I've been wanting a Bill of Materials for a while now.

The Leadership, Production and Trade skill sets should all be copy-pasted from Eve as well (with minor adjustments for the Leadership Skills)

I for example don't like the Warframe PVE. I played this game only a little and it's getting very boring very fast (for me at last).
Killing drones and sunshas, hacking, carrying heavy stuff around, escort, and other stuff should be mixed in a interesting way.
Random loot for killing stuff would be nice as well. Random loot makes other games addicting and interesting as hell.
Having boss mob would be nice as well.

The PVE should be co-op oriented, heavy stuff but have a intelligent scaling.
Like if you have a 3 or 5 person squads but same mission, the difficulty could scale by choice and the loot and payout should scale as well.

You could even copy/past some eve missions and ideas. Like that you first have to find key cards to progress or having rare mobs drop keycards to rare missions. Random drops could be meta stuff, "isk drops", rare minerals, limited implants (like running 10% faster for 10 hours, 12%/12h, 18%/18h you get my point?

Here's a link to a thread I started on how PvE should be done in DUST. In short, we would be on wrecks in space scanned down by EVE pilots, fighting drones and competing merc teams. It's worth reading if you're interested in PvE. I'd love to hear any feedback in the linked thread if you have any thoughts.

Two types of PVE;

1) Mission PVE:
PVE where all players are friendly. Basically your High Sec PVE. Good for getting new players oriented to DUST combat.

2a) Open District PVE:
You que into a district as an individual or as a squad. Max 32 players in a district, or whatever the game can handle. Squad members are Green. Corp & Alliance members are Blue. Everyone else is yellow, until they shoot you, your squad, or your Corp/Alliance, at which point they turn Red for 5 minutes. (Oh, yeah, and there are Drone infestations. That is what you are officially supposed to be there for.)

2b) Open Corporate District PVE:
Corp members can enter districts owned by their Corp to hunt drones.

Mercs from other Corps can raid PC Districts. Cap on raiders is 12, and cap on defenders is 20, to give a home field advantage and to make it feel like a raid. Raiders donGÇÖt have clones on the surface, and Drop Uplinks donGÇÖt have the range to bring clones in from orbit. So raiders spawn about 500 m off the ground and have some control of their horizontal drift until they activate their inertial dampeners. If a CRU on the surface is hacked it gives the raiders access to 50 clones and the use of Drop Uplinks until those clones are used up.

Raiders can hunt drones or hunt PVEGÇÖers. Raiding should weaken a district's defenses, but not dramatically, and definitely not flip a district.

No time limit, but Raiders and Corp members are kicked out when a PC battle starts.


Edit: Might have to drop those caps to 6 attackers and 12 defenders. I was not taking Drones into account when I was considering how many active units would be on the field.

leadership could render some things a bit OP but if done right would make squad leader choice vital. i have all lv5 in leadership and commandships (all 4 races) at level 5 on my EVE char and ou can make a good fleet great witht he right choice.

but yeah teh trade and production skills could pretty much be moved straight over.
I've said the same about the dropsuits and weapons havign the ame damage tpes/resistances as the ships in EVE in order to finally help balance weapons correctly instead of just a flat +/- 10-20% we have now. and ou could even include resistance plating to really help assault/heavy guys out

leadership could render some things a bit OP but if done right would make squad leader choice vital. i have all lv5 in leadership and commandships (all 4 races) at level 5 on my EVE char and ou can make a good fleet great witht he right choice.

but yeah teh trade and production skills could pretty much be moved straight over.
I've said the same about the dropsuits and weapons havign the ame damage tpes/resistances as the ships in EVE in order to finally help balance weapons correctly instead of just a flat +/- 10-20% we have now. and ou could even include resistance plating to really help assault/heavy guys out

Hmm, give DUST characters the same manufacturing abilities as EVE players. They would have to create buy orders and currier contracts to get the materials moved to their system, but if enough of them started doing it, EVE pilots would start selling minerals at the 48 DUST stations, just because there would be a market there.

I thought that the whole point of Leadership skills was to make things OP.

Besides, it would help drive home the importance of Teamwork.

Only tweaks I'd make to the Leadership skills if it were up to me would be as follows:

Information Warfare: 2% bonus to Scan Precision/Range
Skirmish Warfare: 2% bonus to Movement Speed

Skirmish warfare would end up increasing Sprint speed as well by virtue of increasing movement speed. Make them effective across the entirety of the map as well, just as Leadership bonuses work across the entirety of the Solar System in Eve.

I doubt that the leadership skills would make things OP until we got Links and Command Dropsuits/Vehicles

This is what CCP said, and is what I want
Infestation mode
You search an entire district for rogue drone hives

+1 for PvEvP.

After rewatching that video it looks a lot like New Eden. Minmatar infiltrator with dreadlocks, cloaking, combat rifle and knife skills. It looks like a rogue drone factory too being run by the Caldari.

Add in a touch of Amarr near the end.

Two types of PVE;

1) Mission PVE:
PVE where all players are friendly. Basically your High Sec PVE. Good for getting new players oriented to DUST combat.

2a) Open District PVE:
You que into a district as an individual or as a squad. Max 32 players in a district, or whatever the game can handle. Squad members are Green. Corp & Alliance members are Blue. Everyone else is yellow, until they shoot you, your squad, or your Corp/Alliance, at which point they turn Red for 5 minutes. (Oh, yeah, and there are Drone infestations. That is what you are officially supposed to be there for.)

2b) Open Corporate District PVE:
Corp members can enter districts owned by their Corp to hunt drones.

Mercs from other Corps can raid PC Districts. Cap on raiders is 12, and cap on defenders is 20, to give a home field advantage and to make it feel like a raid. Raiders donGÇÖt have clones on the surface, and Drop Uplinks donGÇÖt have the range to bring clones in from orbit. So raiders spawn about 500 m off the ground and have some control of their horizontal drift until they activate their inertial dampeners. If a CRU on the surface is hacked it gives the raiders access to 50 clones and the use of Drop Uplinks until those clones are used up.

Raiders can hunt drones or hunt PVEGÇÖers. Raiding should weaken a district's defenses, but not dramatically, and definitely not flip a district.

No time limit, but Raiders and Corp members are kicked out when a PC battle starts.


Edit: Might have to drop those caps to 6 attackers and 12 defenders. I was not taking Drones into account when I was considering how many active units would be on the field.

Doing single clone survival horror style missions on board derelict ships and Sansha's Nation hide outs.

Dark flashing neon lighting, lots of empty corridors, sparking electrical coils, low menacing sounds.....randomised number of hidden, spawning enemies..... will there even be any present on the map at all? Will you find anything? What other horrors might you find on that vessel in the middle of dead space?

I would love to see this on the roadmap. It is a bit ambitious for phase 1 though.

so the new alien game but with drones

I want the ability to gank people who pve.

Go burn in hole

Oh man while Warframe has issues, it has some great moments! Play it on PC - have plenty of the rare weapons n ****.

There are some things CCP could take from warframe regarding co-op PVE. The PVP is sucky but thats not really what the game is about.

I would LOVE to have rare bosses! (Or officers as we call them in the EVE universe for all intents and purposes)

I like this, especially the part about random loot. Maybe there should be a Rogue Drone range of weapons/equipment that have some sort of special ability.

idk but id like mining to be added :) relaxing on top of a ridge with drones mining ore as i watch other players in active battles across the map.

My suggestion for PvE using existing maps/sockets (with a few tweaks):

Using a Skirmish mode, at the start of the match all the null cannons are owned by the drones, the team then has to clear the null cannon and capture it before moving on to the next. Once all null cannons are captured they begin to "flip" back to drone control forcing the team to retake them and fight more drones.

There is a drone MCC and player MCC, first to destroy MCC wins, or if the drones clone the players. You cannot clone the drones.

- First wave of drones are lights (i.e. at the start of the match).
- Second wave of drones when the null cannons begin to flip are a mix of lights/mediums.
- Third wave of drones will be a mix of mediums/heavies.
- etc.

Clearly certain sockets won't be usable (really CQC sockets), only "open" sockets.

There is no loot, just a decent amount of ISK as reward.

There are "levels" of difficulty for the dungeons which basically means there are higher number of spawns and the squad composition will be more mediums/heavies.

Thoughts?