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THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 460	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:28:00 - [31] - Quote The forum search function enables you to check existing threads on topics related to the keywords entered into the search field. Using this, you will find a billion other threads for people begging for answers/respecs, regurgitating the same boring things over and over and over and over... If you did this, you'd see that CCP has made NO announcements what so ever. The closest you'll get is from Atli Mar at EVE Vegas 2013 vid on YT. 7.7 million unallocated and counting...with near flawless SP allocation and enough SP to spec into whatever I want come 1.8, GREY is prepared for all eventualities and has no worries. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 215	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:34:00 - [32] - Quote Aye I have decided to take my hat out of the respec ring. Tbh CCP is probably as split as the community. Hell for all we know its the only reason 1.8 isn't here yet Proto Stompers Information/Wanted board Tap, Tap
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1085	Posted - 2014.01.24 14:42:00 - [33] - Quote TunRa wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Is this really so hard to discuss back and forth? It is a no-brainer to me, and should be a no-brainer to CPM and CCP. Why do you waste so much time on simple issues? I-¦ll help CCP with the decision: Give players respecs. Its a no-brainer to me as well. No respecs please. But what about the heavy? Why do I get punished for having ONE suit to spec into to run my intended role? You aren't being punished. You'll still be able to run your Amarr heavy. You now have the option to spec into the new suits as well. But, in the spirit of sweetness and light, I'd support racial skill-swaps, where you petition the GMs and they swap a race-specific skill for the equivalent (new) skill for a different race. Minmatar Heavy for Amarr Heavy, for example. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 402	Posted - 2014.01.24 19:34:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. Well the Amarr Heavy Dropsuits are very ARMOR upgrade intensive. So if someone were to respec from the Amarr heavy to the Caldari one, then they would likely also want to have SHIELD upgrades instead of the now useless (to them) ARMOR upgrades that they skilled into. Just saying...
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 45	Posted - 2014.01.25 18:52:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. I guess we'll see a lot of nonsensical stuff then! Fast heavies Heavies with hack speed Heavies with low scan profile Scouts with rep tools Caldari with armor Gallente with shields
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10370	Posted - 2014.01.25 18:56:00 - [36] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. Suits and guns only doesn't even make sense. Dropsuit Command definitely needs a respec, and Dropsuit upgrades are directly dependent on what you are doing with Dropsuit Command plus slot layouts which have all changed. The tree that is least needing of a respec is Weaponry, but I can still see how you can argue that case. I see Weapons and Upgrades having equal importance, not only because of Heavy weapons, but because your suit largely dictates your upgrades, which in turn tends to dictate which weapon you gravitate to. So, worst case, I take a few months off from this game. In that respect, I'm almost hoping we don't get a respec Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 749	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:01:00 - [37] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: TLDR - JUST DO A FULL RESPEC AND BE DONE WITH! I say, release all of this, give everyone 1 full respec and be done with. I wouldn't normally ask but the changes are so drastic in some cases it is totally fair imho. After that respecs can be discussed as a way to possibly make CCP more money through the use of aurum. Even then I would like them limited - in a similar fashion to how you can respec attributes in EVE (I know it is somewhat different but the general time constraints seem fair) vehicles don't need a respec. No. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 920	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:07:00 - [38] - Quote Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10371	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:10:00 - [39] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens... It's an FPS game, not an RPG. You can stomp your feet and yell all you want, at the end of the day, this game has virtually no RPG elements. Therefore, the only role playing should be in your head. Since SP is not in your head, and almost all infantry options are being jumbled around again, respecs should come. I for one wouldn't even bother sticking with DUST, I have no interest in heavies anymore, and would just as soon put down the game then sit on all that SP that I literally only use a couple times a week, if that. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 216	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:24:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Still working on it. Please keep in mind that the current suit bonuses dictated the modules we spec'd into. Hacking bonus for min Logis is irrelevant now, and those that wish to spec out of it and into repair tools need to have that flexibility. Same goes for the new heavies, the scouts and one can only assume the rest of the medium suits who's skills are changing. I would push for a Refund but this would be very time intensive and since so much is changing already, respec us just like vehicles. When you finally introduce the new heavy weapons drop them like the RR and cr. your player base is overwhelmingly in favor of a respec, to ignore this outcry would not be advised.

Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 216	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:32:00 - [41] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: You want a respec? for what? what are you going to spec into??? And how do you know what you spec into will be less trash that what you already have, how can you be sure it won't be made trash in a couple of months? want another respec then??? Because I'm not a FOTM chaser. I want my min assault back, but I also want my points out of Amarr suits and ScR because CCP is changing the bonus. You miss the point, we want respects because the suit bonuses are changing drastically from what they were. Which in turn affects specifically the way you distribute the rest of your points. At 25mil sp, I have almost 5 mil invested into Amarr and ScR that once they change the bonus I don't want anymore. I will go cal scout and shotguns instead becaus I love scouts and shotguns. Not because I think they'll be FOTM.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 920	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:37:00 - [42] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens... It's an FPS game, not an RPG. You can stomp your feet and yell all you want, at the end of the day, this game has virtually no RPG elements. Therefore, the only role playing should be in your head. Since SP is not in your head, and almost all infantry options are being jumbled around again, respecs should come. I for one wouldn't even bother sticking with DUST, I have no interest in heavies anymore, and would just as soon put down the game then sit on all that SP that I literally only use a couple times a week, if that. I have accepted the fate and my decisions with my character from the moment i made them. I didn't come to the forums after or when they got changed demanding a Respecialization of my character... Stomping my feet and yelling... That's what this is stomping and yelling demanding the game be "fair to them" but its the same people over and over for 4 months. Meh
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10373	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:43:00 - [43] - Quote Bethhy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: Just put their foot done and say we are never giving respec's... get over it. live with the history of your character and naturally progress into the new content as they add it. This crying for a respec every single patch is never ever gonna stop until that happens... It's an FPS game, not an RPG. You can stomp your feet and yell all you want, at the end of the day, this game has virtually no RPG elements. Therefore, the only role playing should be in your head. Since SP is not in your head, and almost all infantry options are being jumbled around again, respecs should come. I for one wouldn't even bother sticking with DUST, I have no interest in heavies anymore, and would just as soon put down the game then sit on all that SP that I literally only use a couple times a week, if that. I have accepted the fate and my decisions with my character from the moment i made them. I didn't come to the forums after or when they got changed demanding a Respecialization of my character... Stomping my feet and yelling... That's what this is stomping and yelling demanding the game be "fair to them" but its the same people over and over for 4 months. Meh Well that's wonderful for you, I'm glad you take the game so seriously. My builds are being buffed, a lot. Heavies are looking stupidly good. But, now scouts actually have a reason to exist, and all the AV I could ever want is wrapped up neatly in my Incubus. I have absolutely no desire to play my heavy, and won't stick with a game that forces me to abandon months of work because that aspect of the game holds absolutely no appeal to me anymore. That's just my personal reason, which I get isn't an argument for a respec in and of itself (though it probably should be), but the changes coming with 1.8 are sweeping and effect everyone on the ground in some way. For the first time in almost two years, we will have full racial representation of dropsuits. CCP has shown that they can do respecs nice and easy now, as the vehicle respec went off without a hitch. Until CCP has a foundation built, you can't even pretend that your past decisions hold any meaning outside of what you role play in your mind. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1141	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:47:00 - [44] - Quote why would they give you a respec?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10373	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:54:00 - [45] - Quote low genius wrote: why wouldn't they give you a respec? Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:57:00 - [46] - Quote If I were you, I would be hoarding SP rather than hoping/praying/spamming about respecs.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10374	Posted - 2014.01.25 19:58:00 - [47] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: If I were you, I would be hoarding SP rather than hoping/praying/spamming about respecs. Hey, I'm with you anti respec people. I need something to finally push me away from this game, and not giving infantry a respec with 1.8 would seal the deal for me. So, keep fighting oh warriors of righteousness! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:01:00 - [48] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: If I were you, I would be hoarding SP rather than hoping/praying/spamming about respecs. Hey, I'm with you anti respec people. I need something to finally push me away from this game, and not giving infantry a respec with 1.8 would seal the deal for me. So, keep fighting oh warriors of righteousness! Who said I was anti-respec? I'm simply sharing my opinion about how to best handle the lack of clarity around the issue. Threatening to quit if you don't get your way is how my 7 year old nephew reacts when he doesn't get his way. Saying things like "I will continue to bump this thread until I have an answer" is similarly ineffective -- as evidenced by the lack of response to this thread and the other fifty like it. But do as you choose....
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10374	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:04:00 - [49] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: If I were you, I would be hoarding SP rather than hoping/praying/spamming about respecs. Hey, I'm with you anti respec people. I need something to finally push me away from this game, and not giving infantry a respec with 1.8 would seal the deal for me. So, keep fighting oh warriors of righteousness! Who said I was anti-respec? I'm simply sharing my opinion about how to best handle the lack of clarity around the issue. My apologies, hopped on hopelessness right now To be fair, you are indeed correct. And I'm not "threatening" anything. I'm just stating facts. I have no desire to play heavy come 1.8 and if I'm forced to stick with it, I will take a long break aside from periodically hopping in to troll a FW match or two. RE LAV, I choose YOU!! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 137	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:05:00 - [50] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Suanar Daranaus wrote: We do not need them . CCP please disregard his request. lol We? Correction: You. Really Smooth ? I've seen you play, your damn good. Why would you ' NEED ' a respect?

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:07:00 - [51] - Quote Meh, it won't be as bad as everyone thinks, Dust Fiend. You've been around long enough to know that. Just squirrel away a million or two SP, start an alt or five to play with the new suits, and spec into what's the most fun for you.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10374	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:09:00 - [52] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Meh, it won't be as bad as everyone thinks, Dust Fiend. You've been around long enough to know that. Actually, I think it'll be the opposite, the changes look great. **, if I had to stick with my heavy build I would basically be receiving nothing but strong buffs. 1.8 heavies look OP as if you ask me. It has 100% nothing to do with efficiency, and just the final realization that I am a scout on the ground and that's all I will probably ever truly love when it comes to DUST infantry. It's not like I want out of heavies because I'm being nerfed or I want to be OP, **, I barely even have any desire to use cloaks on my scout :/ And like I said, I'm not arguing for a respec because I lacked the foresight to realize that the heavy playstyle would just grow painfully old on me. While I think it's bad game design to lock people into things they no longer use, I can accept that it's the New Eden way. I'm just considering myself lucky in that the 1.8 changes warrant a respec in and of themselves, and thus, I may actually have the chance to save my interest in this game for at least a few more months to come, though likely longer. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:12:00 - [53] - Quote Lots of things have "looked OP". Numbers on paper do not necessarily equate with effectiveness on the battlefield. None of us know how this will turn out -- which is PRECISELY why I recommended what I did, above. Take care, gotta go run a few errands now...Leadfoot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 922	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:42:00 - [54] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: CCP has shown that they can do respecs nice and easy now, as the vehicle respec went off without a hitch. See you keep comming back to this point. CCP DIDNT RESPEC VEHICLES. They deleted whole skills from the game. Deleted whole items from the game. Changed the structures of the tree's. It would be Impossible to go back and add the skills back into players accounts. NOTHING LIKE THAT IS HAPPENING. We are getting new content and the stats and bonuses are being tweaked. Skills aren't getting deleted. Items aren't getting deleted. People think because some changes are coming to a video game that gets changed nearly every month for a year...they should suddenly be reimbursed all their skill points as if they never spent them and reallocated them as if you magically floated down to DUST with that SP, and didn't need any of it to get there in the first place. If this was about MY sp, and feeling MY SP should count for NEW SP and skills. and that CCP owed ME racial dropsuits for a year, and it's only fair that IIIII get a respec. Or MY friends and MY self will quit DUST. Then yes respec's make sense in DUST 514.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10375	Posted - 2014.01.25 20:43:00 - [55] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Lots of things have "looked OP". Point is, heavies are only receiving buffs. I personally don't want a respec because my stuff is getting nerfed, I want a respec because for the first time in a very long time scouts are getting some real lovin', and are actually being given a clear role with ways to actually fulfill that role. I want a respec because fun is important to me, and because letting people make informed decisions with their SP in relation to a totally new framework of suits is important to the health of this game that already is struggling with very low public appeal, even amongst its own dedicated fans. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1747	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:12:00 - [56] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Still working on it. Please keep in mind that the current suit bonuses dictated the modules we spec'd into. Hacking bonus for min Logis is irrelevant now, and those that wish to spec out of it and into repair tools need to have that flexibility. Same goes for the new heavies, the scouts and one can only assume the rest of the medium suits who's skills are changing. I would push for a Refund but this would be very time intensive and since so much is changing already, respec us just like vehicles. When you finally introduce the new heavy weapons drop them like the RR and cr. your player base is overwhelmingly in favor of a respec, to ignore this outcry would not be advised. Exactly Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 924	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:15:00 - [57] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Still working on it. Please keep in mind that the current suit bonuses dictated the modules we spec'd into. Hacking bonus for min Logis is irrelevant now, and those that wish to spec out of it and into repair tools need to have that flexibility. Same goes for the new heavies, the scouts and one can only assume the rest of the medium suits who's skills are changing. I would push for a Refund but this would be very time intensive and since so much is changing already, respec us just like vehicles. When you finally introduce the new heavy weapons drop them like the RR and cr. your player base is overwhelmingly in favor of a respec, to ignore this outcry would not be advised. Exactly Except it's been the same 100 people asking for a respec every patch for 8 months... or as long as they have played DUST. It doesn't matter to the new players much. Most of them don;t even know whats going on or that if a 1.8 patch is even gonna happen.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 218	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:27:00 - [58] - Quote Bethhy wrote: We are getting new content and the stats and bonuses are being tweaked. Skills aren't getting deleted. Items aren't getting deleted. Please link where this was confirmed. Please link Dev blog, confirmed release content, and these "tweaks" you speak of. I must've missed the patch notes... The point is without knowing what they are changing, then all of this is based on speculation. If they change the suit bonuses and that in turn directly affects the modules or sp allocation (hacking and min logi) then yes, the players deserve to redistribute their sp according to the "new" set of rules. Saying live with your decisions is great, I am and have been. But this is CCP changing my decisions, and because they are initiating the change, it warrants a respec.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 359	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:51:00 - [59] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. This is the most fair. Dropsuits were changed and added so significantly that a refund is something I see (and most of us) as essential. Weaponry, by proxy of the Assault changes, also makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades doesn't change anything. I think most people would want to have max Dropsuit Upgrade skills anyway as regardless of what suit you have you will want 5% bonus armor and shields.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10384	Posted - 2014.01.25 21:55:00 - [60] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'd don't think I'd be able to get upgrades; so suits and guns only. Like I said though conversation is ongoing. Best case full respecialization worst case nothing. This is the most fair. Dropsuits were changed and added so significantly that a refund is something I see (and most of us) as essential. Weaponry, by proxy of the Assault changes, also makes sense. Dropsuit Upgrades doesn't change anything. I think most people would want to have max Dropsuit Upgrade skills anyway as regardless of what suit you have you will want 5% bonus armor and shields. Dropsuit ugrades dictates equipment and things like hacking and speed modules and stuff. These are all highly dependent on what suit you use, and thus need to be refunded right alongside weapons and dropsuit command. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot



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