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843-BANE
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:21:00 -
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If you're wondering what I'm talking about, this thread has been active for a little while now and is still going strong, I advise checking it out. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137436
After over a week of bumping, 90 direct thread likes, 41 petition signatures and 15 solid pages of agreement and cheer I've FINALLY received an answer from.... IWS, the CPM. I fully appreciate his response and the acknowledgement from the CPM. However the rest of us may disagree with the comment made, this is progress. CCP HAVE read the plea and the thread, yet they refuse to comment or acknowledge it. I think we can show them why they should respond. Keep pushing, keep bumping, keep telling CCP what YOU want and what YOU think. After all, we are their customers.
Isn't the customer always right?
Corporation battles could save this game you know, or at least the competitive element. Bring back the fun, bring back the choice for US to call the shots on who we want to fight, when we want, for how much and for whatever motive. Gives us something to do other than proto stomp in public matches, right?
Allow the newer corporations and players the ability to compete. Give them the choice that they don't have right now. PC is NOT viable for newer corporations.
Thank you, keep supporting the thread o7
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:26:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Considering there are 15,000+ active dust members 41 is not that many people.
Nope, it's not. I know. But you know what that's still 41 people. And there definitely aren't 15,000 active forum readers.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:39:00 -
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Bumping for visibility. Will be doing so throughout today and tomorrow then I'll leave it o7
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:57:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:843-BANE wrote:Bumping for visibility. Will be doing so throughout today and tomorrow then I'll leave it o7 Been there done that lol
And I thank you for your support :D We must all work together for this! Show CCP that we are a unified voice when it comes to corporation battles.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:13:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:843-BANE wrote:NAV HIV wrote:843-BANE wrote:Bumping for visibility. Will be doing so throughout today and tomorrow then I'll leave it o7 Been there done that lol And I thank you for your support :D We must all work together for this! Show CCP that we are a unified voice when it comes to corporation battles. But i guess we have to start another thread with NERF infront of it... That seems to do the work here
Lmao, what I originally did was have a title like "SHOCKING QUOTE FROM CCP" Because that'll get the Devs running over here in their boxers. I didn't, however, want to ruin the image of what I want to achieve! x)
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:16:00 -
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Paha, then all I'd receive is hate ;-)
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:23:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:I seriously doubt corp battles will be reintroduced with PC in its current state. If you want real competition, PC is where CCP wants you. Corp battles would make PC and the current district locking less desirable to many corps. CCP is already facing a huge problem with the wealth PC corps are accumulating... Risk free. Corp battles would only make this problem worse as many corps would rather make money from winning corp battles then defending PC districts. You think Eve has a big blue donut... Dust PC would be worse.
The sad truth right here. However it does not change my views.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:45:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:843-BANE wrote:Isn't the customer always right? No. Oh my goodness, no. There aren't many more aggravating attitudes than a self-entitled consumer. Good products and good service != customer is always right. 843-BANE wrote:Corporation battles could save this game you know, or at least the competitive element. Bring back the fun, bring back the choice for US to call the shots on who we want to fight, when we want, for how much and for whatever motive. Gives us something to do other than proto stomp in public matches, right? Maybe this question would be better asked on your feedback thread, but isn't this what PC is about?
Normally I'd agree with you. However we are receiving quality below what we were promised, and I believe we are entitled to what we want on the game we pay and play. Of course we are entitled. The only reason Dust 514 lives is because of the people who play it. CCP lose customers every day because they ignore what the community wants in favour of some crappy EVE integration. We are gamers, and we are entitled to what we're promised - fun.
It's what PC is SUPPOSED to be about. I mean, hell. In PC you can't call the shots, you can barely choose who you want to fight because of locking and availability and you are compulsed to fight on the terms (timers) set out by your opponent. And it is a question proposed on my thread, I place it to GD for further visibility.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:11:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:843-BANE wrote:CCP lose customers every day because they ignore what the community wants in favour of some crappy EVE integration. We are gamers, and we are entitled to what we're promised - fun. Well, we'll have to disagree here then. See that inequality statement in my sig down there? I'm totally in favor of throwing any or every FPS convention out of the window if it means bringing integration with Eve Online. If you want a run-of-the-mill FPS (I don't mean moderate quality, I mean normal ideas), go over yonder to another game. That's my opinion. If that's how you get fun, then that's what you should do. Eve Online isn't for everyone, and I see no reason why Eve Dust514 should be any different. If all I wanted was sci-fi fps, I'd continue playing Halo.
I'd love EVE integration done right, but not at the expense of our enjoyment. I don't play EVE, no, I'm sure you play it somewhat for enjoyment, yes? That's why we play Dust, enjoyment. I don't want a run of the mil COD shooter, that's clearly not what I'm asking for. What I'm asking for is for CCP to make competitive gameplay viable for everyone, not just the elite few.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:27:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:NAV HIV wrote:FPS is still the Main focus in Dust. Eve integration is a great Feature. But right now it doesn't have any proper useful value.. Other than the fact that it's Cool... FW, good change, but could've been better. We could've seen changes made in the starmap and so on, received better payouts and bonuses. But currently it's an ISK sink... May be in the Future... Currently that integration has as much influence on dust as Plasma cannon has to infantry...
PC well, currently it's worth playing... FPS players wants competitive battles, not 1 min to shoot 1 player... Corp battles allowed us to just go all out and have some fun... "FPS" is at most a genre, as little as merely a mechanical and user interface approach. ( Extra Credits had a video where they criticize the way we think about game genres, but I can't remember which it was.) Eve Online integration isn't just a 'great feature'. CCP has said from the very beginning they want to create an in-depth, holistic science fiction universe. That's CCP's goal. Eve Online integration with Eve DUST514 isn't just a neat idea they are marketing, it's their foundation. If that integration is weak right now (which I'm not debating, it's horri-bad,) then that's what they need to be working on. Fundamental game mechanics(bugs, aim assist, balance, etc) and Eve Online integration should be their top to priorities if they are going to deliver on their vision. I don't think I understand "not 1 min to shoot 1 player". Could you rephrase that statement? By "just go all out and have some fun" do you mean 'without consequences beyond the cost of our lost suits."?
I agree that EVE integration is essential, it's the point of this game just about.However I don't see why you're point is at all related to corporation battles, I'm not sure if you were around when they were going on. They were far preferable to PC as it let players actually play, no matter their class or rank. You can talk about EVE integration and place yourself on your space-sim pedestal all day, however it doesn't change the fact that players are not happy with the game. Something that was far better was removed and replaced with a crappier version that has lead people to quit and quite clearly uproar on the forums as we see daily.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:29:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:843-BANE wrote:What I'm asking for is for CCP to make competitive gameplay viable for everyone, not just the elite few. I don't have behind-the-scenes numbers, I only have my experience. But most of the time when I'm playing with my corp I have really enjoyable, competitive, public matches. I'm not even into advanced suits yet, nor advanced equipment other than +dams and submachine guns. People in my squads aren't bringing their proto suits to stomp the pubs. And these enjoyable, competitive matches, we only win about half of those. So what I'm trying to say is you are asking for game design/mechanic changes to bring on competitive gameplay, and I am failing to see why those changes are necessary because I'm not failing to obtain competitive gameplay and I am not "elite few." (I suck at fps's, actually.)
Probably about... 1 in every 5 public matches I have are competitive. The other 4 are us redlining the enemy and just ******* around in LAVs because the redberries are just awful. That's not their fault. You can not for one second compare public matches to corporation battles, that tells me you don't really understand competitive matches in Dust. Have you played a proper corporation battle? Or even PC? There is no comparison to public battles.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:58:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:843-BANE wrote:However I don't see why you're point is at all related to corporation battles, I'm not sure if you were around when they were going on. I wasn't, no, which is why my very first post in this thread was asking about PC as compared to corp battles. I am trying to understand the request. Incorporating a bit more of what you said below, let's see if I understand it better now: you are highly-skilled (character and player skill), as is to some degree your corporation. doing pub matches doesn't provide you challenge, as the reds don't practice any f*ing teamwork (my #1 issue). you want to be able to setup matches with other people who are at your skill level for challenging game play. 843-BANE wrote:They were far preferable to PC as it let players actually play, no matter their class or rank. There's a restriction for that in PC? 843-BANE wrote: You can talk about EVE integration and place yourself on your space-sim pedestal all day, Hey, don't get personal, I am not being Eve Online-arrogant. There is no pedestal involved here. 843-BANE wrote:however it doesn't change the fact that players are not happy with the game. Something that was far better was removed and replaced with a crappier version that has lead people to quit and quite clearly uproar on the forums as we see daily. This is where I'm different from 99% of people out there, and I accept that. I don't give 1 rat's behind about $$. CCP has a vision. They should be doing quality work while striving to that goal. If that goal is unpopular, even to the point of becoming a non-viable business, I would not suggest nor support the compromising of the goal. If it can't get market support, then their dream is simply not viable and it "fails" (from a business perspective.) But they shouldn't compromise their dream. And I take the same approach when it means that I'll have to quit playing a game because the designer's goals and my fun don't line up.
As far as the actual restriction goes, no it is not physical. But as NAV has pointed out it means that a corporation has to grind 36 million ISK (This is a hell of a lot for some people) only to be wiped out by people far more experienced. This creates an atmosphere where only the elite can play
Apologies for the attack, I've had too many encounters with EVE players who view as COD-monkeys, I'm sure you don't, however.
I whole heartedly sympathize with CCP if that really is their dream, and I have not once suggested that they compromise it. I support PC, I think it needs to be fixed as it's a great concept. I never debated that they should strive from their dream, as that is what makes this game so rich. However, that being said, their dream is only accomplish-able if they have an audience, if they have players. I'm sure it's also their dream to have a large, adoring and growing fanbase. Perhaps it's also their dream to make a lot of money. One way or another, they can't achieve any of those dreams without appeasing the players and to at least some degree offering us what they want.
In fact they could create whatever EVE-lore behind corporation battles they want, have them as 'contracts' like they did before. We could still have EVE-OBs and all the cool stuff, just without all the crap-factory broken mechanics that reside in Molden Heath.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:11:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Well, almost all districs in PC are now locked. CCP better give us corp battles.
Hey that's an idea to get CCP to listen, compulse everyone to lock their districts in protest
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:44:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Zene Ren wrote:Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:Zene Ren wrote:+1 for corp battles +1 for ISK free no reward corp battles with the only reward being the corp standings and +1 for Eve/Dust deeper integration Let me get his straight, no isk loss from suit loss in CBs? If so, what would stop cheese tactics... never said anything about not losing ISK when you die... there are still pubs and FW to earn some gear but the corp battles would be only for standings aka rated matches in other games Hell make it a Harcore Version... No minimap, no scanners... Definitely No AIM ASSIST
Now we're talking!
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:49:00 -
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Quote:Hell make it a Harcore Version... No minimap, no scanners... Definitely No AIM ASSIST[
No scanners? That's kinda what this game is about. But, you could get rid of the mini map and scans then show up as bright red carrots on your screen still. No AA is fine too.
I'd love to fight most of the 1337 shooters without AA... Would be a good practice for me...[/quote]
Same here. That would be awesome.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:10:00 -
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The time is now!
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:22:00 -
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Sparky1510 wrote:Signed.
I wasn't around for Corp battles, but this sounds like something I would like to see. I lead a small corp with some new players who don't yet understand this game. This sounds like a great way to get them trained. PC is not an option for us and won't be for a long while. Will be spreading this petition to the rest of my guys.
THIS MAN, CCP. THIS MAN IS EXACTLY WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT. This is who needs Corp battles!
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:31:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:843-BANE wrote:Sparky1510 wrote:Signed.
I wasn't around for Corp battles, but this sounds like something I would like to see. I lead a small corp with some new players who don't yet understand this game. This sounds like a great way to get them trained. PC is not an option for us and won't be for a long while. Will be spreading this petition to the rest of my guys. THIS MAN, CCP. THIS MAN IS EXACTLY WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT. This is who needs Corp battles! Agreed +1 I would enjoy this more than random pubs all the time. The inconsistencies are the biggest issue with pubs. Agreed + 1... Let us help build a competitive group of mercs... Not just pub stomping crews.
Hell yeah.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:47:00 -
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CCP, let's go through your planets shall we?
Besateoden Meildolf - 10/10 districts locked
Eoldulf Ennur VI - 6/6 Districts locked Skarkon II - 5/5 Districts locked Mimiror - 8/8 Districts locked Osvetur V - 12/14 Districts locked (Die Valkyrja, respect)
Elfrard Klingt VI - 9/9 Districts locked Klingt VIII - 10/10 Districts locked Klingt X - 8/8 Districts locked Kadlina IV - 7/7 Districts locked Aeditide V - 11/11 Districts locked Aeditide VI - 12/12 Districts locked Egbinger VII - 7/7 Districts locked
That only covers 3 systems, the others are pretty much the same.
From scanning Molden Heath there are currently 8 districts from 3 corporations (Valor Coalition, Die Valk and third day) that aren't locked. Lol. 8 out of, what was it, 250?
Interesting. I could literally type out every single planet but it would just be repitiion. Go have a look
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:06:00 -
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Preach it!
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:15:00 -
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CCP responds. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1779432#post1779432
That's what we get, folks. A locked thread.
Keep pushing.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 21:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf has spoken! Check the orignial thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1779532#post1779532
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Posted - 2014.01.30 15:54:00 -
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Iw ill no longer be bumping or request Bumps for this situation, Hans from CPM has produced a good response that is useful, and the CPM are now responding well to us in discussion about Corp battles and the whole situation. We got we came for thus far o7
Thanks guys, this is what it took.
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