So you think it is fair that a 12 year old 90 pound kid should fight mike Tyson. Do you think you will get new boxers this way? Is it fun or challenging for Mike? Maybe Mike could man up and handicap himself

This is along the line of thought involving a matchmaking fix.

How about, instead of immediately putting you/your sqd into one side or the other, you are all just queued into the battle. Then, once it is filled, as you are being pulled in, the sides are chosen based on the squad sizes in the "overall" lobby.

So in the example with 2 full squads, 2 partials, and several noobs, then the 2 fulls go opposite, the partials are split up, and the solos are distributed afterwards based on SP/WP.

This would limit the chance of 2 full sqds against solo randoms, as well as the occasional 11v3 matches I have seen recently would be impossible.

Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment.
Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment.
Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now)

I have a solution, one that I tried out earlier and one that works to glorious effect:

I entered a pub match of ambush and grenade suicided myself 49 times. Everyone on my team quit, noone on the other team got more than 3 killls.

This was awesome, I completely dictated the outcome of the battle. It's so much fun ruining this game for everyone else, just like the proto stomping d bags are doing, that I am going to ruin every match of Ambush I can join.

I invite everyone else to go full suicide all the time until the game is either fixed or deleted.

I have a solution, one that I tried out earlier and one that works to glorious effect:

I entered a pub match of ambush and grenade suicided myself 49 times. Everyone on my team quit, noone on the other team got more than 3 killls.

This was awesome, I completely dictated the outcome of the battle. It's so much fun ruining this game for everyone else, just like the proto stomping d bags are doing, that I am going to ruin every match of Ambush I can join.

I invite everyone else to go full suicide all the time until the game is either fixed or deleted.

So you think it is fair that a 12 year old 90 pound kid should fight mike Tyson. Do you think you will get new boxers this way? Is it fun or challenging for Mike? Maybe Mike could man up and handicap himself so it is fun and challenging for both and save his all out effort for Holyfield.

just give everyone 100mil isk and start with 20mil SP problem solved

In our defence there was only 2 of us.

I've said it more than likely a hundred or more times on these forums. Matches should be chosen by gear meta levels.

Ex;

Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment.
Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment.
Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now)

Each game mode would have an option of which to pick, similar to the way we pick game modes now. This would be a more simple way of splitting the players than something based on SP. Your point of an 8 million SP character proto stomping is valid, as is a 20 million SP player might only be running basic or advanced gear. Splitting players based on SP alone would be a poor way to create balanced match making.

One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes, but it is something that would help the game tremendously. If it didn't work out, it could always be removed.

One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes,

Mike Tyson wouldn't be put up against people brand new to boxing in the first place

Point is moronic

I've said it more than likely a hundred or more times on these forums. Matches should be chosen by gear meta levels.

Ex;

Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment.
Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment.
Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now)

Each game mode would have an option of which to pick, similar to the way we pick game modes now. This would be a more simple way of splitting the players than something based on SP. Your point of an 8 million SP character proto stomping is valid, as is a 20 million SP player might only be running basic or advanced gear. Splitting players based on SP alone would be a poor way to create balanced match making.

One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes, but it is something that would help the game tremendously. If it didn't work out, it could always be removed.

The Academy right now is totally useless. Even if myself was here before the new "system", I was told that you get promoted either by scoring more than 1200 WP or by finishing 3 matches, no matter the result.

And then *puff* you are now facing all New Eden merc's, including those who have been playing since the very first day.
No real training, no explainations about DUST works, no clues about races and so on... wow.
You are only given 500.000SP, a bunch of ISKs and there you go! Enjoy being killed over and over and over.

Now, that amount of SP is really inconsistent, you can barely fit a Base setup and, while ass CCP stated you shouldn't be able to use PRO gear, you should still be able to play in a reasonable way, not just being a moving target.



Not good, since even in MLT I could still benefit from CPU/PG upgrades and even the DMG proficiencies, resulting far more dangerous than a newbie, not to mention that I am fully aware of what to do while my opponent probably is not.

Mike Tyson wouldn't be put up against people brand new to boxing in the first place

Point is moronic

not to mention you are not being asked to tie your hands behind you back, you would be on more then even footing given that you would still be playing in a squad, and that you have a huge advantage in skills over new players.

this is this same ******* bull **** seen across the fourms where you justify your behavior because pooor you you are being robbed get over your self and ******* contribute or get the **** out.

It's your call, and your right, do what you want, but don't try and justify your abuse of bad game design. People keep trying to push for things that would break this game or keep it broken while playing the ******* victim because they would rather have a ****** up game that favors the way they want it to play then try and ******* help build one that will have the player base and balance to keep this game going, and I am ******* sick of it. At least have the ******* courtesy to admit that you want to break the game in your current favor, so that you feel special in at least one aspect of your waste of a life.


oooooohhhhh wait that would require you to have enough intelligence to be self aware.

Rainbow effect are a corp of under 20, so dont blame them
Theres always going to be a huge gap between new people and vets because of SP and ISK
This game is not meant to be fair - get that in your ******* head, this is new eden, if something is fair you arnt doing it right
This game is actually continually growing so the whole THIS GAME IS DYING argument no longer works
This game is always going to be like eve, a small player base that are dedicated, you are making yourself pretty obvious that you dont understand the game

I think you got one of the points being made quite well ;)

Tiericide pls.

2 things need to happen.


1. Corp battles and Squad matches (1 squad vs another)

2. Academy needs to be available AFTER a new player is turned loose on pubs. That was if things are too rough they can go back.

Make sure Academy have tiers 1m SP group >>> 2M >>> kick out at 3m.

That's how I look at it anyway.

The real problem is the match making, not the proto stomping. Why would two full squads of proto players be put on one team while the other team gets a half full squad and a bunch of players who aren't in a squad? It doesn't make any sense, especially when they're all in the same game. Why didn't the two proto squads be put on opposite sides and the holes filled in by the random non squad players? It comes down to an utter lack of match making by CCP, not a lack of players, or a proto stomp issue. I could understand this if it was FW because players can pick which side they're on, but for pub matches this should never happen.

Ex;

Squad 1 - Proto
Squad 2 - Proto
Squad 3 - Casuals
Squad 4 - Casuals
No Squad - Mixture

Squad 1 & Squad 3 put on one team. (12 players)
Squad 2 & Squad 4 put on opposite team. (12 players)
Other 4 slots on each team would be filled by the numerous no squad players queuing for the same game mode.

Obviously this is a utopian example. Things wouldn't ALWAYS work out this way. But if those were the given numbers of squads queuing at the same time, thats how they should be placed. Not with both proto squads on one side and the two casual squads on the other side. I very rarely see matches this way, which I think is the real problem.

Its a simple concept, I'm sure its more difficult to implement than we all assume, but isn't that why these people are game developers? They should be capable of figuring out a way to gauge certain squads and players queuing for a match and putting them in battles based on some type of criteria. I'd be willing to wait 1-2 minutes to get into a fair, good, battle than to be thrown against new players 9/10 matches.

I don't want to be accused of "ruining the game" for players because I enjoy to run proto in pub matches sometimes. I'd rather be placed against other squads in proto capable of putting up a good fight. Even if I was to switch to basic/advanced gear against those newberry/casual squads they'd still be hurting just as bad as if I was in proto. Never the less there will always be someone on either team QQ'ing even if theres only one player in proto on the opposite side who is murdering their whole team.

I'd also like to say if you're not capable of giving a proto player at least a run for his money in your advanced gear then you have a serious problem. Either your FPS skills aren't up to par or you're fitting your suits wrong. If either one of those are the case then perhaps you shouldn't be teaching new players how to play the game. I don't mean this as a troll but as a truthful statement. If you're going to teach newberries how to play you should have the proper skills yourself already.

I've said it more than likely a hundred or more times on these forums. Matches should be chosen by gear meta levels.

Ex;

Militia & Basic Gear - Only Militia and Basic suits can be worn, with only Militia and Basic modules/weapons/equipment.
Advanced Gear - Militia, Basic and Advanced suits can be worn, with only Militia, Basic, and Advanced modules/weapons/equipment.
Proto Gear - Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto suits can be worn, with Militia, Basic, Advanced and Proto modules/weapons/equipment. (basically what we have now)

Each game mode would have an option of which to pick, similar to the way we pick game modes now. This would be a more simple way of splitting the players than something based on SP. Your point of an 8 million SP character proto stomping is valid, as is a 20 million SP player might only be running basic or advanced gear. Splitting players based on SP alone would be a poor way to create balanced match making.

One could argue there isn't a large enough player base to fill all three tiers of battles for the three game modes, but it is something that would help the game tremendously. If it didn't work out, it could always be removed.

After Playing alongside 4 new players in a squad trying to make their first steps into the game and being completely and utterly protostomped by Rainbow Effect (In a public Domination Match) out of 2/5 games/Prima Gallicus AND Molon Labe in 1/5 games (yes 2 protosquads on 1 side and just our squad and 11 randoms on ours) and then against Maphia Clan and Ancient Exiles in the other (Yes thats right 2 protosquads on 1 team again v our squad and another 11 randoms on ours) I came to understand why I'd been reading mails in corp about how bad the game is, how unfair and unbalanced the matches are, how tired players are of being crushed in every single game they play ..

FWARM Is primarily a new player corp which offers training, information on how to use SP or what works, in game tactics etc etc and seeing countless messages from different players about the exact same issues time and time again I just thought I'd share this feedback with the community and ask ...

Protostompers .. Why ?

This game DESPERATELY needs more players, if there were more players more people would spend money in this game thus giving CCP more money to improve and develop the game faster, they could hire more people and make this game everythign it promises to be yet there are 2 MASSIVE stumbling blocks this game faces

1. CCP being completely unable to understand the NPE and to implement a system to actually CREATE 1 that isn't simply 'cannon fodder for the vets'

2. The Protostompers themselves ... It's as if they actually want the game to fail ... sure I've heard excuses saying it's CCP fault we are just playing the game ... but whilst CCP are guilty pf creating a ridiculous system bathed in inbalance YOU are the ones exploiting it and actually turning potential new players away

--- I'd just like to point out to the Rainbow Effect Person who mailed me QQ after I informed 1 of his squad mates how much their actions are hurting the game ... Yes it is QQ .. I want the game to succeed and YOU are causing the exact opposite ...