DUST Search - My experience with a new player

Nothing Certain wrote:

Leonid Tybalt wrote:

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:

OUCH is right...

I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so...

but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same.

while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them.

Dito.

I wanna play against, and help committed people.

Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care.

I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter?

I'm glad you are not a quitter or a whiner and are up to a challenge, so why not make a fitting that you can only expect to go 2/12 in? If you play in that and improve your game and not resort to playing in your better gear then I'll admit you are right , but right now all I see is whining that you don't want to do that and just want to stomp because you were stomped.

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Eberk Baldek Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:37:00 - [31] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Newberry said he felt as if her couldn't even get a shot off before he was dead. He complained on how other players could "eat" his bullets but for some reason their rounds were doing far more damage to him. This poor newberry was running around in starter militia medic suit going against Ishukone RR's and Boundless CR's - HE HAD NO CHANCE. Once upon a time I used to invite the occasional player to DUST 514, but they all felt pretty much like "Newberry". Their bullets did nothing against the enemy. I'm actually breaking in a new weapon myself now and I still get the same sort of feeling even though my suit skills are pretty good.
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:48:00 - [32] - Quote Replace the current tutorial with a new version of the Way of the Mercenary video.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 225	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:00:00 - [33] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter?
Kharga Lum Arcana Imperii Ltd. Northern Army. 281	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:12:00 - [34] - Quote The elimination of tiers (Proposed by CSM) would help a lot with this issue.
Damian Crisis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 14	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:12:00 - [35] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter? Actually I double agree. It's honestly what makes the Eve Universe so unique. The hardcore instantly on makes it a very unique and mature game. Popularity is not an attribute of a Scout, unless it's the afterlife.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:18:00 - [36] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter? I'm glad you are not a quitter or a whiner and are up to a challenge, so why not make a fitting that you can only expect to go 2/12 in? If you play in that and improve your game and not resort to playing in your better gear then I'll admit you are right , but right now all I see is whining that you don't want to do that and just want to stomp because you were stomped.
CHECHOWOMAN X EDEN HISPANO XXX Zero-Day 8	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:19:00 - [37] - Quote One thing is clear, if you are a novice, recommend a fat suit and rifle gauus, with the initial 500,000 sp is caught, will be the only way not to leave the game at first and may make war, that to me is the initial suit for novice ... And starting from there with time you get to the rest ... These rookies have to go through what my also metoco pass (am "CHECHOMAN") and took only slightly more than 6 months, and a month ago is when I started to struggle with skinny suit, I have the pro logistical ak.0 and ck.0 by aurum or loyalty points, sentry pro ak.0 open the logistical pro gk.0, skinny and now I can give war veterans ... Time has cost me, and it was time, it is not only make the costume as you know, I do not sack suit, without having all well since then I have everything in the suit is a level 5 ... And his passive skills also increases ... Right now I am about 22,000,000 sp, and pg (2,200,000 war points). One thing is clear, now ccp, would have to give a new vlon created no less than 2,000,000 sp. That's my opinion, a greeting from Spain ... Flamenco, bullfighting and ole! Hahaha " EDEN HISPANO XXX " recluta y la alianza " ZERO-DAY " los mas simpaticos ! para alguna de las 2 opciones " CHECHOMAN "
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1167	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:36:00 - [38] - Quote How is this new? Pro tip on how to not be a new player repellant: Dont use f'cking proto in pub matches. It-¦s as simple as that. Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 225	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:10:00 - [39] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter? I'm glad you are not a quitter or a whiner and are up to a challenge, so why not make a fitting that you can only expect to go 2/12 in? If you play in that and improve your game and not resort to playing in your better gear then I'll admit you are right , but right now all I see is whining that you don't want to do that and just want to stomp because you were stomped. I run bpo-fits 90 % of the time. Kinda hard to "stomp" when your dropsuit, modules and weapons are all basic tier...
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 225	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:17:00 - [40] - Quote Damian Crisis wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OUCH is right... I feel sorry for the kid, but we all had to go through that, (or at least I did.) I started out getting scores like 2/10 and considering that a good match. I was also in a scout suit so... but I got better by STICKING with it and forcing myself to get better. needless to say, through a year of practice, I can honestly consider myself a good player. I feel a lot of vets can say the same. while I run proto scout almost 24/7, I also train newbies in my corp quite often as well. this is what vets should do more often. help the newbies instead of always stomping them. Dito. I wanna play against, and help committed people. Quitters and whiners can all just leave the game for all I care. I stuck with it, despite horrendous adversity. Why the hell should I care about newb crybabies who think they should get everything served to them on a silver platter? Actually I double agree. It's honestly what makes the Eve Universe so unique. The hardcore instantly on makes it a very unique and mature game. You said it. Too many multiplayer games are over-populated with loud-mouthed, snotty teenage boys with the attentionspan of a palsied 4-year old. The hardcore nature of the Eve universe only serve to keep them out. And I for one am thankful for it. Trying to make New Eden "more accessible to the broader public" would only hurt the game.

axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 195	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:49:00 - [41] - Quote Let's all pitch in and donate to the new kid! The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3481	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:54:00 - [42] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: There is a player out there named Eirik Yassavi. No, he is not an alt of mine, he is a brand new player I've been playing with. He started out very frustrated, but after just a few days he got up to using basic advanced heavy frames with the MH-82 and is having a good time. There's definitely problems with the NPE, but as far as new players not being able to do anything in public matches that to me is more of an issue of PC players wanting to play highly competitive in their best gear but having no place to do so at (PC is effectively shutdown with district locking, FW is a one-sided joke with poor payouts). I sent him gg mail the other day thinking he was your alt But he's a nice person :) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Duke Noobiam Da Short Buss Driving School 14	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:00:00 - [43] - Quote I also try to help "newberries" (although I only play with adults). When discussing the new player experience, I usually tell them the following... 1. Join a learner corp "DUST University" etc. 2. Stick to Skirmish mode so that... - You run into less proto-stomping. - You can achieve war-points more easily/safely. 3. Run in squads. 4. Be patient, try to not worry too much about your KDR. 5. If you quit, come back in 6 months and your character will have 4 million SP which will make the game more fun. These are far from perfect, but they help the "new player experience" somewhat. When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 372	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:13:00 - [44] - Quote I had a similar experience with my sons. Baby boy is 12 and his kid bro is 8. I used to peel around in my limbus and they would hack stuff while i covered them. It was sweet being able to have mobile cover and teach them about supressive fire. I had a great time. They even saved my Darken mobile and picked me up at the ground spawn. They needed some one to look out for them and fill them in on everything. Putting them against competetive teams like Imperfects and Hellstorm just made them want to quit. Back then you could get camped alot easier. You would get killed before you even fully spawned in. Neither of my boys still play. It stopped being fun for them and skilling up took to long. They couldnt handle the grind without a squad of Wolves watching their back, so they never played when i was at work. It is a damn shame there is no relief from corps like NS and STB who rock the best gear 24/7. Its their right because they started earlier. They found a way to take advantage of CCPs apathy for the NPE. It is the same when I grab guys fresh out of the academy. They have no clue and are just fodder for pubstompers. There are a bunch of players willing to help these new guys but no real effective way of succeeding. We need things like a referral system after the academy. An academy that is useful. A check and balance to match making. Perhaps an option for corp squads to fight other corp squads. You will always have douchebags that prey on newbs, but a place for corps to have good matches against other corps is needed. Who wants some?
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals General Tso's Alliance 172	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:27:00 - [45] - Quote The assumption that proto stompers are looking for a challenge is a falacy. It is for the advantage, period. The fact that most of them have so much isk that it doesnt matter is the other half of the problem. I keep saying Faction Warfare is the place where high end players need to be playing. Right now i see the oppisite, proto in pubs and militia/standard in FW.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 8926	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:37:00 - [46] - Quote If major, major things are not done to fix the NPE soon, this game will die or else not be worth saving. I am quite serious. New players are the lifeblood of games. It is absolutely critical that they are supported and taught and given a fair chance. It is completely unacceptable for them to be thrown in against people with three times their HP, twice as much range, and twice as much damage as them without even being taught what the gamemodes are. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 175	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:50:00 - [47] - Quote I've always regarded myself as fortunate in this game. Having first arrived in mid summer, I was just on the last end of being able to have enough SP accumulated in academy to compete in regular matches and even PC. The rest of the game I learned all myself, had no help from anybody in any corp, nor even any squads. I first started squadding up in late October and first actually decided to join a real corp back in December. Never even read these forums until late November. Sadly, new guys just don't have a chance today. 400 WP or whatever it is for Academy is just a suicide mission. It was 12,000 when I was around and protostomp pubs were only a moderate occurrence. I still feel for the new guys when I'm in pubs and I see the bottom of the boards with guys going 0/10, 2/17, etc. A lot of them aren't going to spend all the time trying to build up skills and ISK either. My recommendation is to just extend Academy for a decent length of time, and/or establish a secondary Academy for people who are at a certain SP level to avoid stomping of new players. At the current rate we'll just never have a large new player base and that's something we're all going to have to live with for the time being I think. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 175	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:56:00 - [48] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If major, major things are not done to fix the NPE soon, this game will die or else not be worth saving. I am quite serious. New players are the lifeblood of games. It is absolutely critical that they are supported and taught and given a fair chance. It is completely unacceptable for them to be thrown in against people with three times their HP, twice as much range, and twice as much damage as them without even being taught what the gamemodes are. I agree 100% with your assessment. Couldn't have said it better. Eventually this game will fade out as more and more of the old guard leaves for whatever reason and the player base slowly decreases, sad as it is. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1375	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:40:00 - [49] - Quote The idea that we all had to go through stomping is BS. If you were here early enough nobody had the wealth or SP to run full proto in every match. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 412	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:42:00 - [50] - Quote WELCOME TO HELL KID ! sooo a who dragged you down here ? Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!

steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2246	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:43:00 - [51] - Quote iv been screaming this for months that new players had no chance though no fault of thier own but apparently i was over reacting . the simple fact is a gear lock needs to be put on pub matches it is the only way to stop facestomping. no ammount of matchmaking is going to fix i have a proto rifle and you dont "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 194	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:45:00 - [52] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: If major, major things are not done to fix the NPE soon, this game will die or else not be worth saving. I am quite serious. New players are the lifeblood of games. It is absolutely critical that they are supported and taught and given a fair chance. It is completely unacceptable for them to be thrown in against people with three times their HP, twice as much range, and twice as much damage as them without even being taught what the gamemodes are. 100% agreed. Meta-level capped matches are the best short-term solution, in my opinion. While other options like tiercide are viable long term, something needs to be done in short order to make the NPE better. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
Damian Crisis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 16	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:49:00 - [53] - Quote I'm probably a newbie since like a week and a half ago. I have no complaints. I knew what I was getting myself into. Popularity is not an attribute of a Scout, unless it's the afterlife.
IG8T8 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 3	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:47:00 - [54] - Quote bleh I go +kdr and +w/l running militia/basic gear with ~4 mil sp. make academy last longer and you rob the player base from the game proper, same goes for adding PVE. its a niche game, unique and not for everyone. if i did anything to level the playing field i'd handicap FW with meta restrictions depending on faction dominance.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1833	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:01:00 - [55] - Quote Oooh just reading that reminded me of myself, wish I meet the kid I would of gave him some isk to get started. New born sAMARRi
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 165	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:23:00 - [56] - Quote We should all try to keep public squads up titled and geared to attracting new players and helping them out. I usually run one called "Noob-friendly Pubs" that gets surprisingly good traffic, as it seems new players do actually use Squad Finder. Have had several vets pop in looking to help, as well. If everyone in this thread did something similar, we could have squads up all day offering info/advice/lessons across the spectrum and be of great service to the playerbase.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt 362	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:40:00 - [57] - Quote I'm not surprised about that ouch part.. It's what I did too when i started playing Dust after the first few battles.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 512	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:52:00 - [58] - Quote In EVE when you create a new character you get accelerated training up to a certain amount of SP. (Or at least you did.) Extend the academy and have triple xp up to a few million. Make it clear that once you leave the academy SP accrual will be normalized before boosters. I threw together an alt and was out of the academy in 1 1/2 matches, first death out of academy was to a proto suit. That is no way to retain new people, for every one that presses on more move on. I know New Eden is a harsh place, but there is no Highsec to fumble around in while you learn the game and skill up to a competitive level, dust needs something aside from being thrown straight to the fire. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 129	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:27:00 - [59] - Quote Great idea about the starter squads, maybe an advice based channel to invite ppl to? Is dust uni still tutoring players?
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 35	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:52:00 - [60] - Quote Better matchmaking or prohibiting proto gear from public matches would be the best course of action. I feel sorry for the new player, it's tough to go against a team of protos. One or two aren't that bad. Tactics and teamwork could still overcome proto users. Get in a squad and everyone start aiming for the same guy. Have one guy toss a flux grenade and then someone else a locus grenade.



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