you're using it wrong....

If the community isn't whining about it. Don't expect it anytime soon. Study what happened with the RR and AR. Get players on board. Spam the forum daily with topics of sniper buff needed. Then watch the changes come. It always happens that way. Democracy in action.

not looking for a pissing contest, would just like a more concise argument. My only problem with the statement is the last part.

Where, How, and Why would be nice. If you don't mind Mister or Ms. Vacca....

when you ASSHOLES GET OUT OF THE REDLINE

It's not the rifle, it's the Sniper using it.

If you can hit my fast suits ,then the above statements are untrue.

Or maybe they are true...
But AA just compensates for it...

Damage is VERY MUCH FINE.

Meybe snipers just need a BIGGER HEADSHOT BONUS, since fine aiming should always be rewarded.

But a general increase in damage would result in more easy SCRUB sniping.

Well here goes my Toddler reasoning again:

If snipers get buffed without addressing the red-line problem, they become OP.

So there isnt ANY REASON AT ALL to buff snipers , while they can snipe with immunity from behind the red line.

No one gives a flying f**k about sniper rifles because snipers take virtually no risk in this game. Grow some balls and come out of the redline and off your towers and maybe then the community will care about your problems.

I have gone 64/0 with a sniper, never left the redline once that match.

Hit detection and ranged rendering does need a fix.

The damage snipers do is ****. No other word to describe it, its ****.

IMO
Kaalikiota should do 450per shot
Ishukone shoul do 700 pershot
Charge and Thales both hit at 750.

Meh maybe not that much, but when a player gets hit by a sniper, he should sprawl to cover, not just _____ _____ the thumb stick to ____ _____ lolollol

IF bullet physics were included, bullet drop, wind, velocity over range etc.

As for the redline...whole different discussion. I can defend it all I want, but reality is, safe zone should be a no fire zone, no fire in no fire out. Once you leave redline protection gained from being there is gone, even if you return.

True.

I don't know why they complain about their rifles. Look You:
* can go 20/0~30/0~40/0 without leaving redline - after few games on each map every dumb-ass know where people spawn or
where people usually run. The only hard job is to find that one spec. place,
* can use logi suit with lots of damage mods, armor, drop uplinks, healing nades, if U start to camp on a tower with any forge
gunner nothing can harm You except other dush like You,
* No proto / tank/ or LAV stomp,
* Charge Sniper Rifle - on almost every non advance fit - 1 shot 1 kill
* to go 20/0 You only need few skills: one for complex damage modes, one for sniper rifle operation and prof. Every non-sniper
need core skills and good dropsuit to survive.
* your bullets travel almost instantly, try BF1943 where your bullet need to travel 1-1,5 sec until it reach somebody"s head
(don't bullshit me here about realism or that those rifles are from future so their bullet speed is ultra fast, simple AK-47 has
theoretical range more than 1200m, my AR don't even hit after 100m)
* You can go 20/0 and ********** same time - really, when You throw some nades and links on that hill, start aim and your left
hand is free to do it. You can also smoke, roll a joint, use your cell phone etc

Sometimes when my team redline other team and nothing helps them, even when I use dragonfly without damage mods I don't kill redberries who hide outside redline with militia gear with sniper.

I thought earlier in the thread you implied redline sniping is rare? If you just mean you don't do it, well congratulations, I don't spam tanks.

What the community is concerned with is not what you mr. pro sniper does. The community is concerned about the thales redline head glitching crap that is only going to get worse if they buff snipers.

Look at this community, people constantly whine about flavors of the month for a reason. If you buff sniping you will buff redline sniping. Until CCP makes redlines a barrier like most futuristic shooters tend to do for spawns then buffing sniping is only going to make this game worse for everyone but snipers. The community already has to deal with tanks all the time, i'd rather not get one shot everytime I leave a hidey hole because sniping suddenly is a one shot/two shot kill on even tanky suits.

Also, I call bs on all the snipers saying redlining isn't viable. It's entirely viable on half the maps where many objectives are visible.

Head glitching, it's a thing, and ive never seen a thales that wasn't sitting in the red line abusing it, believe me if they actually left the redline id hunt them down.

As far as redlines snipers going 0/10....

The more you talk about sniping the more I doubt all these people praising you.

And like I said, I don't tank spam.

He's right--the patch notes for 1.7 clearly read, "Due to the savage awesomeness of Tyjus Vacca, sniper rifles will remain unchanged."