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Weznof Nalek What The French 7	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:47:00 - [1] - Quote As you have allowed players to respec a vehicle. For the next update, the infantry players will they have this respec too? You change the whole nature of the infantry by this new update. I shall reopen this issue every day until an official response. Thank you advance CCP.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2785	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:49:00 - [2] - Quote You can annoy them or you can wait for them to make a decision. Just about every day CCP Saberwing says that it is still being debated. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 134	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:49:00 - [3] - Quote We do not need them . CCP please disregard his request. lol
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 416	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:50:00 - [4] - Quote At least give us back dropsuit command. These changes are pretty drastic. Who cares what some sniper has to say
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3493	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:50:00 - [5] - Quote They'll just ban you. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2289	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:51:00 - [6] - Quote They gon give dat respec "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 29	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:01:00 - [7] - Quote If you do, include dropsuit upgrades as well as command. Otherwise I'm not even going to change it. Too much SP spent on hacking speed.
Galthur Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 275	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:18:00 - [8] - Quote Just respec Dropsuit Command NOT upgrades or weapons Get recruits for me, receive millions of ISK. Buying BPO Codes. [Forum Level: 8] [Scamming Level: 3]
Weznof Nalek What The French 12	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:24:00 - [9] - Quote Galthur wrote: Just respec Dropsuit Command NOT upgrades or weapons I am agree.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 726	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:24:00 - [10] - Quote Suanar Daranaus wrote: We do not need them . CCP please disregard his request. lol We? Correction: You. *Assassination is my thing.*

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12519	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:25:00 - [11] - Quote Still working on it. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1717	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:26:00 - [12] - Quote Assume Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry will all be respecced. Essentially everything that wasn't refunded in 1.7 will be returned to you in 1.8 (sans Corp skills) 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2206	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:26:00 - [13] - Quote Ultimate Bacon Double Cheeseburger from Jack in the Box is what life is all about. Natalie Portman.
pagl1u M The Rainbow Effect 252	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:28:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Still working on it. Please be sure they wont refund dropsuit command only. It d be stupid because everyone use his skills according to The suit he has skilled into.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2048	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:29:00 - [15] - Quote At this point i don't care if there is going to be one or not i just want to know because all my SP investment is being questioned because i don't know. Selling Templar BPO 250Mil
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12520	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:32:00 - [16] - Quote I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4200	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:37:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: worst case nothing. Way to raise my spirits. Winner of at least 10 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Vag Eye Lenol Planetary Asset Protection Services 20	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:40:00 - [18] - Quote It could be this... or it could be this... either way, your not getting an answer. You'll either be happy or unhappy, could be black , could be white, and if your blind guess it doens't matter,
Yelhsa Jin-Mao TheLostLegion 251	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:50:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. Can CCP please go jump off a very high glacier in that case, sick of their pathetic excuse of what they consider customer service. If they ordered a drink at my bar, i'd dip my balls in their glass and say I salted the rim for them. I can has ISK
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1718	Posted - 2014.01.23 21:53:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. If we don't get upgrades that's really not that much of a loss since essentially all of those skills would benefit whatever suit you specced into to some capacity. I do however think that Weapons must be paired with Dropsuit Command, otherwise those wishing to spec out of heavies will essentially get screwed with weapons they can't use. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5906	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:07:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. Suits and guns only doesn't even make sense. Dropsuit Command definitely needs a respec, and Dropsuit upgrades are directly dependent on what you are doing with Dropsuit Command plus slot layouts which have all changed. The tree that is least needing of a respec is Weaponry, but I can still see how you can argue that case. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2245	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:32:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. I could live with suits and weapons. Though if you could get me an Upgrade respec as well, I would definitely buy some more AUR Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
bamaboy27z The Lionheart Coalition 10	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:44:00 - [23] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Ultimate Bacon Double Cheeseburger from Jack in the Box is what life is all about. That and the Cajun fillet club from bojangles
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 191	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:49:00 - [24] - Quote You want a respec? for what? what are you going to spec into??? And how do you know what you spec into will be less trash that what you already have, how can you be sure it won't be made trash in a couple of months? want another respec then???
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3978	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:50:00 - [25] - Quote Weznof Nalek wrote: As you have allowed players to respec a vehicle. For the next update, the infantry players will they have this respec too? You change the whole nature of the infantry by this new update. I shall reopen this issue every day until an official response. Thank you advance CCP. I bought the Amarr Assault specially for the SCR rifle. Now its loosing its heat sink and the bonus replaced by something i dont even want to mention since it makes me sick. My Min scout was a necesity at the time where the Caldari / Amarr scouts where not available .Same with heavy, if I needed to use a Forge Gun, i needed a Heavy.And there was only ONE... The thing is many things are changing, FULL Fittings and Skill plans have been thown out of the window, same as me , many other players will Have effective fittings and strategies changed into useless crp. Many players wont be very fond of this ,specially if they dont get to re ajust their SP to be effective again. CCP just changing everything + adding stuff* is basically unbalancing the game for most players, we do need the respec . SPECIALLY now with most/all Racial Variants out. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Weznof Nalek What The French 16	Posted - 2014.01.24 11:52:00 - [26] - Quote We are Friday. I raise the topic.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 134	Posted - 2014.01.24 12:58:00 - [27] - Quote TLDR - JUST DO A FULL RESPEC AND BE DONE WITH! I say, release all of this, give everyone 1 full respec and be done with. I wouldn't normally ask but the changes are so drastic in some cases it is totally fair imho. After that respecs can be discussed as a way to possibly make CCP more money through the use of aurum. Even then I would like them limited - in a similar fashion to how you can respec attributes in EVE (I know it is somewhat different but the general time constraints seem fair)
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1086	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:40:00 - [28] - Quote Is this really so hard to discuss back and forth? It is a no-brainer to me, and should be a no-brainer to CPM and CCP. Why do you waste so much time on simple issues? I-¦ll help CCP with the decision: Give players respecs.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1081	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:01:00 - [29] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Is this really so hard to discuss back and forth? It is a no-brainer to me, and should be a no-brainer to CPM and CCP. Why do you waste so much time on simple issues? I-¦ll help CCP with the decision: Give players respecs. Its a no-brainer to me as well. No respecs please. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
TunRa NEW OMENS 405	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:15:00 - [30] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Is this really so hard to discuss back and forth? It is a no-brainer to me, and should be a no-brainer to CPM and CCP. Why do you waste so much time on simple issues? I-¦ll help CCP with the decision: Give players respecs. Its a no-brainer to me as well. No respecs please. But what about the heavy? Why do I get punished for having ONE suit to spec into to run my intended role? Thanks CCP Foxfour

THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 460	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:28:00 - [31] - Quote The forum search function enables you to check existing threads on topics related to the keywords entered into the search field. Using this, you will find a billion other threads for people begging for answers/respecs, regurgitating the same boring things over and over and over and over... If you did this, you'd see that CCP has made NO announcements what so ever. The closest you'll get is from Atli Mar at EVE Vegas 2013 vid on YT. 7.7 million unallocated and counting...with near flawless SP allocation and enough SP to spec into whatever I want come 1.8, GREY is prepared for all eventualities and has no worries. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 215	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:34:00 - [32] - Quote Aye I have decided to take my hat out of the respec ring. Tbh CCP is probably as split as the community. Hell for all we know its the only reason 1.8 isn't here yet Proto Stompers Information/Wanted board Tap, Tap
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1085	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:42:00 - [33] - Quote TunRa wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Is this really so hard to discuss back and forth? It is a no-brainer to me, and should be a no-brainer to CPM and CCP. Why do you waste so much time on simple issues? I-¦ll help CCP with the decision: Give players respecs. Its a no-brainer to me as well. No respecs please. But what about the heavy? Why do I get punished for having ONE suit to spec into to run my intended role? You aren't being punished. You'll still be able to run your Amarr heavy. You now have the option to spec into the new suits as well. But, in the spirit of sweetness and light, I'd support racial skill-swaps, where you petition the GMs and they swap a race-specific skill for the equivalent (new) skill for a different race. Minmatar Heavy for Amarr Heavy, for example. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 402	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:34:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. Well the Amarr Heavy Dropsuits are very ARMOR upgrade intensive. So if someone were to respec from the Amarr heavy to the Caldari one, then they would likely also want to have SHIELD upgrades instead of the now useless (to them) ARMOR upgrades that they skilled into. Just saying...
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 45	Posted - 2014.01.25 18:52:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. I guess we'll see a lot of nonsensical stuff then! Fast heavies Heavies with hack speed Heavies with low scan profile Scouts with rep tools Caldari with armor Gallente with shields
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10370	Posted - 2014.01.25 18:56:00 - [36] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. Suits and guns only doesn't even make sense. Dropsuit Command definitely needs a respec, and Dropsuit upgrades are directly dependent on what you are doing with Dropsuit Command plus slot layouts which have all changed. The tree that is least needing of a respec is Weaponry, but I can still see how you can argue that case. I see Weapons and Upgrades having equal importance, not only because of Heavy weapons, but because your suit largely dictates your upgrades, which in turn tends to dictate which weapon you gravitate to. So, worst case, I take a few months off from this game. In that respect, I'm almost hoping we don't get a respec Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 749	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:01:00 - [37] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: TLDR - JUST DO A FULL RESPEC AND BE DONE WITH! I say, release all of this, give everyone 1 full respec and be done with. I wouldn't normally ask but the changes are so drastic in some cases it is totally fair imho. After that respecs can be discussed as a way to possibly make CCP more money through the use of aurum. Even then I would like them limited - in a similar fashion to how you can respec attributes in EVE (I know it is somewhat different but the general time constraints seem fair) vehicles don't need a respec. No. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 920	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:07:00 - [38] - Quote Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10371	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:10:00 - [39] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens... It's an FPS game, not an RPG. You can stomp your feet and yell all you want, at the end of the day, this game has virtually no RPG elements. Therefore, the only role playing should be in your head. Since SP is not in your head, and almost all infantry options are being jumbled around again, respecs should come. I for one wouldn't even bother sticking with DUST, I have no interest in heavies anymore, and would just as soon put down the game then sit on all that SP that I literally only use a couple times a week, if that. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 216	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:24:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Still working on it. Please keep in mind that the current suit bonuses dictated the modules we spec'd into. Hacking bonus for min Logis is irrelevant now, and those that wish to spec out of it and into repair tools need to have that flexibility. Same goes for the new heavies, the scouts and one can only assume the rest of the medium suits who's skills are changing. I would push for a Refund but this would be very time intensive and since so much is changing already, respec us just like vehicles. When you finally introduce the new heavy weapons drop them like the RR and cr. your player base is overwhelmingly in favor of a respec, to ignore this outcry would not be advised.

Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 216	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:32:00 - [41] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: You want a respec? for what? what are you going to spec into??? And how do you know what you spec into will be less trash that what you already have, how can you be sure it won't be made trash in a couple of months? want another respec then??? Because I'm not a FOTM chaser. I want my min assault back, but I also want my points out of Amarr suits and ScR because CCP is changing the bonus. You miss the point, we want respects because the suit bonuses are changing drastically from what they were. Which in turn affects specifically the way you distribute the rest of your points. At 25mil sp, I have almost 5 mil invested into Amarr and ScR that once they change the bonus I don't want anymore. I will go cal scout and shotguns instead becaus I love scouts and shotguns. Not because I think they'll be FOTM.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 920	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:37:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens... It's an FPS game, not an RPG. You can stomp your feet and yell all you want, at the end of the day, this game has virtually no RPG elements. Therefore, the only role playing should be in your head. Since SP is not in your head, and almost all infantry options are being jumbled around again, respecs should come. I for one wouldn't even bother sticking with DUST, I have no interest in heavies anymore, and would just as soon put down the game then sit on all that SP that I literally only use a couple times a week, if that. I have accepted the fate and my decisions with my character from the moment i made them. I didn't come to the forums after or when they got changed demanding a Respecialization of my character... Stomping my feet and yelling... That's what this is stomping and yelling demanding the game be "fair to them" but its the same people over and over for 4 months. Meh
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10373	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:43:00 - [43] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens... It's an FPS game, not an RPG. You can stomp your feet and yell all you want, at the end of the day, this game has virtually no RPG elements. Therefore, the only role playing should be in your head. Since SP is not in your head, and almost all infantry options are being jumbled around again, respecs should come. I for one wouldn't even bother sticking with DUST, I have no interest in heavies anymore, and would just as soon put down the game then sit on all that SP that I literally only use a couple times a week, if that. I have accepted the fate and my decisions with my character from the moment i made them. I didn't come to the forums after or when they got changed demanding a Respecialization of my character... Stomping my feet and yelling... That's what this is stomping and yelling demanding the game be "fair to them" but its the same people over and over for 4 months. Meh Well that's wonderful for you, I'm glad you take the game so seriously. My builds are being buffed, a lot. Heavies are looking stupidly good. But, now scouts actually have a reason to exist, and all the AV I could ever want is wrapped up neatly in my Incubus. I have absolutely no desire to play my heavy, and won't stick with a game that forces me to abandon months of work because that aspect of the game holds absolutely no appeal to me anymore. That's just my personal reason, which I get isn't an argument for a respec in and of itself (though it probably should be), but the changes coming with 1.8 are sweeping and effect everyone on the ground in some way. For the first time in almost two years, we will have full racial representation of dropsuits. CCP has shown that they can do respecs nice and easy now, as the vehicle respec went off without a hitch. Until CCP has a foundation built, you can't even pretend that your past decisions hold any meaning outside of what you role play in your mind. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1141	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:47:00 - [44] - Quote why would they give you a respec?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10373	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:54:00 - [45] - Quote low genius wrote: why wouldn't they give you a respec? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:57:00 - [46] - Quote If I were you, I would be hoarding SP rather than hoping/praying/spamming about respecs.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10374	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:58:00 - [47] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: If I were you, I would be hoarding SP rather than hoping/praying/spamming about respecs. Hey, I'm with you anti respec people. I need something to finally push me away from this game, and not giving infantry a respec with 1.8 would seal the deal for me. So, keep fighting oh warriors of righteousness! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:01:00 - [48] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: If I were you, I would be hoarding SP rather than hoping/praying/spamming about respecs. Hey, I'm with you anti respec people. I need something to finally push me away from this game, and not giving infantry a respec with 1.8 would seal the deal for me. So, keep fighting oh warriors of righteousness! Who said I was anti-respec? I'm simply sharing my opinion about how to best handle the lack of clarity around the issue. Threatening to quit if you don't get your way is how my 7 year old nephew reacts when he doesn't get his way. Saying things like "I will continue to bump this thread until I have an answer" is similarly ineffective -- as evidenced by the lack of response to this thread and the other fifty like it. But do as you choose....
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10374	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:04:00 - [49] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: If I were you, I would be hoarding SP rather than hoping/praying/spamming about respecs. Hey, I'm with you anti respec people. I need something to finally push me away from this game, and not giving infantry a respec with 1.8 would seal the deal for me. So, keep fighting oh warriors of righteousness! Who said I was anti-respec? I'm simply sharing my opinion about how to best handle the lack of clarity around the issue. My apologies, hopped on hopelessness right now To be fair, you are indeed correct. And I'm not "threatening" anything. I'm just stating facts. I have no desire to play heavy come 1.8 and if I'm forced to stick with it, I will take a long break aside from periodically hopping in to troll a FW match or two. RE LAV, I choose YOU!! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 137	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:05:00 - [50] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Suanar Daranaus wrote: We do not need them . CCP please disregard his request. lol We? Correction: You. Really Smooth ? I've seen you play, your damn good. Why would you ' NEED ' a respect?

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:07:00 - [51] - Quote Meh, it won't be as bad as everyone thinks, Dust Fiend. You've been around long enough to know that. Just squirrel away a million or two SP, start an alt or five to play with the new suits, and spec into what's the most fun for you.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10374	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:09:00 - [52] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Meh, it won't be as bad as everyone thinks, Dust Fiend. You've been around long enough to know that. Actually, I think it'll be the opposite, the changes look great. **, if I had to stick with my heavy build I would basically be receiving nothing but strong buffs. 1.8 heavies look OP as if you ask me. It has 100% nothing to do with efficiency, and just the final realization that I am a scout on the ground and that's all I will probably ever truly love when it comes to DUST infantry. It's not like I want out of heavies because I'm being nerfed or I want to be OP, **, I barely even have any desire to use cloaks on my scout :/ And like I said, I'm not arguing for a respec because I lacked the foresight to realize that the heavy playstyle would just grow painfully old on me. While I think it's bad game design to lock people into things they no longer use, I can accept that it's the New Eden way. I'm just considering myself lucky in that the 1.8 changes warrant a respec in and of themselves, and thus, I may actually have the chance to save my interest in this game for at least a few more months to come, though likely longer. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:12:00 - [53] - Quote Lots of things have "looked OP". Numbers on paper do not necessarily equate with effectiveness on the battlefield. None of us know how this will turn out -- which is PRECISELY why I recommended what I did, above. Take care, gotta go run a few errands now...Leadfoot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 922	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:42:00 - [54] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: CCP has shown that they can do respecs nice and easy now, as the vehicle respec went off without a hitch. See you keep comming back to this point. CCP DIDNT RESPEC VEHICLES. They deleted whole skills from the game. Deleted whole items from the game. Changed the structures of the tree's. It would be Impossible to go back and add the skills back into players accounts. NOTHING LIKE THAT IS HAPPENING. We are getting new content and the stats and bonuses are being tweaked. Skills aren't getting deleted. Items aren't getting deleted. People think because some changes are coming to a video game that gets changed nearly every month for a year...they should suddenly be reimbursed all their skill points as if they never spent them and reallocated them as if you magically floated down to DUST with that SP, and didn't need any of it to get there in the first place. If this was about MY sp, and feeling MY SP should count for NEW SP and skills. and that CCP owed ME racial dropsuits for a year, and it's only fair that IIIII get a respec. Or MY friends and MY self will quit DUST. Then yes respec's make sense in DUST 514.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10375	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:43:00 - [55] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Lots of things have "looked OP". Point is, heavies are only receiving buffs. I personally don't want a respec because my stuff is getting nerfed, I want a respec because for the first time in a very long time scouts are getting some real lovin', and are actually being given a clear role with ways to actually fulfill that role. I want a respec because fun is important to me, and because letting people make informed decisions with their SP in relation to a totally new framework of suits is important to the health of this game that already is struggling with very low public appeal, even amongst its own dedicated fans. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1747	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:12:00 - [56] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Still working on it. Please keep in mind that the current suit bonuses dictated the modules we spec'd into. Hacking bonus for min Logis is irrelevant now, and those that wish to spec out of it and into repair tools need to have that flexibility. Same goes for the new heavies, the scouts and one can only assume the rest of the medium suits who's skills are changing. I would push for a Refund but this would be very time intensive and since so much is changing already, respec us just like vehicles. When you finally introduce the new heavy weapons drop them like the RR and cr. your player base is overwhelmingly in favor of a respec, to ignore this outcry would not be advised. Exactly Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 924	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:15:00 - [57] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Still working on it. Please keep in mind that the current suit bonuses dictated the modules we spec'd into. Hacking bonus for min Logis is irrelevant now, and those that wish to spec out of it and into repair tools need to have that flexibility. Same goes for the new heavies, the scouts and one can only assume the rest of the medium suits who's skills are changing. I would push for a Refund but this would be very time intensive and since so much is changing already, respec us just like vehicles. When you finally introduce the new heavy weapons drop them like the RR and cr. your player base is overwhelmingly in favor of a respec, to ignore this outcry would not be advised. Exactly Except it's been the same 100 people asking for a respec every patch for 8 months... or as long as they have played DUST. It doesn't matter to the new players much. Most of them don;t even know whats going on or that if a 1.8 patch is even gonna happen.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 218	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:27:00 - [58] - Quote Bethhy wrote: We are getting new content and the stats and bonuses are being tweaked. Skills aren't getting deleted. Items aren't getting deleted. Please link where this was confirmed. Please link Dev blog, confirmed release content, and these "tweaks" you speak of. I must've missed the patch notes... The point is without knowing what they are changing, then all of this is based on speculation. If they change the suit bonuses and that in turn directly affects the modules or sp allocation (hacking and min logi) then yes, the players deserve to redistribute their sp according to the "new" set of rules. Saying live with your decisions is great, I am and have been. But this is CCP changing my decisions, and because they are initiating the change, it warrants a respec.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 359	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:51:00 - [59] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. This is the most fair. Dropsuits were changed and added so significantly that a refund is something I see (and most of us) as essential. Weaponry, by proxy of the Assault changes, also makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades doesn't change anything. I think most people would want to have max Dropsuit Upgrade skills anyway as regardless of what suit you have you will want 5% bonus armor and shields.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10384	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:55:00 - [60] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. This is the most fair. Dropsuits were changed and added so significantly that a refund is something I see (and most of us) as essential. Weaponry, by proxy of the Assault changes, also makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades doesn't change anything. I think most people would want to have max Dropsuit Upgrade skills anyway as regardless of what suit you have you will want 5% bonus armor and shields. Dropsuit ugrades dictates equipment and things like hacking and speed modules and stuff. These are all highly dependent on what suit you use, and thus need to be refunded right alongside weapons and dropsuit command. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Amarrgheddon Warcaste 119	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:59:00 - [61] - Quote They still haven't made up their mind about a respec? Or worse they made up their mind and don't have the balls to announce it. I have something to confess: I am not left handed
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 925	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:03:00 - [62] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Bethhy wrote: We are getting new content and the stats and bonuses are being tweaked. Skills aren't getting deleted. Items aren't getting deleted. Please link where this was confirmed. Please link Dev blog, confirmed release content, and these "tweaks" you speak of. I must've missed the patch notes... The point is without knowing what they are changing, then all of this is based on speculation. If they change the suit bonuses and that in turn directly affects the modules or sp allocation (hacking and min logi) then yes, the players deserve to redistribute their sp according to the "new" set of rules. Saying live with your decisions is great, I am and have been. But this is CCP changing my decisions, and because they are initiating the change, it warrants a respec. They have changed a lot of things on a lot of suits. This time? It affects you. When it was Nerfing the fitting abilities of the Caldari Logistics suit? sure. When it was Changing the bonuses of the Caldari Assault suit? sure. But the hacking bonus?!?! They have linked the suit changes and tweaks, yes? they are not final... they have said that more racial suit content is coming out?. They have not talked about removing entire variants of items and simplifying tree's like on vehicles where they removed Logistical LAV's and DS's... restructured entire tree's, removed militia items, std, proto... No Items, weapons or skills are useless when changes occur. As anyone has been victim of a tweaked item that made it less effective, have still been able to use it to the point where it comes back(HMG?) Suit's and items will always change and get buffed, nerfed, added to and sometimes even removed... This is the nature of a game that consistently changes, gets added to, tweaked etc.. and new content like the Rail Rifle and Combat rifle which was saved up for and naturally progressed into when it became available.. works better for the game balance, the drive to have something new to train towards, and CCP's business model of having people try out new content and or inspire to use it, reflecting on the Aurum store to help them get there.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 193	Posted - 2014.01.25 22:07:00 - [63] - Quote Weznof Nalek wrote: I shall reopen this issue every day until an official response. Thank you advance CCP. I doubt you'll get much response by threatening the developers like that. The devs are in no way obliged to talk about anything they're doing,. It doesn't matter how much aurum you may have bought or how long you've been playing, you're still not entitled to any information regarding upcoming updates. If they wanted to they could close down the dev blogs and tell us jack ** and there's NOTHING you could do about it. The fact that they decide to tell us anything at all is not a right, it's a privilige. So get your ***** act together and can those threats about how you'll try to bother them until they give you a reply. If I was in their shoes, I'd stonewall the hell out of you if you approached me like that.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 48	Posted - 2014.01.26 15:58:00 - [64] - Quote All you people saying "don't give the respec" are being selfish. Just because you don't need one doesn't mean we all should suffer on your behalf.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 60	Posted - 2014.01.26 16:11:00 - [65] - Quote bamboo x wrote: All you people saying "don't give the respec" are being selfish. Just because you don't need one doesn't mean we all should suffer on your behalf. Exactly, why just dont make optionla loop and make it possible for people who want it. There was too many changes ingame and for people who spec in someone what is obsolete after change (CCPs change) its just logical step. They can make it, then hy not. If its good for part of community its good for community. Good for comunity, good for game and who is against its just agains part of community, ergo against comunity itself. Support - Tactician/Support
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 405	Posted - 2014.01.27 22:32:00 - [66] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: TLDR - JUST DO A FULL RESPEC AND BE DONE WITH! I say, release all of this, give everyone 1 full respec and be done with. I wouldn't normally ask but the changes are so drastic in some cases it is totally fair imho. After that respecs can be discussed as a way to possibly make CCP more money through the use of aurum. Even then I would like them limited - in a similar fashion to how you can respec attributes in EVE (I know it is somewhat different but the general time constraints seem fair) vehicles don't need a respec. No. Hell yes they will! Once they include the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles they better damn well give one. Right?
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 405	Posted - 2014.01.27 22:33:00 - [67] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens... i agree totally. That's why I've been advocating for this instead: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
DJINN Nukem Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 519	Posted - 2014.01.27 22:58:00 - [68] - Quote I just want to know cause I got 2.3 mill sp saved and if there is a respect I will feel like I have wasted a lot of time saving lol Trample The Weak Hurdle the Dead
Christiphoros von Poe Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 77	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:05:00 - [69] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: TLDR - JUST DO A FULL RESPEC AND BE DONE WITH! I say, release all of this, give everyone 1 full respec and be done with. I wouldn't normally ask but the changes are so drastic in some cases it is totally fair imho. After that respecs can be discussed as a way to possibly make CCP more money through the use of aurum. Even then I would like them limited - in a similar fashion to how you can respec attributes in EVE (I know it is somewhat different but the general time constraints seem fair) vehicles don't need a respec. No. Hell yes they will! Once they include the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles they better damn well give one. Right? The new skill tee was designed to be able to accommodate for that. If you skill into HAV's you skill into ALL HAVs... The only thing would be the vehicle specialization... Like pouring skills into Incubus piloting. But I'm sure it would be like adding new weapons. There will most likely be no respec. (1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12677	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:06:00 - [70] - Quote No updates; chinese new years after all :( CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 706	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:07:00 - [71] - Quote I would support at LEAST Dropsuit command, and Weapons respec. I would prefer a full infantry respec (including dropsuit upgrades) but I just don't know how much is "too much" to ask. Truthfully, I am saving for my secondary suit right now, and the outcome of what/if we can respec will determine the path I chose.
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 888	Posted - 2014.01.28 01:08:00 - [72] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No updates; chinese new years after all :( thx for keeping us posted. - LOGI REGISTRY, *LIBRARY, AND H.O.F. -
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 406	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:51:00 - [73] - Quote DJINN Nukem wrote: I just want to know cause I got 2.3 mill sp saved and if there is a respect I will feel like I have wasted a lot of time saving lol You already have wasted a lot of time. That's 2.3 million SP that could be kicking someone's ass today, but because CCP is stupid with how they implemented the verisimilitude of this game, you and I both get screwed.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 406	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:52:00 - [74] - Quote Christiphoros von Poe wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: TLDR - JUST DO A FULL RESPEC AND BE DONE WITH! I say, release all of this, give everyone 1 full respec and be done with. I wouldn't normally ask but the changes are so drastic in some cases it is totally fair imho. After that respecs can be discussed as a way to possibly make CCP more money through the use of aurum. Even then I would like them limited - in a similar fashion to how you can respec attributes in EVE (I know it is somewhat different but the general time constraints seem fair) vehicles don't need a respec. No. Hell yes they will! Once they include the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles they better damn well give one. Right? The new skill tee was designed to be able to accommodate for that. If you skill into HAV's you skill into ALL HAVs... The only thing would be the vehicle specialization... Like pouring skills into Incubus piloting. But I'm sure it would be like adding new weapons. There will most likely be no respec. So if I skill into a blaster or rail, I'll get the equivalent Minmatar skills? Dito for Amarr? NOPE not the same and definitely not equal.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 1	Posted - 2014.01.28 15:57:00 - [75] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Still working on it. Thanks for the update!
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 415	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:03:00 - [76] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Ultimate Bacon Double Cheeseburger from Jack in the Box is what life is all about. on sourdough Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
pdiddy anfama KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:13:00 - [77] - Quote Weznof Nalek wrote: As you have allowed players to respec a vehicle. For the next update, the infantry players will they have this respec too? You change the whole nature of the infantry by this new update. I shall reopen this issue every day until an official response. Thank you advance CCP. Just give everyone a respec... Just like we requested once a year... I want one. Time to try something different. What is the harm? Besides the try hards having every weapon and being able to spec into the flavor of the month. Why not give everyone a chance a flavor of the month. The one's not wanting a respec only smite people with the FOTM. Everyone will have the opportunity to try a new suit with respec. Swarms are almost useless unless the smack a tank with all there health down and no hardner remaining. Give the swarm guys a chance to go forge gun. CCP fix PC your core game mode Blah blah blah about locking districts as long as there is frame rate drops
Nirwanda Vaughns 295	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:16:00 - [78] - Quote My bet is dropsuit command sp/isk refund same as vehicles got. wouldn't hope for much else Proto and proud!!
Ripley Riley 390	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:22:00 - [79] - Quote I believe the last we heard was that it is being considered internally and that was quite some time ago. Well, you have been discussing it for weeks now. Care to let your players know what the hell is going on with respecs? Will an SP refund be given with the launch of 1.8? If yes, will it be a complete SP refund? If no, which branches of the skill tree will be refunded? If SP refunds are not being given, please provide the rationale behind this decision. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Sparky1510 Lunatic Response Unit 0	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:23:00 - [80] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. If we don't get upgrades that's really not that much of a loss since essentially all of those skills would benefit whatever suit you specced into to some capacity. I do however think that Weapons must be paired with Dropsuit Command, otherwise those wishing to spec out of heavies will essentially get screwed with weapons they can't use. I agree that weapons should be in tandem with DS command. I would like to have upgrades back. I skilled into alot of the equipment because I was running a logi. Turns out I am a terrible Logi though. lol. So if we get this respec, I will most likely be running a Sentinel. All that SP into equipment is going to be useless to me because I couldn't use it. I would really like to have all three areas (DS Command, Upgrades, and weapons) redone.



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