No one gives a flying f**k about sniper rifles because snipers take virtually no risk in this game. Grow some balls and come out of the redline and off your towers and maybe then the community will care about your problems.

True.

I don't know why they complain about their rifles. Look You:
* can go 20/0~30/0~40/0 without leaving redline - after few games on each map every dumb-ass know where people spawn or
where people usually run. The only hard job is to find that one spec. place,
* can use logi suit with lots of damage mods, armor, drop uplinks, healing nades, if U start to camp on a tower with any forge
gunner nothing can harm You except other dush like You,
* No proto / tank/ or LAV stomp,
* Charge Sniper Rifle - on almost every non advance fit - 1 shot 1 kill
* to go 20/0 You only need few skills: one for complex damage modes, one for sniper rifle operation and prof. Every non-sniper
need core skills and good dropsuit to survive.
* your bullets travel almost instantly, try BF1943 where your bullet need to travel 1-1,5 sec until it reach somebody"s head
(don't bullshit me here about realism or that those rifles are from future so their bullet speed is ultra fast, simple AK-47 has
theoretical range more than 1200m, my AR don't even hit after 100m)
* You can go 20/0 and ********** same time - really, when You throw some nades and links on that hill, start aim and your left
hand is free to do it. You can also smoke, roll a joint, use your cell phone etc

Sometimes when my team redline other team and nothing helps them, even when I use dragonfly without damage mods I don't kill redberries who hide outside redline with militia gear with sniper.

1.get a basic scout suit
2. run around in the open near enemy red line
3. listen to the shots whizzing by you
4. stand still and die

conclusion

scouts are fast and weak with the bad hit detection they are hard to hit but usually one shot will kill them its a trade off i rock a scout suit with sniper so i know .......... most snipers suck but that does not change the fact that they are broken

I thought earlier in the thread you implied redline sniping is rare? If you just mean you don't do it, well congratulations, I don't spam tanks.

What the community is concerned with is not what you mr. pro sniper does. The community is concerned about the thales redline head glitching crap that is only going to get worse if they buff snipers.

Look at this community, people constantly whine about flavors of the month for a reason. If you buff sniping you will buff redline sniping. Until CCP makes redlines a barrier like most futuristic shooters tend to do for spawns then buffing sniping is only going to make this game worse for everyone but snipers. The community already has to deal with tanks all the time, i'd rather not get one shot everytime I leave a hidey hole because sniping suddenly is a one shot/two shot kill on even tanky suits.

Also, I call bs on all the snipers saying redlining isn't viable. It's entirely viable on half the maps where many objectives are visible.

Head glitching, it's a thing, and ive never seen a thales that wasn't sitting in the red line abusing it, believe me if they actually left the redline id hunt them down.

As far as redlines snipers going 0/10....

The more you talk about sniping the more I doubt all these people praising you.

You misunderstand me Im talking about in the interval (0,10) kills I never see a sniper other than myself getting more than 20 kills unfortunatly

And like I said, I don't tank spam.

As far as bullet drop, I am all for it, Sniper Rifles have a bullet that travels at 2,500 meters per second (says right in the description), and the max range you can hit a target is 600 meters, targets do not even render after 600m anymore and I have done more than 1 test with my bud playing on the opposing team go from 599m to 600m to 601 and the bullet does not even hit because there is no target. (Remember there is NO spoon.... ) Redline shooting for everyone needs to be addressed, No bullet should be able to make it out of, or into the redline zone, Same as bullets can not be fired through the opening in the MCC, sure we can see the targets. Redlines need to be adjusted further back, and spawn points as well as to not have spawn campers shooting you as soon as you land from the MCC, which I see going on. Possible solution to this being that weapons do not activate while in the redline, Maybe even get a message flashing saying that is why you can not shoot. This should apply to EVERY weapon, tanks and all. We need more scope variants with different zoom levels. Hit detection being a shot not actually being registered where you see the hit animation, a blue X instead of a red X, or no X at all is what every sniper here who ACTUALLY plays a sniper, and not just typing what they "think". It does need to be worked out and fixed.

On any battlefield, real or virtual, the sniper should be one of the most feared. Out of every rifle in this game, it should have the most actual DPS. It should make people run for cover if they are hit by it and actually survive. The role of a sniper is to kill targets that are out of the targets own effective ranges and suppress enemy movement, give vital intel to their team, and to strike fear into people who will in turn make poor decisions.

when you ASSHOLES GET OUT OF THE REDLINE

I'd actually like to see a change of mechanics related to the redline. I'm not sure what and no one wants to see spawn camping, but the RL needs to be different.

Would also like to see Bombers and Mortars as counters to players who hold static positions too long when people know where they are. We need target painting too.

But yes, hit detection, rendering, scope variety and a higher headshot modifier should be basic changes. That the scrambler pistol gets 450% is ludicrous. Nothing should have a higher headshot bonus than the SR. The Scrambler pistol should be 175% at best.

they just don't measure up to most weapons in the game in their most effective range ,the maps have been sniper proofed and with vehicle buffs rail guns and Assault drop-ships just stomp snipers, TTK for snipers for anything beyond STD gear is crap, proto sniper rifles really aren't that much better than std sniper rifles , scope diversity for anything besides the thales is pretty much non-existent, and the sniper quite honestly doesn't do enough headshot dmg 175% (shield) vs scrambler pistol 450% (shield) .............. I got a whole lot more if thats not enough for you :D

snipers only get a 215 head shot multiplier towards armor which is pitiful but very situational most headshots will be towards shields anyways

Fix it and I will stop using Thales. Thales is the only sniper rifle IMO that can compete with all the tanked suits. The charge can work but the charge slows the fire rate and allows the prey to escape. The KAAL is fast but again tank and they can still escape. So give me a weapon with adequate damage out put and I will deal with it. Yes if you want to make it harder give me bullet drop, someone kicking sand in my eyes, and fire raining down from the sky as long as you give me a weapon that can be called a true sniper rifle.

You'll get a real snipers when you'll stop camping 500m away.

You don't take risk you don't have damage.
I don't see why you should be able to kill everybody easily from redline or 800m away while we can't shoot you.
You want to kill everybody easily with no challenge? Go play a Coop game.


You don't even have bullet gravity.

Snipers are fine man.

Rendering issues are mainly an issue when the sniper is sat in the redline, so no sympathy there. Though I could understand that rendering issues may arise due to the size of the newer maps in particular.

I think the damage of Sniper Rifles is appropriate. If I use a level 1 Sniper and a damage mod or two, I usually have no problem taking down enemies with less than 600 EHP in a few shots.

Also a damage modded Charge Sniper headshot one hit killed my Logi Gk.O the other day. Granted I don't brick tank, but I had around 725 EHP.

The Sniper is a support class, in addition to killing enemies a Sniper can provide overwatch and intel, and even enemies that aren't killed are weakened severely. Dust would not be enjoyable if any scrub with an Ishukone could go 20/0 every game.

If there's any problem at all here, it's map design.

bro your talking to the wrong sniper not to tooting my own horn ,but I'm one of the reasons they can't buff it.

He's right--the patch notes for 1.7 clearly read, "Due to the savage awesomeness of Tyjus Vacca, sniper rifles will remain unchanged."

True.

I don't know why they complain about their rifles. Look You:
* can go 20/0~30/0~40/0 without leaving redline - after few games on each map every dumb-ass know where people spawn or
where people usually run. The only hard job is to find that one spec. place,
* can use logi suit with lots of damage mods, armor, drop uplinks, healing nades, if U start to camp on a tower with any forge
gunner nothing can harm You except other dush like You,
* No proto / tank/ or LAV stomp,
* Charge Sniper Rifle - on almost every non advance fit - 1 shot 1 kill
* to go 20/0 You only need few skills: one for complex damage modes, one for sniper rifle operation and prof. Every non-sniper
need core skills and good dropsuit to survive.
* your bullets travel almost instantly, try BF1943 where your bullet need to travel 1-1,5 sec until it reach somebody"s head
(don't bullshit me here about realism or that those rifles are from future so their bullet speed is ultra fast, simple AK-47 has
theoretical range more than 1200m, my AR don't even hit after 100m)
* You can go 20/0 and ********** same time - really, when You throw some nades and links on that hill, start aim and your left
hand is free to do it. You can also smoke, roll a joint, use your cell phone etc

Sometimes when my team redline other team and nothing helps them, even when I use dragonfly without damage mods I don't kill redberries who hide outside redline with militia gear with sniper.