It would stop the 1.8 Gallente/Amarr scouts from being OP and using 4 plates in the lows(well not stop, but make it less appealing)

What if we increased the penalty of armor yatti yatti but we also gave shield extenders an equally detrimental penalty such as a speed loss. For the record you may say speed tanking is dead but if you can't out strafe aim aassist which isn't even as magnetic as it used to be then you got problems. Anyways what if we made shields increase your delay so much that it wasn't as self repairing as it used to. But to balance it we made a repair tool for it, because you know people are oh so eager to help. That seems fair don't you think?

What are the drawbacks to shields?

Shield pros:
Self repairing
More resistant to damage
No speed loss
An insignificant penalty
Is not your life line

Shield cons:
shield delay
A maximum of 35% HP difference between shield and armor
Flux grenades (rarely used)

Shield delay can be reduced with your low slots

That HP difference is only in fully stacked shields vs fully stacked armor but in reality an omni tanked shield suit has more HP than an omni tanked armor suit

Flux grenades are rarely used but shield tanks love them as a con.

Shields are more resistant to damage than armor due to there being more weapons to kill armor than shields and the overall damage profiles being shifted to kill armor.

No, because it takes away the shields niche of high regen, and low hp, good for lone wolfing. The problem is armor is currently 2-4 times as much hp as shields, have better sources of regeneration, very low penalty and high hp at basic and adv level, cost a lot less than shields do, and open up high slots for damage mods. Also, the argument that biotics and shields is better than plates and damage mods is made null by the fact that shield tankers have low pg, and biotic modules require the most pg, and aim assist defeats strafing unless the kill is made in under 1 second, so that the enemy doesn't have time to get his reticule near you

As it is, armour plates provide too much for a small sacrifice. For just 10 CPU and 1 PG, you get a extra 80 hp and only lose 2 percent to movement speed.

It's gotten to the point that almost every suit would be better off using 1-2 basic/enhanced armour plates.

So we currently have:

Basic -2

Enhanced -3

Complex -5

And the old penalty was:

Basic -3

Enhanced -5

Complex -10

It would probably kill off complex plates(unless the hp was buffed even more) as well as enhanced, but I can still see people using one basic.

Personally, I'd like it to be bumped up to 3/4/5. I can't see complex plates going any higher, even at 6 percent they would become useless.

1. true, they are. however, armor repairs better than shields and is not interrupted if the person is sitting on a hive, or has logo support
2. That is false. They are not and this is a misconception. The are 10% more resistant to rail and combat rifles, but thats it.
3. Yes, there is no speed penalty, but they do have a shield depleted recharge delay penalty which is really significant is you get shot because it takes very few shots to fully deplete your shield, and then you must hunker down behind cover for a LONG time, whereas an armor tanker could just put down a hive once his shields started getting hit, and be invincible.
4. see above
5. They are your lifeline unless you are a damage stacking gallente or amarr with armor in the lows.

cons
1. This makes armor repairing in some cases even more effective than shield repairing because there is no delay
2. This statement is blatantly false. a basic extender=22 hp, a basic plate=85 hp which is about 4 times as much as the extender, for almost no penalty whatsoever for the armor tanker. At proto level, a plate is still more than twice as much hp as an extender.
3. Flux grenades are not rarely used like shield tanking is rarely used, they are rarely used like an assault rifle is rarely used.

You are blatantly wrong in all of your points, and i don't understand your attempt to misinform anyone who reads this of the problems with shields currently.

I'd support an increase in speed penalty when shield tankers will support a penalty to shields that actually matters. Like a 10% increase to profile signature at the complex level, so 66/+10% profile signature.

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I still see galante logi's dodge like crazy with 500 armor...

No argument here. I'd still use them, but I'd stop using them shield based suits. Probably switch out to regulators or profile damps/range amps. Or maybe even use kincats+cardio mods.

I'd support an increase in speed penalty when shield tankers will support a penalty to shields that actually matters. Like a 10% increase to profile signature at the complex level, so 66/+10% profile signature.

Yes. Let's nerf Minmatar and Caldari scouts.

Thats really what we would be after.
Personally I am in the frame of mind that

1) Ferroscale Plates should have less of health bonus than Shield Extenders as there are no combat related penalties.

2) Reactive Plates need looking at, in order to be viable, currently they just don't have the bonuses to justify use.

3) Current Plates should have a reduced health bonus and reduced penalty (4% per plate maximum), then re-designate as light plates.

4) Add Heavy plates that have current health bonus + ~10%, then speed penalty starts at 10%

5) Give shield tankers, shield based equivalent of ferroscale and reactive plates.

6) Give Armour tankers, armour based equivalent of Shield energizer

Yes. Let's nerf Gallente and Amarr scouts.

Too bad the nerfs would not be not nearly on the same level. Caldari and Minmatar would be hit much harder.

Says who?

1 agreed, but I think it should be done by increasing shield extender hp slightly.

2 I'd move them to the high slot personally.

3 I really like this, but I honestly don't think it would not work. Not sure why...Still like the idea.

4 see 3

5 I think we run the risk of making armour and shield too alike.

6 see 5

No like I said a full stacked shield suit vs an armor suit only he 35% less HE and both omni tanked the shield suit actually has more hp

Apparently, your ability to understand a simple conversations is severely limited.

Par for the course, I guess.

1. true, they are. however, armor repairs better than shields and is not interrupted if the person is sitting on a hive, or has logo support
2. That is false. They are not and this is a misconception. The are 10% more resistant to rail and combat rifles, but thats it.
3. Yes, there is no speed penalty, but they do have a shield depleted recharge delay penalty which is really significant is you get shot because it takes very few shots to fully deplete your shield, and then you must hunker down behind cover for a LONG time, whereas an armor tanker could just put down a hive once his shields started getting hit, and be invincible.
4. see above
5. They are your lifeline unless you are a damage stacking gallente or amarr with armor in the lows.

cons
1. This makes armor repairing in some cases even more effective than shield repairing because there is no delay
2. This statement is blatantly false. a basic extender=22 hp, a basic plate=85 hp which is about 4 times as much as the extender, for almost no penalty whatsoever for the armor tanker. At proto level, a plate is still more than twice as much hp as an extender.
3. Flux grenades are not rarely used like shield tanking is rarely used, they are rarely used like an assault rifle is rarely used.

You are blatantly wrong in all of your points, and i don't understand your attempt to misinform anyone who reads this of the problems with shields currently.

We are comparing modules, not suits. Currently, armor modules are 2-4x as effective as shield mods, with almost no penalty except at proto level.

So then all armor tanking options would either be useless or extremely prohibitive that sounds like a great idea.