up to 15% more EHP than they have currently. That's a sizable chunk, but it's not as much as when CCP bumped total Heavy HP up by 20% a patch ago. (Shield and armor went from 400 to 480.) People didn't seem to think that made much of a difference at all, and there was zero QQ on the forums. Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. But I guess we'll see... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:54:00 - [13] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: To get that much eHP, you must stack complex armor plates, which have a somewhat large movement penalty. Add that on top of their already slow speed, and you have a heavily armored snail. Everybody will be able to run laps around them. ^This. Heavies only shine when in the company of a Logi. A lone heavy has no way of resupplying himself is slow as molasses in winter and extremely vulnerable in anything but a cityscape(ie hallways). Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4459	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:57:00 - [14] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. .. I doubt it, im pretty sure 1.8 will bring a lot of diversity to the game: Scouts + cloaks are equally if not MORE tempting thatn Sentinels Commandos are a whole new world of Defensive / offensive combos Assaults will get bonuses that let them abuse certain bonuses + RoF Some logis will be a real force to be reckoned with in 1.8 ,specially the Active Radar gallente Logi and the Zerg swarmer Amarr logi... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 661	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:58:00 - [15] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: To get that much eHP, you must stack complex armor plates, which have a somewhat large movement penalty. Add that on top of their already slow speed, and you have a heavily armored snail. Everybody will be able to run laps around them. Speed differential is easily negated by the sentinel either just defending an area or using a lav. In an actual fight speed may give a little edge, but not enough to compensate how beastly these suits will be since they are essentially getting a boost to tank and weapons are getting nerfs to damage. You will need your own sentinel (or maybe commando) and group fire to deal with heavies come 1.8. Especially if they have one of the what will be few logis left supporting them. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:59:00 - [16] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Worst-case scenario (you're using, say, a Combat Rifle against a maxxed Amarr fattie), Sentinels can have up to 15% more EHP than they have currently. That's a sizable chunk, but it's not as much as when CCP bumped total Heavy HP up by 20% a patch ago. (Shield and armor went from 400 to 480.) People didn't seem to think that made much of a difference at all, and there was zero QQ on the forums. Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. But I guess we'll see... Of course that 15% resistance only applies to the armor and not the shield which is getting reduced in 1.8, Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 209	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:00:00 - [17] - Quote I really hope fatties dont become an fotm... I prided myself in being a dedicated heavy with hmg and forge and i dont want these copycats all over
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:01:00 - [18] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. You're not taking into account the nerfs to rifles in 1.8, making TTK longer to kill a heavy. And I'm pretty sure you're not bringing TTK down 3 seconds, if not at all, you can only be increasing it, since the amount of health is increased. Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 661	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:01:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. .. I doubt it, im pretty sure 1.8 will bring a lot of diversity to the game: Scouts + cloaks are equally if not MORE tempting thatn Sentinels Commandos are a whole new world of Defensive / offensive combos Assaults will get bonuses that let them abuse certain bonuses + RoF Some logis will be a real force to be reckoned with in 1.8 ,specially the Active Radar gallente Logi and the Zerg swarmer Amarr logi... How are logi's going to be a force to be reckoned with when the logi racial bonus will only bring one piece of equipment back to where they currently are (unless something changes)? Overall the actual logis are getting royally screwed in the next patch (unless something changes from what was posted from singularity) Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1509	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:01:00 - [20] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. Exactly: New heavy Sentinel bonuses merely nullify Proficiency skills to get an extra 10% TTK frame. At good range,a sneak attack or group effort will make short of one of these behemoths. Or you can be lame like me and run a Heavy yourself with a Shotgun XD (A little correction, Proficiency 5 gives you an extra 15% ;) ) you bastard you shotgunned me yesterday! ....lolol Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 714	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:05:00 - [21] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Worst-case scenario (you're using, say, a Combat Rifle against a maxxed Amarr fattie), Sentinels can have up to 15% more EHP than they have currently. That's a sizable chunk, but it's not as much as when CCP bumped total Heavy HP up by 20% a patch ago. (Shield and armor went from 400 to 480.) People didn't seem to think that made much of a difference at all, and there was zero QQ on the forums. Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. But I guess we'll see... I want to see lots of wannabe fatties and skinnies. Mmmmmmm. Delicious kills. These heavies will try to continue to solo and get mopped while the scouts will quickly equate to DUST in the wind as they assume that invisible=invincible. This is the one time where FOTM users will actually do WORSE and have to resort to using something that fits there play style. Unfortunately for them there play style IS FOTM so they are just gonna suffer Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1587	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:06:00 - [22] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Of course that 15% resistance only applies to the armor and not the shield which is getting reduced in 1.8, I totally overlooked that. So it isn't even a 15% EHP bump. I can't be considered an impartial opinion... I've specialized in Heavies for all of DUST... but I'm really not seeing anything overpowered here. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 20	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:07:00 - [23] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Worst-case scenario (you're using, say, a Combat Rifle against a maxxed Amarr fattie), Sentinels can have up to 15% more EHP than they have currently. That's a sizable chunk, but it's not as much as when CCP bumped total Heavy HP up by 20% a patch ago. (Shield and armor went from 400 to 480.) People didn't seem to think that made much of a difference at all, and there was zero QQ on the forums. Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. But I guess we'll see... I want to see lots of wannabe fatties and skinnies. Mmmmmmm. Delicious kills. These heavies will try to continue to solo and get mopped while the scouts will quickly equate to DUST in the wind as they assume that invisible=invincible. This is the one time where FOTM users will actually do WORSE and have to resort to using something that fits there play style. Unfortunately for them there play style IS FOTM so they are just gonna suffer Lol true except Invisible =/ invincible because it only allows you to move around "slightly" unseen, unless your stationary and then you're completely invisible, but you can't fire anything (which is fine) without uncloaking. Minja. We run and hide. And then we kill you.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2075	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:08:00 - [24] - Quote Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:15:00 - [25] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW You've GOT to be joking... heavies are stupid slow. Killing a heavy is as easy as out ranging and out flanking them. If they take cover just toss a couple core locus at them and watch em try to waddle out of the blast radius and snag an easy +50. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4461	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:15:00 - [26] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Could the new Sentinels be FOTM? I dunno. I hope not. I hate seeing impostor fatties in my suits. .. I doubt it, im pretty sure 1.8 will bring a lot of diversity to the game: Scouts + cloaks are equally if not MORE tempting thatn Sentinels Commandos are a whole new world of Defensive / offensive combos Assaults will get bonuses that let them abuse certain bonuses + RoF Some logis will be a real force to be reckoned with in 1.8 ,specially the Active Radar gallente Logi and the Zerg swarmer Amarr logi... How are logi's going to be a force to be reckoned with when the logi racial bonus will only bring one piece of equipment back to where they currently are (unless something changes)? Overall the actual logis are getting royally screwed in the next patch (unless something changes from what was posted from singularity) Example: Amarr LOGI AK.0 GÖª With PROTO Uplinks, Basic Nanohives , ADV A.Scanner GÖª 2 CX damage mods, 1 cx shield extender, 1cx Armor rep, 3 Enhanced or Basic Armor plates GÖª Weapon and Sidearm of choosing. Here, you have a 750+ EHP Logi with Good enough Damage Output, Ammo for him and his friends, scanning capabilities and every time he respawns he drops 2 Uplinks that provide 2 second respawns for his team. That means, that EACH TIME you kill an enemy, he will be back, In 2 or less seconds...Sounds UP? I dont think so. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1587	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:20:00 - [27] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW You've GOT to be joking... heavies are stupid slow. Killing a heavy is as easy as out ranging and out flanking them. If they take cover just toss a couple core locus at them and watch em try to waddle out of the blast radius and snag an easy +50. I'm pretty sure Reg is talking about fighting toe to toe using nothing but juking and gun game. Which, while a respectable display of skill, isn't the advisable way to kill a fattie... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2314	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:28:00 - [28] - Quote The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!! Dust514 has a place in this world - buried next to 23,000 copies of E.T. in some remote desert location.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 573	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:31:00 - [29] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Currently soloing a proto heavy is very hard... In 1.8, I assume that even catching a heavy in the back might not be enough to win the dual... TBH 1.8 is going to be a ShitShOW You've GOT to be joking... heavies are stupid slow. Killing a heavy is as easy as out ranging and out flanking them. If they take cover just toss a couple core locus at them and watch em try to waddle out of the blast radius and snag an easy +50. I'm pretty sure Reg is talking about fighting toe to toe using nothing but juking and gun game. Which, while a respectable display of skill, isn't the advisable way to kill a fattie... If anyone try to man fight a HMG heavy in his optimal then they deserve every bit of lead they get. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 1880	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:33:00 - [30] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: seriously? difference between tank and heavy. Ar damage to tanks reduced by 90%, AR damage to heavies reduced by possibly 10% max. since a militia Ar without damage mods or proficiency does 425 damage per second. 2000 ehp/425 = +/-4 seconds so, If your in your optimal and have a militia AR, with no damage mods or proficiency you can kill the new heavy in 4 seconds. of course, since EVERYONEhas galente AR at proficiency 5 thats 25% extra damage. so your doing at least 550 damage per second, bringing TTK down to +/-3 seconds. so, in conclusion. One militia noob can kill a heavy by themselves. right...and you can kill a sica with a std swarm launcher, too. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!



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