What I'm asking for is for CCP to make competitive gameplay viable for everyone, not just the elite few.

"FPS" is at most a genre, as little as merely a mechanical and user interface approach. (Extra Credits had a video where they criticize the way we think about game genres, but I can't remember which it was.) Eve Online integration isn't just a 'great feature'. CCP has said from the very beginning they want to create an in-depth, holistic science fiction universe. That's CCP's goal. Eve Online integration with Eve DUST514 isn't just a neat idea they are marketing, it's their foundation. If that integration is weak right now (which I'm not debating, it's horri-bad,) then that's what they need to be working on. Fundamental game mechanics(bugs, aim assist, balance, etc) and Eve Online integration should be their top to priorities if they are going to deliver on their vision.

I don't think I understand "not 1 min to shoot 1 player". Could you rephrase that statement?
By "just go all out and have some fun" do you mean 'without consequences beyond the cost of our lost suits."?

I don't have behind-the-scenes numbers, I only have my experience. But most of the time when I'm playing with my corp I have really enjoyable, competitive, public matches. I'm not even into advanced suits yet, nor advanced equipment other than +dams and submachine guns. People in my squads aren't bringing their proto suits to stomp the pubs. And these enjoyable, competitive matches, we only win about half of those.

So what I'm trying to say is you are asking for game design/mechanic changes to bring on competitive gameplay, and I am failing to see why those changes are necessary because I'm not failing to obtain competitive gameplay and I am not "elite few." (I suck at fps's, actually.)

"FPS" is at most a genre, as little as merely a mechanical and user interface approach. (Extra Credits had a video where they criticize the way we think about game genres, but I can't remember which it was.) Eve Online integration isn't just a 'great feature'. CCP has said from the very beginning they want to create an in-depth, holistic science fiction universe. That's CCP's goal. Eve Online integration with Eve DUST514 isn't just a neat idea they are marketing, it's their foundation. If that integration is weak right now (which I'm not debating, it's horri-bad,) then that's what they need to be working on. Fundamental game mechanics(bugs, aim assist, balance, etc) and Eve Online integration should be their top to priorities if they are going to deliver on their vision.

I don't think I understand "not 1 min to shoot 1 player". Could you rephrase that statement?
By "just go all out and have some fun" do you mean 'without consequences beyond the cost of our lost suits."?

However I don't see why you're point is at all related to corporation battles, I'm not sure if you were around when they were going on.

They were far preferable to PC as it let players actually play, no matter their class or rank.

You can talk about EVE integration and place yourself on your space-sim pedestal all day,

however it doesn't change the fact that players are not happy with the game. Something that was far better was removed and replaced with a crappier version that has lead people to quit and quite clearly uproar on the forums as we see daily.

I wasn't, no, which is why my very first post in this thread was asking about PC as compared to corp battles. I am trying to understand the request.
Incorporating a bit more of what you said below, let's see if I understand it better now:
you are highly-skilled (character and player skill), as is to some degree your corporation.
doing pub matches doesn't provide you challenge, as the reds don't practice any f*ing teamwork (my #1 issue).
you want to be able to setup matches with other people who are at your skill level for challenging game play.


There's a restriction for that in PC?


Hey, don't get personal, I am not being Eve Online-arrogant. There is no pedestal involved here.


This is where I'm different from 99% of people out there, and I accept that. I don't give 1 rat's behind about $$. CCP has a vision. They should be doing quality work while striving to that goal. If that goal is unpopular, even to the point of becoming a non-viable business, I would not suggest nor support the compromising of the goal. If it can't get market support, then their dream is simply not viable and it "fails" (from a business perspective.) But they shouldn't compromise their dream. And I take the same approach when it means that I'll have to quit playing a game because the designer's goals and my fun don't line up.

Eve Integration and all those Promo videos are what attacked most of the shooters here. Most of the shooter who have been here for a while love idea of Teamwork, Risk Vs Reward... I love it... But they can't expect the shooters to stick around for an indefinite period of time while they don't fix even the most basic things... ie: lag, framerate, DC in general....
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Once again Dust is a shooter first, so they fix the very basics of a shooter first...

As far as the actual restriction goes, no it is not physical. But as NAV has pointed out it means that a corporation has to grind 36 million ISK.
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I whole heartedly sympathize with CCP if that really is their dream, and I have not once suggested that they compromise it. I support PC, I think it needs to be fixed as it's a great concept. I never debated that they should strive from their dream, as that is what makes this game so rich. However, that being said, their dream is only accomplish-able if they have an audience, if they have players. I'm sure it's also their dream to have a large, adoring and growing fanbase. Perhaps it's also their dream to make a lot of money. One way or another, they can't achieve any of those dreams without appeasing the players and to at least some degree offering us what we want.

Well, almost all districs in PC are now locked. CCP better give us corp battles.

I can't really comment on most of those things. My preferred playstyle of FPSs is the campaign, so I'm not one to judge whether TTK is too low or too high. I really don't know much of anything about aim assist. Etc. FPSs make less than 10% of my game purchases. Clearly, they need to have all the basic bugs and elements of an FPS worked out. I can clearly see why some folks still consider Eve DUST to be in beta, despite it's official stance.

My involvement in this thread is really to get an understanding of what place corp battles have in the game design, and what's the driving force behind the request.

+1 for corp battles
+1 for ISK free no reward corp battles with the only reward being the corp standings
and
+1 for Eve/Dust deeper integration

+1 for corp battles
+1 for ISK free no reward corp battles with the only reward being the corp standings
and
+1 for Eve/Dust deeper integration

Let me get his straight, no isk loss from suit loss in CBs? If so, what would stop cheese tactics...

never said anything about not losing ISK when you die...
there are still pubs and FW to earn some gear
but the corp battles would be only for standings aka rated matches in other games

Hell make it a Harcore Version... No minimap, no scanners... Definitely No AIM ASSIST

Hell make it a Harcore Version... No minimap, no scanners... Definitely No AIM ASSIST

No scanners? That's kinda what this game is about. But, you could get rid of the mini map and scans then show up as bright red carrots on your screen still. No AA is fine too.

Hell make it a Harcore Version... No minimap, no scanners... Definitely No AIM ASSIST[

No scanners? That's kinda what this game is about. But, you could get rid of the mini map and scans then show up as bright red carrots on your screen still. No AA is fine too.

I'd love to fight most of the 1337 shooters without AA... Would be a good practice for me...

Signed.

I wasn't around for Corp battles, but this sounds like something I would like to see. I lead a small corp with some new players who don't yet understand this game. This sounds like a great way to get them trained. PC is not an option for us and won't be for a long while. Will be spreading this petition to the rest of my guys.

THIS MAN, CCP. THIS MAN IS EXACTLY WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT. This is who needs Corp battles!

Agreed +1

I would enjoy this more than random pubs all the time. The inconsistencies are the biggest issue with pubs.

Agreed + 1... Let us help build a competitive group of mercs... Not just pub stomping crews.