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NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:28:00 -
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Bump! Signed and Whatever this Needs :) |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:32:00 -
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Back on top |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:55:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:Bumping for visibility. Will be doing so throughout today and tomorrow then I'll leave it o7
Been there done that lol |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:11:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:NAV HIV wrote:843-BANE wrote:Bumping for visibility. Will be doing so throughout today and tomorrow then I'll leave it o7 Been there done that lol And I thank you for your support :D We must all work together for this! Show CCP that we are a unified voice when it comes to corporation battles.
But i guess we have to start another thread with NERF infront of it... That seems to do the work here |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:15:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:NAV HIV wrote:843-BANE wrote:NAV HIV wrote:843-BANE wrote:Bumping for visibility. Will be doing so throughout today and tomorrow then I'll leave it o7 Been there done that lol And I thank you for your support :D We must all work together for this! Show CCP that we are a unified voice when it comes to corporation battles. But i guess we have to start another thread with NERF infront of it... That seems to do the work here Lmao, what I originally did was have a title like "SHOCKING QUOTE FROM CCP" Because that'll get the Devs running over here in their boxers. I didn't, however, want to ruin the image of what I want to achieve! x)
LOL Or you could say LEAKED CCP notes for 1.8 |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:27:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:Jake Bloodworth wrote:I seriously doubt corp battles will be reintroduced with PC in its current state. If you want real competition, PC is where CCP wants you. Corp battles would make PC and the current district locking less desirable to many corps. CCP is already facing a huge problem with the wealth PC corps are accumulating... Risk free. Corp battles would only make this problem worse as many corps would rather make money from winning corp battles then defending PC districts. You think Eve has a big blue donut... Dust PC would be worse. The sad truth right here. However it does not change my views.
They have stop that locking mechanism... Fix the lag... Fix the DC issues... Till then i'd stay away from it and would like to enjoy some no nonsense CORP vs CORP battles |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:44:00 -
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Bump CCP |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:09:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:843-BANE wrote:CCP lose customers every day because they ignore what the community wants in favour of some crappy EVE integration. We are gamers, and we are entitled to what we're promised - fun. Well, we'll have to disagree here then. See that inequality statement in my sig down there? I'm totally in favor of throwing any or every FPS convention out of the window if it means bringing integration with Eve Online. If you want a run-of-the-mill FPS (I don't mean moderate quality, I mean normal ideas), go over yonder to another game. That's my opinion. If that's how you get fun, then that's what you should do. Eve Online isn't for everyone, and I see no reason why Eve Dust514 should be any different. If all I wanted was sci-fi fps, I'd continue playing Halo.
FPS is still the Main focus in Dust. Eve integration is a great Feature. But right now it doesn't have any proper useful value.. Other than the fact that it's Cool... FW, good change, but could've been better. We could've seen changes made in the starmap and so on, received better payouts and bonuses. But currently it's an ISK sink... May be in the Future... Currently that integration has as much influence on dust as Plasma cannon has to infantry...
PC well, currently it's worth playing... FPS players wants competitive battles, not 1 min to shoot 1 player... Corp battles allowed us to just go all out and have some fun... |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:40:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:NAV HIV wrote:FPS is still the Main focus in Dust. Eve integration is a great Feature. But right now it doesn't have any proper useful value.. Other than the fact that it's Cool... FW, good change, but could've been better. We could've seen changes made in the starmap and so on, received better payouts and bonuses. But currently it's an ISK sink... May be in the Future... Currently that integration has as much influence on dust as Plasma cannon has to infantry...
PC well, currently it's worth playing... FPS players wants competitive battles, not 1 min to shoot 1 player... Corp battles allowed us to just go all out and have some fun... "FPS" is at most a genre, as little as merely a mechanical and user interface approach. ( Extra Credits had a video where they criticize the way we think about game genres, but I can't remember which it was.) Eve Online integration isn't just a 'great feature'. CCP has said from the very beginning they want to create an in-depth, holistic science fiction universe. That's CCP's goal. Eve Online integration with Eve DUST514 isn't just a neat idea they are marketing, it's their foundation. If that integration is weak right now (which I'm not debating, it's horri-bad,) then that's what they need to be working on. Fundamental game mechanics(bugs, aim assist, balance, etc) and Eve Online integration should be their top to priorities if they are going to deliver on their vision. I don't think I understand "not 1 min to shoot 1 player". Could you rephrase that statement? By "just go all out and have some fun" do you mean 'without consequences beyond the cost of our lost suits."?
Eve Integration and all those Promo videos are what attacked most of the shooters here. Most of the shooter who have been here for a while love idea of Teamwork, Risk Vs Reward... I love it... But they can't expect the shooters to stick around for an indefinite period of time while they don't fix even the most basic things... ie: lag, framerate, DC in general....
Aim Assist?!!! AA is for people who love to call themselves FPS players but can't shoot at a building without assist... It's not very competitive... PC is stale and the mechanism isn't that great... Locking districts and hiding behind timers, Inducing lag issues (Yes we all know how it was done) to win battles... So please tell me, for a starting Corp who want's to get better and competitive what are they supposed to do?! Save 36 mil, buy a clone pack and attack some CORP? What would be the end result ? Lag, Framerate, in-battle DC... RAGE and lot of rage... Besides they aren't even gonna fight the corp they are attacking... So all in all it's not very competitive... Missing the main focus from the FPS bit... With Corp battle we could do a battle for as low as 100k and have some good all out fight and practice to get into PC one day when it's worth getting into again...
1 min to shoot 1 player... Play any other competitive FPS and see how long a person can survive in a battle ?! Here people start crying over TTK if they are dead within 5 seconds of an encounter. They don't wanna use cover and stay alive for the longest time... These aren`t battleship vs battleship encounters...But people expect them to be so. That isn't my idea of proper EvE integration... I`m sure EvE players wouldnt like it +¼f it took them 5 seconds to blow up a ship... (excuse my knowledge on EvE there)
Once again Dust is a shooter first, so they fix the very basics of a shooter first... |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:04:00 -
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Well The designers have a one of a kind, wonderful Goal... Trust me, we are still here spending AUR and playing this because We are still hoping this game to deliver what was promised... Eve integration an all is fine, but i'm not a EvE player... I don't have the time to play EvE honestly along with Dust... Or else i would've... But there are few things that irritates me though...
- Making an Alliance... Why is it only limited to EvE players ?! Us Dust players who don't have an EvE account should be allowed to make an alliance too and invite EvE corps to join us... Not just one sided business...
- Comms... EvE comms are much more efficient than Dust. Even till this day i have to log in to my Alt to get my Comms to Work... ( i have over 1.5 mil SP on my alt by doing this)
- Don't rely on EvE shooters all the time for weapon and gameplay balancing... It's like asking a PC player to Balance the DS3 controller or asking Dust players tr y and balance/fix issues in EvE... (btw even with 100% on Both X and Y, the movement and controls are too slow for my taste personally)
- Player Market : Well it's lolMarket
- Not enough rewards for the risk taken. I make the same amount of ISK if not more with standard gear, than i do with Proto... Just an example: Goin 14-9 against full proto team... My pay out was 162k isk ?! WHAT ?!
they say dust is a F2P Multiplayer Shooter... Not just Dust-EvE integration... So it would be nice if they would focus on fixing the core gameplay too... make it enjoyable atleast... I would rather have Lag Free militia Battle than Laggy Proto weapon battles |
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NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:25:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Eve Integration and all those Promo videos are what attacked most of the shooters here. Most of the shooter who have been here for a while love idea of Teamwork, Risk Vs Reward... I love it... But they can't expect the shooters to stick around for an indefinite period of time while they don't fix even the most basic things... ie: lag, framerate, DC in general.... {...} Once again Dust is a shooter first, so they fix the very basics of a shooter first... I can't really comment on most of those things. My preferred playstyle of FPSs is the campaign, so I'm not one to judge whether TTK is too low or too high. I really don't know much of anything about aim assist. Etc. FPSs make less than 10% of my game purchases. Clearly, they need to have all the basic bugs and elements of an FPS worked out. I can clearly see why some folks still consider Eve DUST to be in beta, despite it's official stance. My involvement in this thread is really to get an understanding of what place corp battles have in the game design, and what's the driving force behind the request.
Corp Battle allows New Corps and Players to Get into the whole team based gameplay. Get a taste of What PC would feel like vs Fully organized Corps. Sometimes even take up Contracts against some of the best in the game to get some good practice in... They can Bring back Those Contracts and integrate it with FW may be ?! Use the Eve Dust link there ?! and make actual changes on the Starmap... trust me FPS players likes to see the Badge/Ribbon/Medal thingy lol... So Proper effect on Starmap and use of Eve ships and some decent return would be awesome... |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:33:00 -
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Zene Ren wrote:+1 for corp battles +1 for ISK free no reward corp battles with the only reward being the corp standings and +1 for Eve/Dust deeper integration
To simplify everything said... Yes to that ^ |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:42:00 -
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Zene Ren wrote:Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:Zene Ren wrote:+1 for corp battles +1 for ISK free no reward corp battles with the only reward being the corp standings and +1 for Eve/Dust deeper integration Let me get his straight, no isk loss from suit loss in CBs? If so, what would stop cheese tactics... never said anything about not losing ISK when you die... there are still pubs and FW to earn some gear but the corp battles would be only for standings aka rated matches in other games
Hell make it a Harcore Version... No minimap, no scanners... Definitely No AIM ASSIST |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:46:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Zene Ren wrote:Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:Zene Ren wrote:+1 for corp battles +1 for ISK free no reward corp battles with the only reward being the corp standings and +1 for Eve/Dust deeper integration Let me get his straight, no isk loss from suit loss in CBs? If so, what would stop cheese tactics... never said anything about not losing ISK when you die... there are still pubs and FW to earn some gear but the corp battles would be only for standings aka rated matches in other games Hell make it a Harcore Version... No minimap, no scanners... Definitely No AIM ASSIST No scanners? That's kinda what this game is about. But, you could get rid of the mini map and scans then show up as bright red carrots on your screen still. No AA is fine too.
I'd love to fight most of the 1337 shooters without AA... Would be a good practice for me... |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:54:00 -
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843-BANE wrote:Quote:Hell make it a Harcore Version... No minimap, no scanners... Definitely No AIM ASSIST[
No scanners? That's kinda what this game is about. But, you could get rid of the mini map and scans then show up as bright red carrots on your screen still. No AA is fine too. I'd love to fight most of the 1337 shooters without AA... Would be a good practice for me...
Same here. That would be awesome.[/quote]
I hope they make the DS3 controls and movement a bit quicker than what it is now... I usually feel like i'm a fat man trying to run and shoot very slowly... |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:06:00 -
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Well they are saying PC is Dead... Must be sign !!! |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:30:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:843-BANE wrote:Sparky1510 wrote:Signed.
I wasn't around for Corp battles, but this sounds like something I would like to see. I lead a small corp with some new players who don't yet understand this game. This sounds like a great way to get them trained. PC is not an option for us and won't be for a long while. Will be spreading this petition to the rest of my guys. THIS MAN, CCP. THIS MAN IS EXACTLY WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT. This is who needs Corp battles! Agreed +1 I would enjoy this more than random pubs all the time. The inconsistencies are the biggest issue with pubs.
Agreed + 1... Let us help build a competitive group of mercs... Not just pub stomping crews. |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:46:00 -
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Mikey The Bandaid wrote:Corp battles will eliminate the need for PFC. We all know how we at DL feel about PFC.
Everyone will have a fair chance at having some great battles. Regardless of their ties |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:03:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:Mikey The Bandaid wrote:Corp battles will eliminate the need for PFC. We all know how we at DL feel about PFC. Really? You can't win both PFC and Pubs. Where will the low tier players win? Corp battles are for players not as committed as PC players are. And if PC becomes less popular due to corp battles, doesn't that reflect what the community wants?
Agreed ^ |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2014.01.30 13:38:00 -
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Bump ! |
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