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Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:32:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Marc Rime wrote:Shotguns have been a bit meh since Uprising 1.0 IMO. They're ok for killing starter fits, but anyone you don't OHK only needs to get a tiny bit of distance to be safe. Extremely limited range combined with the narrow field of view we have is really a pain. HA! i thought the same thing as you...until i started nova knifing... you don't know anything about "narrow field of view" or "extremely limited range" until you've stared nova knifing.
Which is why I don't :P. Honestly wonder why I insist on using the shotty from time to time too. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
520
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:52:00 -
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Cpl Foster USMC wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:A buddy of mine says he prefers more Rof for his shotgun. if he had more power, he wouldn't need more rounds... 
Yeah it is kinda stupid as most suits don't survive till the second shot. With the low TTK thanks to rifles and the very low optimal range paired with a harsh damage fall off, you better kill in one shot... |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
520
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:54:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:becuase shotguns can already inst-kill why do you need more damage?
Only on lucky shots honestly I most time nayone needs three shots to bring my std scout doen (thanks tto wanky HD and the SG beeing a laser precise weapon).
Currently the SG is only slightly better than Nova knifes... |
sira draco
Ancient Erectiles
60
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Posted - 2014.01.27 11:50:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:becuase shotguns can already inst-kill why do you need more damage?
not true, it only one shots scouts, other suits only if a headshot, mediums take 2 to 3, heavies take even more, and it has an optimal range of 1 meter, yeah 1 meter I'm not kidding |
Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1062
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:27:00 -
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@ Korvin
High end knives hit harder than high end SGs. As they should.
@ Sira
Optimal range is technically anything under 5M. Max damage is dealt at 1M.
@ IWS
The proficiency-based RoF increase is fine. Base statistics are arguably inadequate.
@ Checkmate
Think SG proficiency + assault RoF racial bonus. Jane and Annie would opt for Assault. |
Scar Scrilla
Cobra Kommando
80
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:32:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Just make a minmitar shotgun So you're signature tells me that you killed Archduke Ferdinand with nova knives? i'm pretty sure 100% he was shot. No the Serbians were just stupid enough to think those were bullet wounds... 
It happened in Sarajevo, Bosnia btw. So Bosnians didn't realize those were bullet wounds
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Cobra Kommander
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Cpl Foster USMC
South Carolina Dusties
535
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:32:00 -
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thanks for all the posts....
I only noticed because I was using those HK shottys we just got and I have an Alt that will go live soon and was thinking of going into shotguns...
i'm not now.....
South Carolina anyone..???..hello...???...anyone in SC play this shit..?!?!?..
No...?...guess I must be special then...
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
79
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:35:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Squagga wrote:I don't really care what you think of me or how prideful you are over your weapon. Your clone hitting the ground at the buisness end of my rifle is the only important thing to me If i see you in a match i will take out my nova knives and go for you and you alone, and with basic knives only as the ultimate embarrassement. You and your idiotic posts have finally given me a reason to pull out my knifer fit.
Bring it while you video it and then post it on the forums. I'll give you props
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
768
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:06:00 -
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sira draco wrote:darkiller240 wrote:becuase shotguns can already inst-kill why do you need more damage? not true, it only one shots scouts, other suits only if a headshot, mediums take 2 to 3, heavies take even more, and it has an optimal range of 1 meter, yeah 1 meter I'm not kidding
It can 1-2 shot mediums and 3 shot heavies
Also optimal range is 4-5 meters |
DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
107
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Posted - 2014.01.27 21:12:00 -
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rof is better then damage for SG would be nice if the PLC had this also
another thing about the PLC is the fitting optimization
it differs from all other weapons instead of reducing PG it reduces CPU
Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes
Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake
Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
4130
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:51:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:@ Korvin
High end knives hit harder than high end SGs. As they should.
@ Sira
Optimal range is technically anything under 5M. Max damage is dealt at 1M.
@ IWS
The proficiency-based RoF increase is fine. Base statistics are arguably inadequate.
@ Checkmate
Think SG proficiency + assault RoF racial bonus. Jane and Annie would opt for Assault.
Quite true Mr.Shotty
I actually consider any assault suit BUT the Amarr assault will be highly efficient with the shotguns after 1.8.
Even while UP, the RoF increase will help SG enormously:
Assault 10% RoF Bonus
Shotgun 15% RoF Bonus (proficiency)
You get a total of 25% + RoF, Enough HP and slots to modded as a less dampened scout.
Minmatar ASSAULT: Have speed, BONUS to damage mods (to make sure you get those kills) and 2 low slots, enough for 1 complex profile dampener (to avoid ADV scanners , or 2 to avoid Proto scanners too) and 1 Complex Kin cat.
Caldari: Similar than the Minmatar, the Caldari can shield tank effectively and still has 3 LOW slots to make any combination of Kin cats, Cardiac reg, Profile Dampeners....
Gallente:While it might not seem scout material, Gallente assaults can effectively mod themselves as pseudo scouts due to they 4 Low slot count.Their new bonus will make them easily surpass the 400 ARMOR with 1 Cx Armor plate, leaving 3 slots for Armor rep and Dampeners, maybe a kin cat too.
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Rusty Shallows
919
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Posted - 2014.01.27 23:31:00 -
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Cpl Foster USMC wrote:thanks for all the posts....
I only noticed because I was using those HK shottys we just got and I have an Alt that will go live soon and was thinking of going into shotguns...
i'm not now.....
+1 for rationally avoiding an optional weapon. Best to train for fun after one the Big-Four Rifles and important skills are done first.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
Forums > Game
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
773
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Posted - 2014.01.27 23:46:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Cpl Foster USMC wrote:thanks for all the posts....
I only noticed because I was using those HK shottys we just got and I have an Alt that will go live soon and was thinking of going into shotguns...
i'm not now..... +1 for rationally avoiding an optional weapon. Best to train for fun after one the Big-Four Rifles and important skills are done first.
Ill never give in...I will never become a EZ-mode player! NEVER!! |
Derpty Derp
Derpty Derp Derr Deerrr
9
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Posted - 2014.01.27 23:56:00 -
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A shotgun a day keeps the heavy machine gunners at bay!
But yeah, as someone who maxed shotgun first, it's better when you have something else to fall back on... Really like commando fits with that and something for more range... You reel 'em in, then blow their faces off  |
Legoose MARKII
Nos Nothi
14
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:06:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:If you have 3% damage increase per level, you'd be shooting around 60 per plasma pellet from the 50-something on a proto shotty.
In the long run, RoF is kind of better. Combine that with increase in reload speed and if feeling frisky using a Commando suit, then you are one hell of a soldier.
This actually isn't accurate. Currently the shotgun does 40 dmg at basic, 42 at adv, and 44 at proto. If the shotgun got the 3% damage boost like all other weapons do for proficiency it would be upped to 50.6 per pellet at proto with prof V.
Who is LeGoose anyway?
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
306
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:13:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:rof is better then damage for SG would be nice if the PLC had this also
another thing about the PLC is the fitting optimization
it differs from all other weapons instead of reducing PG it reduces CPU
The PLC doesnt take any pg..... that might be why
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
4132
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:22:00 -
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Legoose MARKII wrote:
This actually isn't accurate. Currently the shotgun does 40 dmg at basic, 42 at adv, and 44 at proto. If the shotgun got the 3% damage boost like all other weapons do for proficiency it would be upped to 50.6 per pellet at proto with prof V.
I use the ADV Breach SG, and even then (it hits around 50 to per pellet) I cannot drop Med frames some times with 1 shot at 1 m distance... WTH.?
So an overall buff to SDGshould be at hand:
My proposal:
GÖª PROFICIENCY : +5% RoF per level
GÖª Overall increase to SG damage:
Regular ones: 44 - 48 - 52 (At proto)
Breach: 60 - 64 - 68 (At proto)
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
850
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:27:00 -
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make them have explosive rounds and rename it to the USAS-12...
bad idea is bad. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
776
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Legoose MARKII wrote:
This actually isn't accurate. Currently the shotgun does 40 dmg at basic, 42 at adv, and 44 at proto. If the shotgun got the 3% damage boost like all other weapons do for proficiency it would be upped to 50.6 per pellet at proto with prof V.
I use the ADV Breach SG, and even then (it hits around 50 to per pellet) I cannot drop Med frames some times with 1 shot at 1 m distance... WTH.? So an overall buff to SDGshould be at hand: My proposal:
GÖª PROFICIENCY : +5% RoF per level GÖª Overall increase to SG damage: Regular ones: 44 - 48 - 52 (At proto) Breach: 60 - 64 - 68 (At proto)
I would love this
Though i would also increase optimal range by 1 or 2 meters |
Legoose MARKII
Nos Nothi
14
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:56:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Legoose MARKII wrote:
This actually isn't accurate. Currently the shotgun does 40 dmg at basic, 42 at adv, and 44 at proto. If the shotgun got the 3% damage boost like all other weapons do for proficiency it would be upped to 50.6 per pellet at proto with prof V.
I use the ADV Breach SG, and even then (it hits around 50 to per pellet) I cannot drop Med frames some times with 1 shot at 1 m distance... WTH.? So an overall buff to SDGshould be at hand: My proposal:
GÖª PROFICIENCY : +5% RoF per level GÖª Overall increase to SG damage: Regular ones: 44 - 48 - 52 (At proto) Breach: 60 - 64 - 68 (At proto)
Oops forgot to include the breach. I really like these suggested changes. +1
Who is LeGoose anyway?
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1068
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:59:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:
Ill never give in...I will never become a EZ-mode player! NEVER!!
I like you :-)
Loving my new knives, but still miss my shotgun.
Wish you guys the best of luck in getting the boomstick fixed.
o7 |
KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
4135
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Posted - 2014.01.28 01:36:00 -
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Legoose MARKII wrote:
Oops forgot to include the breach. I really like these suggested changes. +1
Understandable. I've known people that dont even know the weapon exists....
u.u
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Annie Oakley II
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
9
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:10:00 -
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Jane and I were crunching some numbers and putting our heads together on the subject of new suits and specs and yes assault is looking good. There are limitations on PG and CPU that we are trying to has out, and without seeing what the PG CPU specs are for Cloaks we cant put all our chips in on this one just yet. Who knows we might opt in for scouts this time around depending on that one thing. Bottom line is Shotty lvl 10 + assault bonus = Pwn. |
Legoose MARKII
Nos Nothi
16
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:12:00 -
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Annie Oakley II wrote:Jane and I were crunching some numbers and putting our heads together on the subject of new suits and specs and yes assault is looking good. There are limitations on PG and CPU that we are trying to has out, and without seeing what the PG CPU specs are for Cloaks we cant put all our chips in on this one just yet. Who knows we might opt in for scouts this time around depending on that one thing. Bottom line is Shotty lvl 10 + assault bonus = Pwn.
 they are coming back! Everybody hide!
Who is LeGoose anyway?
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Legoose MARKII
Nos Nothi
16
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:13:00 -
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Also here you go Annie
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137525&find=unread
Who is LeGoose anyway?
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
4332
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:16:00 -
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Annie Oakley II wrote:Jane and I were crunching some numbers and putting our heads together on the subject of new suits and specs and yes assault is looking good. There are limitations on PG and CPU that we are trying to has out, and without seeing what the PG CPU specs are for Cloaks we cant put all our chips in on this one just yet. Who knows we might opt in for scouts this time around depending on that one thing. Bottom line is Shotty lvl 10 + assault bonus = Pwn.
Am I hearing a comeback?!
Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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Annie Oakley II
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
9
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:25:00 -
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Well judging by the PG requirements on that post and its placement with other equipment this seems to be a logis dream item. That is something i will talk to jane about a bit later when he gets back from work, we will crunch some more numbers and wait to see what else develops. I am not certain what build we will have ready but after the release we will keep you guys updated on what we will chose. Not holding out on what we think might work but, we dont want to jump the gun and have others follow suit only to find its a bogus build. Thanks for the links.... and no we are not returning... noooooo  |
Krom Ganesh
Nos Nothi
1347
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:09:00 -
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The logi's bonus doesn't work on cloaks.
1.8 can't get here soon enough.
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
834
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:39:00 -
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damn crossdressers. get outta here, Oakley.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
[email protected]
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
226
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:59:00 -
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Annie Oakley II wrote:Well judging by the PG requirements on that post and its placement with other equipment this seems to be a logis dream item. That is something i will talk to jane about a bit later when he gets back from work, we will crunch some more numbers and wait to see what else develops. I am not certain what build we will have ready but after the release we will keep you guys updated on what we will chose. Not holding out on what we think might work but, we dont want to jump the gun and have others follow suit only to find its a bogus build. Thanks for the links.... and no we are not returning... noooooo
Just so you know, it has been revealed that the Logistics equipment bonus does not apply to cloaks. What you see for CPU/PG on that list is what it will use on a Logistics suit.
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