sounds great, nobody believes me when I say minmatar arn't only shield tankers in EVE.

minmatar scout:
The minmatar scout will get the hack speed bonus, but besides that nova knives? really? Besides being papaer thin, its got absolutely no advantage on the battlefield.

nope, the nova knife bonus is great! a good nova knifer really apreciates this bonus, and in the description its supposed to be the best melee suit in the game... but with only 80 melee dmg however, the nova knife bonus means I dont need to fit a sidearm dmg mod saving VERY valuble cpu/pg.

im trying to get minmatar to reflect their eve counter parts, to hit hard, recover/repair fast and move fast.

right now they have the same punch as everone else, less ehp, no speed advantage, and no recoverability.

problem is the bonus doesn't give you extra range, since good nova knifers already have extra damage, and can move faster with a galente suit. its really not that big an advante.

besides nova knives are up anyway. so, UP + UP = mega UP. the hacking may help though... but surviving long enough to nova knife someone and hack objectives is asking alot.

besides nova knives are up anyway. so, UP + UP = mega UP. the hacking may help though... but surviving long enough to nova knife someone and hack objectives is asking alot.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137506
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1774559#post1774559

Above are various threads that suggest it, but now I am out right requesting a balance for the minmatar dropsuits vs other dropsuits.

Why the need?
Essentially the minmatar is the weakest suit in every class with only marginally higher movement speed (6%) and the lowest EHP (25% less than a caldari/galente suit). This is disproportionate. To make matters worse in order to have any surviability you have to add armor plates with brings your movement speed in line with galente and caldari suits with still lower ehp.
To compound the problem 1 basic kin cat can bridge the speed gap of any suit with the minmatar suit (of the same class) and still have more EHP. Aim assist further exacerbates the problem making a "speed advantage" (of .3m/s ) meaningless.

Many people talk about the glass cannon theory saying that minmatar are supposed to have damage mods tanked and that minmatar have powerful weapons. This theory is shattered by the simple facts that:
1.) any suit can tank damage mods and still have more EHP than a minmatar of the same class
2.) any suit can carry minmatar weapons and use them to the same effectivity (unlike Scr where the amarr bonus makes them the best lazer tech users).

So, in essence minmatar are the weakest in dust.

Balance based on EVE trends and logic

Since in EVE Amarr have the most armor and galente in relation to them have the fastest rep on armor. Caldari should have the highest total shielding but minmatar should have the fastest shield recharge.

Since in dust, Amarr are supposed to have the highest total passive EHP (unmodified), Minmatar on the opposite end of the balance beam should have the highest (unmodded) shield recharge and passive armor reps.

the general flow from an EHP standpoint should be:
Amarr > Caldari> Galente> minmatar

the general flow from a fastest recharge and highest innate rep standpoint should be:
Minmatar > galente > Caldari > Amarr


Some may argue that minmatar are not armo tankers and that armar and galente should be the only ones with passive reps from an EVE standpoint. However this is false, according to lore Minmatar had a very important role in the invention of the rep tool, their meduim assault suits are literally modified logistics/engineer suits. They by all means lorewise should have a passive armor regen.

Also consider galente need a passive armor regen because that is how they operate in EVE. Period.
Amarr in EVE do not rep. armor. The amarr phyolsophy in EVE, is to have so much overwhelming armor that you cannot destroy their ships, pretty much you'd run out of ammo. This should be carried over to dust. unmodded amar suits should have no passive armor rep.Same for caldari their fight at range. passive armor rep is unessesary.


3 things can balance the minmatar suit against the other dropsuits

the following are three things that can potentially balance minmatar suits:
[list]

Having the fastest shield recharge in its class ie 15-25% than caldari (whichever number is closer to a balance) (namely the rechaege of the next lightest class ie. minmatar medium frame having the shield recharge of a galente scout unmodified).

Having a passive armor rep. of 2-3hp/s. (remember they have lower ehp.. in a 1 on 1 gun fight this will not make a difference. but, from engagement to engagement this will help. Giving meaning to the minmatar "hit and run style of warefare)

Giving their suits on all tiers the same number of High slots as Low slots (3 and 3, 4 and 4 etc)*

By implementing these recommendations I feel certain balance can be had among the dropsuits.

*note: minmatar are suposed to be the most versitile race.



minmatar suit should have the folowing stats in this order.
minmatar scout = shield recharge delay 2 sec, shield recharge 45hp/s. inate armor rep 2hps

minmatar medium frame (assault and logi) = shield recharge delay 3 seconds, sheild recharge 40hp/s. innate armor rep. 2hp/s

minmatar heavy frame = shield recharge delay 3 seconds, shield recharge 40 hp/s. innate armor rep 2hp/s

Its not just the scout. The minmatar suit is worse in everyway to every suit of the same tier. and the stats for 1.8 dnt look too promising either. all I am asking for is for shield recharge, shorter recharge delay and an innate regen of some quantity above 1 but below 4hp/s. thats not a lot to ask.

minmatar heavy frame = shield recharge delay 3.5 seconds, shield recharge 40 hp/s. innate armor rep 2hp/s

Quick question:
Are you high? Better give my Amarr heavy a base armor rep of 12 for that. Dear lord you're delusional.

Edit with some reasoning:
You seem to completely negate properties of suits that aren't exactly represented in numbers or properties that are the result of a stat represented in numbers.

For example, Base walking speed. It allows you to move faster while not sprinting which leads to much better strafe speeds.

I've used both both Amarr and Minmatar assault and logistics suits and Minmatar suits aren't as bad as you guys think

@D legendary hero

So if CCP made these changes should people who skilled into other races because they did not like the current matari layout get a SP refund?

lets fix 'em

- Minmatar Assault: +5% to projectile light/sidearm and +1 to Minmatar explosive weaponry clip size per level.

- Minmatar Logistics: +10% to repair tool range and 5% to repair amount per level.

Matari medium suits are poised to become some of the best in 1.8

SOURCE: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1730418#post1730418

I'm up for the minmataar suit getting an upgrade, then i can use my actual race's dropsuits instead of caldari fits

its a matter of play style you cant compare two different suits because there designed to play differently. if you are struggeling with a min suit try rethinking how you approach a fight.

You are right. In fact minmatar logi's are indeed the weakest suit in the game because:

• they can't out run anything
• they have no seconday (which is weird because minmatar are supposed to have the most modular suits),
• they can't get higher EHP that most suits
• they really can't carry equipment

this list goes on but you get the point. on top of that, the same problems that plague the logi class in gneeral plague the minmatar logi. This is why minmatar suits need to be balanced.