What I really don't understand is how people can argue that the shotgun is "fine". Killing anything above STD level takes 3 shots or more. The fact that each level into shotgun operation DECREASES the spread is just dumb, it's not meant to be a precision weapon, it's meant to have huge spread and kill people with ease in CQC but has horrible range. The damage difference between the ADV and PRO shotgun is barely noticeable because even with the CreoDron Shotgun, it still takes 3 shots to kill ADV suits and even more with tanked prototype suits. I can kill more people efficiently with a rifle in CQC than with a shotgun, something is not right with this picture....

Long Story Short:

* There was a time, long ago, when backpedaling under shotgun fire meant dying tired.
* Back then, if a shotgunner got into range you were dead. Every time. Except Heavies.
* For an entire build, Calamity Jane and Annie Oakley kicked sufficient arse to become legend.
* The "bigshots" -- envious of the Twins' success -- b*tched and moaned and lobbied.
* The Devs eventually caved and now we have the Uprising Shotgun.

Fun Facts:

* One step outside of 5 meters, and Shotgun damage plummets exponentially.
* A medframe can bunny-hop beyond that 5 meters between your first and second blast.
* Any target who takes 2 or more blasts would've been killed faster by a Fine Rifle.
* Every proto and the majority of advanced targets will require 2+ blasts. Squishy Scouts excluded.

Pro Tips:

* Put down that Shotgun and pick up a Fine Rifle.
* All Fine Rifles (AR, ScR, RR, CR) kill tough targets faster, further.
* A charged ScR shot actually hits harder than a shotgun at 10x the range.


- Proficiency 5 former Shotgunner
PS: On respec (if respec) I plan to pull every point out of Shotguns.

not true, it only one shots scouts, other suits only if a headshot, mediums take 2 to 3, heavies take even more, and it has an optimal range of 1 meter, yeah 1 meter I'm not kidding

+1 for rationally avoiding an optional weapon. Best to train for fun after one the Big-Four Rifles and important skills are done first.

I use the ADV Breach SG, and even then (it hits around 50 to per pellet) I cannot drop Med frames some times with 1 shot at 1 m distance... WTH.?

So an overall buff to SDGshould be at hand:
My proposal:

GÖª PROFICIENCY : +5% RoF per level
GÖª Overall increase to SG damage:
Regular ones: 44 - 48 - 52 (At proto)
Breach: 60 - 64 - 68 (At proto)

there is a reason we have no damage upgrading skill for the shotgun.


because then there would be no reason to shoot ppl in the face with it.(shotgun to the face... works everytime..)