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Ankbar Latrommi
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General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:25:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:Isn't the customer always right?
No. Oh my goodness, no. There aren't many more aggravating attitudes than a self-entitled consumer. Good products and good service != customer is always right.
843-BANE wrote:Corporation battles could save this game you know, or at least the competitive element. Bring back the fun, bring back the choice for US to call the shots on who we want to fight, when we want, for how much and for whatever motive. Gives us something to do other than proto stomp in public matches, right?
Maybe this question would be better asked on your feedback thread, but isn't this what PC is about?
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:59:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:CCP lose customers every day because they ignore what the community wants in favour of some crappy EVE integration. We are gamers, and we are entitled to what we're promised - fun.
Well, we'll have to disagree here then. See that inequality statement in my sig down there? I'm totally in favor of throwing any or every FPS convention out of the window if it means bringing integration with Eve Online. If you want a run-of-the-mill FPS (I don't mean moderate quality, I mean normal ideas), go over yonder to another game. That's my opinion. If that's how you get fun, then that's what you should do. Eve Online isn't for everyone, and I see no reason why Eve Dust514 should be any different. If all I wanted was sci-fi fps, I'd continue playing Halo.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:21:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:FPS is still the Main focus in Dust. Eve integration is a great Feature. But right now it doesn't have any proper useful value.. Other than the fact that it's Cool... FW, good change, but could've been better. We could've seen changes made in the starmap and so on, received better payouts and bonuses. But currently it's an ISK sink... May be in the Future... Currently that integration has as much influence on dust as Plasma cannon has to infantry...
PC well, currently it's worth playing... FPS players wants competitive battles, not 1 min to shoot 1 player... Corp battles allowed us to just go all out and have some fun...
"FPS" is at most a genre, as little as merely a mechanical and user interface approach. (Extra Credits had a video where they criticize the way we think about game genres, but I can't remember which it was.) Eve Online integration isn't just a 'great feature'. CCP has said from the very beginning they want to create an in-depth, holistic science fiction universe. That's CCP's goal. Eve Online integration with Eve DUST514 isn't just a neat idea they are marketing, it's their foundation. If that integration is weak right now (which I'm not debating, it's horri-bad,) then that's what they need to be working on. Fundamental game mechanics(bugs, aim assist, balance, etc) and Eve Online integration should be their top to priorities if they are going to deliver on their vision.
I don't think I understand "not 1 min to shoot 1 player". Could you rephrase that statement?
By "just go all out and have some fun" do you mean 'without consequences beyond the cost of our lost suits."?
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:26:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:What I'm asking for is for CCP to make competitive gameplay viable for everyone, not just the elite few.
I don't have behind-the-scenes numbers, I only have my experience. But most of the time when I'm playing with my corp I have really enjoyable, competitive, public matches. I'm not even into advanced suits yet, nor advanced equipment other than +dams and submachine guns. People in my squads aren't bringing their proto suits to stomp the pubs. And these enjoyable, competitive matches, we only win about half of those.
So what I'm trying to say is you are asking for game design/mechanic changes to bring on competitive gameplay, and I am failing to see why those changes are necessary because I'm not failing to obtain competitive gameplay and I am not "elite few." (I suck at fps's, actually.)
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:49:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:However I don't see why you're point is at all related to corporation battles, I'm not sure if you were around when they were going on.
I wasn't, no, which is why my very first post in this thread was asking about PC as compared to corp battles. I am trying to understand the request.
Incorporating a bit more of what you said below, let's see if I understand it better now:
you are highly-skilled (character and player skill), as is to some degree your corporation.
doing pub matches doesn't provide you challenge, as the reds don't practice any f*ing teamwork (my #1 issue).
you want to be able to setup matches with other people who are at your skill level for challenging game play.
843-BANE wrote:They were far preferable to PC as it let players actually play, no matter their class or rank.
There's a restriction for that in PC?
843-BANE wrote: You can talk about EVE integration and place yourself on your space-sim pedestal all day,
Hey, don't get personal, I am not being Eve Online-arrogant. There is no pedestal involved here.
843-BANE wrote:however it doesn't change the fact that players are not happy with the game. Something that was far better was removed and replaced with a crappier version that has lead people to quit and quite clearly uproar on the forums as we see daily.
This is where I'm different from 99% of people out there, and I accept that. I don't give 1 rat's behind about $$. CCP has a vision. They should be doing quality work while striving to that goal. If that goal is unpopular, even to the point of becoming a non-viable business, I would not suggest nor support the compromising of the goal. If it can't get market support, then their dream is simply not viable and it "fails" (from a business perspective.) But they shouldn't compromise their dream. And I take the same approach when it means that I'll have to quit playing a game because the designer's goals and my fun don't line up.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:00:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Eve Integration and all those Promo videos are what attacked most of the shooters here. Most of the shooter who have been here for a while love idea of Teamwork, Risk Vs Reward... I love it... But they can't expect the shooters to stick around for an indefinite period of time while they don't fix even the most basic things... ie: lag, framerate, DC in general....
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Once again Dust is a shooter first, so they fix the very basics of a shooter first...
I can't really comment on most of those things. My preferred playstyle of FPSs is the campaign, so I'm not one to judge whether TTK is too low or too high. I really don't know much of anything about aim assist. Etc. FPSs make less than 10% of my game purchases. Clearly, they need to have all the basic bugs and elements of an FPS worked out. I can clearly see why some folks still consider Eve DUST to be in beta, despite it's official stance.
My involvement in this thread is really to get an understanding of what place corp battles have in the game design, and what's the driving force behind the request.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:05:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:As far as the actual restriction goes, no it is not physical. But as NAV has pointed out it means that a corporation has to grind 36 million ISK.
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I whole heartedly sympathize with CCP if that really is their dream, and I have not once suggested that they compromise it. I support PC, I think it needs to be fixed as it's a great concept. I never debated that they should strive from their dream, as that is what makes this game so rich. However, that being said, their dream is only accomplish-able if they have an audience, if they have players. I'm sure it's also their dream to have a large, adoring and growing fanbase. Perhaps it's also their dream to make a lot of money. One way or another, they can't achieve any of those dreams without appeasing the players and to at least some degree offering us what we want.
Ah, I get the PC restriction now. I think this might be better balanced as they work on Eve-O integration, as quite frankly if an alliance wants mercs to protect their planets....well we're called "mercenaries" for a reason...
I see what you're saying in that latter paragraph. I think this is one of the places that CCP has bungled things from day 1 of Eve-O. Their "this will make people happy" priorities feel like they're coming from an 8-ball. Completely out of touch a lot of the time. And what they decided to prioritize in regards to PC and corp battles sounds like one of those times again.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:09:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:And if PC becomes less popular due to corp battles, doesn't that reflect what the community wants?
Only after they have properly integrated the games. How many more people would play PCs if that was the way you could shoot down ships in Eve-O? (not entirely a rhetorical question)
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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