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Cpl Foster USMC
South Carolina Dusties
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Posted - 2014.01.26 18:44:00 -
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that all other "Light Weapon Proficiency" will increase damage output of their weapon EXCEPT Shotgun...???
why..?...glitch...?...working as intended...?
People...?
CCP...?
South Carolina anyone..???..hello...???...anyone in SC play this shit..?!?!?..
No...?...guess I must be special then...
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Dheez
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.26 18:51:00 -
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If that happens, expect a ton of QQ and OP complaints. People just love their AR's CR's, BR's SCR's, that much. Can you imagine if we have an Auto SG choice. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.01.26 18:57:00 -
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A buddy of mine says he prefers more Rof for his shotgun.
"Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom."
-Looks in Closet-
"Dear God"
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Cpl Foster USMC
South Carolina Dusties
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Posted - 2014.01.26 19:19:00 -
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Dheez wrote:If that happens, expect a ton of QQ and OP complaints. People just love their AR's CR's, BR's SCR's, that much. Can you imagine if we have an Auto SG choice.
That should be the Proto one....
3 shot burst Semi-Auto Shotgun.....6 round magazine....nah...9 round magazine.....
South Carolina anyone..???..hello...???...anyone in SC play this shit..?!?!?..
No...?...guess I must be special then...
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Cpl Foster USMC
South Carolina Dusties
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Posted - 2014.01.26 20:33:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:A buddy of mine says he prefers more Rof for his shotgun.
if he had more power, he wouldn't need more rounds...
South Carolina anyone..???..hello...???...anyone in SC play this shit..?!?!?..
No...?...guess I must be special then...
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.26 20:35:00 -
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Just make a minmitar shotgun
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
746
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Posted - 2014.01.26 20:45:00 -
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Meant to happen but the bonus isn't bad...
Assassination is my thing.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
746
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Posted - 2014.01.26 20:47:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Just make a minmitar shotgun
So you're signature tells me that you killed Archduke Ferdinand with nova knives? i'm pretty sure 100% he was shot.
Assassination is my thing.
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darkiller240
WarRavens
League of Infamy
310
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Posted - 2014.01.26 20:49:00 -
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becuase shotguns can already inst-kill why do you need more damage?
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
267
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:04:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Just make a minmitar shotgun So you're signature tells me that you killed Archduke Ferdinand with nova knives? i'm pretty sure 100% he was shot.
No the Serbians were just stupid enough to think those were bullet wounds...
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
267
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:05:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:becuase shotguns can already inst-kill why do you need more damage?
Because even the proto shoguns will only instakill STD or MLT suits that aren't scouts
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Cpl Foster USMC
South Carolina Dusties
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:07:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:becuase shotguns can already inst-kill why do you need more damage?
I am what you would call a "Damage Junkie"....
more is always better...
South Carolina anyone..???..hello...???...anyone in SC play this shit..?!?!?..
No...?...guess I must be special then...
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:43:00 -
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Imo rof is more useful after using the shotgun for a while
Even heavies dont take more than 2-3 shots so i prefer the increased rof |
Aizen Intiki
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
768
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:47:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Imo rof is more useful after using the shotgun for a while
Even heavies dont take more than 2-3 shots so i prefer the increased rof
this
"Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say
Alt of the great Godin
I like chocolate ^___^
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.01.26 22:01:00 -
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Cpl Foster USMC wrote:Dheez wrote:If that happens, expect a ton of QQ and OP complaints. People just love their AR's CR's, BR's SCR's, that much. Can you imagine if we have an Auto SG choice. That should be the Proto one.... 3 shot burst Semi-Auto Shotgun.....6 round magazine....nah...9 round magazine.....
There's a defunct table-top miniatures game called Warzone. They had these Jungle Kommandos (with the "K") who were basically scouts with Gatling Barrel Belt-fed Shotguns. The officers got a bigger version with twin Gatling.
FOR THE LULZ!
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Legacy Rising
272
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Posted - 2014.01.26 22:03:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Just make a minmitar shotgun
It'll be nerfed to the ground. |
Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.01.26 22:14:00 -
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Shotguns have been a bit meh since Uprising 1.0 IMO. They're ok for killing starter fits, but anyone you don't OHK only needs to get a tiny bit of distance to be safe. Extremely limited range combined with the narrow field of view we have is really a pain. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
916
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Posted - 2014.01.26 22:37:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:Shotguns have been a bit meh since Uprising 1.0 IMO. They're ok for killing starter fits, but anyone you don't OHK only needs to get a tiny bit of distance to be safe. Extremely limited range combined with the narrow field of view we have is really a pain.
That's why you grab a sidearm. When you get a few shots on the enemy and they start retreating, you just pull out your SMG and destroy the remaining sliver of armor they have left.
And I do prefer increased RoF over damage, personally.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 25th
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Eric Del Carlo
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
33
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Posted - 2014.01.26 22:39:00 -
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What I really don't understand is how people can argue that the shotgun is "fine". Killing anything above STD level takes 3 shots or more. The fact that each level into shotgun operation DECREASES the spread is just dumb, it's not meant to be a precision weapon, it's meant to have huge spread and kill people with ease in CQC but has horrible range. The damage difference between the ADV and PRO shotgun is barely noticeable because even with the CreoDron Shotgun, it still takes 3 shots to kill ADV suits and even more with tanked prototype suits. I can kill more people efficiently with a rifle in CQC than with a shotgun, something is not right with this picture....
See you space cowboy...
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
763
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Posted - 2014.01.26 22:43:00 -
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Eric Del Carlo wrote:What I really don't understand is how people can argue that the shotgun is "fine". Killing anything above STD level takes 3 shots or more. The fact that each level into shotgun operation DECREASES the spread is just dumb, it's not meant to be a precision weapon, it's meant to have huge spread and kill people with ease in CQC but has horrible range. The damage difference between the ADV and PRO shotgun is barely noticeable because even with the CreoDron Shotgun, it still takes 3 shots to kill ADV suits and even more with tanked prototype suits. I can kill more people efficiently with a rifle in CQC than with a shotgun, something is not right with this picture....
I can kill proto logis and heavies in 2-3 shots, but i do agree the shotgun needs a little bit better range and mabey damage |
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Cpl Foster USMC
South Carolina Dusties
525
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Posted - 2014.01.26 22:55:00 -
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Eric Del Carlo wrote:What I really don't understand is how people can argue that the shotgun is "fine". Killing anything above STD level takes 3 shots or more. The fact that each level into shotgun operation DECREASES the spread is just dumb, it's not meant to be a precision weapon, it's meant to have huge spread and kill people with ease in CQC but has horrible range. The damage difference between the ADV and PRO shotgun is barely noticeable because even with the CreoDron Shotgun, it still takes 3 shots to kill ADV suits and even more with tanked prototype suits. I can kill more people efficiently with a rifle in CQC than with a shotgun, something is not right with this picture....
yes...
South Carolina anyone..???..hello...???...anyone in SC play this shit..?!?!?..
No...?...guess I must be special then...
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1017
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Posted - 2014.01.26 23:56:00 -
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@ OP, long story short ...
* There was a time, long ago, when backpedaling under shotgun fire meant dying tired.
* Back then, if a shotgunner got into range you were dead. Every time. Except Heavies.
* For an entire build, Calamity Jane and Annie Oakley kicked sufficient arse to become legend.
* The "bigshots" -- envious of the Twins' success -- b*tched and moaned and lobbied.
* The Devs eventually caved and now we have the Uprising Shotgun.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
764
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Posted - 2014.01.27 00:29:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Long Story Short:
* There was a time, long ago, when backpedaling under shotgun fire meant dying tired.
* Back then, if a shotgunner got into range you were dead. Every time. Except Heavies.
* For an entire build, Calamity Jane and Annie Oakley kicked sufficient arse to become legend.
* The "bigshots" -- envious of the Twins' success -- b*tched and moaned and lobbied.
* The Devs eventually caved and now we have the Uprising Shotgun.
Fun Facts:
* One step outside of 5 meters, and Shotgun damage plummets exponentially.
* A medframe can bunny-hop beyond that 5 meters between your first and second blast.
* Any target who takes 2 or more blasts would've been killed faster by a Fine Rifle.
* Every proto and the majority of advanced targets will require 2+ blasts. Squishy Scouts excluded.
Pro Tips:
* Put down that Shotgun and pick up a Fine Rifle.
* All Fine Rifles (AR, ScR, RR, CR) kill tough targets faster, further.
* A charged ScR shot actually hits harder than a shotgun at 10x the range.
- Proficiency 5 former Shotgunner
PS: On respec (if respec) I plan to pull every point out of Shotguns.
How would you reccommend shotguns be fixed?
I personally would like a small increase to range (~2 more mters) and/or a small damage increase as well as all rifles get a nerf
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1019
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Posted - 2014.01.27 00:48:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:
How would you reccommend shotguns be fixed?
I personally would like a small increase to range (~2 more mters) and/or a small damage increase as well as all rifles get a nerf
I wouldn't recommend shotguns being fixed. I like them broken.
I stand to benefit from the first blast forever and always being a warning shot.
Survived a point-blank SG attack to the back earlier today. Wearing a Scout suit (80/ 330)!
Another guy and I were hacking; shotgunner popped me; I hopped backwards and killed him.
Should he have won? Absolutely. Should he have killed both of us? OMG absolutely; he had us.
But thanks to CCP and the moaning Fine Rifle majority, I got my +50 and got to finish my hack.
I may or may not have previously suggested how to fix Shotguns:
1) Hard nerf to backpedal speed (all suits).
2) Slight nerf Rifle hipfire accuracy (all rifles).
3) Slight buff to SG Damage.
4) Slight buff SG Range or Drop-Off Penalty.
* Emphasis on slight ... don't want to over do it (see Tanks).
If Shotguns got fixed after 1.8. After I spec'd out of 'em, I'd be royally p*ssed.
So like I said, I'm OK with them staying broken. |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
817
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Posted - 2014.01.27 00:49:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:
* A charged ScR shot actually hits harder than a shotgun at 10x the range.
Specific numbers to back this up, please?
'cause last I recall, a charged ScR only does double damage, which means it would do less than 200
no damage mods or other apples-to-oranges comparisons please.
Just standard charged ScP damage, to standard shotgun damage.
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
1019
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Posted - 2014.01.27 00:59:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Scout Registry wrote:
* A charged ScR shot actually hits harder than a shotgun at 10x the range.
Specific numbers to back this up, please? 'cause last I recall, a charged ScR only does double damage, which means it would do less than 200 no damage mods or other apples-to-oranges comparisons please. Just standard charged ScP damage, to standard shotgun damage.
Citing first hand experience.
I get insta-gibbed by ScRs every day.
Deadly Aztec OHK'd me 3 times today (400-500 damage).
All in the same match. I was equal parts p*ssed and embarrassed.
Anyhow, find someone with ScR Proficiency 5 to conduct your experiment.
You and I aren't on speaking terms when it comes to serious subjects. |
Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1676
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Posted - 2014.01.27 01:29:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Cpl Foster USMC wrote:Dheez wrote:If that happens, expect a ton of QQ and OP complaints. People just love their AR's CR's, BR's SCR's, that much. Can you imagine if we have an Auto SG choice. That should be the Proto one.... 3 shot burst Semi-Auto Shotgun.....6 round magazine....nah...9 round magazine..... There's a defunct table-top miniatures game called Warzone. They had these Jungle Kommandos (with the "K") who were basically scouts with Gatling Barrel Belt-fed Shotguns. The officers got a bigger version with twin Gatling. FOR THE LULZ!
Now all I can think about is the Auto Shotgun Terry Crews has in the expendables.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
4045
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Posted - 2014.01.27 01:33:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:A buddy of mine says he prefers more Rof for his shotgun.
I would..............if it ACTUALLY MEANT SOMETHING FOR MY BREACH SG.,
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
4288
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Posted - 2014.01.27 01:33:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:becuase shotguns can already inst-kill why do you need more damage?
Have you ever tried using that damn thing?
If your target backpedals just out of your range, and then they spray and pray, you're dead.
Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
4288
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Posted - 2014.01.27 01:36:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:Long Story Short:
* There was a time, long ago, when backpedaling under shotgun fire meant dying tired.
* Back then, if a shotgunner got into range you were dead. Every time. Except Heavies.
* For an entire build, Calamity Jane and Annie Oakley kicked sufficient arse to become legend.
* The "bigshots" -- envious of the Twins' success -- b*tched and moaned and lobbied.
He doesn't run it anymore from what I've seen, but Dengru kicked ass with his Min Logi and Shotgun.
Winner of at least 11 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
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