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C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 451	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:14:00 - [1] - Quote I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:16:00 - [2] - Quote mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3761	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote Right next to the Flaylock Pistol. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
CrotchGrab 360 The Men In The Mirror 1379	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:19:00 - [4] - Quote I used to love using a mass driver, I did pretty well with it, it took a long time but after 8 or 9M sp I have prof 5, 3x complex damage mods, 2x enhanced kin cats. it's a great setup for speed and power but only has around 300hp. thing is i've only had enough SP to use it when 1.7 hit, and it's a pretty useless suit. that's a dedicated alt pretty much thrown down the drain, now im dedicating the SP event to rail rifle proficiency, to join the masses, where's the diversity?!
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 93	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:19:00 - [5] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Closed Beta Veteran
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:23:00 - [6] - Quote calisk galern wrote: mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here. The flaylock was touched the MD wasnt, surely this is an indicator of the fact that actually the RR and CR are too versitile. They has no clear disadvantages, the CR lesd so because of its short range.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3435	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:29:00 - [7] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Of course everybody is going to use the best equipment. When you die in this game it matters. If you lose 10 proto suits in a row it matters. Crappy things are a waste of your time and that translates into a negative amount of ISK. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Rusty Shallows 852	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:33:00 - [8] - Quote C Saunders wrote: snip I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. On my Classic Logi Bro ALT Game changes has made that class almost impossible to play. Within dense urban areas it works well in Pubs unless the red-dots are aggressive and know what they can tank. Then they just blow through. Can't attest how well Mass Drivers are working for slayers. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:37:00 - [9] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: C Saunders wrote: snip I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. On my Classic Logi Bro ALT Game changes has made that class almost impossible to play. Within dense urban areas it works well in Pubs unless the red-dots are aggressive and know what they can tank. Then they just blow through. Can't attest how well Mass Drivers are working for slayers. Dense inside areas - Yay Anywhere else - Nay
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1659	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:38:00 - [10] - Quote C Saunders wrote: calisk galern wrote: mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here. The flaylock was touched the MD wasnt, surely this is an indicator of the fact that actually the RR and CR are too versitile. They has no clear disadvantages, the CR lesd so because of its short range. eh they will eventually be down as well, I suspect they will balance out around the same time shields have their up time again.

Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 526	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:42:00 - [11] - Quote Saunders still bullshitting that the RR is better than the CR smdh MD might have not changed but the fact is that there the maps are largely made for clear LOS fighting, so a shooter is going to be much more appropriate in the game than a trajectory weapon. Factor in all the nonsense about hitboxes and whatnot and its clearly going to be behind in the weapon of choice stakes. MD should get a huge buff against armor, like the plasma cannon needs, so it could maybe fill a much needed niche of a weapon that is effective against both infrantry and HAV but superlative against neither. Dust could use some kinda cover system as well, so that using grenades and MD/FL would be useful in a scenario other than blind firing into mobs of enemies.
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:49:00 - [12] - Quote Go away Obo, nobody loves you :P I think the MD is failing because lack of dense spaces. Inside of building it shines, but even getting to said building before being torn apart by a RR is a problem.
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:53:00 - [13] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 433	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:57:00 - [14] - Quote I started using MD from the very start and loved it. I enjoyed the tricky nature of prediction and trajectory. It was fun and rewarding to use and most importantly to me augmented the supportive nature of my logi kung-fu. I thought I'd always use it because pre DUST I haven't played much online FPS and my gun game is WIP. Now, I'm considering speccing out of it if weapons get refunded. Why? As stated, it is a big fat ** sucking POS with the inclusion of RR and CR and I feel gimped going onto the field with it. It's a shame, I always thought I'd be a masshole but the thing can kiss my *****. Probably going to spec into CR--already have RR. Rifle 514! Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 64	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:02:00 - [15] - Quote After getting put into an ending match a couple of nights ago I pulled out the mass driver just for its entertainment value. There was a tank maybe 30 m from where I came in. I hit it with at least 7 rounds, obviously direct hits. The match ended and reported that I had dealt 546 HP of damage. That was an exo_5 with 1 complex damage mod. I'm not sure what this is telling me but I can see why I have stopped using it.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 536	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:03:00 - [16] - Quote The rifles are already getting toned down in the next build. Same with Tanks. Once that happens, things should improve. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole Durka durka.... Bitch.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:06:00 - [17] - Quote You think the MD is bad now? Lol it going to get worse with Armor reinforced Gallente Assaults and all Heavies becoming immune to the weapon in 1.8. That and the Assault/Commandos ability to kill things even quicker with the AR in 1.8 as well.
Rusty Shallows 852	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:18:00 - [18] - Quote McFurious wrote: The rifles are already getting toned down in the next build. Same with Tanks. Once that happens, things should improve. He offers hope. BURN HIM WITH FIRE! But seriously what sources is the original statement from? It sounds smart so naturally I'm very skeptical. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 625	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:20:00 - [19] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Aim Assist is the splash damage. And what are you talking about, if you're not suppose to use the standard MD at 50 meters, where are you suppose to use it? 50 meters is the optimal range for the weapon. Assault can be used farther but forget scaring anyone away immediately, especially in 1.8. And destroying EQ is the reason to use it? A flux Nade could have done the same thing while taking out the opponent's shield; then you can finish them off with a Rifle.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 816	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:32:00 - [20] - Quote This is a symptom of the TTK issue. If the racial ARs get a significant base DPS nerf then weapons like the MD will be a lot more competitive. It was the HD fixes in 1.6 that really screwed the weapon balance. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea

Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:49:00 - [21] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Aim Assist is the splash damage. And what are you talking about, if you're not suppose to use the standard MD at 50 meters, where are you suppose to use it? 50 meters is the optimal range for the weapon. Assault can be used farther but forget scaring anyone away immediately, especially in 1.8. And destroying EQ is the reason to use it? A flux Nade could have done the same thing while taking out the opponent's shield; then you can finish them off with a Rifle. I mean LOL 50m may be the effective range but it isn't supposed to be used out in an open area killing rifle users or HMG users 50m away xD I've shot enemies from 50m away on a rooftop guarding a point from a group of enemies trying to break through and hack the point ... that is area denial .. that is the purpose of a MD ... situational ... if your going toe to toe with any rifle user or HMG user in the open then your going to die and you should die ... I have max mass driver proficiency .. max AR proficiency .. max RR proficiency and I don;t just use 1 weapon all the time I switch and change according to what I believe is required in that given situation ... In that match I mentioned I had been using the AR as it was a compound match and I didn;t require the extra range of the RR but we lost the point and it was well defended and the enemies were all bunched up around the point defending the 2 entrances so instead of trying to rush in with an AR and get slaughtered I took a position above them and shot down into the room using the trajectory of the weapon which meant they couldn't hit me .. this forced the enemy further back into the room and allowed the other infantry to jump down and take up a closer position and push them further into a corner and eventually we took out the rest of their uplinks and pushed them out of the room The MD is a beast in the right situation especially in domination .. my AR and RR couldn't have helped us win that game like the Mass Driver did As for your point about 1.8 .. I have no idea what it's going to be like .. because we don't have any details about whats happening in 1.8 but I will say this .. lets wait and actually see what they are like in 1.8 before we start calling for changes to it I love the Mass Driver and right now there is nothing wrong with it ... try using a proto suit, proto mass driver 3 complex damage mods and shooting into an enclosed area full of enemies and you'll understand what i'm getting at .. it doesn't need a buff it is fine as it is .. it fills its niche perfectly
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 129	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:56:00 - [22] - Quote A really fun combo I found is running a Breach MD on a scout and play it like a shotty, it's a blast (pun intended). Not new, just new to you.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 440	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:19:00 - [23] - Quote LOL I just want to hear what the people who called the mass driver a "noob tube" have to say about the weapon with the longest TTK now. And CCP never touched it! "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 382	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:39:00 - [24] - Quote Those saying TTK and aim assists are right. The MD hasn't been a goto weapon since 1.4 hit with the first round of hit detection fixes and aim assist. Where we are at now though it is pretty obvious what is going on. The MD, the LR, the sniper rifle, the shotgun, these weapons used to be used quiet often, but they are growing more and more rare. These weapons haven't changed in a long time, so you need to look elsewhere for the cause of their demise. Basically the rifles (all of them) are way to powerful and eat the other weapons niches. The rail rifle > laser rifle The CR > Shotgun and mass driver RR and CR > AR in every instance. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
sira draco Ancient Erectiles 40	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:43:00 - [25] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. i agree, its getting boring, everyones using FOTM
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1759	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:52:00 - [26] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Those saying TTK and aim assists are right. The MD hasn't been a goto weapon since 1.4 hit with the first round of hit detection fixes and aim assist. Where we are at now though it is pretty obvious what is going on. The MD, the LR, the sniper rifle, the shotgun, these weapons used to be used quiet often, but they are growing more and more rare. These weapons haven't changed in a long time, so you need to look elsewhere for the cause of their demise. Basically the rifles (all of them) are way to powerful and eat the other weapons niches. The rail rifle > laser rifle The CR > Shotgun and mass driver RR and CR > AR in every instance. Even back in 1.4. The AR was being used more than all other weapons combined (save the sniper rifle). The problem is, and always has been that the hitscan weapons in this game are OP and easy. Thus, the vast majority of the community settles on them, and CCP listens to the majority. So, the situation spirals out of control as time goes on. The TTK in Dust needs to be reduced significantly for there to be any meaning to build design and tactics. I still don't see that CCP is willing to do it, so here we are, nearly two years in still with AR 514. (Yeah, there are two new variants of ARs, but they are still ARs). There should be no "generalist" weapon at all, and if one exists it should be significantly less powerful than any of the hitscan ARs currently in Dust.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 457	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:54:00 - [27] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Been using a MD since open beta hit. I've had kills at 100+ metres with the thing. I know where every hit will land wjen I fire the thingMl Obviously 100m+ kills are not a common thing BUT I doubt you'll ever get that now. The range of the combat rifle is where the MD used to excel at but it now cant because the CR beats it in everyway but splash. Having also nearly got prof 5 in CR I can tell you now, the CRs fire is like a tight cone thats why its short range but you can and I have killed 2 guys in one burst. Look at the disadvantages the MD has: An arc Small amount of ammo Travel time Cant hit targets higher than you easily. 30% decrease in effectiveness against shields. Disadvantages of a CR: Small amount of ammo They both are meant for the same range now please tell me which is the obvious choice.
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 43	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:05:00 - [28] - Quote Your right about the rail and combat rifles being rediculous. CCP could've gave them the same power as oother already in game rifles and still we would've used them. Didn't need to make em op or any other weapon for that matter. I think they got beat to many times by assault rifles and wanted to dominate. Same thing with tanks and swarm launchers. And since their the creators they gave a the rail rifle at lvl 1 55 dmg and the combat rifle 1200+ rate of fire. Sounds like somebody wanted to beat up on the assault rifles lol! And I still kill with the assault rifles too lol! Man they not gone give us any kind of respec so we just gotta make do or find another game. Really don't think they listen to us all that much anyway. "Anybody order chaos?"
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1282	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:10:00 - [29] - Quote Their are only 3 places I can use a mass driver and be effective. The reactor core/supply depot corridors of the Large research hub in Domination. Camping the roof above B here Any of the catwalks over the roads on the Orbital Artillery Outpost (sorta) It is a breach weapon that is inferior to just lobbing grenades or spamming rifles, especially with grenades being so much more powerful and versitile. It was the love of my life but if I got a weapon respec it wouldn't be hard for me to not respec into it (besides I can use that SP towards my Gallente Ion pistol) Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 445	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:11:00 - [30] - Quote The MD is still great. Just not a stand alone weapon like it use to be. this might be for the best. Thr33 is the magic number.

Buster Friently Rosen Association 1761	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:17:00 - [31] - Quote ugg reset wrote: The MD is still great. Just not a stand alone weapon like it use to be. this might be for the best. Yes, if you like no variety and appreciate Dust as AR514. Then it is best. Somehow, that doesn't really seem to be working well, though, for player attention and retention. Dust already suffers from being way too generic. It should be a really cool FPS based in New Eden with a gritty atmospheric feel and a scifi wonder. Instead, it's just a lobby shooter, like any other military-arcade style shooter except less fun than most due to lack of content and polish.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:06:00 - [32] - Quote Forgot to mention the ridiculous reload speed in addition to all the other deficiencies. I've got everything but the pg buff at 5 on MD and even with 4 complex damage mods it's a joke of a weapon in all but the most rare of circumstances. Even with the proposed (and trivial) 2% bonus the minmatar commando suit gives it, I don't see MD having any regular usuage on Rifle 514. I highly doubt I'll respec into it after 1.8. CCP builds the game according to popular opinion, not to make it a truly competitive FPS. It took them 10 years to get EVE even moderately successful. I expect DUST will fair little better.... But, I suppose we can always hope, huh?
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:19:00 - [33] - Quote Oh, and let's not forget the odd suicide in pub matches because a teammate stepped into your line of fire.... So much potential.... alas, CCP has turned a blind eye to the plight of the Mass Driver. Will the Jove Gods hear our pleas? Not likely.....
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 178	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:24:00 - [34] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Thats wat I gather from the new EP. Wants to make dust a FagField4 clone. Do wat brings money amirite? GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 06:35:00 - [35] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Munin-Frey wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Couldn't agree more. Thats wat I gather from the new EP. Wants to make dust a FagField4 clone. Do wat brings money amirite?
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2922	Posted - 2014.01.22 07:34:00 - [36] - Quote Where have you been? Mass Driver died back in 1.4. No.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1625	Posted - 2014.01.22 08:12:00 - [37] - Quote Anyone else noticed the old MD glitches returning, when using it yesterday the smoke trail would land in spot A yet the explosion would occur 10m away in spot B (old bug fixed but seems to come back from time to time albeit more rare.) No hitmarkers pretty self explanitory some times they are there some times they are not and even more fun sometimes if you hit a red it comes up as if your hitting a friendly, fire... nothing happens ammo count doesn't change then half a second later it fires, invisible rounds. All weapons have their bugs (rail rifle phantom firing for example) but couple these bugs on a weapon with a very low DPS then give all heavies a 25% resistance to said weapon plus add in the nanohive nerf to an already nanite hungry weapon and I can see MD use becoming pretty much nil besides a few dedicated massholes. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12474	Posted - 2014.01.22 08:41:00 - [38] - Quote Waits for blueposts. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1625	Posted - 2014.01.22 08:54:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Waits for blueposts. In a mass driver thread, you will be waiting a long time. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 545	Posted - 2014.01.22 09:24:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Waits for blueposts. If they do show up, I'd like to recommend a direct damage buff and an extra clip worth of ammo. Especially with nanite reductions to hives on the way. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole Durka durka.... Bitch.

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 549	Posted - 2014.01.22 09:35:00 - [41] - Quote The Mass Driver is slowly getting phased out. Kind of like the laser rifle. Give it time and the shotgun and PlC will follow suit. Best get ready to enjoy AR514. I wish a Dev would mention something about weapon balance before any kind of respec, that way either everyone abandons these weapons and we can just remove them or we can hold out hope. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12476	Posted - 2014.01.22 09:41:00 - [42] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Waits for blueposts. In a mass driver thread, you will be waiting a long time. Edit remember when they nerfed the MD incase it became too OP when fixed due to an in office game where they decided that one game was better for determining the stats than months of feedback/data gathering? Yeah I remember an MD thread then about why nerf it before it works reaching 15-16 pages and no blue posts (+ similar for other weapons to be fair.). They may look at these kinds of threads (and hopefully listen) but a dev post in threads like these are few and far between, although to be fair they seem to be getting better at communicating with us lately. Also Mr IWS where is the concept art for the new suits I remember in one thread you said you had seen them and they looked great but we weren't getting to see them till they were exactly what they looked like in game allot of people said they would like concept art so you know pretty please go pester an artist for us. Oh.. I have a funny feeling I wouldn't have to wait long for either weapon. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1626	Posted - 2014.01.22 10:14:00 - [43] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Waits for blueposts. In a mass driver thread, you will be waiting a long time. Edit remember when they nerfed the MD incase it became too OP when fixed due to an in office game where they decided that one game was better for determining the stats than months of feedback/data gathering? Yeah I remember an MD thread then about why nerf it before it works reaching 15-16 pages and no blue posts (+ similar for other weapons to be fair.). They may look at these kinds of threads (and hopefully listen) but a dev post in threads like these are few and far between, although to be fair they seem to be getting better at communicating with us lately. Also Mr IWS where is the concept art for the new suits I remember in one thread you said you had seen them and they looked great but we weren't getting to see them till they were exactly what they looked like in game allot of people said they would like concept art so you know pretty please go pester an artist for us. Oh.. I have a funny feeling I wouldn't have to wait long for either weapon. Quoted for proof. If we get a devblog/devpost about this kind of thing soon I will come back and like your post, if not I will pull this quote out from time to time as a way to say "see you don't know everything" lol. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 213	Posted - 2014.01.22 10:56:00 - [44] - Quote C Saunders wrote: calisk galern wrote: mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here. The flaylock was touched the MD wasnt, surely this is an indicator of the fact that actually the RR and CR are too versitile. They has no clear disadvantages, the CR lesd so because of its short range. RR is "versatile" because the its easy to take advantage of open spaces far more than it is to take advantage of close quarters situations. however RR has a major disadvantage with its charge up delay in close quarters. if you can figure out the "trick" then suddenly RR close up can turn into an easy kill.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:14:00 - [45] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Anyone else noticed the old MD glitches returning, when using it yesterday the smoke trail would land in spot A yet the explosion would occur 10m away in spot B (old bug fixed but seems to come back from time to time albeit more rare.) No hitmarkers pretty self explanitory some times they are there some times they are not and even more fun sometimes if you hit a red it comes up as if your hitting a friendly, fire... nothing happens ammo count doesn't change then half a second later it fires, invisible rounds. All weapons have their bugs (rail rifle phantom firing for example) but couple these bugs on a weapon with a very low DPS then give all heavies a 25% resistance to said weapon plus add in the nanohive nerf to an already nanite hungry weapon and I can see MD use becoming pretty much nil besides a few dedicated massholes. Yup. Misfires and not rendering being the worst of them.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 112	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:30:00 - [46] - Quote Go in any game now and you will see the issue. RR - generally the standard versions but sometimes the assault versions are most used. CR - next most used weapon. People only use the AR because they have already had it skilled into but generally now because they have the BPO of this weapon. Heavies are using light weapons now as much as they use heavy weapons. Other than that... MD is in the past Laser - in the past Flaylock - in the past Plasma Cannon - never got started let alone in the past...
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 112	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:32:00 - [47] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: C Saunders wrote: calisk galern wrote: mass driver was starting to get pretty dominant before 1.7 hit. flaylock used to be amazing, now it's a joke. shields were up, now armor is up, and eventually armor will be down again. it's how things roll here. The flaylock was touched the MD wasnt, surely this is an indicator of the fact that actually the RR and CR are too versitile. They has no clear disadvantages, the CR lesd so because of its short range. RR is "versatile" because the its easy to take advantage of open spaces far more than it is to take advantage of close quarters situations. however RR has a major disadvantage with its charge up delay in close quarters. if you can figure out the "trick" then suddenly RR close up can turn into an easy kill. The only time the RR is not a problem is if you can duck in and out of cover fast, the problem is decent RR users just pre fire before they pop out so basically it has very little in the way of downsides.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:44:00 - [48] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Aim Assist is the splash damage. And what are you talking about, if you're not suppose to use the standard MD at 50 meters, where are you suppose to use it? 50 meters is the optimal range for the weapon. Assault can be used farther but forget scaring anyone away immediately, especially in 1.8. And destroying EQ is the reason to use it? A flux Nade could have done the same thing while taking out the opponent's shield; then you can finish them off with a Rifle. I mean LOL 50m may be the effective range but it isn't supposed to be used out in an open area killing rifle users or HMG users 50m away xD I've shot enemies from 50m away on a rooftop guarding a point from a group of enemies trying to break through and hack the point ... that is area denial .. that is the purpose of a MD ... situational ... if your going toe to toe with any rifle user or HMG user in the open then your going to die and you should die ... I have max mass driver proficiency .. max AR proficiency .. max RR proficiency and I don;t just use 1 weapon all the time I switch and change according to what I believe is required in that given situation ... In that match I mentioned I had been using the AR as it was a compound match and I didn;t require the extra range of the RR but we lost the point and it was well defended and the enemies were all bunched up around the point defending the 2 entrances so instead of trying to rush in with an AR and get slaughtered I took a position above them and shot down into the room using the trajectory of the weapon which meant they couldn't hit me .. this forced the enemy further back into the room and allowed the other infantry to jump down and take up a closer position and push them further into a corner and eventually we took out the rest of their uplinks and pushed them out of the room The MD is a beast in the right situation especially in domination .. my AR and RR couldn't have helped us win that game like the Mass Driver did As for your point about 1.8 .. I have no idea what it's going to be like .. because we don't have any details about whats happening in 1.8 but I will say this .. lets wait and actually see what they are like in 1.8 before we start calling for changes to it I love the Mass Driver and right now there is nothing wrong with it ... try using a proto suit, proto mass driver 3 complex damage mods and shooting into an enclosed area full of enemies and you'll understand what i'm getting at .. it doesn't need a buff it is fine as it is .. it fills its niche perfectly Who says it isn't? I've blown up Soma's with it before. The point is it and the plasma cannon are the most useless weapons in the game. Fills it's niche perfectly? LOL It's supposed be a breach weapon too. With max proficiency and 4 complex damage mods it's STILL fails at getting any respect from the enemy. It's HIGHLY dependent on nano hives, has the highest TTK leagues above any other weapon. To compare it to a sniper rifle is intellectually dishonest. MD is supposed to be a breaching weapon, ie: frontline/ point weapon. Even with TTK as it is now, the MD doesn't benefit from it. Apparently you think it should be Rifle 514. What we're saying is if one weapon has it's role, they all should have equal utility. Otherwise, why have such a variety of weapons if only 2-3 have any real versatility? It stagnates the game when everyone's using the flavor of the month weapon. As it is, I'd just assuming stand up high on a nanohive and chunk core locus down into an area as that would be far more effective than a mass driver.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2053	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:16:00 - [49] - Quote The only way to kill efficiently with the mass driver now is to use grenades. Find an enemy, cook grenade, let go when you hear the beep, start spamming mass driver rounds til they're dead. It doesn't kill very fast, but it does hit people around corners. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12486	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:16:00 - [50] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The only way to kill efficiently with the mass driver now is to use grenades. Find an enemy, cook grenade, let go when you hear the beep, start spamming mass driver rounds til they're dead. It doesn't kill very fast, but it does hit people around corners. DFA the mass driver but mass drivers are not supposed to be artillery support. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 1	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:40:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The only way to kill efficiently with the mass driver now is to use grenades. Find an enemy, cook grenade, let go when you hear the beep, start spamming mass driver rounds til they're dead. It doesn't kill very fast, but it does hit people around corners. DFA the mass driver but mass drivers are not supposed to be artillery support. It's an explosive ordnance. A hand grenade kills. Remote explosives can kill tanks. The mass driver gets the user killed.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12493	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:41:00 - [52] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The only way to kill efficiently with the mass driver now is to use grenades. Find an enemy, cook grenade, let go when you hear the beep, start spamming mass driver rounds til they're dead. It doesn't kill very fast, but it does hit people around corners. DFA the mass driver but mass drivers are not supposed to be artillery support. It's an explosive ordnance. A hand grenade kills. Remote explosives can kill tanks. The mass driver gets the user killed. Its a decent anti lav weapon well the breach variant is. Also annoys the crud out of havs in urbanized environments. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 446	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:31:00 - [53] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: ugg reset wrote: The MD is still great. Just not a stand alone weapon like it use to be. this might be for the best. Dust already suffers from being way too generic ............................................________........................ ....................................,.-GÇÿGÇ¥...................``~.,.................. .............................,.-GÇ¥...................................GÇ£-.,............ .........................,/...............................................GÇ¥:,........ .....................,?......................................................\,..... .................../...........................................................,}.... ................./......................................................,:`^`..}.... .............../...................................................,:GÇ¥........./..... ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../..... ............./__.(.....GÇ£~-,_..............................,:`........../........ .........../(_....GÇ¥~,_........GÇ£~,_....................,:`........_/........... ..........{.._$;_......GÇ¥=,_.......GÇ£-,_.......,.-~-,},.~GÇ¥;/....}........... ...........((.....~_.......GÇ¥=-._......GÇ£;,,./`..../GÇ¥............../............ ...,,,___.\`~,......GÇ£~.,....................`.....}............../............. ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-GÇ¥............... ............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\................... .............\`~.-,.....................................\|,./.....\,__........... ,,_..........}.>-._\...................................\|..............`=~-,.... .....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\........................ ...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\....................... ................................`:,,...........................`\..............__.. .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==``....... ........................................_\..........._,-%.......`\............... ...................................,<`.._\|_,-&``................`\.............. I'm a prof IV MD user. that is not to say It is my only proto weapnon or my most used. all I am saying is that when I pull it out it gets the job done. ARs are better than MDs because they are more practical in most situations. heck get half my kill from my side arm evern when I run my freedom. Thr33 is the magic number.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2057	Posted - 2014.01.23 03:04:00 - [54] - Quote I feel we need to get a squad together of 6 of us proto mass driver users and just go to town on the enemy. Maybe one person with a laser rifle to be extra annoying XD Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 458	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:49:00 - [55] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing The mass driver only denies areas from idiots and noobs. Any decent rifle user will pop out of cover and shoot me in the head before my 2nd or 3rd round hits. Hell, if they're feeling really cocky, they could intentionally take the 3rd round directly to the face, and then shoot me in the head. That's some broken BS, and it'll remain broken until the rifles get a well deserved nerf.
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 219	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:33:00 - [56] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Dude, we know how to use it and what it's for! The problem is that it now feels very weak and it's no longer a viable primary weapon even when rolling with a squad, even less so when you're a logi and have no sidearm. Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 172	Posted - 2014.01.23 06:38:00 - [57] - Quote Well yea. The mass driver is pretty irrelevant at the moment mostly due to how well the RR and CR had become, I did not see that at the the time and had speced into the RR day one only to realize later on how effective it was. Although I would argue the Mass Driver still outperforms the Laser Rifle anyway and you can get some good kills with it...but not really worth it when it compared to the current rifles. I am sure the LR is being looked at on how it can be improved but my time with the RR has had me wondering if the MD itself needs some rebalancing. The MD's ammo capacity is outdated in light of the nano hive changes in 1.8. It also could probably help if they played up the main strength of the weapon and increased the splash radius across the base and assault versions. Also...Remove the weapon sight on the MD, it is useless, a distraction and I achieve better kills without using it at all. The weirdest Dust player you ever met.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 466	Posted - 2014.01.23 18:07:00 - [58] - Quote Any blue tags on the horizon? Surely CCP you must have kill stats for the 4 rifles and compare that to the MD kill stats. Surely theres a difference on number of kills each. You must be able to see that the RR and CR kill faster than other weapons. It really bugs me when you guys dont seem to see what the majority are seeing.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.23 22:46:00 - [59] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Any blue tags on the horizon? Surely CCP you must have kill stats for the 4 rifles and compare that to the MD kill stats. Surely theres a difference on number of kills each. You must be able to see that the RR and CR kill faster than other weapons. It really bugs me when you guys dont seem to see what the majority are seeing. I don't think they care much, tbh. The majority of people are perfectly ok with flavor of the month weapons (rifles). It's just more work for them and they have so much to do already I doubt even if they care it'd be a high priority. It's unfortunate, but that seems to be the reality we're facing.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:30:00 - [60] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Well yea. The mass driver is pretty irrelevant at the moment mostly due to how well the RR and CR had become, I did not see that at the the time and had speced into the RR day one only to realize later on how effective it was. Although I would argue the Mass Driver still outperforms the Laser Rifle anyway and you can get some good kills with it...but not really worth it when it compared to the current rifles. I am sure the LR is being looked at on how it can be improved but my time with the RR has had me wondering if the MD itself needs some rebalancing. The MD's ammo capacity is outdated in light of the nano hive changes in 1.8. It also could probably help if they played up the main strength of the weapon and increased the splash radius across the base and assault versions. Also...Remove the weapon sight on the MD, it is useless, a distraction and I achieve better kills without using it at all. I'd say leave the sight. It's how I measure distance.

Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:37:00 - [61] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Munin-Frey wrote: C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Of course everybody is going to use the best equipment. When you die in this game it matters. If you lose 10 proto suits in a row it matters. Crappy things are a waste of your time and that translates into a negative amount of ISK. You're right, but is that the kind of game you want: no diversity, everybody running the same gear, items in the market nobody uses. Yes, it makes sense to use the win gun, but it makes more sense when no one weapon has any dominance over any other.
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 791	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:49:00 - [62] - Quote There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6125	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:52:00 - [63] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. He shamed my buddy and me when he joined our squad, earns his own OB, and got 32 kills.....and we were ******* around tank wrestling and make crappy bane impressions. But yeah he's OP nerf him. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.23 23:55:00 - [64] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.24 00:01:00 - [65] - Quote True Adamance wrote: MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. He shamed my buddy and me when he joined our squad, earns his own OB, and got 32 kills.....and we were ******* around tank wrestling and make crappy bane impressions. But yeah he's OP nerf him. I appreciate the humor guys, but please, in all seriousness, the MD is a joke.
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:28:00 - [66] - Quote Here's a question: how many people think there should be stand alone variants other then some sort of rifle?
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 526	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:49:00 - [67] - Quote IMHO the MD is one of the hardest to balance weapons in the game (well this is basicly true for all splash weapons). The line between up and op is very thin. And i honestly don't know how to balance this weapon properly... I guess this is why other shooters limit explosive weapons quite a lot. As a scout I still fear the MD and its splash damage a lot.
Rifter7 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 325	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:55:00 - [68] - Quote rail rifle you need constant los. mass driver doesnt. not saying rail rifles balanced, mind you.
Sentient Archon 1442	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:56:00 - [69] - Quote LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Azura Sakura Altyr Initiative 576	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:57:00 - [70] - Quote I think I am the only one thinking MD should is meant for support purposes xD. When there is a map with cqc and everyone is group together, I pull out the MD to soften them up and spread them out. I think MD is fine imo, better than when they were fotm....

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1518	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:59:00 - [71] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say. Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range. The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more. The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands. Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air. I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Also don't forget they have optimized allot of the Framerate issues dealing with explosives, while it was pre 1.7 almost impposible to aim at a masshole while he was lagging your screen to kingdom come, it is now crystal clear of lag (most) of the time as the explosive explode and you just kill the guy anyways. Pre 1.7 i had no chance against a 3x stacked damage modded hitting the wall 10 feet next to me, but now they r just easy pickings for my Candy Rifle, i mean Combat Rifle. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Sentient Archon 1442	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:59:00 - [72] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: I think I am the only one thinking MD should is meant for support purposes xD. When there is a map with cqc and everyone is group together, I pull out the MD to soften them up and spread them out. I think MD is fine imo, better than when they were fotm.... People forget MD and Lasers are AOD not slayer. My 2-3 kills and 20+ assists speak great things for the MD. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6013	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:03:00 - [73] - Quote Brian LaFleur wrote: MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit. Having the skills unlocked does not necessarily mean you are skilled at the weapon. If there are people out there doing very well with the mass driver, and you're not, then part of the problem is you rather than the mass driver. Go seek this rug, learn his ways. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1680	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:18:00 - [74] - Quote I have been advocate for the Mass Driver since day 1, it was my first ever weapon. I have been through the bad times, when rounds would phase through opponennts and the floor. The good when it was the first weapon to have working hit detection, to the lag when shots fired seconds after pulling the trigger. I have used it in every conceivable role, I've done short range breaching, long range suppression, area denial, flanking, 1v1, AV. You name I've done it with my Mass Driver. But since 1.4 its been slowly getting worse, its not the mass drivers fault, but armour buffs, HROF hit detection, 2 new rifles have all worn down the Mass Driver to ALMOST pointless. The mass driver was never a high DPS weapon, but the rifles are getting worse, it just can't match the damage. Its time to bring down the rifles, a gallante assault rifle gets over 4 seconds of fire time, with 400 DPS that's alot. I personally believe the DPS should be approximately 300 at proto level, this would make other weapons relevant again. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1680	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:25:00 - [75] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Azura Sakura Altyr Initiative 577	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:32:00 - [76] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. Instead of viable use situational. But as it is now, scanners are to strong, counter scout easily and LR is out performed by RR. I still think MD is fine because it as a AOE weapon and has potential to change the tide of the fight if used correctly.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1680	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:38:00 - [77] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. Instead of viable use situational. But as it is now, scanners are to strong, counter scout easily and LR is out performed by RR. I still think MD is fine because it as a AOE weapon and has potential to change the tide of the fight if used correctly. Not Quite, unless you are running in a squad with 5 rifles its too situauational to be useful. People aren't afraid of it, it isn't useful when the corridor you are lobbing rounds down has more than 1 rifle aware of your presence. Ut is litteraly only good for hitting behind cover. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Sentient Archon 1443	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:43:00 - [78] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. One thing about the CCP map design even though the maps are still too big supports ALL weapons being used... Yes... I said it... ALL weapons can be used on all maps including LOLPlasma Rifles. If at all any weapon needs looking into its the Plasma Rifle. For MDs and Lasers what I said still stands. I will give you another useful hint;- learn how to fly a dropship or squad up with someone who knows how to fly a dropship. Boom shaka lakka boom! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Azura Sakura Altyr Initiative 577	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:44:00 - [79] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: LMFAO! MDs and Lasers are still viable weapons. You just need to know where to use. Laser hint: Open LOLMaps behind covers MD hint: Always shoot down ROFL! You forget to mention the Rail Rifle having better range and DPS then the laser, you also forget to mention that when defending a point there is rarely high ground close enough to be relevant. They may be "Viable" but if you wanna say that then you could easily say the scout is still viable. Viable doesn't mean useful or relevant the mass driver and laser rifle are neither. Instead of viable use situational. But as it is now, scanners are to strong, counter scout easily and LR is out performed by RR. I still think MD is fine because it as a AOE weapon and has potential to change the tide of the fight if used correctly. Not Quite, unless you are running in a squad with 5 rifles its too situauational to be useful. People aren't afraid of it, it isn't useful when the corridor you are lobbing rounds down has more than 1 rifle aware of your presence. Ut is litteraly only good for hitting behind cover. You kinda have a point. But I run only flux on all my suit and I run scanner and nano hives on MD suits. I mainly use it to suppress and scatter the enemy and when it is in a inclosed area. I don't use it in the open area unless I have to but that is dumb and will only get murdered by better weapons.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 366	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:59:00 - [80] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Instead of viable use situational. The MD is "situational" in that when certain circumstances are met it has the potential to be only slightly worse than a rifle. Anything the MD excells at a rifle does faster, and a dedicated grenadier does better.. There is no point in suppressing a conga line for 20 seconds when you can mow them down in 10.

Sentient Archon 1443	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:03:00 - [81] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Instead of viable use situational. The MD is "situational" in that when certain circumstances are met it has the potential to be only slightly worse than a rifle. Anything the MD excells at a rifle does faster, and a dedicated grenadier does better.. There is no point in suppressing a conga line for 20 seconds when you can mow them down in 10. LOL OK! What is better to take out a heavy having 2 logis on him in a logi triangle? A flux nade with MD or a RR or for that matter any other weapon. PS: Regnyum is excluded because he is OP. Nerf Regnyum! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 366	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:09:00 - [82] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: What is better to take out a heavy having 2 logis on him in a logi triangle? A Rail Rifle.
Sentient Archon 1443	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:11:00 - [83] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: What is better to take out a heavy having 2 logis on him in a logi triangle? A Rail Rifle. Sure thing LMFAO! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:53:00 - [84] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit. Having the skills unlocked does not necessarily mean you are skilled at the weapon. If there are people out there doing very well with the mass driver, and you're not, then part of the problem is you rather than the mass driver. Go seek this rug, learn his ways. It might be part of the problem, but when the majority of those using MD have trouble using it effectively but no trouble using RR or CR's effectively, despite preferring the MD, then the issue seems to be with the equipment, not the users.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 66	Posted - 2014.01.27 17:07:00 - [85] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Saunders still bullshitting that the RR is better than the CR smdh MD might have not changed but the fact is that there the maps are largely made for clear LOS fighting, so a shooter is going to be much more appropriate in the game than a trajectory weapon. Factor in all the nonsense about hitboxes and whatnot and its clearly going to be behind in the weapon of choice stakes. MD should get a huge buff against armor, like the plasma cannon needs, so it could maybe fill a much needed niche of a weapon that is effective against both infrantry and HAV but superlative against neither. Dust could use some kinda cover system as well, so that using grenades and MD/FL would be useful in a scenario other than blind firing into mobs of enemies. cr and rr still need a nerf -_-. rr to much dm for its range cr needs a nerf on its dmg (Just dont over do these ccp we dont need a bunch of weapons joining the flaylock pistol. Caldari Loyalist
Mortedeamor 1302	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:05:00 - [86] - Quote you said the lr is up..well you and all of those that say that will feel my wrath come at me and get incinerated infidels +1 for IWS to stay as cpm more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quiet irritating
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6234	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:24:00 - [87] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: you said the lr is up..well you and all of those that say that will feel my wrath come at me and get incinerated infidels Good call. The laser still is the embodiment of Gods Fury. In fact 3 lasers vs enemy scum in an ambush match just laid waste to enemies trying to take cover. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Mortedeamor 1303	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:28:00 - [88] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: you said the lr is up..well you and all of those that say that will feel my wrath come at me and get incinerated infidels Good call. The laser still is the embodiment of Gods Fury. In fact 3 lasers vs enemy scum in an ambush match just laid waste to enemies trying to take cover. i dropped in in thhe last half of a match where it was a rr fest and snipe fest on manus peak ran 36/2 standard amar assault like a god..my lr still has the touch of death..only the best will get me 1v1..normally rails have to gang up 5 v1 to kill me max range or get me in cqc in the area they should be able to fight in either +1 for IWS to stay as cpm more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quiet irritating
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6235	Posted - 2014.01.27 23:33:00 - [89] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: you said the lr is up..well you and all of those that say that will feel my wrath come at me and get incinerated infidels Good call. The laser still is the embodiment of Gods Fury. In fact 3 lasers vs enemy scum in an ambush match just laid waste to enemies trying to take cover. i dropped in in thhe last half of a match where it was a rr fest and snipe fest on manus peak ran 36/2 standard amar assault like a god..my lr still has the touch of death..only the best will get me 1v1..normally rails have to gang up 5 v1 to kill me max range or get me in cqc in the area they should be able to fight in either I get good games when I play with my good luck charm. 24/2 etc...and that's trying to run the commando. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Brian LaFleur RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 4	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:33:00 - [90] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Brian LaFleur wrote: MassiveNine wrote: There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit. Having the skills unlocked does not necessarily mean you are skilled at the weapon. If there are people out there doing very well with the mass driver, and you're not, then part of the problem is you rather than the mass driver. Go seek this rug, learn his ways. Judging by this thread, I'm not the only one. So I guess all of us who've been using it since forever just suck, right? Typical rifle-user response, that is.



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