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Psyon Sebiestor FACTION WARFARE ARMY 99	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:34:00 - [1] - Quote After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ...
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 678	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:38:00 - [2] - Quote In our defence there was only 2 of us. compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 302	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:44:00 - [3] - Quote It was only a matter of time before FACTION WARFARE ARMY(I feel like I just yelled that) showed up with fresh tears on the forums. In all seriousness though, there are a dozen threads about this already that you could post in. There are already corps out there that teach the basics to beginners. Check out Dust University for one. Also, most people can join Molon and get training. Each of these corps provides training for their members, and each of these corps fields multiple, capable squads every day. FACTION WARFARE ARMY(Yeah, still feels like yelling), on the other hand, seems content with blanket inviting every player possible and leading them as lambs to slaughter. I personally would work with some of the trainer corps and/or dissolve yours and have your members join the corps that are already training capable mercs.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 914	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:48:00 - [4] - Quote If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new boxers punch him in the face then boxing would be fun for all!
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3695	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:53:00 - [5] - Quote The Learning Coalition (not an official alliance, but it also included Dust University) is far more effective than the joke known as FWARM. We also have other corps, such as LOTIS, backing us in our public channel. I am your scan error.
Psyon Sebiestor FACTION WARFARE ARMY 100	Posted - 2014.01.25 01:59:00 - [6] - Quote Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! Mike Tyson wouldn't be put up against people brand new to boxing in the first place Point is moronic
Psyon Sebiestor FACTION WARFARE ARMY 100	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:00:00 - [7] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The Learning Coalition (not an official alliance, but it also included Dust University) is far more effective than the joke known as FWARM. We also have other corps, such as LOTIS, backing us in our public channel. Not my corp I'm just a member
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 362	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:01:00 - [8] - Quote you lost to sweet richie? wow..
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 362	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:08:00 - [9] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ... Rainbow effect are a corp of under 20, so dont blame them Theres always going to be a huge gap between new people and vets because of SP and ISK This game is not meant to be fair - get that in your ******* head, this is new eden, if something is fair you arnt doing it right This game is actually continually growing so the whole THIS GAME IS DYING argument no longer works This game is always going to be like eve, a small player base that are dedicated, you are making yourself pretty obvious that you dont understand the game
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 914	Posted - 2014.01.25 02:17:00 - [10] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! Mike Tyson wouldn't be put up against people brand new to boxing in the first place Point is moronic I think you got one of the points being made quite well ;)

richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 679	Posted - 2014.01.25 03:29:00 - [11] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: you lost to sweet richie? wow.. IKR They was also a squad of burgerz and red star XD compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Evan Gotabor Prima Gallicus 7	Posted - 2014.01.25 09:13:00 - [12] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ... The "problem" is really simple : vets got experience and skillpoints, while new players don't have any of them. Nothing less, nothing more. A first step to this would be a complete remake of the academy. You learn nothing in there. I remember that on my first day (before the academy even exist), I needed a complete afternoon of explainations and help to understand the mechanics. Couldn't have done that alone without my corp. Do you really think we are pleased to enter in a game and be in the enemy redline 5 minutes (or less) after we began the battle ? Or in other words to roll over a red carpet ? Some people might enjoy it, but I know for a fact we don't in Prima Gallicus. We play in public matches because we need ISK, we play Gallente FW because we help our Eve pilots. On this matter, CCP is to blame, even if I love them and I like Dust ; they should have studied a new battlefinder system for public matches which is based or on the time spent on Dust, or balance the number of SP on both sides. As a consequence it would allow for vets to have interesting games more often, and it would still make sure new players are aware that veterans exist, and that with time they would be able to acquire both skills and better equipment. And like it has been said before, remember that New Eden is a ruthless universe.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5481	Posted - 2014.01.25 09:15:00 - [13] - Quote Tiericide pls. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 657	Posted - 2014.01.25 09:21:00 - [14] - Quote 2 things need to happen. 1. Corp battles and Squad matches (1 squad vs another) 2. Academy needs to be available AFTER a new player is turned loose on pubs. That was if things are too rough they can go back. Make sure Academy have tiers 1m SP group >>> 2M >>> kick out at 3m. That's how I look at it anyway. "Because beer, that's why."
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 154	Posted - 2014.01.25 09:22:00 - [15] - Quote I feel for the new guys. Your corp has enough guys to make squads and team up. Unfortunately most of the FWA guys I see just run and gun. You can kill em and they come back to the same spot guns blazing. I don't see alot of tactics or thought put into your game play. You are easy to beat because of your predictability and lack of focus. we have a saying in the wolves. "If you're going to be vengeful, take some vengeance with you." I am the real Darken
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1668	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:00:00 - [16] - Quote Good morning all, as CEO I feel its my duty to explain a few details: Yes we do acknowlege that the low general quality of the Dust playerbase is a huge problem for the game. I mean come on, this is by far the easiest FPS to get good at I've ever experienced. You think you got it hard that game? You should try fighiting a squad of my former corp "The Buterfly Effect" in MAG 2 years ago, this is nothing copared to the stomps we did in MAG. Having such a large part of the community being completely clueless is the biggest problem we face, its not fun to play a game for 3 minutes and then having to fight snipers at the redline for 15 minutes.... So what do we do to prevent this? Not all of us all the time but we've started to go in groups of 2 or 3 players rather than a full squad of 6. This is IMO tthe best sollution for all. It will normally prevent a total stomp of the other team, we lost several rounds yesterday vs stacked teams and its fun and challanging to play. With a squad of 6 its not normally "enough kills to go around" and it becomes boring really fast. And about that paticular battle, lets look at the facts here for a minute: 1. There were only 2 of us. We went 28/6 and 22/6 - not exactly 50-2 that some of us do when we're talking about a stomp. 2. You had itsAdrenalina (now a Rainbow) on your team, he went 16-3 and came on top of the list and actually got out and did something. 3. Our team wasn't any good at all. We had one dude going 16-8 or 10-3 or something like that, the rest of my team went 5-4, 3-4 and those kinds of scores. 4. You had a stacked but even more useless team. There were one squad of Burgezz and one squad of Redstar on your team that ackomplished nothing at all. 5. You had how many? Was that 4 tanks around the redline? Doing what? I remember that battle very well indeed. I sae Spiker4thedead and Takashiro Kasutken(?) AKA EnglishSnake on the other team and I had the great pleassure of sending him the message: "Go to that big red letter and press O". Its a great shame when the (supposedly) good and experienced players are such big tryhards that they camp with tanks by the redline instead of givinig us a decent fight. I've seen these guys play since the very first month of my Dust career, its a shame they care too much about their own stats and nothing for win right infront of them. And yes, its obviously the big bad tryhards of the Rainbow Effect who comes in with 2 players, fight a stacked team and wins the batlle, its definately our fault that the new players suffer. From now on we should perhaps go into battle completeky alone? Would that be acceptable? http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 182	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:11:00 - [17] - Quote Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! That is not accurate Mike tyson would not be matched against a new boxer. That new boxer would be matched against a fellow new boxer. Seems all of you mike tysons out there wanna be matched with new boxers so u can always win and feel big. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 279	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:12:00 - [18] - Quote The real problem is the match making, not the proto stomping. Why would two full squads of proto players be put on one team while the other team gets a half full squad and a bunch of players who aren't in a squad? It doesn't make any sense, especially when they're all in the same game. Why didn't the two proto squads be put on opposite sides and the holes filled in by the random non squad players? It comes down to an utter lack of match making by CCP, not a lack of players, or a proto stomp issue. I could understand this if it was FW because players can pick which side they're on, but for pub matches this should never happen. Ex; Squad 1 - Proto Squad 2 - Proto Squad 3 - Casuals Squad 4 - Casuals No Squad - Mixture Squad 1 & Squad 3 put on one team. (12 players) Squad 2 & Squad 4 put on opposite team. (12 players) Other 4 slots on each team would be filled by the numerous no squad players queuing for the same game mode. Obviously this is a utopian example. Things wouldn't ALWAYS work out this way. But if those were the given numbers of squads queuing at the same time, thats how they should be placed. Not with both proto squads on one side and the two casual squads on the other side. I very rarely see matches this way, which I think is the real problem. Its a simple concept, I'm sure its more difficult to implement than we all assume, but isn't that why these people are game developers? They should be capable of figuring out a way to gauge certain squads and players queuing for a match and putting them in battles based on some type of criteria. I'd be willing to wait 1-2 minutes to get into a fair, good, battle than to be thrown against new players 9/10 matches. I don't want to be accused of "ruining the game" for players because I enjoy to run proto in pub matches sometimes. I'd rather be placed against other squads in proto capable of putting up a good fight. Even if I was to switch to basic/advanced gear against those newberry/casual squads they'd still be hurting just as bad as if I was in proto.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 352	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:28:00 - [19] - Quote Instead of crying about matchmaking, how about suggesting a working solution? There's a lot of hurdles to jump as stats in any FPS are abused in some fashion. How should the game define new? Average? Protostomper? You can't just assume a character with 20 mil SP is a proto stomper. Likewise, a guy with 8 mil could proto stomp. Any mechanic that defines veteran or casual will be dissected and abused.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 279	Posted - 2014.01.25 13:42:00 - [20] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Instead of crying about matchmaking, how about suggesting a working solution? There's a lot of hurdles to jump as stats in any FPS are abused in some fashion. How should the game define new? Average? Protostomper? You can't just assume a character with 20 mil SP is a proto stomper. Likewise, a guy with 8 mil could proto stomp. Any mechanic that defines veteran or casual will be dissected and abused. I've said it more than likely a hundred or more times on these forums. Matches should be chosen by gear meta levels. Ex; Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment. Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment. Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now) Each game mode would have an option of which to pick, similar to the way we pick game modes now. This would be a more simple way of splitting the players than something based on SP. Your point of an 8 million SP character proto stomping is valid, as is a 20 million SP player might only be running basic or advanced gear. Splitting players based on SP alone would be a poor way to create balanced match making. One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes, but it is something that would help the game tremendously. If it didn't work out, it could always be removed.

RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 61	Posted - 2014.01.25 14:35:00 - [21] - Quote Bah. I've been redlined, camped, tank swarmed, and proto-stomped. I've watched my half million ISK dropships blown to ** from across the map while being flown in. I've been shot in the back by an entire squad on a "smart deploy". I've seen terrible things and terrible people ready to exploit any possible thing they can. It's a goddamned killing field out there and you expect civility. You have to give up that feeling like the enemy owes you mercy because they don't owe you . Let it scar it you. Let it make you ruthless, let the terror they spread render you fearless...or go play Animal Crossing with your *** sister. Seriously though, have a laugh whenever possible, and play with fun people. No one wants in a squad of people bitching and moaning. We can pickle that.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 179	Posted - 2014.01.25 14:47:00 - [22] - Quote Fixing the academy and tutorial system should not be that difficult, yet new players are quickly thrown into normal matchmaking queues with no understanding of what is going on. I have brought some where in the area of 20 people into this game none of which made it more than 3 matches out of the academy. I hope I am wrong but it would seem that NPE of any sort has been completely ignored in favor of keeping the protostompers happy. Below is a shameless promotion of my thread for an academy fix in hopes that further discussion in there may get it noticed by CCP. Suggestion for academy changes
cranium79 ZionTCD Public Disorder. 91	Posted - 2014.01.25 14:47:00 - [23] - Quote i was in a match yesterday where there were 3 on my side and 6 on the other. the reds brought in 3 tanks and a dropship! needless to say, i switched to my starter fit or my cheap 7K isk forge gun fit. but 3 tanks and a dropship against 3 people? at least 2 of the tanks were madrugers! we AV'd and ninja hacked as best as we could, but the result is obvious. in the end, it's just another example of a small *****'d pissing contest. ps.... why didn't we leave? well, we thought about it and decided to collect as much sp as we could and do as much damage to the tryhards as we could. it hurt my kdr, but not my wallet or sp bank.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1494	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:10:00 - [24] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ... I don't get much enjoyment where in a game after 3 minutes, its all redline snipers and no troops on the ground, its even so bad that i only get enjoyment out of the game when i am faced against 2 stacked teams solo, well a good team works aswell. I really want this game to succeed, on PC i am sick & tired of playing against aimbots, wallhacks, noclip etc hackers, but here i don't take enjoyment out of stomping the players into the ground, but what am i to do? Play in Starter fits just to make other people that i don't know feel good about themselves ? Last time i checked, it is still an FPS game. But ok ive done that on my alt char Cue Ckit and even with 600k sp a starter fit i still go 37/xx and while i am not overly attached to my KDR as i dont use tactics i still die quite allot, but going up against entire squads in a starter fit, or a coordinated squad is still suicide and i still like my status as a wreckingball. Back when i didnt have a protosuit, i was going up against guys like Askull Legend and his entire team, i like challenges, sadly most people want their kills to be spoon fed, automatic & easy and everyone else should just be put on equal level so they can feel better about themselves. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 682	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:18:00 - [25] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ... I don't get much enjoyment where in a game after 3 minutes, its all redline snipers and no troops on the ground, its even so bad that i only get enjoyment out of the game when i am faced against 2 stacked teams solo, well a good team works aswell. I really want this game to succeed, on PC i am sick & tired of playing against aimbots, wallhacks, noclip etc hackers, but here i don't take enjoyment out of stomping the players into the ground, but what am i to do? Play in Starter fits just to make other people that i don't know feel good about themselves ? Last time i checked, it is still an FPS game. But ok ive done that on my alt char Cue Ckit and even with 600k sp a starter fit i still go 37/xx and while i am not overly attached to my KDR as i dont use tactics i still die quite allot, but going up against entire squads in a starter fit, or a coordinated squad is still suicide and i still like my status as a wreckingball. Back when i didnt have a protosuit, i was going up against guys like Askull Legend and his entire team, i like challenges, sadly most people want their kills to be spoon fed, automatic & easy and everyone else should just be put on equal level so they can feel better about themselves. Oh man I miss Askull. compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 620	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:21:00 - [26] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ... My personal advice to you is this. Check out your opposition before you spawn in, if you are seriously outmatched, leave battle. A lot of us don't protostomp, we very easily could. Some of them do, it's their choice. You can put up very stiff resistance in basic gear properly skilled and fit. More advice, you guys are not being trained, you are being farmed for ISK, nothing more. A lot of good corps out here have "real" training programs in place and you will fair much better if you moved on now before waste months of skill points uselessly. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Miko Ray DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:38:00 - [27] - Quote Much as I hate being stomped .. and hate the corps that do the stomping, I can't hate the player - I have to hate the game. Ultimately, this is a matchmaking issue. Trying to moderate it by etiquette simply will not work. If CCP delivery new guns, suits and vehicles in 1.8 but fail to iron out the core experience then really it's for nothing. As mentioned - I've taken to checking the teams at startup and if it looks like I'm being lined up for target practice then I'll bomb out and find a new game. BTW - is there a quick way to get back duck out of a game without having to quit and reload?
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1494	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:52:00 - [28] - Quote Miko Ray wrote: Much as I hate being stomped .. and hate the corps that do the stomping, I can't hate the player - I have to hate the game. Ultimately, this is a matchmaking issue. Trying to moderate it by etiquette simply will not work. If CCP delivery new guns, suits and vehicles in 1.8 but fail to iron out the core experience then really it's for nothing. As mentioned - I've taken to checking the teams at startup and if it looks like I'm being lined up for target practice then I'll bomb out and find a new game. BTW - is there a quick way to get back duck out of a game without having to quit and reload? Just spawn, go into the menu and "leave battle" and voila out you are Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:55:00 - [29] - Quote Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! So you think it is fair that a 12 year old 90 pound kid should fight mike Tyson. Do you think you will get new boxers this way? Is it fun or challenging for Mike? Maybe Mike could man up and handicap himself so it is fun and challenging for both and save his all out effort for Holyfield.
Jamie Insano FACTION WARFARE ARMY 1	Posted - 2014.01.25 16:03:00 - [30] - Quote I have a solution, one that I tried out earlier and one that works to glorious effect: I entered a pub match of ambush and grenade suicided myself 49 times. Everyone on my team quit, noone on the other team got more than 3 killls. This was awesome, I completely dictated the outcome of the battle. It's so much fun ruining this game for everyone else, just like the proto stomping d bags are doing, that I am going to ruin every match of Ambush I can join. I invite everyone else to go full suicide all the time until the game is either fixed or deleted.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 914	Posted - 2014.01.25 16:12:00 - [31] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! So you think it is fair that a 12 year old 90 pound kid should fight mike Tyson. Do you think you will get new boxers this way? Is it fun or challenging for Mike? Maybe Mike could man up and handicap himself One thing that is funny "fair" and a CCP game. But no, it isn't fun for the 90 pound kid or Mike Tyson... THAT IS THE POINT. And yes getting to box Mike Tyson would inspire a lot of up and coming boxers. Like the Proto wearing Mercenaries did in Chromosome... Inspired a new generation ;) Some like that adversity and overcoming it. Some just want an "easy" mode and don't want to try. Or like the concept it may take 2-3 of you to take down a player whos been playing 2-3 times longer. Regardless, If matchmaking has two full squads... And then continues to put them on the same side then 16 random squad-less people on the other... Matchmaking and that entire word is a farce in DUST 514... because it doesn't exist to any normal logic.
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 39	Posted - 2014.01.25 16:45:00 - [32] - Quote This is along the line of thought involving a matchmaking fix. How about, instead of immediately putting you/your sqd into one side or the other, you are all just queued into the battle. Then, once it is filled, as you are being pulled in, the sides are chosen based on the squad sizes in the "overall" lobby. So in the example with 2 full squads, 2 partials, and several noobs, then the 2 fulls go opposite, the partials are split up, and the solos are distributed afterwards based on SP/WP. This would limit the chance of 2 full sqds against solo randoms, as well as the occasional 11v3 matches I have seen recently would be impossible.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 915	Posted - 2014.01.25 16:49:00 - [33] - Quote emtbraincase wrote: This is along the line of thought involving a matchmaking fix. How about, instead of immediately putting you/your sqd into one side or the other, you are all just queued into the battle. Then, once it is filled, as you are being pulled in, the sides are chosen based on the squad sizes in the "overall" lobby. So in the example with 2 full squads, 2 partials, and several noobs, then the 2 fulls go opposite, the partials are split up, and the solos are distributed afterwards based on SP/WP. This would limit the chance of 2 full sqds against solo randoms, as well as the occasional 11v3 matches I have seen recently would be impossible. This is what everyone thought it was gonna be. Instead we got an even worse system creating even worse matchups, when a full squad is involved the matchmaking system craps all over itself and gets confused.
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 115	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:19:00 - [34] - Quote The Academy right now is totally useless. Even if myself was here before the new "system", I was told that you get promoted either by scoring more than 1200 WP or by finishing 3 matches, no matter the result. And then puff you are now facing all New Eden merc's, including those who have been playing since the very first day. No real training, no explainations about DUST works, no clues about races and so on... wow. You are only given 500.000SP, a bunch of ISKs and there you go! Enjoy being killed over and over and over. Now, that amount of SP is really inconsistent, you can barely fit a Base setup and, while ass CCP stated you shouldn't be able to use PRO gear, you should still be able to play in a reasonable way, not just being a moving target. m twiggz wrote: Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment. Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment. Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now) Not good, since even in MLT I could still benefit from CPU/PG upgrades and even the DMG proficiencies, resulting far more dangerous than a newbie, not to mention that I am fully aware of what to do while my opponent probably is not. If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 622	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:23:00 - [35] - Quote Jamie Insano wrote: I have a solution, one that I tried out earlier and one that works to glorious effect: I entered a pub match of ambush and grenade suicided myself 49 times. Everyone on my team quit, noone on the other team got more than 3 killls. This was awesome, I completely dictated the outcome of the battle. It's so much fun ruining this game for everyone else, just like the proto stomping d bags are doing, that I am going to ruin every match of Ambush I can join. I invite everyone else to go full suicide all the time until the game is either fixed or deleted. I retract my earlier comments to you, statements like that reassure me that you are in the proper corporation for your mindset. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 156	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:28:00 - [36] - Quote Jamie Insano wrote: I have a solution, one that I tried out earlier and one that works to glorious effect: I entered a pub match of ambush and grenade suicided myself 49 times. Everyone on my team quit, noone on the other team got more than 3 killls. This was awesome, I completely dictated the outcome of the battle. It's so much fun ruining this game for everyone else, just like the proto stomping d bags are doing, that I am going to ruin every match of Ambush I can join. I invite everyone else to go full suicide all the time until the game is either fixed or deleted. lol. Have at it. Your childish angst is amusing. I am the real Darken
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 157	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:15:00 - [37] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! So you think it is fair that a 12 year old 90 pound kid should fight mike Tyson. Do you think you will get new boxers this way? Is it fun or challenging for Mike? Maybe Mike could man up and handicap himself so it is fun and challenging for both and save his all out effort for Holyfield. I used to fight Mike Tyson when I was ten. They changed his skin white and called him Mr. Dream when I was done with him. I am the real Darken
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 367	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:13:00 - [38] - Quote just give everyone 100mil isk and start with 20mil SP problem solved
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 157	Posted - 2014.01.26 19:08:00 - [39] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: just give everyone 100mil isk and start with 20mil SP problem solved 20 mil is a lot of grinding. I wouldn't b!tch if they gave new guys 3 or 4 million SP. Any attention they can give to the NPE would help the game. I am the real Darken
RevoItZ The Rainbow Effect 329	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:54:00 - [40] - Quote lol Winner of EU Prime League Tournament Winner of EU Squad Cup

Espartoi Zero-Day Attack Zero-Day 26	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:53:00 - [41] - Quote A matchmaking system is not part of the game concept it won't happen, thats why you go from the milita fight to the bloodbath. And i remember that i start whit 0 of isk and sp and i wasn't whining about it. if you want some matchmaking fight coordinate with others and thats all you gonna get. I talk about of using add a match for milita fits only it can be applied to advance or proto but i don't think something like that will exist either. The players abuse of the customization system and that is not CCP's fault. Thats how matches looks inbalanced. At least to limits the use of modules could help like instead of let to add a ton of armor modules that you can to be compare with a tank only to use 1 for example in that way players can combinate others modules and that and don't think that is gonna happen at least nearly. You think that everything must be like you want and all is unfair? the answer is simple as Deal with it or GTFO.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 469	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:25:00 - [42] - Quote They take whatever they can exploit legal and lawfully, they're no different from RL big companies OP. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 110	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:47:00 - [43] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: In our defence there was only 2 of us. That is 1 too many and against the rules of morality, in future invite more of us DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 110	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:53:00 - [44] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Instead of crying about matchmaking, how about suggesting a working solution? There's a lot of hurdles to jump as stats in any FPS are abused in some fashion. How should the game define new? Average? Protostomper? You can't just assume a character with 20 mil SP is a proto stomper. Likewise, a guy with 8 mil could proto stomp. Any mechanic that defines veteran or casual will be dissected and abused. I've said it more than likely a hundred or more times on these forums. Matches should be chosen by gear meta levels. Ex; Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment. Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment. Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now) Each game mode would have an option of which to pick, similar to the way we pick game modes now. This would be a more simple way of splitting the players than something based on SP. Your point of an 8 million SP character proto stomping is valid, as is a 20 million SP player might only be running basic or advanced gear. Splitting players based on SP alone would be a poor way to create balanced match making. One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes, but it is something that would help the game tremendously. If it didn't work out, it could always be removed. Or just make a game mode where if u equip anything above standard STD U get kicked like in FW when U do too much damage on your own team sort of thing, CCP can but R 2 LAZY DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 817	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:59:00 - [45] - Quote m twiggz wrote: One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes, and "one" would be wrong. worst case, there would just be less-than-full battles. Personally, I enjoy those types of battles. There's more strategy involved. People who just want fightfightfight every seconds, should go get shot down in ambush. hm. so that suggests something. skirmish and domination would have this option. Ambush would not. Great potential for experimental comparison, too.
CaoticFox Axis of Chaos 128	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:11:00 - [46] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! Mike Tyson wouldn't be put up against people brand new to boxing in the first place Point is moronic +1 ps3 browser wont let me 'like'
CaoticFox Axis of Chaos 128	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:15:00 - [47] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Instead of crying about matchmaking, how about suggesting a working solution? There's a lot of hurdles to jump as stats in any FPS are abused in some fashion. How should the game define new? Average? Protostomper? You can't just assume a character with 20 mil SP is a proto stomper. Likewise, a guy with 8 mil could proto stomp. Any mechanic that defines veteran or casual will be dissected and abused. I've said it more than likely a hundred or more times on these forums. Matches should be chosen by gear meta levels. Ex; Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment. Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment. Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now) Each game mode would have an option of which to pick, similar to the way we pick game modes now. This would be a more simple way of splitting the players than something based on SP. Your point of an 8 million SP character proto stomping is valid, as is a 20 million SP player might only be running basic or advanced gear. Splitting players based on SP alone would be a poor way to create balanced match making. One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes, but it is something that would help the game tremendously. If it didn't work out, it could always be removed. for the 46th time in 2.5 yrs... ^^THIS!!! but... repeat posts are bannable... (I KNOW!!!)
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 697	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:17:00 - [48] - Quote once pve comes out these suckers will be able to bash each other as much as they like. while people who want to have fun will play pve and never touch pvp again. now that goes without saying the second you play an online game you are subject to whatever happens. i dont give a rat about fair play or pubstomping but i can say that it can be a bit nerve racking at times. but hey thats what pve is for......if it ever comes out.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 291	Posted - 2014.01.27 05:01:00 - [49] - Quote Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote: The Academy right now is totally useless. Even if myself was here before the new "system", I was told that you get promoted either by scoring more than 1200 WP or by finishing 3 matches, no matter the result. And then puff you are now facing all New Eden merc's, including those who have been playing since the very first day. No real training, no explainations about DUST works, no clues about races and so on... wow. You are only given 500.000SP, a bunch of ISKs and there you go! Enjoy being killed over and over and over. Now, that amount of SP is really inconsistent, you can barely fit a Base setup and, while ass CCP stated you shouldn't be able to use PRO gear, you should still be able to play in a reasonable way, not just being a moving target. m twiggz wrote: Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment. Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment. Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now) Not good, since even in MLT I could still benefit from CPU/PG upgrades and even the DMG proficiencies, resulting far more dangerous than a newbie, not to mention that I am fully aware of what to do while my opponent probably is not. You make a good point. But at least it would give the newberries a fighting chance. If not for my idea (which I know isn't perfect) come up with one yourself. I've thought out many different ways to do this and after a lot of forum posts on the topic I came to this one as the best possible solution. If you have something better please share.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 293	Posted - 2014.01.27 06:03:00 - [50] - Quote your corp sucks and you are being farmed. answer : get a new corp

hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:06:00 - [51] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! Mike Tyson wouldn't be put up against people brand new to boxing in the first place Point is moronic not to mention you are not being asked to tie your hands behind you back, you would be on more then even footing given that you would still be playing in a squad, and that you have a huge advantage in skills over new players. this is this same ***** bull seen across the fourms where you justify your behavior because pooor you you are being robbed get over your self and *** contribute or get the out. It's your call, and your right, do what you want, but don't try and justify your abuse of bad game design. People keep trying to push for things that would break this game or keep it broken while playing the *** victim because they would rather have a ** up game that favors the way they want it to play then try and *** help build one that will have the player base and balance to keep this game going, and I am *** sick of it. At least have the ***** courtesy to admit that you want to break the game in your current favor, so that you feel special in at least one aspect of your waste of a life. oooooohhhhh wait that would require you to have enough intelligence to be self aware.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 85	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:11:00 - [52] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! Mike Tyson wouldn't be put up against people brand new to boxing in the first place Point is moronic not to mention you are not being asked to tie your hands behind you back, you would be on more then even footing given that you would still be playing in a squad, and that you have a huge advantage in skills over new players. this is this same ***** bull seen across the fourms where you justify your behavior because pooor you you are being robbed get over your self and *** contribute or get the out. It's your call, and your right, do what you want, but don't try and justify your abuse of bad game design. People keep trying to push for things that would break this game or keep it broken while playing the *** victim because they would rather have a ** up game that favors the way they want it to play then try and *** help build one that will have the player base and balance to keep this game going, and I am *** sick of it. At least have the ***** courtesy to admit that you want to break the game in your current favor, so that you feel special in at least one aspect of your waste of a life. oooooohhhhh wait that would require you to have enough intelligence to be self aware. I'm dumb and I can't figure out who all this butthurt is directed at. Please be more specific with your rage. We can pickle that.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:13:00 - [53] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ... Rainbow effect are a corp of under 20, so dont blame them Theres always going to be a huge gap between new people and vets because of SP and ISK This game is not meant to be fair - get that in your ***** head, this is new eden, if something is fair you arnt doing it right This game is actually continually growing so the whole THIS GAME IS DYING argument no longer works This game is always going to be like eve, a small player base that are dedicated, you are making yourself pretty obvious that you dont understand the game even eve has high sec where, yes new guys can get beat up on by every one, but at least they are given some semblance of *** opportunity, here you have players that don't even understand the game yet going 0 and 12 because it wasn't enough for some tryhards to out play some one they had to beat them into the ground. I get it trust me but its been *** **** for the past few months, I mean common its not like you don't have other places to play. You have the isk to run proto? Then run some facwar and give the new guys a chance to *** learn. just because the game is broken doesn't mean you have to abuse it every ***** chance you goddamn get.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:17:00 - [54] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Bethhy wrote: If Mike Tyson Would tie his hands behind his back and let new to boxing people punch him in the face, then boxing would be fun for all! Mike Tyson wouldn't be put up against people brand new to boxing in the first place Point is moronic I think you got one of the points being made quite well ;) we don't have the player base to tier pubs or get even a perfect MM system to work and for some reason ccp can't be ******* bothered to get a well thought out academy running.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:19:00 - [55] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Tiericide pls. would help but not a solution to this problem
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:22:00 - [56] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: 2 things need to happen. 1. Corp battles and Squad matches (1 squad vs another) 2. Academy needs to be available AFTER a new player is turned loose on pubs. That was if things are too rough they can go back. Make sure Academy have tiers 1m SP group >>> 2M >>> kick out at 3m. That's how I look at it anyway. agreed although I would prefer to see a wp/match average based off of the top 10-20 matches the player has, instead of a WP limit, which is meaning less and arbitrary, it would also allow educators to stay in academy longer to help instruct new players. also I would love to see a academy chat channel that is open by default for new players so interested parties could more easily chat with new players and help them out.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:28:00 - [57] - Quote m twiggz wrote: The real problem is the match making, not the proto stomping. Why would two full squads of proto players be put on one team while the other team gets a half full squad and a bunch of players who aren't in a squad? It doesn't make any sense, especially when they're all in the same game. Why didn't the two proto squads be put on opposite sides and the holes filled in by the random non squad players? It comes down to an utter lack of match making by CCP, not a lack of players, or a proto stomp issue. I could understand this if it was FW because players can pick which side they're on, but for pub matches this should never happen. Ex; Squad 1 - Proto Squad 2 - Proto Squad 3 - Casuals Squad 4 - Casuals No Squad - Mixture Squad 1 & Squad 3 put on one team. (12 players) Squad 2 & Squad 4 put on opposite team. (12 players) Other 4 slots on each team would be filled by the numerous no squad players queuing for the same game mode. Obviously this is a utopian example. Things wouldn't ALWAYS work out this way. But if those were the given numbers of squads queuing at the same time, thats how they should be placed. Not with both proto squads on one side and the two casual squads on the other side. I very rarely see matches this way, which I think is the real problem. Its a simple concept, I'm sure its more difficult to implement than we all assume, but isn't that why these people are game developers? They should be capable of figuring out a way to gauge certain squads and players queuing for a match and putting them in battles based on some type of criteria. I'd be willing to wait 1-2 minutes to get into a fair, good, battle than to be thrown against new players 9/10 matches. I don't want to be accused of "ruining the game" for players because I enjoy to run proto in pub matches sometimes. I'd rather be placed against other squads in proto capable of putting up a good fight. Even if I was to switch to basic/advanced gear against those newberry/casual squads they'd still be hurting just as bad as if I was in proto. Never the less there will always be someone on either team QQ'ing even if theres only one player in proto on the opposite side who is murdering their whole team. I'd also like to say if you're not capable of giving a proto player at least a run for his money in your advanced gear then you have a serious problem. Either your FPS skills aren't up to par or you're fitting your suits wrong. If either one of those are the case then perhaps you shouldn't be teaching new players how to play the game. I don't mean this as a troll but as a truthful statement. If you're going to teach newberries how to play you should have the proper skills yourself already. Stop blaming match making, much of the time matches don't fill even with min+ waiting times, the most perfect match making system wouldn't work right now and would probably take 10+ min just trying
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:28:00 - [58] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Instead of crying about matchmaking, how about suggesting a working solution? There's a lot of hurdles to jump as stats in any FPS are abused in some fashion. How should the game define new? Average? Protostomper? You can't just assume a character with 20 mil SP is a proto stomper. Likewise, a guy with 8 mil could proto stomp. Any mechanic that defines veteran or casual will be dissected and abused. I've said it more than likely a hundred or more times on these forums. Matches should be chosen by gear meta levels. Ex; Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment. Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment. Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now) Each game mode would have an option of which to pick, similar to the way we pick game modes now. This would be a more simple way of splitting the players than something based on SP. Your point of an 8 million SP character proto stomping is valid, as is a 20 million SP player might only be running basic or advanced gear. Splitting players based on SP alone would be a poor way to create balanced match making. One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes, but it is something that would help the game tremendously. If it didn't work out, it could always be removed. geart idea don't have the player base.
sira draco Ancient Erectiles 59	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:37:00 - [59] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ... I agree with you that protostomping is wrong and should be stopped, start with your corp, as many times I have been in a pub match and gotten stomped by full proto squads of Faction Warfare Army
Zack3000 Smith Endless Hatred 0	Posted - 2014.01.27 11:48:00 - [60] - Quote smh... I played bf4 the other day. guess what. I got my ass kicked. first time i played black ops 2. I got my ass kicked first time i played black ops. I got my ass kicked COD 3 modern warfare. I got my ass kicked alot. point is none of those games have an "academy" or balance between players. I will use to black ops 2 because i played it more that bf4. i could use the best gun the best equipment game in and game out. Some can do that here in dust. but then most after dieing a couple times will switch. while in Black ops 2. you can use the best gun and die 30 times and not think twice about it. Its just mind boggling that people really want a game mode for certain type of equipment they use. When i first started dust. I was thrown into the fire. Did i rage quit? yes. Did i take a break?yes. Did i keep playing?yes. I honestly think CCP wants one side to be stomped to be red lined. on the battlefield or even at a sporting event you should want to completely destroy you opponent. NOT ask if you have to same skills, speed or strength. LUCKY there isnt a Hardcore mode like the call of duty. most of you would have done quit. /rant

hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 12:02:00 - [61] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play .. FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ... Protostompers .. Why ? This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces 1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets' 2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away --- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ... I don't get much enjoyment where in a game after 3 minutes, its all redline snipers and no troops on the ground, its even so bad that i only get enjoyment out of the game when i am faced against 2 stacked teams solo, well a good team works aswell. I really want this game to succeed, on PC i am sick & tired of playing against aimbots, wallhacks, noclip etc hackers, but here i don't take enjoyment out of stomping the players into the ground, but what am i to do? Play in Starter fits just to make other people that i don't know feel good about themselves ? Last time i checked, it is still an FPS game. But ok ive done that on my alt char Cue Ckit and even with 600k sp a starter fit i still go 37/xx and while i am not overly attached to my KDR as i dont use tactics i still die quite allot, but going up against entire squads in a starter fit, or a coordinated squad is still suicide and i still like my status as a wreckingball. Back when i didnt have a protosuit, i was going up against guys like Askull Legend and his entire team, i like challenges, sadly most people want their kills to be spoon fed, automatic & easy and everyone else should just be put on equal level so they can feel better about themselves. mmmmm no actually, nothing feels better then a well earned kill, but you don't learn any thing but give the **** up and snipe from the red line when you are 0and12 for the 10th match in a row because every time you try to leave the red line or hack a point you are faced with a squad of proto while you are in mlt suit. I mean if I wasn't a CCP fan and had started playing this after all the vets were running proto I would have just went this is not a shooter this is another mmo with unbeatable high level behemoths but with out any decent protection from them, why should I waste my time just to be fodder for them. granted thats not what this game is but I can guaranty you that that is what new players are thinking. hell my roommate is unwilling to let accomplished FPS vets play this game for the first time with out his being there to guide them. So is it too much to ask that people minimize the use of proto gear in pubs?? To at least hold back unless its a hard fought battle??? Apparently because it turns out most vets don't want a challenging fight they want to feel all powerful they want to pull the wings off of flys. Oh wait here's the excuse well where else should I run proto gear, I mean what the point of having it if I'm not going to use it?? go to faction war thats almost always a proto stomp, then use pubs to run free suits to make isk for it. this is not a plea asking for every one to be the same I'm asking for players to do what CCP wont and give new players a chance and have your protostomp fun in facwar or in hard fought pub matches that actually warrant it. I mean why run proto if you can do as well in free gear, and if you can't, are you really so pathetic that you have to stomp new guys in pro gear to feel good about your self???
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2467	Posted - 2014.01.27 12:22:00 - [62] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: I feel for the new guys. Your corp has enough guys to make squads and team up. Unfortunately most of the FWA guys I see just run and gun. You can kill em and they come back to the same spot guns blazing. I don't see alot of tactics or thought put into your game play. You are easy to beat because of your predictability and lack of focus. we have a saying in the wolves. "If you're going to be vengeful, take some vengeance with you." All I have seen of fwarm is the use of turrets and a playstyle that screams "we go that extra mile to get farmed" Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic


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