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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:06:00 -
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Forgot to mention the ridiculous reload speed in addition to all the other deficiencies. I've got everything but the pg buff at 5 on MD and even with 4 complex damage mods it's a joke of a weapon in all but the most rare of circumstances. Even with the proposed (and trivial) 2% bonus the minmatar commando suit gives it, I don't see MD having any regular usuage on Rifle 514. I highly doubt I'll respec into it after 1.8. CCP builds the game according to popular opinion, not to make it a truly competitive FPS. It took them 10 years to get EVE even moderately successful. I expect DUST will fair little better....
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:19:00 -
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Oh, and let's not forget the odd suicide in pub matches because a teammate stepped into your line of fire.... So much potential.... alas, CCP has turned a blind eye to the plight of the Mass Driver. Will the Jove Gods hear our pleas? Not likely..... |
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:35:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Munin-Frey wrote:C Saunders wrote:I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say.
Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range.
The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more.
The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands.
Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air.
I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Couldn't agree more. Thats wat I gather from the new EP. Wants to make dust a FagField4 clone. Do wat brings money amirite?
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Posted - 2014.01.22 11:14:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Anyone else noticed the old MD glitches returning, when using it yesterday the smoke trail would land in spot A yet the explosion would occur 10m away in spot B (old bug fixed but seems to come back from time to time albeit more rare.) No hitmarkers pretty self explanitory some times they are there some times they are not and even more fun sometimes if you hit a red it comes up as if your hitting a friendly, fire... nothing happens ammo count doesn't change then half a second later it fires, invisible rounds.
All weapons have their bugs (rail rifle phantom firing for example) but couple these bugs on a weapon with a very low DPS then give all heavies a 25% resistance to said weapon plus add in the nanohive nerf to an already nanite hungry weapon and I can see MD use becoming pretty much nil besides a few dedicated massholes.
Yup. Misfires and not rendering being the worst of them. |
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Posted - 2014.01.22 11:44:00 -
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Zerus Ni'Kator wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Zerus Ni'Kator wrote:C Saunders wrote:I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say.
Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range.
The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more.
The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands.
Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air.
I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. Sorry but I used the mass driver a couple of games ago when enemy were defending the objective underground in domination and I just rapid fired using 3 x different nanohives to deny the enemy a way out of the room and destroyed equipment and we eventually pushed them put of their ... Mass Driver is a situational weapon if your trying to use it like a rifle in mid ranged combat then your doing it wrong ..MD aren't supposed to be killing people from 50m away ... it's like complaining that your sniper rifle can't kill people in CQC Seriously as an area denial weapon in compounds it is the best weapon out there don't compare it to the clearly broken Laser Rifle .. that is useless even when it is performing it's niche PS Comparing the CR and the MD is silly .. the CR doesn't perform the same job as a MD .. it doesn't have splash damage for 1 thing Aim Assist is the splash damage. And what are you talking about, if you're not suppose to use the standard MD at 50 meters, where are you suppose to use it? 50 meters is the optimal range for the weapon. Assault can be used farther but forget scaring anyone away immediately, especially in 1.8. And destroying EQ is the reason to use it? A flux Nade could have done the same thing while taking out the opponent's shield; then you can finish them off with a Rifle. I mean LOL 50m may be the effective range but it isn't supposed to be used out in an open area killing rifle users or HMG users 50m away xD I've shot enemies from 50m away on a rooftop guarding a point from a group of enemies trying to break through and hack the point ... that is area denial .. that is the purpose of a MD ... situational ... if your going toe to toe with any rifle user or HMG user in the open then your going to die and you should die ... I have max mass driver proficiency .. max AR proficiency .. max RR proficiency and I don;t just use 1 weapon all the time I switch and change according to what I believe is required in that given situation ... In that match I mentioned I had been using the AR as it was a compound match and I didn;t require the extra range of the RR but we lost the point and it was well defended and the enemies were all bunched up around the point defending the 2 entrances so instead of trying to rush in with an AR and get slaughtered I took a position above them and shot down into the room using the trajectory of the weapon which meant they couldn't hit me .. this forced the enemy further back into the room and allowed the other infantry to jump down and take up a closer position and push them further into a corner and eventually we took out the rest of their uplinks and pushed them out of the room The MD is a beast in the right situation especially in domination .. my AR and RR couldn't have helped us win that game like the Mass Driver did As for your point about 1.8 .. I have no idea what it's going to be like .. because we don't have any details about whats happening in 1.8 but I will say this .. lets wait and actually see what they are like in 1.8 before we start calling for changes to it I love the Mass Driver and right now there is nothing wrong with it ... try using a proto suit, proto mass driver 3 complex damage mods and shooting into an enclosed area full of enemies and you'll understand what i'm getting at .. it doesn't need a buff it is fine as it is .. it fills its niche perfectly
Who says it isn't? I've blown up Soma's with it before. The point is it and the plasma cannon are the most useless weapons in the game. Fills it's niche perfectly? LOL It's supposed be a breach weapon too. With max proficiency and 4 complex damage mods it's STILL fails at getting any respect from the enemy. It's HIGHLY dependent on nano hives, has the highest TTK leagues above any other weapon. To compare it to a sniper rifle is intellectually dishonest. MD is supposed to be a breaching weapon, ie: frontline/ point weapon. Even with TTK as it is now, the MD doesn't benefit from it. Apparently you think it should be Rifle 514. What we're saying is if one weapon has it's role, they all should have equal utility. Otherwise, why have such a variety of weapons if only 2-3 have any real versatility? It stagnates the game when everyone's using the flavor of the month weapon. As it is, I'd just assuming stand up high on a nanohive and chunk core locus down into an area as that would be far more effective than a mass driver. |
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:The only way to kill efficiently with the mass driver now is to use grenades.
Find an enemy, cook grenade, let go when you hear the beep, start spamming mass driver rounds til they're dead.
It doesn't kill very fast, but it does hit people around corners. DFA the mass driver but mass drivers are not supposed to be artillery support.
It's an explosive ordnance. A hand grenade kills. Remote explosives can kill tanks. The mass driver gets the user killed. |
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Posted - 2014.01.23 22:46:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Any blue tags on the horizon? Surely CCP you must have kill stats for the 4 rifles and compare that to the MD kill stats. Surely theres a difference on number of kills each.
You must be able to see that the RR and CR kill faster than other weapons. It really bugs me when you guys dont seem to see what the majority are seeing.
I don't think they care much, tbh. The majority of people are perfectly ok with flavor of the month weapons (rifles). It's just more work for them and they have so much to do already I doubt even if they care it'd be a high priority. It's unfortunate, but that seems to be the reality we're facing. |
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:30:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:Well yea. The mass driver is pretty irrelevant at the moment mostly due to how well the RR and CR had become, I did not see that at the the time and had speced into the RR day one only to realize later on how effective it was. Although I would argue the Mass Driver still outperforms the Laser Rifle anyway and you can get some good kills with it...but not really worth it when it compared to the current rifles.
I am sure the LR is being looked at on how it can be improved but my time with the RR has had me wondering if the MD itself needs some rebalancing. The MD's ammo capacity is outdated in light of the nano hive changes in 1.8. It also could probably help if they played up the main strength of the weapon and increased the splash radius across the base and assault versions. Also...Remove the weapon sight on the MD, it is useless, a distraction and I achieve better kills without using it at all.
I'd say leave the sight. It's how I measure distance. |
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:37:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Munin-Frey wrote:C Saunders wrote:I have maxed out the mass driver at 5 and was happily using it until a couple weeks after 1.7 hit. Why are you still not using it, it hasnt been touched. You say.
Rail rifles and combat rifles arrived. Now theres nothing hugely wrong with these guns. They shoot and they kill. Thats the problem, they do it too fast. The rail rifle more so with its range.
The mass driver used to be a good area denial weapon and it still is, but its only that and nothing more.
The thing is because of the CR & RRs large damage output the mass driver can no longer win regardless of skill. At 50m the MD could happily take down an enemy in a stand-off. Now though its a different story. A RR will mow you down before your first round lands.
Now, the combat rifle has about the same range as a mass driver the only difference is one has an arc the other doesnt, by the time that round reaches the CR user that user can output the same amount of damage whilr your rounds still in the air.
I'm going to summerise that basically the MD is now not so versatile like it used to be and is now a highly situational weapon just like the laser rifle. CCP please let each weapon have advantages and disadvantages but not have a clear superior. yes, the PLC is in the same situation. At least your's fires without any delay. Not only am I dead before my shot would land but I'm dead before the shot even gets fired. :( This game used to offer more variety but it's getting very CoD/BF4. Everyone uses the win gun and you kill your opponent if you start shooting first. Not too fun to me. Of course everybody is going to use the best equipment. When you die in this game it matters. If you lose 10 proto suits in a row it matters. Crappy things are a waste of your time and that translates into a negative amount of ISK.
You're right, but is that the kind of game you want: no diversity, everybody running the same gear, items in the market nobody uses. Yes, it makes sense to use the win gun, but it makes more sense when no one weapon has any dominance over any other.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 23:55:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways.
Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit. |
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Posted - 2014.01.24 00:01:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:MassiveNine wrote:There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. He shamed my buddy and me when he joined our squad, earns his own OB, and got 32 kills.....and we were ******* around tank wrestling and make crappy bane impressions. But yeah he's OP nerf him.
I appreciate the humor guys, but please, in all seriousness, the MD is a joke. |
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Posted - 2014.01.27 14:28:00 -
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Here's a question: how many people think there should be stand alone variants other then some sort of rifle? |
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:33:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Brian LaFleur wrote:MassiveNine wrote:There's this merc, let's just call him rug. he makes the mass driver look OP. Seek him. Learn his ways. Bro I've got maxed prof, reload speed, and ammo capacity, four complex damage mods and over 9 months experience with it. I know it's 'ways' as good as any other. It's a joke vs anything proto except maybe a scout suit. Having the skills unlocked does not necessarily mean you are skilled at the weapon. If there are people out there doing very well with the mass driver, and you're not, then part of the problem is you rather than the mass driver. Go seek this rug, learn his ways. 
Judging by this thread, I'm not the only one. So I guess all of us who've been using it since forever just suck, right? Typical rifle-user response, that is. |
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