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Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 3145	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:30:00 - [1] - Quote So this morning I was running a squad with some friends but we weren't quite full so I threw it in Squad Finder. A few seconds later the squad fills up and we're chatting when I suddenly hear this clearly prepubescent voice in my ear. This young new merc promptly asked something along the lines of "when I log off, why am I not in a CRU anymore?" My immediate gut reaction was "OH GOD KICK HIM HE'S BRAND SPANKING NEW!" For some reason though, this catgirl had a shred of warmth in her heart and decided to help mentor this poor young fellow. We played a few rounds of skirmish and he struggled (no surprise there), but then came the statement that was just an icepick to the heart for we vets - "I'm just going to snipe from now on, it's the only way I can get kills." OUCH. In the match the disparity between veteran and newberry became VERY obvious. Newberry said he felt as if her couldn't even get a shot off before he was dead. He complained on how other players could "eat" his bullets but for some reason their rounds were doing far more damage to him. This poor newberry was running around in starter militia medic suit going against Ishukone RR's and Boundless CR's - HE HAD NO CHANCE. This is someone who didn't even know the names of the game modes being put in a match against Hellstorm, Nyain, Molon Labe, etc...needless to say he was a bit dejected. This newberry told us he has only been playing the game for about a day now. When asked how he heard of DUST he replied that he saw it in the PSN store and it looked "cool." He then informed us that he just kind of had to figure things out on his own. He figured out how to hack on his own and that defending the objectives were important. He had very little knowledge of the names of installations or equipment. He somewhat knew CRU's but he called the MCC a "big spaceship thingy" and didn't know what supply depots were. The guy had spunk though, when asked if he would stick around or quit playing he said he'd stick around. I warned him though that if he thought today was bad, eventually he'll face super corps that will stomp him so hard he'll have to check his RL nuts for bruising. After a few more rounds of him getting his ass handed to him (even though we won some matches), he went off to play BLOPS. I'm telling you, I've read and heard the stories of how horrendous it is for new players coming into DUST but I have never had a run in experience with it. CCP you have REALLY got to do something. He stated that a tutorial he feels would have helped. You have countless newberries like this running around not knowing what's going on that will get dejected and leave the game. If people have a bad new experience, negativity will spread by word of mouth and this game will never grow. Something needs to be done. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2376	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:34:00 - [2] - Quote So newberry plays and gets proto stomped Yet we have threads from chief proto stomper kingbabar himself about why DUST is too easy and has no challenge even tho hes caused his own problem 1 good thing about it he didnt seem like a dumbass and actually protects objectives Intelligence is OP
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1402	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:44:00 - [3] - Quote OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Anime > EVERYTHING
Bax Zanith 12	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:53:00 - [4] - Quote I am glad you have seen the truth. Ever since 1.7 hit, iv only incountered one noob, I was going to help him out, but I got punched in the face by a fatal error. I never saw him again. In fact, I havent seen any new players from my contacts list since 1.7. I can't help notice that most protos I run into are AUR variants, I find this vary ironic. If the stomping keeps going as it is then there won't be a growing player base, the dust server will no longer have the funds to stay up, thous shut down, and all money anyone has spent on this game will waisted. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 715	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:56:00 - [5] - Quote I was in that squad and was about to make the same exact thread. Back when we all started playing the game, the learning curve was much less than it is now. But to hear a kid maybe thirteen years old say, "enough of this I'm going sniping", eye opener to why you end up with all the blues in the backfield doing nothing. It's not a matter of him not wanting to play the game, he wants to play with people on his skill level. There needs to be better training and tutorials, and there needs to be gear and or SP regulated game modes, when someone says they would rather play crap ops, that's an eye opener. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 823	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:57:00 - [6] - Quote Buff academy to last until you get ~3mil sp Also pve and better tutorials will help
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6368	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:58:00 - [7] - Quote There is a player out there named Eirik Yassavi. No, he is not an alt of mine, he is a brand new player I've been playing with. He started out very frustrated, but after just a few days he got up to using basic advanced heavy frames with the MH-82 and is having a good time. There's definitely problems with the NPE, but as far as new players not being able to do anything in public matches that to me is more of an issue of PC players wanting to play highly competitive in their best gear but having no place to do so at (PC is effectively shutdown with district locking, FW is a one-sided joke with poor payouts). ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 145	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:59:00 - [8] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. I'm sorry, but if you have been here a year you did NOT have to go through it. You did not have to face 18 month vets with a billion ISK's running full proto 24/7 with full squad just like them running in pub matches. You faced guys with some better equipment and more experience, but the difference is exponential and growing worse.
Zirzo Valcyn Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:59:00 - [9] - Quote ccp i guess thinks it's funny to kick them out of acadmey this 'soon' while no one else is laughing u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Emperor1349 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 9	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:00:00 - [10] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1800637#post1800637 Something like this? R.I.P Mag - SVER

Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 145	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:02:00 - [11] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: There is a player out there named Eirik Yassavi. No, he is not an alt of mine, he is a brand new player I've been playing with. He started out very frustrated, but after just a few days he got up to using basic advanced heavy frames with the MH-82 and is having a good time. There's definitely problems with the NPE, but as far as new players not being able to do anything in public matches that to me is more of an issue of PC players wanting to play highly competitive in their best gear but having no place to do so at (PC is effectively shutdown with district locking, FW is a one-sided joke with poor payouts). Yes, these players broke their playground and now want to play in the kiddie playground with predictable results.
Zirzo Valcyn Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 76	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:10:00 - [12] - Quote ^^^ lol was pretty sad when i had a new player on my dropship and he said it was the most kills he'd gotten so far (6) u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 702	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:11:00 - [13] - Quote My heart dropped T_T Poste 3 to OP I wish I could give more likes but it's just not possible. DUST is one of very few games that are hard without any AI opponents. CCP appears to not wanna hold your hand but they could at least give the new guys a hand shake, fist bump, or high 5....SOMETHING! Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 851	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:12:00 - [14] - Quote Welcome to logiRR514. Tell him he just needs to play for about 2-6 months, and invest that time in putting points into things he likes, only to watch them get nerfed into the floorboards right when he finally uses it. don't worry though, about 2 months after that, they'll make it gloriously OP and everyone and their grandmother will be abusing it to high heaven and you'll feel disgusting when you use it because of how it became FOTM. Just tell him to spec into gal logi and rail rifles. they're IN and CCP will probably go back to making them the best slayer suits in the game by the time he specs into them. Gotta love the matchmaking in this game. "you've played a couple rounds with people who can't tell the difference between the trigger of their gun and their own ass, so now you're ready to fight the top end players with over a year's worth of a headstart, who ONLY use what's OP while it's OP." If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 9	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:21:00 - [15] - Quote I've said it before and I'll say it again: Longer time spent in the Academy. At least untill they hit 1 million total SP.
Emperor1349 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 9	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:21:00 - [16] - Quote LogiRR514 is correct, if your not running a RR or a militia tank in 1.7 your screwing it up. Also this >>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1800637#post1800637 R.I.P Mag - SVER
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 124	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:38:00 - [17] - Quote There is really next to nothing explained in this game. I have been playing since August 2012 and I didn't learn the game until around Dec, I was actually about to delete it from my HD when I met a guy in a public match through voice chat and he took me under his wing. (Adam Average thanks again!!) We have to consider a few things: 1. Fps players as a whole are not patient This applies to many things, including glitches, lopsided matching, poor gameplay, hard to understand mechanics and scaling, etc. 2. Say what you will about the other core shooters, they do play better as shooters than dust COD, battlefield, halo, they may not be your faves but they have significantly advanced the bar of what shooter gameplay is. You may not like the mindless twitching of blops, or the giddy epic moments only in battlefield, but they succeed at their chosen formulas. Why would someone stick out mediocrity for months on end to maybe finally bask in the core camaraderie of Corps and the teamwork based gameplay and to finally enjoy a few games, when they can plug and play the other shooters around and start swimming right away... 3. Some of us have not played Eve Meaning we are not familiar with ccp, it's practices, it's design philosophy, or the like. We don't know the lore, the races, or how they fit into the world. This leads to not knowing which suits excel at our particular playstyles until it is far too late...Me personally I had to make 5 chars before I figured out gallente starter suits were the best for me. None of the lore or progression information is clearly presented until after you make your character, in fact they tell you that your base choices will not affect your gameplay when they clearly do. I have a minmatar who in my starter fits I can't fight a cold, and a gallente who I can go 20-2 because the suit is geared to my playstyle. If there is no real sense of gravity in choosing until you've already made a mistake, how can a new player make a stand against veterans when he is already behind the 8 so far? All in all the npe needs to be expanded and explained quite a bit more if we want to see the playerbase grow. I know word of mouth and recruiting is one of the primary pulls to dust, but even the website is obscure and not promoted in game to access this information. I know it's in the launch screen but I personally never read that. New players are missing out on email events and free stuff also in that respect...
CaoticFox Axis of Chaos 166	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:41:00 - [18] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. [REQUEST] (MLT/STD GAMEMODE) as described in REQUEST / FEEDBACK, so we have SOMEWHERE to train them. Im on the FORUMS because im P!$$ED off @ the game. as of 1920 CST USA 02-03-14 i have... 53,765,260 SP
Roofer Madness Tickle My Null-Sac 811	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:43:00 - [19] - Quote CCP doesn't want to fix the protostomping/npe problems. How else are they going to sell Aurum gear to all the noobs to stay "competitive"? lol And if they actually explained things to noobs? EIther they would die less (and spend less) or understand the game better and not buy aurum gear in the first place. So it seems it's in CCP's best interest to let the stomping continue... Sucks but there it is. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. Tickle My Null-Sac Public Chat = "Public Hairs"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 115	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:53:00 - [20] - Quote I would honestly love it if tactics worked better than better gear. I have never cared much for running proto, and have only done it in PC where it might have made a difference. Since that is currently shutdown I see no need to be loosing money over some overpriced suit?! What's sad about proto stomping is you actually get atleast six vets, who you would think had brains, to all agree to run around matches fully fitted for PC?! Man if you see guys going down in 3's, and you haven't even reloaded yet, downgrade?! They can't hang with your proto heavy and boundless assault hmg?! Hell who can? I run adv at the most period now. To save money, and to have a challenge! I'm a glutton for punishment if you will ::) I fight tanks on foot, play demon and dark souls, and play all fighting games on their hardest modes ::) Do I win? Mostly not, but it makes me think of ways to be effective and overcome rediculous odds. The most satisfying thing in dust is killing a proto, and knowing he just read "frontline and assault rifle" lol! I'll run a modded frontline dropsuit, and save tons of isk! Stopped caring about k/dr from the beginning when i saw how one sided this game was?! We've all been pleading with CCP to fix this militia/proto gap. Tactics should decide the battle. You would stop seeing so much explotaition and spam if guys stopped proto stomping everyone?! All this stuff comes from neccessity. Grenade spam comes from the need to be able to kill fully proto teams coming at you, and not having a rifle that can actually kill them?! If you knew your team could run good tactics and beat protos, you wouldn't need OP weapons. The game does not reward good tactics and just rewards closed beta vets?! CCP seems to only listen to things that make them money, and not things that keep the game going?! Dust 514 is expendable to them since they have EVE. If it fails they've made money so i don't think they care?! They don't respond on these threads like this, but let a tanker whine and everyone comes in to fix it?! The result of that is tank 514?! Newbs can't even get out of newb phase on this game?! Then there are threads talking about new players are coming to dust lol?! Yeah well they if they do we won't have shortage of snipers smh?! "Anybody order chaos?"

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 124	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:59:00 - [21] - Quote You play dark souls....you always win sir.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:12:00 - [22] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Buff academy to last until you get ~3mil sp Also pve and better tutorials will help NO NO NO! They will just get stomped longer in accademy.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 646	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:19:00 - [23] - Quote IWS bascially storyboarded out a playable tutorial...make it so CCP! But until that happens, at least extend academy for goodness sake. Reign Omega is right about the Eve lore stuff too, as a closed beta vet I didn't really have to worry about that stuff when I started Dust, you either played scout, assault, logi, or heavy. I learned that way and then by the time Uprising came out months later I had the info to be able to make a decent choice on racial suits and weaponry. We should have some sort of voice over description of each race on character selection. Give a very brief description of the race RP wise and what battle strategies they prefer. For example: Caldari: place The State above personal goals, are a break away from Gallente federation, main enemies are Gallente, primary allies are Amarr. Caldari battle philosophy: rely on shields over armor and use long range weaponry athat is more effective against armor than shields. Flesh that out for each race and pay some people to voice act the synopsis as well as having such in words. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 125	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:33:00 - [24] - Quote That sounds almost exactly like I kid on got in my squad on saturday. He wasn't THAT new though, had the basic premise and terminology down. First thing he said when he joined was "I got kicked out of my last squad because they said I chirp too much... chirp chirp chirp" and proceeded to ask questions for the next 10 mins hahaha. Answered his questions when I could and gave tips when needed, generally tried to be nice to the new kids. Short Version; Don't be a **** to the new kid New players = good (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "fuck this I'm out"... ... ..."I'm back"
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 168	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:58:00 - [25] - Quote Getting your ass handed to you is normal. That's what happened to me when I started playing RTS games, for example. And the thing that I did was to look at replays to see what I did wrong and what my enemy did right. No need for a sob story about a little boy who gets defeated - Game should be challenging and fun, not just going through the motions. Unfortunately, FPS don't work like that. There are few skills in this game that can be aquired through explicit transmission. You might argue that proto stomping does make you better, considering that the game gets easier once you get more skill bonuses, but my account is about six months old and I often get the urge to just throw the controller away when I've got another instance of a bunch of fucknuts invading the game with four tanks, two ADS and really *** bad players that one-shot me because of their proto RRs. Seriously, those guys are so bad that I can kill their heavies with my scout suits in frontal assault, just by utilizing cover properly. They can't hit the broad side of a barn, but can enjoy a feeling of power with their proto gear and the mechanized force on their side. And that's why I'm still in favor of a mode where proto players are set up against mlt/std players, with a 1:2 ratio or even more. This would allow stompers to get back some challenge due to a numerical disadvantage, while allowing newer players to enjoy the game by seeing their comrades fall alongside them. The sense of community when you rush a tank with militia AV should be fun. Which gets me to another aspect that is lacking - Community. The guy in OP's example had a mic. But there's plenty of players that don't. And that really hurts the game, because you start to resent your fellow mute blueberries after a while. The game needs a system for gestures or text chat or whatever. Just something that allows you to directly communicate with people who stand right next to you. Give a player a sense of community and he will suffer through anything. I experienced that with RTS games - The single most powerful feature in those was the centralized chat lobby. Any game without lobby died sooner or later, but the games with lobbies survived even with exceedingly small communities.
Sgt Buttscratch 1436	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:17:00 - [26] - Quote we dont need a IWS story board added, we need tiered fighting, wether it be by SP or by dropsuit tier/meta levels. People will try argue that there isn't enough people to split the community, but reality is that there is, They're just scared of the thought of having to fight other proto tryhard 1337 scrubs. Fact of the matter is this game loses a larger majority of potential players through pathetic and poor design(non-existant) matchmaking and a terrible NPE(new player experience). I have had so many friends try Dust514, I run quiete a few games with a 6000+ strong online gaming community; I am the ONLY one of those people who plays Dust514. It is the only game I know of that we have only 1 person actually playing. In an ideal world the stompers would realise that they have **** oponents and maybe switch to MLT/STD fits. They won't ever do this, I don't know if its a pride thing, or arrogance or maybe even they are scared a closer battle. This game will always struggle to capture new players. It's a shooter with the standards of 2008(max), claims of tactical shooter, no tactics in sight. Depth, though there is only a handful of things worth putting your SP into, which in reality is a shallow game. So many people will play for a few days and go back to Boyfriend 4 or kids of dookie, which rewards you fast, offers fast and clean(er) action. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 820	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:25:00 - [27] - Quote When the loading screen was always either the controls screen or what the symbols meant on the map, I instantly figured out what each thing was, but maybe not what they did (CRU? What the hell is that?). It's just little kids don't grasp stuff right away because they're too eager to get started. I agree, though, that there should be a better tutorial put in place to learn what a CRU actually does, or what a supply depot is capable of. Teach the young ones, CCP!
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 172	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:34:00 - [28] - Quote Best NPE so far had been when day old players glitch in cloaked. Otherwise, New players need a personal assist drone to hold there hand in combat. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1142	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:34:00 - [29] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. I'm sorry, but if you have been here a year you did NOT have to go through it. You did not have to face 18 month vets with a billion ISK's running full proto 24/7 with full squad just like them running in pub matches. You faced guys with some better equipment and more experience, but the difference is exponential and growing worse. And who NEEDS this game? Why do we have to STICK to it? Most ppl say bye bye and CCP has to worry. This gameGÇª it WILL die! Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Damian Crisis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 13	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:36:00 - [30] - Quote I think a good way to fix this is to have a tutorial that's a little more like the Eve Online one. They'll be a simulation battle. So basically it will just guide him or her by page. DISCLAIMER: This is a MMOFPS. It will take time to get good. This game requires a lot of patience. Then sends him into a simulation of each Game Mode. Basically NO AI BS.. just lets him or her look at the Minimap.. and shows what everything does. They have to start with Ambush and show them what each symbol means (Amount of players and what the clone reverses are and what happens when it depletes. ****, maybe even let the player only choose Ambush until he gets a certain amount of SP (kinda like the newbie rounds in open contract). Then a simulation of a Domination map which shows them that the rules for Ambush still apply, but there's also things that need to be hacked and this is what each thing does. Finally dump the newbie into Beginner matches like it does now and hopefully then, he'll get enough SP and knowledge of the game to play with everyone else. I know the problem is what if there's not enough new players. Well... then maybe the consideration of A.I. Simulation Matches would be a good idea. Popularity is not an attribute of a Scout, unless it's the afterlife.

Eberk Baldek Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:37:00 - [31] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Newberry said he felt as if her couldn't even get a shot off before he was dead. He complained on how other players could "eat" his bullets but for some reason their rounds were doing far more damage to him. This poor newberry was running around in starter militia medic suit going against Ishukone RR's and Boundless CR's - HE HAD NO CHANCE. Once upon a time I used to invite the occasional player to DUST 514, but they all felt pretty much like "Newberry". Their bullets did nothing against the enemy. I'm actually breaking in a new weapon myself now and I still get the same sort of feeling even though my suit skills are pretty good.
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:48:00 - [32] - Quote Replace the current tutorial with a new version of the Way of the Mercenary video.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 225	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:00:00 - [33] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter?
Kharga Lum Arcana Imperii Ltd. Northern Army. 281	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:12:00 - [34] - Quote The elimination of tiers (Proposed by CSM) would help a lot with this issue.
Damian Crisis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 14	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:12:00 - [35] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter? Actually I double agree. It's honestly what makes the Eve Universe so unique. The hardcore instantly on makes it a very unique and mature game. Popularity is not an attribute of a Scout, unless it's the afterlife.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:18:00 - [36] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter? I'm glad you are not a quitter or a whiner and are up to a challenge, so why not make a fitting that you can only expect to go 2/12 in? If you play in that and improve your game and not resort to playing in your better gear then I'll admit you are right , but right now all I see is whining that you don't want to do that and just want to stomp because you were stomped.
CHECHOWOMAN X EDEN HISPANO XXX Zero-Day 8	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:19:00 - [37] - Quote One thing is clear, if you are a novice, recommend a fat suit and rifle gauus, with the initial 500,000 sp is caught, will be the only way not to leave the game at first and may make war, that to me is the initial suit for novice ... And starting from there with time you get to the rest ... These rookies have to go through what my also metoco pass (am "CHECHOMAN") and took only slightly more than 6 months, and a month ago is when I started to struggle with skinny suit, I have the pro logistical ak.0 and ck.0 by aurum or loyalty points, sentry pro ak.0 open the logistical pro gk.0, skinny and now I can give war veterans ... Time has cost me, and it was time, it is not only make the costume as you know, I do not sack suit, without having all well since then I have everything in the suit is a level 5 ... And his passive skills also increases ... Right now I am about 22,000,000 sp, and pg (2,200,000 war points). One thing is clear, now ccp, would have to give a new vlon created no less than 2,000,000 sp. That's my opinion, a greeting from Spain ... Flamenco, bullfighting and ole! Hahaha " EDEN HISPANO XXX " recluta y la alianza " ZERO-DAY " los mas simpaticos ! para alguna de las 2 opciones " CHECHOMAN "
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1167	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:36:00 - [38] - Quote How is this new? Pro tip on how to not be a new player repellant: Dont use f'cking proto in pub matches. It-¦s as simple as that. Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 225	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:10:00 - [39] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter? I'm glad you are not a quitter or a whiner and are up to a challenge, so why not make a fitting that you can only expect to go 2/12 in? If you play in that and improve your game and not resort to playing in your better gear then I'll admit you are right , but right now all I see is whining that you don't want to do that and just want to stomp because you were stomped. I run bpo-fits 90 % of the time. Kinda hard to "stomp" when your dropsuit, modules and weapons are all basic tier...
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 225	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:17:00 - [40] - Quote Damian Crisis wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter? Actually I double agree. It's honestly what makes the Eve Universe so unique. The hardcore instantly on makes it a very unique and mature game. You said it. Too many multiplayer games are over-populated with loud-mouthed, snotty teenage boys with the attentionspan of a palsied 4-year old. The hardcore nature of the Eve universe only serve to keep them out. And I for one am thankful for it. Trying to make New Eden "more accessible to the broader public" would only hurt the game.

axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 195	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:49:00 - [41] - Quote Let's all pitch in and donate to the new kid! The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3481	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:54:00 - [42] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: There is a player out there named Eirik Yassavi. No, he is not an alt of mine, he is a brand new player I've been playing with. He started out very frustrated, but after just a few days he got up to using basic advanced heavy frames with the MH-82 and is having a good time. There's definitely problems with the NPE, but as far as new players not being able to do anything in public matches that to me is more of an issue of PC players wanting to play highly competitive in their best gear but having no place to do so at (PC is effectively shutdown with district locking, FW is a one-sided joke with poor payouts). I sent him gg mail the other day thinking he was your alt But he's a nice person :) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Duke Noobiam Da Short Buss Driving School 14	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:00:00 - [43] - Quote I also try to help "newberries" (although I only play with adults). When discussing the new player experience, I usually tell them the following... 1. Join a learner corp "DUST University" etc. 2. Stick to Skirmish mode so that... - You run into less proto-stomping. - You can achieve war-points more easily/safely. 3. Run in squads. 4. Be patient, try to not worry too much about your KDR. 5. If you quit, come back in 6 months and your character will have 4 million SP which will make the game more fun. These are far from perfect, but they help the "new player experience" somewhat. When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 372	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:13:00 - [44] - Quote I had a similar experience with my sons. Baby boy is 12 and his kid bro is 8. I used to peel around in my limbus and they would hack stuff while i covered them. It was sweet being able to have mobile cover and teach them about supressive fire. I had a great time. They even saved my Darken mobile and picked me up at the ground spawn. They needed some one to look out for them and fill them in on everything. Putting them against competetive teams like Imperfects and Hellstorm just made them want to quit. Back then you could get camped alot easier. You would get killed before you even fully spawned in. Neither of my boys still play. It stopped being fun for them and skilling up took to long. They couldnt handle the grind without a squad of Wolves watching their back, so they never played when i was at work. It is a damn shame there is no relief from corps like NS and STB who rock the best gear 24/7. Its their right because they started earlier. They found a way to take advantage of CCPs apathy for the NPE. It is the same when I grab guys fresh out of the academy. They have no clue and are just fodder for pubstompers. There are a bunch of players willing to help these new guys but no real effective way of succeeding. We need things like a referral system after the academy. An academy that is useful. A check and balance to match making. Perhaps an option for corp squads to fight other corp squads. You will always have douchebags that prey on newbs, but a place for corps to have good matches against other corps is needed. Who wants some?
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 172	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:27:00 - [45] - Quote The assumption that proto stompers are looking for a challenge is a falacy. It is for the advantage, period. The fact that most of them have so much isk that it doesnt matter is the other half of the problem. I keep saying Faction Warfare is the place where high end players need to be playing. Right now i see the oppisite, proto in pubs and militia/standard in FW.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 8926	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:37:00 - [46] - Quote If major, major things are not done to fix the NPE soon, this game will die or else not be worth saving. I am quite serious. New players are the lifeblood of games. It is absolutely critical that they are supported and taught and given a fair chance. It is completely unacceptable for them to be thrown in against people with three times their HP, twice as much range, and twice as much damage as them without even being taught what the gamemodes are. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 175	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:50:00 - [47] - Quote I've always regarded myself as fortunate in this game. Having first arrived in mid summer, I was just on the last end of being able to have enough SP accumulated in academy to compete in regular matches and even PC. The rest of the game I learned all myself, had no help from anybody in any corp, nor even any squads. I first started squadding up in late October and first actually decided to join a real corp back in December. Never even read these forums until late November. Sadly, new guys just don't have a chance today. 400 WP or whatever it is for Academy is just a suicide mission. It was 12,000 when I was around and protostomp pubs were only a moderate occurrence. I still feel for the new guys when I'm in pubs and I see the bottom of the boards with guys going 0/10, 2/17, etc. A lot of them aren't going to spend all the time trying to build up skills and ISK either. My recommendation is to just extend Academy for a decent length of time, and/or establish a secondary Academy for people who are at a certain SP level to avoid stomping of new players. At the current rate we'll just never have a large new player base and that's something we're all going to have to live with for the time being I think. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 175	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:56:00 - [48] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If major, major things are not done to fix the NPE soon, this game will die or else not be worth saving. I am quite serious. New players are the lifeblood of games. It is absolutely critical that they are supported and taught and given a fair chance. It is completely unacceptable for them to be thrown in against people with three times their HP, twice as much range, and twice as much damage as them without even being taught what the gamemodes are. I agree 100% with your assessment. Couldn't have said it better. Eventually this game will fade out as more and more of the old guard leaves for whatever reason and the player base slowly decreases, sad as it is. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1375	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:40:00 - [49] - Quote The idea that we all had to go through stomping is BS. If you were here early enough nobody had the wealth or SP to run full proto in every match. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 412	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:42:00 - [50] - Quote WELCOME TO HELL KID ! sooo a who dragged you down here ? Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!

steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2246	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:43:00 - [51] - Quote iv been screaming this for months that new players had no chance though no fault of thier own but apparently i was over reacting . the simple fact is a gear lock needs to be put on pub matches it is the only way to stop facestomping. no ammount of matchmaking is going to fix i have a proto rifle and you dont "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 194	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:45:00 - [52] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If major, major things are not done to fix the NPE soon, this game will die or else not be worth saving. I am quite serious. New players are the lifeblood of games. It is absolutely critical that they are supported and taught and given a fair chance. It is completely unacceptable for them to be thrown in against people with three times their HP, twice as much range, and twice as much damage as them without even being taught what the gamemodes are. 100% agreed. Meta-level capped matches are the best short-term solution, in my opinion. While other options like tiercide are viable long term, something needs to be done in short order to make the NPE better. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
Damian Crisis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 16	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:49:00 - [53] - Quote I'm probably a newbie since like a week and a half ago. I have no complaints. I knew what I was getting myself into. Popularity is not an attribute of a Scout, unless it's the afterlife.
IG8T8 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 3	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:47:00 - [54] - Quote bleh I go +kdr and +w/l running militia/basic gear with ~4 mil sp. make academy last longer and you rob the player base from the game proper, same goes for adding PVE. its a niche game, unique and not for everyone. if i did anything to level the playing field i'd handicap FW with meta restrictions depending on faction dominance.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:01:00 - [55] - Quote Oooh just reading that reminded me of myself, wish I meet the kid I would of gave him some isk to get started. New born sAMARRi
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 165	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:23:00 - [56] - Quote We should all try to keep public squads up titled and geared to attracting new players and helping them out. I usually run one called "Noob-friendly Pubs" that gets surprisingly good traffic, as it seems new players do actually use Squad Finder. Have had several vets pop in looking to help, as well. If everyone in this thread did something similar, we could have squads up all day offering info/advice/lessons across the spectrum and be of great service to the playerbase.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt 362	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:40:00 - [57] - Quote I'm not surprised about that ouch part.. It's what I did too when i started playing Dust after the first few battles.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 512	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:52:00 - [58] - Quote In EVE when you create a new character you get accelerated training up to a certain amount of SP. (Or at least you did.) Extend the academy and have triple xp up to a few million. Make it clear that once you leave the academy SP accrual will be normalized before boosters. I threw together an alt and was out of the academy in 1 1/2 matches, first death out of academy was to a proto suit. That is no way to retain new people, for every one that presses on more move on. I know New Eden is a harsh place, but there is no Highsec to fumble around in while you learn the game and skill up to a competitive level, dust needs something aside from being thrown straight to the fire. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 129	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:27:00 - [59] - Quote Great idea about the starter squads, maybe an advice based channel to invite ppl to? Is dust uni still tutoring players?
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 35	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:52:00 - [60] - Quote Better matchmaking or prohibiting proto gear from public matches would be the best course of action. I feel sorry for the new player, it's tough to go against a team of protos. One or two aren't that bad. Tactics and teamwork could still overcome proto users. Get in a squad and everyone start aiming for the same guy. Have one guy toss a flux grenade and then someone else a locus grenade.

Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 30	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:18:00 - [61] - Quote Hey guys I really like this thread, I went to reply but it went a little off topic and became its own essay. I've posted my idea for helping the NPE though some sort of meta level capped game mode. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1803230#post1803230 It's my first thread here :P Good idea, bad? Let's discuss.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.02.05 08:57:00 - [62] - Quote I've been talking about splitting public contracts for a while now and using the meta level of gear as tiers. Why do we even have arbitrary Meta level designations? Let's be real though, the battle academy has never and will never solve anything. The new players are just going to spend SP on what works in the battle academy then get wrecked when the water wings are taken off and they are thrown into the deep end. The biggest problem with this game is just the sad fact that it took to long. The game doesn't have many of it's racial suits and barely any game modes. If this wasn't from a company that runs a well known game like Eve it would have already been declared a failure. Now, the ps4 has come out and their is no way this game is going to stand toe to toe with planetside 2, or at least by the time it can compete, ps4/ps5 will be running planetside 3. The only thing this game had going for it was the promise of integration of two different games, which got canned, its been dead in the water ever since. The reason the game has such low new player retention is its a grindy game like many hardcore korean mmos that's masquerading as a first person shooter with a meta game that changes every month or two creating an endless grind to get to the point where players are allowed to have fun. Problem is the mainstay is HTFU!!! Which to most people is met with "Why? This game is a mediocre shooter at best, it's battlefield halo with low player counts and months of grind on a couple of rotating maps." The original halo had more game features and didn't lock you out of content for months at a time only to change said content and say HTFU! Honestly it was a collaboration that this game failed. The Eve players mutinied over any chance of the two games being integral. The hardcore dust players cannibalized the new player base at every turn. The developers have pretty much put the game to the back burner like they have all their non-Eve games in the past. And Sony didn't help pushing a product out of Beta before it was ready to meet their time tables. This game could pretty much be summed up by calling it "Firefly" the video game.
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 31	Posted - 2014.02.05 09:54:00 - [63] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: -SNIPPITY SNIP SNIP- I see you have 0 likes... Allow me to help you there
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1912	Posted - 2014.02.05 10:15:00 - [64] - Quote It's stuff like this that makes me want teiricide. The horrible gap from new player to vet is WAY too big. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 147	Posted - 2014.02.05 10:40:00 - [65] - Quote im an eve vet and an experienced fps player and i still had a problem starting out for the first few days. i figured id be able to fly solo for a while before i could start my own corp but i didnt realize the game was still completely unfinished. this was back in mid-late october when i joined so i just joined a corp and gave up on that idea since theres only a handful of strong corps that control everything. the tutorial was awful and acadamy lasts 2-3 battles tops. should be at least 20-25 along with 4-5 tutorial matches against bots that teach you how to play. revive this guy, you switch to the injector and get shot at by someone and you ai squad leader says hey thats the guy who downed your teammate and hes waiting to kill you both, kill him first before you revive your teammate. do that and then you bring him up while it explains youll have a short period of time before the clone dies. situational things like that.
Exodeon Salviej the third day 34	Posted - 2014.02.05 10:44:00 - [66] - Quote In my own honesty, I have to agree with the tutorial, and training layout. -. - I'm at 15 mill SP now, and albeit, Commandos weren't released at the time I joined, I went proto minmatar assault because it was second best to my playstyle when I didn't even know it. Then the Commando comes out, and I now go 20+ to 3 now that there's a suit that matches it perfectly. But again, the way CCP does thing is that they get the core skeleton out into the feild of their game, then they flesh it out. But at the moment, I think they're trying to do the reverse of their tactics; Get the content out, then work on the skeleton(which is WHY I think there's so many people complaining about game mechanics. xD). SO...considering that tutorials, aesthetics, and glitches fall into the category of game mechanics, they're somewhat shoving all of that off to the side BECAUSE they want to get all of their BASE content out, then tweak, and twist the kinks out of the whole shabang. EVE could withstand such a thing(skeleton first, flesh second) because it's a Sandbox RPG. DUST 514 is an FPS, and as one perso said(which i can't remember), FPS players are impatient on things. So...in all true honesty, all of the people on DUST, are asking CCP to do a TON of things, which just adds to the list, and makes the list bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and just simply bogs everything down. SO...with all due respect slow down, wait for them to get the content out, THEN we can gripe and moan about whatever we want. o_o Edit: I'm not sure what good this post will do...but eh, worth a shot. Your face is something to shoot, so I will shoot. Don't be offended, I do it to everyone.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.02.05 10:55:00 - [67] - Quote >15 mil Sp >Thinks he can equate his experiences to the newberries Oh please, tell me more!
Exodeon Salviej the third day 35	Posted - 2014.02.05 11:01:00 - [68] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: >15 mil Sp >Thinks he can equate his experiences to the newberries Oh please, tell me more! You...missed my point. When I joined, I didn't compare my experience to the blueberries that run around going "Durr!" Granted...it's funny as hell sometimes(I'm such a horrible person), I do try to help. xD The reason I don't "equate" my experience when I joined is because my KDR was a 0.75 constant after I got out of academy. After three months, it jumped to 1.20, and after 7 months(being roughly now), it's jumping to 1.50(currently 1.34). I CAN'T compare my experience to them BECAUSE of that circumstance. Nonetheless, I do feel their pain because I get stomped just as hard as anyone else when there's a full squad of AE, FA, OH, or NS on the opposite team, and possibly even more than that. SO...person who thinks he can belittle me, SHOW ME YOUR SKILLS ON FORUM STOMPING! D:< Edit: I gave you like...you seem to be lacking in them. c; Your face is something to shoot, so I will shoot. Don't be offended, I do it to everyone.
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.02.05 11:09:00 - [69] - Quote Exodeon Salviej wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: >15 mil Sp >Thinks he can equate his experiences to the newberries Oh please, tell me more! You...missed my point. When I joined, I didn't compare my experience to the blueberries that run around going "Durr!" Granted...it's funny as hell sometimes(I'm such a horrible person), I do try to help. xD The reason I don't "equate" my experience when I joined is because my KDR was a 0.75 constant after I got out of academy. After three months, it jumped to 1.20, and after 7 months(being roughly now), it's jumping to 1.50(currently 1.34). I CAN'T compare my experience to them BECAUSE of that circumstance. Nonetheless, I do feel their pain because I get stomped just as hard as anyone else when there's a full squad of AE, FA, OH, or NS on the opposite team, and possibly even more than that. SO...person who thinks he can belittle me, SHOW ME YOUR SKILLS ON FORUM STOMPING! D:< Edit: I gave you like...you seem to be lacking in them. c; I understand what you are saying, but here's the thing. Do you think your experience 7 months ago is the same state of the game now? I know I sure as hell didn't see as many protos 7 months ago as I do now. It isn't about KDR, it's about being able to actually do anything to impact a battle. If you truly believe there is nothing wrong with the new player experience I challenge you and anyone else who agrees to roll a new character and ONLY use said character for a month. See how far your knowledge of the game gets you and see whether or not you can confidently say that new players aren't boned right now.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2199	Posted - 2014.02.05 11:10:00 - [70] - Quote This game takes a lot of time to actually get into. It's not like most games where you can just start playing and have fun right away. There's also a lot that isn't explained sure, but then again it's hard to introduce a new player to the huge amount of things to do in this game. One of these days I will eventually make a decent video for new players that should help give them a general idea about what all you can do in this game. The problem is, with the game not fully complete yet, there's a ton of content missing. So much of the game is unbalanced, and every time a major update comes out EVERYTHING CHANGES. Maybe that's the key to making a good tutorial for this game...figuring out what been here forever and best explaining the mechanics behind that. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!

TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.02.05 11:14:00 - [71] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: This game takes a lot of time to actually get into. It's not like most games where you can just start playing and have fun right away. There's also a lot that isn't explained sure, but then again it's hard to introduce a new player to the huge amount of things to do in this game. One of these days I will eventually make a decent video for new players that should help give them a general idea about what all you can do in this game. The problem is, with the game not fully complete yet, there's a ton of content missing. So much of the game is unbalanced, and every time a major update comes out EVERYTHING CHANGES. Maybe that's the key to making a good tutorial for this game...figuring out what been here forever and best explaining the mechanics behind that. The meta changes every update, wouldn't be much point as you can pretty much sum up what new players need to learn. "Whatever you like now might be broken tomorrow, don't get too attached." New players best bet is either saying screw the game and find your own fun leading to more QQ about useless blueberries or leave dust until it is either in a more stable state or closes down.
Bax Zanith 16	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:30:00 - [72] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Exodeon Salviej wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: >15 mil Sp >Thinks he can equate his experiences to the newberries Oh please, tell me more! You...missed my point. When I joined, I didn't compare my experience to the blueberries that run around going "Durr!" Granted...it's funny as hell sometimes(I'm such a horrible person), I do try to help. xD The reason I don't "equate" my experience when I joined is because my KDR was a 0.75 constant after I got out of academy. After three months, it jumped to 1.20, and after 7 months(being roughly now), it's jumping to 1.50(currently 1.34). I CAN'T compare my experience to them BECAUSE of that circumstance. Nonetheless, I do feel their pain because I get stomped just as hard as anyone else when there's a full squad of AE, FA, OH, or NS on the opposite team, and possibly even more than that. SO...person who thinks he can belittle me, SHOW ME YOUR SKILLS ON FORUM STOMPING! D:< Edit: I gave you like...you seem to be lacking in them. c; I understand what you are saying, but here's the thing. Do you think your experience 7 months ago is the same state of the game now? I know I sure as hell didn't see as many protos 7 months ago as I do now. It isn't about KDR, it's about being able to actually do anything to impact a battle. If you truly believe there is nothing wrong with the new player experience I challenge you and anyone else who agrees to roll a new character and ONLY use said character for a month. See how far your knowledge of the game gets you and see whether or not you can confidently say that new players aren't boned right now. I made an alt this morning, new psn account and everything. I then proceeded to pretend to know nothing of dust in an effort to test the tutorials. It took me five minutes tops the finish the most vague tutorial iv ever seen. It didnt tell me how dropsuits worked, it just told me to press buttons. The first two games I played as the alt went well, because everyone had starder fittings and the only variable was player skill alone. Match three, was a five minute proto stomp. I then joined a squad and asked them noob questions. They gave me miss information. I asked "what is a dropship?" They told me I could give other players vehicles with it. "How do you get a strike?" They said you need a special fitting for it. If ccp thinks the kindness of strangers will help newbarries, then they clearly havent seen that many MMOs. Iv made a free triel account for eve. The tutorial was more helpfull then dust's tutorial. Newbsrries need more time to learn the basics of dust. I perpose that a map should be made for newbarries. It will take place in a simmulater room on the station where Aura will use hologram mercs and/or drones to teach you about equipment, the fighting style of each race, the use of each slot on a dropsuit, and exactly how the skill tree works. Aura may also need to teach newbarries about squads, then have the new squad go into academy battles striclty limited to militia gear. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Sgt Buttscratch 1459	Posted - 2014.02.06 17:17:00 - [73] - Quote Today I was bored and thought I would make an academy character and go help some newer players, In academy the were fine, clueless but happy, we all graduated in 2 matches(I held back so they could at least 2 matches in academy. We start our 1st real game, A domination that eventually I end up on the winning side, problem is out of my 5 man squad, I was the only one who finished the match. 3 of them left after I told them this(stomp) would last longer than a few days, which was one of their questions "How long do will we be this weak?, is it days or weeks kinda thing?" ....... Months and months... 2 of them playing together said and i quote "well **** this" and left, the 3rd killed 2 people then get mashed by a rail rifle from miles away, and left battle, I messaged him, nothing. Last guy seemed to be real interested, asking a lot of questions about the different roles, by time he had his 5rd run in with the 4 enemy tanks running around, he said "Hey man thanks for the help, this is garbage. I just wanted to try it, peace" In conclusion, it's not fun for new players. A game HAS to be fun, NO.1 criteria for all games. IT MUST BE FUN. The survival of this game in the long run depends on capturing new players. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
TYCHUS MAXWELL Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:32:00 - [74] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Today I was bored and thought I would make an academy character and go help some newer players, In academy the were fine, clueless but happy, we all graduated in 2 matches(I held back so they could at least 2 matches in academy. We start our 1st real game, A domination that eventually I end up on the winning side, problem is out of my 5 man squad, I was the only one who finished the match. 3 of them left after I told them this(stomp) would last longer than a few days, which was one of their questions "How long will we be this weak?, is it days or weeks kinda thing?" ....... Months and months... 2 of them playing together said and i quote "well **** this" and left, the 3rd killed 2 people then get mashed by a rail rifle from miles away, and left battle, I messaged him, nothing. Last guy seemed to be real interested, asking a lot of questions about the different roles, by time he had his 5th run in with the 4 enemy tanks running around, he said "Hey man thanks for the help, this is garbage. I just wanted to try it, peace" In conclusion, it's not fun for new players. A game HAS to be fun, NO.1 criteria for all games. IT MUST BE FUN. The survival of this game in the long run depends on capturing new players. I think CCP has pretty much decided on just letting them fend for themselves, for some reason they think every game they make can be treated like Eve and they are going to ride this sinking ship to the edge of the Earth. Considering how many games they keep dropping and flopping you would think by now they would figure out you can't just copy paste the Eve experience to other Genres. Eve is fun in the same way Voyage Century is fun or Starport Galactic Empires (those games are free world pvp with sailing ships and space ships respectively and the vets gank/beat up the new guys) Even Runescape would use a wild system or WoW's PVP servers for ganking, but all those games I mentioned including Eve had shelters for new players (like Eve's high sec.) I haven't seen another online genre where ganking can float the main appeal like they keep trying to float with Dust.
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 212	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:20:00 - [75] - Quote New players are simply content for the aur purchasing vets, this is what you people wanted.


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