The MD is still great. Just not a stand alone weapon like it use to be. this might be for the best.

yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :(

This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me.

Couldn't agree more.

Thats wat I gather from the new EP. Wants to make dust a FagField4 clone. Do wat brings money amirite?

Waits for blueposts.

Waits for blueposts.

In a mass driver thread, you will be waiting a long time.

Edit remember when they nerfed the MD incase it became too OP when fixed due to an in office game where they decided that one game was better for determining the stats than months of feedback/data gathering? Yeah I remember an MD thread then about why nerf it before it works reaching 15-16 pages and no blue posts (+ similar for other weapons to be fair.). They may look at these kinds of threads (and hopefully listen) but a dev post in threads like these are few and far between, although to be fair they seem to be getting better at communicating with us lately. Also Mr IWS where is the concept art for the new suits I remember in one thread you said you had seen them and they looked great but we weren't getting to see them till they were exactly what they looked like in game allot of people said they would like concept art so you know pretty please go pester an artist for us.

Oh.. I have a funny feeling I wouldn't have to wait long for either weapon.

The flaylock was touched the MD wasnt, surely this is an indicator of the fact that actually the RR and CR are too versitile. They has no clear disadvantages, the CR lesd so because of its short range.

Anyone else noticed the old MD glitches returning, when using it yesterday the smoke trail would land in spot A yet the explosion would occur 10m away in spot B (old bug fixed but seems to come back from time to time albeit more rare.) No hitmarkers pretty self explanitory some times they are there some times they are not and even more fun sometimes if you hit a red it comes up as if your hitting a friendly, fire... nothing happens ammo count doesn't change then half a second later it fires, invisible rounds.

All weapons have their bugs (rail rifle phantom firing for example) but couple these bugs on a weapon with a very low DPS then give all heavies a 25% resistance to said weapon plus add in the nanohive nerf to an already nanite hungry weapon and I can see MD use becoming pretty much nil besides a few dedicated massholes.

RR is "versatile" because the its easy to take advantage of open spaces far more than it is to take advantage of close quarters situations.

however RR has a major disadvantage with its charge up delay in close quarters. if you can figure out the "trick" then suddenly RR close up can turn into an easy kill.

I mean LOL

50m may be the effective range but it isn't supposed to be used out in an open area killing rifle users or HMG users 50m away xD

I've shot enemies from 50m away on a rooftop guarding a point from a group of enemies trying to break through and hack the point ... that is area denial .. that is the purpose of a MD ... situational ... if your going toe to toe with any rifle user or HMG user in the open then your going to die and you should die ...

I have max mass driver proficiency .. max AR proficiency .. max RR proficiency and I don;t just use 1 weapon all the time I switch and change according to what I believe is required in that given situation ...

In that match I mentioned I had been using the AR as it was a compound match and I didn;t require the extra range of the RR but we lost the point and it was well defended and the enemies were all bunched up around the point defending the 2 entrances so instead of trying to rush in with an AR and get slaughtered I took a position above them and shot down into the room using the trajectory of the weapon which meant they couldn't hit me .. this forced the enemy further back into the room and allowed the other infantry to jump down and take up a closer position and push them further into a corner and eventually we took out the rest of their uplinks and pushed them out of the room

The MD is a beast in the right situation especially in domination .. my AR and RR couldn't have helped us win that game like the Mass Driver did

As for your point about 1.8 .. I have no idea what it's going to be like .. because we don't have any details about whats happening in 1.8 but I will say this .. lets wait and actually see what they are like in 1.8 before we start calling for changes to it

I love the Mass Driver and right now there is nothing wrong with it ... try using a proto suit, proto mass driver 3 complex damage mods and shooting into an enclosed area full of enemies and you'll understand what i'm getting at .. it doesn't need a buff it is fine as it is .. it fills its niche perfectly

The only way to kill efficiently with the mass driver now is to use grenades.

Find an enemy, cook grenade, let go when you hear the beep, start spamming mass driver rounds til they're dead.

It doesn't kill very fast, but it does hit people around corners.

DFA the mass driver but mass drivers are not supposed to be artillery support.

It's an explosive ordnance. A hand grenade kills. Remote explosives can kill tanks. The mass driver gets the user killed.

Dust already suffers from being way too generic

Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ...

Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC

Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche

PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing

Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ...

Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC

Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche

PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing

Any blue tags on the horizon? Surely CCP you must have kill stats for the 4 rifles and compare that to the MD kill stats. Surely theres a difference on number of kills each.

You must be able to see that the RR and CR kill faster than other weapons. It really bugs me when you guys dont seem to see what the majority are seeing.

Well yea. The mass driver is pretty irrelevant at the moment mostly due to how well the RR and CR had become, I did not see that at the the time and had speced into the RR day one only to realize later on how effective it was. Although I would argue the Mass Driver still outperforms the Laser Rifle anyway and you can get some good kills with it...but not really worth it when it compared to the current rifles.

I am sure the LR is being looked at on how it can be improved but my time with the RR has had me wondering if the MD itself needs some rebalancing. The MD's ammo capacity is outdated in light of the nano hive changes in 1.8. It also could probably help if they played up the main strength of the weapon and increased the splash radius across the base and assault versions. Also...Remove the weapon sight on the MD, it is useless, a distraction and I achieve better kills without using it at all.